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Post by horsebox77 on Apr 4, 2022 20:03:48 GMT
Off topic for this thread but all being fit it seems to me that 5 of the 6 starting backs yesterday are nailed on with only a corner back birth possibly up for grabs. Who do folks think is in poll position? I think we saw 14 of our starting fifteen yesterday the only change I see for a full strength fifteen is Seanie to the forty and Paudie to 15 with Stephen being included as a sub. That means when ave players like Casey, Crowley, Joe, Moran, Brosnan and Stephen to come off the bench.. impressive
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 4, 2022 20:05:57 GMT
Off topic for this thread but all being fit it seems to me that 5 of the 6 starting backs yesterday are nailed on with only a corner back birth possibly up for grabs. Who do folks think is in poll position? I would not look beyond Graham O’Sullivan - he has experience of playing in the full back line & did himself no harm yesterday. Dan O’Donoghue has done little wrong & it will be interesting to see who gets the nod come championship- I don’t see a return to No 2 for O’Beaglaoich as he will form half back line with White & Morley. O’ Sullivan for me.
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Post by fitz on Apr 4, 2022 21:08:52 GMT
Paudie Clifford-Messi, he made a big pitch for the centre forward position yesterday, unlucky that Seanie is in his way, I think he’s better centrally. He can run and spray in all angles
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 4, 2022 21:14:23 GMT
The 6 backs that started yesterday will surely start against Cork.
O'Donoghue is very unlucky but he along with Casey and Murphy and Crowley give us good strength in depth.
Likes others have said Seanie comes in at 11 and Paidi goes to 15.
Brosnan, OBrien, Spillane off the bench to see the game out.
Shane Ryan is number 1 and what a point he scored yesterday.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 4, 2022 21:16:24 GMT
Like Kilkenny of old, maybe the 2nd best team is our possibles, what with the competition for places? Let dispossessing DC/Jason be the benchmark for an aspiring defenders/attackers respectively. All aboard.... Choo Choo Tyrone will be delighted with this kind of talk. Ironic using a train as a metaphor considering Cork have been a train wreck for years.
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Post by carthalawn on Apr 4, 2022 21:25:58 GMT
I’m thought Kerry made full use of the big pitch yesterday both width and depth - they are playing the outside channel very cleverly / often with backs. First time we road tested the system on a big surface - worked very well, we have a large quota of footballers who are very comfortable carrying the ball and distributing. Is this the paciest kerry team in an age?
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Post by mossie on Apr 4, 2022 21:30:43 GMT
Paudie Clifford-Messi, he made a big pitch for the centre forward position yesterday, unlucky that Seanie is in his way, I think he’s better centrally. He can run and spray in all angles Clifford is superb at 11. what to do!!?? Would it be madness to leave Clifford at 11?!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 4, 2022 21:33:42 GMT
Like Kilkenny of old, maybe the 2nd best team is our possibles, what with the competition for places? Let dispossessing DC/Jason be the benchmark for an aspiring defenders/attackers respectively. All aboard.... Choo Choo Tyrone will be delighted with this kind of talk. Twas the 12th June in 2021 when Kerry put 6 goals past Tyrone and the hype only really started then in 2021. Tis only 3rd April now. The hype train is leaving the station early this year.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 4, 2022 21:37:53 GMT
2 main selection dilemmas are corner back and wing forward. It’s Graham O’Sullivan or Dan O’Donoghue for the number 2 jersey. Graham did well yesterday but is he 100% comfortable at corner back? Dan O’Donoghue was very impressive in the early parts of the league and is more of an out and out defender.
At wing forward it’s Dara Moynihan or Stephen O’Brien. Both have pros and cons and both are a good option as an impact player from the bench. Moynihan’s link play with the other forwards is better but O’Brien brings more physicality. O’Brien had a poor enough day yesterday but was excellent in the previous 2 games.
After that the team picks itself except for maybe midfield. Jack Barry’s role in the defence means he’s going to be in the starting 15 but I was a bit disappointed with Diarmuid O’Connor yesterday, I thought he’d a poor enough performance against Tyrone too. Now he’s still very likely to start but I think he needs to show a bit more. Moran’s best chance of coming back into the 15 is in Diarmuid’s place.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 4, 2022 21:41:23 GMT
Paudie Clifford-Messi, he made a big pitch for the centre forward position yesterday, unlucky that Seanie is in his way, I think he’s better centrally. He can run and spray in all angles Clifford is superb at 11. what to do!!?? Would it be madness to leave Clifford at 11?! Paudie is still very effective in the free corner forward role, personally I don’t see any difference in his performance levels between each position. When the intensity increases I think we will need Seanie’s physicality and presence at 11.
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Post by fitz on Apr 4, 2022 21:45:08 GMT
Anyone able to get a link/ video of game? TG4 player doesn’t seem to have put it up Found it 😳
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Post by fitz on Apr 4, 2022 21:47:02 GMT
Paudie Clifford-Messi, he made a big pitch for the centre forward position yesterday, unlucky that Seanie is in his way, I think he’s better centrally. He can run and spray in all angles Clifford is superb at 11. what to do!!?? Would it be madness to leave Clifford at 11?! I think Seanie has to play there, but Paudie would be wasted in the corner, needs to be in half line
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 21:47:49 GMT
2 main selection dilemmas are corner back and wing forward. It’s Graham O’Sullivan or Dan O’Donoghue for the number 2 jersey. Graham did well yesterday but is he 100% comfortable at corner back? Dan O’Donoghue was very impressive in the early parts of the league and is more of an out and out defender. At wing forward it’s Dara Moynihan or Stephen O’Brien. Both have pros and cons and both are a good option as an impact player from the bench. Moynihan’s link play with the other forwards is better but O’Brien brings more physicality. O’Brien had a poor enough day yesterday but was excellent in the previous 2 games. After that the team picks itself except for maybe midfield. Jack Barry’s role in the defence means he’s going to be in the starting 15 but I was a bit disappointed with Diarmuid O’Connor yesterday, I thought he’d a poor enough performance against Tyrone too. Now he’s still very likely to start but I think he needs to show a bit more. Moran’s best chance of coming back into the 15 is in Diarmuid’s place. Moynihan seems to have a telepathy with David Clifford, probably because of the school and East kerry and development squads and Paud obviously has a semilar sync as he's the older brother. Maybe play Seán O'Shea inside with David Clifford and leave Paud pull the strings?
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 4, 2022 22:05:19 GMT
Looking at Gavin White's concussion again, makes me realise what a filthy, cowardly strike it was by Ryan O'Donoghue. He had no intention or possibility of touching the ball so he used it as a free opportunity to just swing a closed fist at Gavin White's head and it could have done a lot of damage. Should have been a straight red card.
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Post by john4 on Apr 4, 2022 22:05:31 GMT
Clifford is superb at 11. what to do!!?? Would it be madness to leave Clifford at 11?! I think Seanie has to play there, but Paudie would be wasted in the corner, needs to be in half line Was also thinking about this. Is it mad to think that Paudie and Sean O'Shea are both 11's only, and possibly one or the other should only be on the field at any one time. Both played in the semi final last year and obviously it didn't go well. Tough to leave Paudie out of the team especially when he's such an outrageous 11 but if the contrary is counterproductive what do you do?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 4, 2022 22:12:18 GMT
Positions are very fluid at the best of times I don't see why Paidi couldn't move to 10 and play alongside Seanie.
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Post by mossie on Apr 4, 2022 22:14:39 GMT
I think Seanie has to play there, but Paudie would be wasted in the corner, needs to be in half line Was also thinking about this. Is it mad to think that Paudie and Sean O'Shea are both 11's only, and possibly one or the other should only be on the field at any one time. Both played in the semi final last year and obviously it didn't go well. Tough to leave Paudie out of the team especially when he's such an outrageous 11 but if the contrary is counterproductive what do you do? This one is certainly opening up debate! both will start but I think Paudie's best position is 11. He is good at wing and corner but superb at 11 Is Seanie at 10 and Paudie at 11 an option?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 4, 2022 22:15:03 GMT
I think Seanie has to play there, but Paudie would be wasted in the corner, needs to be in half line Was also thinking about this. Is it mad to think that Paudie and Sean O'Shea are both 11's only, and possibly one or the other should only be on the field at any one time. Both played in the semi final last year and obviously it didn't go well. Tough to leave Paudie out of the team especially when he's such an outrageous 11 but if the contrary is counterproductive what do you do? Last year against Tyrone Seanie played full forward with Paudie at 11. I completely disagree that they can’t play together. With the work rate our game plan requires from the 4 half forwards it’s not like they’re all always in their area of the field. Have Seanie starting at 11 and Paudie coming out from corner forward, both can take up central positions. They’re 2 brilliant players and we’re lucky to have both.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Apr 4, 2022 22:22:21 GMT
Looking at Gavin White's concussion again, makes me realise what a filthy, cowardly strike it was by Ryan O'Donoghue. He had no intention or possibility of touching the ball so he used it as a free opportunity to just swing a closed fist at Gavin White's head and it could have done a lot of damage. Should have been a straight red card. I think that is very harsh on the Mayo player. The ball was there Gavin was just too quick - sometimes these things just happen. Yes it was late and dangerous but in my opinion not malicious at all.
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Post by john4 on Apr 4, 2022 22:29:09 GMT
Was also thinking about this. Is it mad to think that Paudie and Sean O'Shea are both 11's only, and possibly one or the other should only be on the field at any one time. Both played in the semi final last year and obviously it didn't go well. Tough to leave Paudie out of the team especially when he's such an outrageous 11 but if the contrary is counterproductive what do you do? Last year against Tyrone Seanie played full forward with Paudie at 11. I completely disagree that they can’t play together. With the work rate our game plan requires from the 4 half forwards it’s not like they’re all always in their area of the field. Have Seanie starting at 11 and Paudie coming out from corner forward, both can take up central positions. They’re 2 brilliant players and we’re lucky to have both. I agree that we are very lucky to have both these guys but Sean O'Shea @ 14 last year was a disadvantage to him and the team's performance. I think that 4 in the half forward line is a backward step. This is where we fell down against Tyrone last year. We crowded our own space. Paudie and Sean O'Shea are both amazing 11's and I don't want this to sound like a criticism but I think that they are so "the same" that someone is surplus.
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Post by mike70 on Apr 4, 2022 22:30:55 GMT
Looking at Gavin White's concussion again, makes me realise what a filthy, cowardly strike it was by Ryan O'Donoghue. He had no intention or possibility of touching the ball so he used it as a free opportunity to just swing a closed fist at Gavin White's head and it could have done a lot of damage. Should have been a straight red card. I think that is very harsh on the Mayo player. The ball was there Gavin was just too quick - sometimes these things just happen. Yes it was late and dangerous but in my opinion not malicious at all. agree with you, was a total clash with no malice intended, to think other wise is really unfair on the Mayo player.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 4, 2022 22:33:33 GMT
Looking at Gavin White's concussion again, makes me realise what a filthy, cowardly strike it was by Ryan O'Donoghue. He had no intention or possibility of touching the ball so he used it as a free opportunity to just swing a closed fist at Gavin White's head and it could have done a lot of damage. Should have been a straight red card. I don't know... I think he was going for the ball fair and square. It is just the case that Gavin White is rapid.
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Post by mike70 on Apr 4, 2022 22:36:16 GMT
It amazes me to think that there are some posters on here thinking you don’t play seanie and Paudie on the same team, laughable really. Have they not realised kerry play 2 inside and the third roams, just as sob did yesterday, and what Paudie will do when seanie is back in 11, no brainer, the other no brainer, is the 2 inside, people suggesting 3😂🙈, do people not realise that why David and Paul were so good yesterday, was the space they had to make runs, where the ball was put into their hands..
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Apr 4, 2022 22:52:33 GMT
It amazes me to think that there are some posters on here thinking you don’t play seanie and Paudie on the same team, laughable really. Have they not realised kerry play 2 inside and the third roams, just as sob did yesterday, and what Paudie will do when seanie is back in 11, no brainer, the other no brainer, is the 2 inside, people suggesting 3😂🙈, do people not realise that why David and Paul were so good yesterday, was the space they had to make runs, where the ball was put into their hands.. 💯
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 22:53:34 GMT
Looking at Gavin White's concussion again, makes me realise what a filthy, cowardly strike it was by Ryan O'Donoghue. He had no intention or possibility of touching the ball so he used it as a free opportunity to just swing a closed fist at Gavin White's head and it could have done a lot of damage. Should have been a straight red card. I don't know... I think he was going for the ball fair and square. It is just the case that Gavin White is rapid. Agreed. Also who said it was concussion? If it were, the Kerry medical staff and management have a lot to answer for. What Rod did yesterday was a desperate attempt to stop a goal, I’d expect any Kerry defender to do likewise. Perhaps it is reckless but is also be expected. As for o hora, in the grand scheme of things, it seemed no big deal. I don’t get the outrage. David is no shrinking violet.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 4, 2022 22:55:42 GMT
All aboard.... Choo Choo Tyrone will be delighted with this kind of talk. Ironic using a train as a metaphor considering Cork have been a train wreck for years. I'd say Dooher and Logan stay up all night reading what Ballyfireside is saying! BTW What does '% play' mean, I've heard of '% rugby'? Maybe a secret, now we don't want Tyrone to know!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 4, 2022 23:27:08 GMT
Well deserved win.
Very good team performance, but what can you say about David Clifford that hasn’t been said already? I don’t really have the right words to describe his performance yesterday.
I suppose the only thing I can say is, watching him brings you back to being a child, filled with excitement, watching your favourite player in action.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2022 6:41:36 GMT
Ard Mhacha... I see RIan o Neill has been suspended for the donegal game.... it's going to be difficult in Ballybofey now.
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Post by kot on Apr 5, 2022 8:50:53 GMT
A fantastic performance from start to finish really. Watched back yesterday and if anything we could have won by more.
Can't be getting too carried away of course as we all know what happened after the last game of the league last year but some of the performances were really top drawer. Clifford was head & shoulders above the rest of course but still many others really stood up. The same ones who have been standing up all the league really plus White on his return (although he still needs to work on his final ball after leaving fellas for dust, he got quite lucky with the goal and got himself a fine clatter for his trouble).
We are of course potentially sitting ducks, assuming we don't get ambushed by Cork later in the summer so hopefully we don't get complacent.
I kind of would have preferred a good hard test yesterday like Mayo used to do with Dublin in those battles a few years back. Those kind of blowout wins are great in the championship but in a weird way, are counter productive in the league. Maybe a case of once bitten, twice shy
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Post by MeathExile on Apr 5, 2022 9:24:13 GMT
One thing for sure after yesterday - one back on his own will not be tasked with marking David. From now on, expect the sweeper to be sitting directly in front of him the whole game. With this in mind, I hope that Jack & co come up with a plan B, while still maintaining the quick foot pass into the forward area - but not necessarily into David. The fast ball is critical to our game - the sideways hand-passing plays (literally) into the oppositions hands. Who is our next best ball-winner in FF line, assuming David will be attracting the extra cover?
A side-point - it is really dis-respectful to say things like the second 15 is the second best team in the country.
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