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Post by homerj on Apr 5, 2022 9:36:47 GMT
a key item going forward now is because Mayo went 1 v 1 on David, no other team will do this and he will be double marked. we need to ensure we have a plan where others step up and take the heat off him.
the focus on his is him going forward will be huge. i know its only the league but delighted for Jason, Morley and Paul G - they have had fantastic years so far and have answered alot of critics.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 5, 2022 9:50:57 GMT
Looking at Gavin White's concussion again, makes me realise what a filthy, cowardly strike it was by Ryan O'Donoghue. He had no intention or possibility of touching the ball so he used it as a free opportunity to just swing a closed fist at Gavin White's head and it could have done a lot of damage. Should have been a straight red card. I don't know... I think he was going for the ball fair and square. It is just the case that Gavin White is rapid. He threw a punch that connected with Gavin White's head, the ball was about 2 feet away. Malice and intent don't come into it, if you connect with a player's head with a closed fist it's a red card. Similar to Neil Flynn's red card for Kildare against Kerry in the Super 8 in 2018. Killian Young was going down on the ball and Flynn threw a fist in recklessly, like O'Donoghue, hoping to get the ball but reckless enough that he didn't care what he connected with and ended up connecting with Killian Young's head and deservedly got a red card.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2022 9:52:19 GMT
One thing for sure after yesterday - one back on his own will not be tasked with marking David. From now on, expect the sweeper to be sitting directly in front of him the whole game. With this in mind, I hope that Jack & co come up with a plan B, while still maintaining the quick foot pass into the forward area - but not necessarily into David. The fast ball is critical to our game - the sideways hand-passing plays (literally) into the oppositions hands. Who is our next best ball-winner in FF line, assuming David will be attracting the extra cover? A side-point - it is really dis-respectful to say things like the second 15 is the second best team in the country. Against Tyrone or Dublin in white heat of championship it simply wont happen that he will collect a pass 45 yards from goal, turn and have an acre of space to bear down on goal. Whats far more like to happen is that he will be surrounded by a swarm of opposing defenders so others may have to be clinical in taking their chances. David will contribute a few scores as only he can but there will need to be a spread of scorers.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2022 9:56:07 GMT
A side-point - it is really dis-respectful to say things like the second 15 is the second best team in the country. The hype train on on its way driven mainly by those who were totally against the appointment of Jack. How ironic is that.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 5, 2022 9:59:28 GMT
While Mayo were skewered by Kerry there are a number of tweaks needed. Paudie may need to look at taking his points when one on one. Dara wasn't at his best in the first half but upped his game in the second. I'm worried that Jack will pick up another black and miss a more important game later in the championship. Burns' temperament is a worry, the game was over and he could have easily received a black after just coming on. While I can't fault his dedication, he could be minimising his chances of getting picked if Jack thinks he is a liability.
Jason and Tadhg are a solid pairing as the spine of defence. Jason is my pick for the player of the league. I can't believe I'm saying this but Murphy may not be able to break back into that half back line. Ryan I'd say is the pick going forward this campaign in goal but I'm not opposed to the rotation in next season's league to have every spot challenged for.
Great to see David and Seánie named again in the panel.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 5, 2022 10:15:23 GMT
I'd say it was a bit of hubris (porter and kerry winning ) re the 2nd 15 comment ! Jack has done the right thing with this league though played as good a team as he can in everygame and made improvements across the board. Most of it has been by improving the defence structure and that is plain for everyone to see. Players who have really impressed or improved are 1.foley-as good a fb as there is out there 2.Morley- Totally rejeuventated at 6 3. Beaglaoich- as above at wb (We have as quick and dangerous a hb as anyone now) 4.Diarmuid o connor- the pace and athletism is off the charts 5.a few other lads like tony brosnan Dan donoghue graham o Sullivan and Adrian spillane have put their hands up and shown that they are viable options come the summer.
We have good backup in nearly every position now obviously not as good as some of the starters ie if David, seanie , Tom sull Morley , foley or Diarmuid are out the replacements while good are not quite to the level of the aforementioned. The big worry for me is that the momentum built up may wain over the next 2 months realisticly our next massive challenge could be the weekend of the 25/26th of June in a quarter final thats in 80 days time a massive gap !
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 5, 2022 10:20:16 GMT
It's all set up for a massive disappointment. It is the hope thay kills.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 10:42:10 GMT
a key item going forward now is because Mayo went 1 v 1 on David, no other team will do this and he will be double marked. we need to ensure we have a plan where others step up and take the heat off him. the focus on his is him going forward will be huge. i know its only the league but delighted for Jason, Morley and Paul G - they have had fantastic years so far and have answered alot of critics. that's true and fellas will take turns in fouling him but I'd say he's well used to that.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2022 10:47:52 GMT
It's all set up for a massive disappointment. It is the hope thay kills. It will only be a disappointment if expectations are not realistic. The vast majority of Kerry fans are shrewd out. Mayo tried a lot harder in Tralee than last Sunday. This to me means that they wanted to stay in Division 1 more than actually winning the league final. I wish Lee Keegan had grabbed even one jersey last Sunday. It troubles me that he didnt!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 10:48:48 GMT
Well deserved win. Very good team performance, but what can you say about David Clifford that hasn’t been said already? I don’t really have the right words to describe his performance yesterday. I suppose the only thing I can say is, watching him brings you back to being a child, filled with excitement, watching your favourite player in action. Thank you Ard Mhacha for your kind words. Yes indeed David is a special talent and we so lucky to have him. I think there is even more in him. Players like that are great to watch for the neutrals too. Your own Jamie Clarke was one of those I loved watching. Ya Jamie Clarke was a class forward as was Michael Meehan both brilliant to watch as a neutral.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 5, 2022 10:54:41 GMT
While Mayo were skewered by Kerry there are a number of tweaks needed. Paudie may need to look at taking his points when one on one. Dara wasn't at his best in the first half but upped his game in the second. I'm worried that Jack will pick up another black and miss a more important game later in the championship. Burns' temperament is a worry, the game was over and he could have easily received a black after just coming on. While I can't fault his dedication, he could be minimising his chances of getting picked if Jack thinks he is a liability. Jason and Tadhg are a solid pairing as the spine of defence. Jason is my pick for the player of the league. I can't believe I'm saying this but Murphy may not be able to break back into that half back line. Ryan I'd say is the pick going forward this campaign in goal but I'm not opposed to the rotation in next season's league to have every spot challenged for. Great to see David and Seánie named again in the panel. I think a lot of things worked in burns favour: The game wasn’t really tight We had already had a contentious black card, and He was just on. Because it was a clear as day black card, an incredibly stupid decision by Burns
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 5, 2022 11:10:50 GMT
a key item going forward now is because Mayo went 1 v 1 on David, no other team will do this and he will be double marked. we need to ensure we have a plan where others step up and take the heat off him. the focus on his is him going forward will be huge. i know its only the league but delighted for Jason, Morley and Paul G - they have had fantastic years so far and have answered alot of critics. It's not even one v one marking on David. The last two games against Tyrone and Mayo have shown every other team in the country how to set up against Kerry and how not to set up against Kerry. Tyrone gave a masterclass in how to stiffle Kerry inside in Fitzgerald Park - sweeper plus men back to congest the space being very balanced and composed in terms of committing men forward to attack. Invite Kerry on to attack as much as possible and they hit on the break with quick kicked ball out of defence. Disrupt and slow down the play as much as possible [don't allow any free kick to be taken quickly/ bring on the physio every single opportunity] so there was no chance Kerry could build any sort of momentum. I'd say their approach was pretty much identical to the semi-final last year. Mayo by comparison set themselves with no sweeper, went man-to-man, were constantly running the ball out of defence [which meant that there half-backs left acres of space to work in/ allowed Kerry time to set their defensive structure] Combine this with a poor level of effort throughout the Mayo team and I'm struggling to think of what else they could have done worse in terms of the way they set up. No sane team is going to set up like this against Kerry in the championship. The Tyrone game is much more relevant in terms of Kerry's All-Ireland chances.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2022 11:48:35 GMT
a key item going forward now is because Mayo went 1 v 1 on David, no other team will do this and he will be double marked. we need to ensure we have a plan where others step up and take the heat off him. the focus on his is him going forward will be huge. i know its only the league but delighted for Jason, Morley and Paul G - they have had fantastic years so far and have answered alot of critics. It's not even one v one marking on David. The last two games against Tyrone and Mayo have shown every other team in the country how to set up against Kerry and how not to set up against Kerry. Tyrone gave a masterclass in how to stiffle Kerry inside in Fitzgerald Park - sweeper plus men back to congest the space being very balanced and composed in terms of committing men forward to attack. Invite Kerry on to attack as much as possible and they hit on the break with quick kicked ball out of defence. Disrupt and slow down the play as much as possible [don't allow any free kick to be taken quickly/ bring on the physio every single opportunity] so there was no chance Kerry could build any sort of momentum. I'd say their approach was pretty much identical to the semi-final last year. Mayo by comparison set themselves with no sweeper, went man-to-man, were constantly running the ball out of defence [which meant that there half-backs left acres of space to work in/ allowed Kerry time to set their defensive structure] Combine this with a poor level of effort throughout the Mayo team and I'm struggling to think of what else they could have done worse in terms of the way they set up. No sane team is going to set up like this against Kerry in the championship. The Tyrone game is much more relevant in terms of Kerry's All-Ireland chances. 100% agree
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Post by brucewayne on Apr 5, 2022 12:31:44 GMT
a key item going forward now is because Mayo went 1 v 1 on David, no other team will do this and he will be double marked. we need to ensure we have a plan where others step up and take the heat off him. the focus on his is him going forward will be huge. i know its only the league but delighted for Jason, Morley and Paul G - they have had fantastic years so far and have answered alot of critics. It's not even one v one marking on David. The last two games against Tyrone and Mayo have shown every other team in the country how to set up against Kerry and how not to set up against Kerry. Tyrone gave a masterclass in how to stiffle Kerry inside in Fitzgerald Park - sweeper plus men back to congest the space being very balanced and composed in terms of committing men forward to attack. Invite Kerry on to attack as much as possible and they hit on the break with quick kicked ball out of defence. Disrupt and slow down the play as much as possible [don't allow any free kick to be taken quickly/ bring on the physio every single opportunity] so there was no chance Kerry could build any sort of momentum. I'd say their approach was pretty much identical to the semi-final last year. Mayo by comparison set themselves with no sweeper, went man-to-man, were constantly running the ball out of defence [which meant that there half-backs left acres of space to work in/ allowed Kerry time to set their defensive structure] Combine this with a poor level of effort throughout the Mayo team and I'm struggling to think of what else they could have done worse in terms of the way they set up. No sane team is going to set up like this against Kerry in the championship. The Tyrone game is much more relevant in terms of Kerry's All-Ireland chances. In the event that the lads make it to the big day and we are faced with Tyrone, will we be in for an exhibition of cagey, fun free football similar to the 2014 final in order to win?
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 5, 2022 12:49:35 GMT
The Mayo positional set up in Tralee and their set up last Sunday was totally different. Why? they had a good bit of success in Tralee, ok admittedly, Tralee is a tighter compared to the vast spaces of Croke Park and the weather was not contusive to fast ball in Tralee.
But still, their game play was off. Why did they not revert or change at HT or even before that.
I'm thinking that Mayo, although wanted a win were keeping some powder dry.
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Post by john4 on Apr 5, 2022 13:03:24 GMT
I'm getting the impression, now that the dust is finally settling down after Sunday and there now seems to be a fairly strong universal view that Mayo were not going 100% the last day.
I think they've more than that.
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Post by augustafield on Apr 5, 2022 13:08:49 GMT
Regarding Jo90's post concerning the incident with Mayo's O'Donoghue and Gavin White I could'nt agree more and those on the Forum here excusing O'Donoghue are wrong.
I would suggest they take a close look at the tape again and they will clearly see that O'Donoghue made no effort to play the ball - he clearly clouted White . In another life O'Donoghue was an accomplished boxer and he brought that experience to bear on White.
It was a cowardly not to mention dangerous incident and the resultant goal was the Referee's reason for keeping his cards in his pocket.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 5, 2022 13:13:25 GMT
I'd say Dooher and Logan stay up all night reading what Ballyfireside is saying! BTW What does '% play' mean, I've heard of '% rugby'? Maybe a secret, now we don't want Tyrone to know! Yes that's exactly what I meant by comment. We all need to watch what we say here. ^^sarcasm^^ No need to get smart when your hype based on beating a team that didn't give a crap is being called out. Even thinking that a Kerry 2nd string is even close to the top teams in the country is farcical. And to answer your question a percentage play is a play/pass/shot where the odds of retaining possession or scoring are firmly in your favour. No 50/50 balls or pot shots. Sarcasm on here, never! Jazus a man can't feel good about a win but the cancel culture and thought police are out! I would contend that we outplayed Mayo and didn't give them a chance to find their Mojo, their Mayojo on the day, and while both teams were missing players we could have won by more and porter has nil to do with my heartfelt comments. Yes I wasn't a fan of Jacks but that's when Jack wasn't a fan of Paddy Tally technology. If anyone reads my comments you could be forgiven for thinking I was paranoid re Tyrone - I said somewhere that it is more Dooher and Logan than Tyrone that could win Sam, i.e. it was tactical decisions that cost us in 2021 and indeed 2020, and a few more if you think back - it is always the best managed team that wins, just look at what happened Dublin. When was the last time a poor manager prevailed and that applies across all codes? Think back to Dwyer and then custodians that didn't cut it. Murphy's influence is an interesting scenario here in Donegal, he is a driving force off as well as on the field - I had him as a No 14 in his sunset years and a shoe-in as the next manager, the only issue is that he may be too powerful and we all know what absolute power means, still I don't hear too many complaints but that isn't always an accurate barometer either. As for comments re funding, sponsoring Kerry GAA is probably the most profitable such exercise - the issue I have is the shortage of tickets, someone said you'd need to have 2 tractors to be in for a shout and all sponsors get an allocation for their customers, prawn sandwich brigade, etc while genuine supporters are alienated yet again. I have a feeling GAA sponsorship will go down the crowd-funding route and then the naming rights will be on the open market and that will close the gap with the Dubs in this respect as HQ are committed to a level playing field here. It will also mean a fairer distribution of tickets and hopefully there will be plenty of occasions where the heart of the GAA is on the stands on the big days, not looking in the neighbours window or having to do with 'a picture but no sound, i.e. a language few understand', ah sure there's always Radio Kerry - in fact I know a few who are partial to using the airwaves, sure they'd even take to the altar, that is until they were taken from the altar. And of course I should also congratulate Listowel's Nero hero Robert Pierse on his recent publication 'Under The Mattress' and anyone who read it will sense the unmistakeable sentiment in each and every page, I could nearly feel myself getting sunburn on that cold dark night! Funny or not but isn't the calendar so busy in the 'Where Stories Begin'/literary capital that another latchico published a book the same day, basically a compilation of receipts of transactions down the years in our market town - maybe, now only maybe, in the sister publication 'Snapshots of an Irish Market Town' there might be a photo of what was really under the mattress, and who was and wasn't under the bed. You see didn't the night 'under the bed' coincided with me having hay down in the patch of ground next to the bed so I can recall the weather hour by hour and well 'twas the best golden crackling hay we ever saved! As regards our 2nd 15, well comments on here have made a case for each of them making the 1st 15 - they would beat any of the chasing pack teams and am I right in saying our 2nd string was seldom better? BTW that's an interesting take on '% play', most interesting if you run the slide rule over say Cluxton, possession being key, i.e. no good having silky skill if the commoner hoor has the ball. Now what about '% comments' - did I acquit myself, surely more than 50%, I'd say I'd win any court case your honour, facts are facts!
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 5, 2022 13:23:03 GMT
Regarding Jo90's post concerning the incident with Mayo's O'Donoghue and Gavin White I could'nt agree more and those on the Forum here excusing O'Donoghue are wrong. I would suggest they take a close look at the tape again and they will clearly see that O'Donoghue made no effort to play the ball - he clearly clouted White . In another life O'Donoghue was an accomplished boxer and he brought that experience to bear on White. It was a cowardly not to mention dangerous incident and the resultant goal was the Referee's reason for keeping his cards in his pocket. O'Donoghue isn't a defender and you have to give him some leeway. I think it is a terrible but not malicious attempt for the ball, a desperation scramble on the line. Cowardly is too harsh a comment.
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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 5, 2022 13:47:16 GMT
Lads I'm inclined to agree, I don't think Ryan O'Donoghue went out to nail White, the ball was a deflected loop, Ryan a corner forward was the last line of defense, he had to change his body position to change direction, whereas, White was still in the same line, same stride. for me it was a clumsy attempt to deflect the ball, a looping ball.
I genuinely think there was nothing in it, ok White got a clatter for his troubles, but that's contact sport.
I don't think it was pre-meditated or untoward. No offense, but I think this avenue or slant on the thread is a bit crass. For me it was a nothing challenge and the ref got the call correct.
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Post by thehermit on Apr 5, 2022 13:47:51 GMT
Horse, Kingdomboy it seems the Dublin troll brigade from HS are missing us! Now that the Kerry forum there is long gone and I assume the Kerry presence on their main forum has dwindled hugely they have to go a bit further afield to find us!!
Thankfully the moderates here actually moderate so these lads will be kept in check, unlike the last place!!
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Post by thehermit on Apr 5, 2022 14:00:57 GMT
a key item going forward now is because Mayo went 1 v 1 on David, no other team will do this and he will be double marked. we need to ensure we have a plan where others step up and take the heat off him. the focus on his is him going forward will be huge. i know its only the league but delighted for Jason, Morley and Paul G - they have had fantastic years so far and have answered alot of critics. It's not even one v one marking on David. The last two games against Tyrone and Mayo have shown every other team in the country how to set up against Kerry and how not to set up against Kerry. Tyrone gave a masterclass in how to stiffle Kerry inside in Fitzgerald Park - sweeper plus men back to congest the space being very balanced and composed in terms of committing men forward to attack. Invite Kerry on to attack as much as possible and they hit on the break with quick kicked ball out of defence. Disrupt and slow down the play as much as possible [don't allow any free kick to be taken quickly/ bring on the physio every single opportunity] so there was no chance Kerry could build any sort of momentum. I'd say their approach was pretty much identical to the semi-final last year. Mayo by comparison set themselves with no sweeper, went man-to-man, were constantly running the ball out of defence [which meant that there half-backs left acres of space to work in/ allowed Kerry time to set their defensive structure] Combine this with a poor level of effort throughout the Mayo team and I'm struggling to think of what else they could have done worse in terms of the way they set up. No sane team is going to set up like this against Kerry in the championship. The Tyrone game is much more relevant in terms of Kerry's All-Ireland chances. Lads the Tyrone game was a nothing match for Kerry, I agree totally about not reading too too much into Mayo but people are guilty of also doing the exact same thing as regards the Tyrone result! Tyrone needed to win more in Killarney and they won. On Sunday Kerry needed/wanted to put in a big performance and end the League on a high and get momentum going into next month's Championship and they did all that. You can argue how much Mayo were up for it bit for me it would be bizarre if any team in a final didn't want to win the game. Galway is 3 weeks off, putting in a performance on Sunday would in no way have been detrimental to their preparations of Connacht. Yes I'm sure they left a few tricks up their sleeves in terms of going man to man etc but do you seriously think any team would want to suffer a 15 point beating in a national final, just before the Championship? It was different last year, there was no final and the Tyrone game was really just another round of the League that meant nothing to Tyrone as they couldn't win and weren't in danger of the drop either. For Mayo Sunday was a day when fellas should have been putting up their hand to tell Horan they can fill the gap left by their injured comrades and Horan must be seriously worried none of them did so. Yes Mayo will be a different animal if we meet them later in the summer, but a 15 point different animal? I'm no so sure if Kerry play to their potential again!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 5, 2022 14:10:41 GMT
Horse, Kingdomboy it seems the Dublin troll brigade from HS are missing us! Now that the Kerry forum there is long gone and I assume the Kerry presence on their main forum has dwindled hugely they have to go a bit further afield to find us!! Thankfully the moderates here actually moderate so these lads will be kept in check, unlike the last place!! kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/7231/immigrants-hogan-stand
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Post by hatchetman on Apr 5, 2022 14:14:48 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but Jordan Flynn suffered a Broken ankle and is probably gone for the championship.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2022 14:16:38 GMT
I said before the game that Mayo have gone back a good bit from 2016 and 2017. Even with all their players back i would expect Kerry to have too much for them now in the championship in a knockout game but maybe by 3 or 4 points.
I think Jack Savage has more about him than Burns against a massed defence set up that Tyrone have. I was surprised that Jack was taken off v Tyrone and Burns left on.
Jack knows the importance of switching the point of attack... how often did we see Ciaran Kilkenny do that with that lateral solo and awfully looking handpass....Jack does it with a footpass which is altogether more pleasing on the eye.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Apr 5, 2022 14:22:28 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but Jordan Flynn suffered a Broken ankle and is probably gone for the championship. Some loss. Mayo seem to have an injury list a mile long every year. Tommy Goals gone due to the combination of Sigerson Cup and Intercounty football. We played lads the same day and are lucky we didn't have a similar injury. I hope Jordan bounces back quickly, a credit to the game.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 5, 2022 14:36:35 GMT
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Post by dano on Apr 5, 2022 14:36:39 GMT
I hope the league final will have a positive effect on Kerry. Like '97 against Cork. That day provided some atonement for the loss to Mayo in the '96 semi and it set us up for an Allireland win. It'll be next to impossible for David clifford to have such a field day again and I believe Mayo were not up for this as much as kerry were. They were down a good few guys too. No need for hype and saying our A v B games will suffice as preparation for tough opposition. kerry haven't won anything yet, not the real prize that we all crave. The plus is that they have got into the habit of winning matches, they have unearthed a solid North Kerry full back, a natural #6 and a variety of forwards. Midfield might still be an issue but there are options with David Moran and Joe O Connor. They should win Munster, although I'm expecting (and hoping for) a tough game from Cork in PUR. It'll be better than any A v B game in Currans.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 5, 2022 14:36:41 GMT
Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but Jordan Flynn suffered a Broken ankle and is probably gone for the championship. That’s hard luck on Flynn - initially I thought it was his shoulder that was impacted but then saw him clutching his ankle area - big loss for Mayo.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 5, 2022 14:47:46 GMT
I hope the league final will have a positive effect on Kerry. Like '97 against Cork. That day provided some atonement for the loss to Mayo in the '96 semi and it set us up for an Allireland win. It'll be next to impossible for David clifford to have such a field day again and I believe Mayo were not up for this as much as kerry were. They were down a good few guys too. No need for hype and saying our A v B games will suffice as preparation for tough opposition. kerry haven't won anything yet, not the real prize that we all crave. The plus is that they have got into the habit of winning matches, they have unearthed a solid North Kerry full back, a natural #6 and a variety of forwards. Midfield might still be an issue but there are options with David Moran and Joe O Connor. They should win Munster, although I'm expecting (and hoping for) a tough game from Cork in PUR. It'll be better than any A v B game in Currans. A bit like saying Cork want to beat us more than our 2nd 15 want AI players' medals - maybe, maybe not? Ah nothing beats a local derby - but what about backs and forwards of our 1st 15 so, Foley on Clifford - that Foley dash for the goal wouldn't have him left in a cloud of dust like O'Hora anyway, still while David is Kerry strong I'd love to see the Ballydonoghoor having a go, damage limitation it is, he is unmarkable, lots of 'em are unmarkable but he is more unmarkable than anyone, in terms of the complete footballer, I can't se what he is missing. Remember that it is the best defenders he is dealing with and Jason is highly regarded, let's hire out a chopper for the next session in Currans, better than going into space!
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