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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 25, 2022 20:08:57 GMT
Ya, strong team while also giving time to Shane Murphy, Dylan, Graham Sull and Jack Savage, great to see the big Stacks lad lead out his team on home soil, I was thinking when was the last time two Rockies lined out with Kerry, was thinking it was back to the golden years but then remembered 1997 with Pa Laide and William Kirby. Anyway great to see Jack mix experience with fringe players eager to impress.
I take it Kerry will be giving the customary guard of honour to visiting all Ireland champions, well I hope they do, it’s one very respectful tradition I would like to see honored.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 25, 2022 20:13:48 GMT
Good strong team great to see white on the bench. Big game for burns alright lot of competition there. Hopefully savage keeps the temper in check as it feel it will be tested ! If he can back up the performance the last day he could be an interesting option for the summer a full forward line of o shea flanked by a pair of Cliffords would be nice!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 25, 2022 20:21:24 GMT
Covid has finally got me and though I don’t feel very sick (yet) I won’t risk spreading it around Killarney. As others have pointed out with so many having it now again wouldn’t streaming be perfect? I wouldn’t mind paying €10 for the game and most league games were all sold out anyway. Business wise it doesn’t make sense Same as myself! I had decided not to bother traveling down for it but then as the week was progressing and I the weather only getting better I was thinking of changing my mind. Alas Covid symptoms began to materalise Wed night. I thought after the last two years I'd manage to escaped it but looks like this new sub-strain is rampant. Not too bad either thankfully, weak enough yesterday but much better today. I find a good hot shower helps a lot!
Same for me. Had all my shots and didn’t even get a cold. Then Tuesday/Wednesday night it got worse and worse. Currently it is a blocked nose, sneezing and being tired not much else. A hot shower and lemsip helps. Back to the game though. I think there is a lot of sense in the team and I’m hoping that Killian and others make an appearance. Jack clearly wants a big win and a statement. The one thing about Jack is that he wants to win everything, absolutely everything and I really think that is needed. The attitude of previous years that winning the league is not good enough if you don’t win Sam should be over. After all what good is focusing only on Sam if we don’t win it either. Jack is a man who will see winning the league as a platform for the championship. The Wiley fox hasn’t lost his old tricks yet. 1. Shane Murphy 2 Dylan Casey 3 Jason Foley 4 Tom O’Sullivan 5 Graham O’Sullivan 6 Tadhg Morley 7 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch 8 Diarmuid O’Connor 9 Joe O’Connor 10 Stephen O’Brien 11 Jack Savage 12 Micheál Burns 13 Tony Brosnan 14 David Clifford 15 Paul Geaney
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 25, 2022 20:29:45 GMT
Covid has finally got me and though I don’t feel very sick (yet) I won’t risk spreading it around Killarney. As others have pointed out with so many having it now again wouldn’t streaming be perfect? I wouldn’t mind paying €10 for the game and most league games were all sold out anyway. Business wise it doesn’t make sense Same as myself! I had decided not to bother traveling down for it but then as the week was progressing and I the weather only getting better I was thinking of changing my mind. Alas Covid symptoms began to materalise Wed night. I thought after the last two years I'd manage to escaped it but looks like this new sub-strain is rampant. Not too bad either thankfully, weak enough yesterday but much better today. I find a good hot shower helps a lot!
Same here, not really ill but I know there is something up, am I happy I'm vaccinated - just find I need to warp up when out with the dog, I told a neighbour we couldn't chat as I had it, he said he had it too - 'tis all over the place. I was looking forward to Armagh vs Donegal across the road from me on Sun, a great local event. If one get's a negative test is it 100% guaranteed they cannot infect others? Does one have to give it a few days, 2 negative tests?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 21:24:16 GMT
Ya, strong team while also giving time to Shane Murphy, Dylan, Graham Sull and Jack Savage, great to see the big Stacks lad lead out his team on home soil, I was thinking when was the last time two Rockies lined out with Kerry, was thinking it was back to the golden years but then remembered 1997 with Pa Laide and William Kirby. Anyway great to see Jack mix experience with fringe players eager to impress. I take it Kerry will be giving the customary guard of honour to visiting all Ireland champions, well I hope they do, it’s one very respectful tradition I would like to see honored. Ronan Shanahan and Star in 2016/2017?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 21:26:26 GMT
Burns is fortunate to be starting. Bench is interesting, White back, Crowley back. No O'Donoghue or Murphy or Seanie. Burns is a lucky boy, how many chances does 1 man need!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 25, 2022 21:33:02 GMT
Burns is fortunate to be starting. Bench is interesting, White back, Crowley back. No O'Donoghue or Murphy or Seanie. Burns is a lucky boy, how many chances does 1 man need! Maybe Burns is showing in training and Jack is persevering, if Micheál breaks his duck it won't be any harm when the heat is on come the Championship. All in all there is a great panel of players that we need to turn into the greatest 20 for Sam and that has to be the plan here. I know it is an old chestnut but it must be a concern that there is but one from North of Tralee.
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Post by southward on Mar 25, 2022 21:35:24 GMT
I take it Kerry will be giving the customary guard of honour to visiting all Ireland champions, well I hope they do, it’s one very respectful tradition I would like to see honored. I thought it was just the first game of the league that happens?
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Post by Corner Back on Mar 25, 2022 21:40:32 GMT
A strong team named but yet we wouldn't be surprised if the first 5 subs are starting come championship.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 25, 2022 22:02:17 GMT
Jesus lads some amount of covid on here stay well one and all ye will be needed come championship !
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Post by veteran on Mar 25, 2022 22:29:18 GMT
While I agree that wholesale changes should not be made and that a winning mentality is desirable , I was hoping that perhaps Jack would make one or two other changes . My main point is that I cannot understand the logic of lugging players around the country match after match who rarely if ever get a start or indeed brought on. I don’t know if Darragh Roche , for example , is good enough but he is listed for every game without making an appearance. Eanna O’Conhuir is another who rarely makes an appearance. Ditto Pa Warren even allowing for the fact that he was club tied early on. I feel every player listed on the panel should be viewed as a potential starter or at the very least a viable replacement. Otherwise it would make more sense to release them to their clubs.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 25, 2022 22:49:15 GMT
I can see why Jack wants to go fairly full strength for this. In a lot of games we’ve been wondering how much our opposition really want to win. We’ve no doubt that our opposition will want to win this game, with relegation hanging over them. Tyrone’s desire to win will mean that this will be the closest thing to a championship match. We need every proper test we can get because after the league final, realistically the next time we’ll be tested will be in a do or die quarter final which could be against a very tough opponent like Tyrone again or Mayo.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 26, 2022 0:00:56 GMT
I don’t agree with the point on the subs. There’s only so many players you can play and there’s no point in playing players now who we know don’t have a chance of having any involvement come championship based on club and training performances. 26 players have to be chosen for a game and with injuries there are players who are down the pecking order filling positions on the bench, I wouldn’t agree with giving out token appearances when players that will be involved come championship need the game time. Game time has to be earned, it’s can’t just be a good will jesture for turning up.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 26, 2022 0:07:45 GMT
Look we all know that Kerry have a 6 week gap to championship and then a very poor provisional championship.
Kerry can't afford to be giving game time to lads as a token if they are not realistically going to feature in the championship.
The league is more important than ever now given how bad Cork are.
Personally I'm pleasantly surprised with how Jack has taken the league.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 26, 2022 0:20:44 GMT
Sean O'Shea, Adrian Spillane and Paudie Clifford are big losses as are Paul Murphy, Gavin Crowley and Gavin White. If fit they might be included on the bench and needed at some point.
Apart from that it looks very much like a team that could be selected for the championship as well. Savage had huge boots to fill filling in for O'Shea and Burns the same filling in for Adrian Spillane. But...the teams does look strong enough without 6 key players and that is exactly what you want going into the championship. For Tyrone it is a must win, they don't want to go into Ulster with a string of losses and being back down in division 2. Harte did not care much for the league, but Logan and Dooher want to win every game, every competition they enter. They can't win the league anymore, but they will be hurting after the way the dubs played them away and they also want to make sure they keep their winning record over Kerry going. They have won against Kerry when they needed to win and they will be confident.
Regarding positions on the bench: ideally we have 40 players that can all come into the team without weakening the team. That can't realistically happen. We do seem to have a panel though of around 35 players who are all good enough to start. We can name 26 for a game, a few might be injured and then there's a few that are good enough to play with Kerry, but rarely get the chance. Like Killian Spillane, Pa Warren, Darragh Roche and Eanna Ó Conchuir they need to prove themselves in training and indoor training matches, and they probably do otherwise they wouldn't be on the team sheet, but there is no point taking off a guy playing well for a guy who might, or might not, play as well. Maybe, they are good enough to defend a 10 point lead, but not good enough to win a game when we're 2 points down. If they're on the team sheet constantly I'm sure their break will come.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Mar 26, 2022 0:21:45 GMT
Point taken but the way covid numbers are going there is a big chance teams could be missing many players for a big game so imo it would be good to have blooded more players to throw into the fray if needed. We already have more than 26 established players we’re fine in that regard in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 1:13:35 GMT
Burns is a lucky boy, how many chances does 1 man need! Maybe Burns is showing in training and Jack is persevering, if he breaks his duck it wont be any harm when the heat is on. he could be flying in training bally but he needs to start showing it for Kerry now or is he as we'd say back here, "only a great man in his own haggart"
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Post by homerj on Mar 26, 2022 1:27:56 GMT
strong team, hopefully a few of the subs start as no better way to test them. no need to start such a strong team but delighted to see Joe O Connor start, best of luck to him and likewise, speedy recovery to everybody on here who is down with covid at the moment, seems half the country has it.
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Post by kerrysouth on Mar 26, 2022 7:28:50 GMT
Jack O Connor has again cleverly used his panel and is nicely building a strong panel for the championship A versus B games in the weeks ahead should be interesting . Burns has done well in all the games he has come on in and unlike some commentators on here he deserves his start yes he was not great against Kildare the first day but about 10 players were below usual standard that day .It will be interesting what team jack picks for the league final especially if he has a full team to pick from .It appears that 4 or 5 of the forwards are settled but not so sure about the backs he has a good few options and choices to pick from there . Hoping for another tough game tomorrow as a repeat of last year of no benefit to this team .
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Post by southward on Mar 26, 2022 7:57:23 GMT
Jack O Connor has again cleverly used his panel and is nicely building a strong panel for the championship A versus B games in the weeks ahead should be interesting . Burns has done well in all the games he has come on in and unlike some commentators on here he deserves his start yes he was not great against Kildare the first day but about 10 players were below usual standard that day .It will be interesting what team jack picks for the league final especially if he has a full team to pick from .It appears that 4 or 5 of the forwards are settled but not so sure about the backs he has a good few options and choices to pick from there . Hoping for another tough game tomorrow as a repeat of last year of no benefit to this team . Burns seems to be the new BJK on here, a perennial target for criticism.
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Post by paudief on Mar 26, 2022 9:39:04 GMT
What makes it more frustrating is that in 2020 and 2021 with the crowd restrictions they had every game on GAAGO. They are 100% capable of providing the service but choose not to. Even if they were to price the stream the same as to cost to go to the game to guard against any possible loss in income. There are loads of people across the country who it isn’t feasible for to attend games a large distance but would love to watch a stream of the game. Agree with everything being said, I doubt match attendances would ever be seriously impacted by them being on television or available to stream. If you are a supporter being at the thing, making a day out if it is what matters most. I'd count on one hand the amount of League/Championship games I'd miss in a normal 3-4 year period. But sometimes you don't have a choice and for many others work, issues of mobility etc negate their ability to go to games as much as they want. A quality streaming service where any game is available for €5-10 should be maintained Covid or not
Very disappointing it's not on telly. A lot of Kerry people around the country, like my dad, don't have the opportunity to go to the game, and would like to see it. We don't mind paying either.
Will stick to the radio. Would've liked to have seen how Joe O'Connor got on in midfield, after the kickout debacle last week.
As an aside, the RTE analysis has gone to the dogs altogether (another reason you like to see it live for yourself). Pat Spillane on the Sunday Game last week, "the midfield played great". He was watching a different game than I was.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 26, 2022 9:53:37 GMT
Jack O Connor has again cleverly used his panel and is nicely building a strong panel for the championship A versus B games in the weeks ahead should be interesting . Burns has done well in all the games he has come on in and unlike some commentators on here he deserves his start yes he was not great against Kildare the first day but about 10 players were below usual standard that day .It will be interesting what team jack picks for the league final especially if he has a full team to pick from .It appears that 4 or 5 of the forwards are settled but not so sure about the backs he has a good few options and choices to pick from there . Hoping for another tough game tomorrow as a repeat of last year of no benefit to this team . Burns seems to be the new BJK on here, a perennial target for criticism. Agreed. Like Barry John he always gets a few points when he comes on and he brings that physicality we need. Like Barry John though he doesn't seem to do as well when starting, so this will be a game to prove us all wrong. I think he, Savage and Adrian make a really energetic half forward line and it will be interesting to see how they do with Stephen O'Brien there, who is a very different type of player. Burns is an expert in winning dirty ball and likes kick passing to the full forwards. Exactly what we need to be honest. Especially with Clifford close to goal. I also think he has a very good underdstanding with Brosnan and I hope that means plenty of diagonal ball into Brosnan. I think having Adrian and Paudie on the bench means Stephen and Micheál will know they have to do well and fight for the jersey. Killian too needs some confidence and imagine him coming on when Tyrone are tiring. Brosnan and Spillane both have that x-factor and are confidence players. If we are a few points up, as we should, they might have a field day. Likewise having Horan, White, Crowley on the bench means that each of the backs, probably bar Foley and Morley, will know they are fighting for their jerseys. Now if the O'Connors can prove they can keep Barry on the bench, it will be up to Pa, Darragh and Eanna to show why they are on the bench. Should be a great game and I'm not one bit happy to miss it.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Mar 26, 2022 10:19:28 GMT
Ditto. I'm down with covid too. 2 positive antigen tests. Had pcr test too and waiting on result but I have mild flu like symptoms. Must have picked it up on the forum. On the game I'm happy Joe Ó Connor starting but would have liked a few more new starts. Burns needs a big game and Savage has to keep his temperant in check. Tyrone don't bother me. They used to but when I thought about it I realised it was probably Pat Spillane and being a sore loserthat turned me off Tyrone. Tyrone used to admire Kerry down through the years but many felt Kerry did nt give them credit for winning and alot of them turned off us. In 03 we had "puke football" 05 they hurt the "Gooch" and 08 they had beards and stopped our 3 in a row. In reality in 05 and 08 Tyrone played great football to beat us. Yes Gooch was taken out of it but I did nt hear Cork complain in 09 when Nick Murphy was kayoed with an elbow. I have seen every single championship game between Kerry and Tyrone live and the best team won on most occasions. When Tyrone weakened we turned on Dublin. We turned on Cork in the late 80s early 90s.Maybe we just don't like teams beating us too much. I was that soldier but no more. I want to win but I could nt care who gets relegated or who we beat. Would any Kerryman like to beat Tyrone by 12 points in a quarter final then beat Dubs by 15 in a semi but lose the all ireland to Mayo or Galway. I don't think so. Great Post. I wasn't at '86 but was at the rest. I remember being confused in' 03 as to why we couldn't get the ball off to a free man. I put '03 down as a "complete ambush" that we walked into. '05 was salt into the wounds (Gooch) and '08 was the cherry on top (no complaints, after 65 mins I'd have put the house on Kerry, then Sean Cavanagh stepped up...) '21 was another ambush (that supporters knew was coming but the team/sideline didn't)! For obvious reasons, I'm not mentioning our wins😂😂 The only correction I would make to your comment is that Cork people DID complain about that elbow. Let's be honest though can any fair-minded person say that wouldn't have done so if the exact same thing happened to a Kerry player? The book didn't help either! On your last point, I was very happy when we put Tyrone to the sword in Killarney in last year's league semi but only because I thought we were in a great place for the championship, how wrong that turned out to be! I would would put Sean Cavanagh's punditry (esp his latest soundbite about Kerry people "baying for blood") in the same category as Pat's. Dispite us being in agreement Ciarraimick, I suspect that we are in the minority in our county! And yet some here on this forum give out about Mayo people disliking Kerry, the irony is so blindingly obvious. There is none so blind as those who will not see. As for my prediction.. A 3 point win by someone, I can't figure out if Tyrone are prioritising Division 1 for next year or Fermanagh in 3 weeks time.. Maybe I should withdraw my comments about the 2 aforementioned pundits?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 11:31:27 GMT
Jack O Connor has again cleverly used his panel and is nicely building a strong panel for the championship A versus B games in the weeks ahead should be interesting . Burns has done well in all the games he has come on in and unlike some commentators on here he deserves his start yes he was not great against Kildare the first day but about 10 players were below usual standard that day .It will be interesting what team jack picks for the league final especially if he has a full team to pick from .It appears that 4 or 5 of the forwards are settled but not so sure about the backs he has a good few options and choices to pick from there . Hoping for another tough game tomorrow as a repeat of last year of no benefit to this team . Burns seems to be the new BJK on here, a perennial target for criticism. sorry southward but Burns is no BJK, BJK contributed more to the team,. I don't like criticising Burns but we have to call a spade a spade here, which is he hasn't performed well in the majority of the games he's played in, he has a habit of when he gets the ball which is to hold on to it for as long as possible to see if he can get a score, in the mean time lads inside are bursting them selves making runs and no ball coming in, this is not the game jack wants to play, Jack wants fast ball into the forwards. We all saw what Stephen ó Brien did for Clifford's goal last week, posters said on here during the week that Stephen has changed his game to suit Jack's style of play now let's see if Burns can do likewise. I hope I'm wrong about Burns and that he'll make me eat my words, I really do, but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 26, 2022 11:32:55 GMT
Burns has done alright when used? He could do with a good performance on Sunday and for some reason I think he’ll give us one.
The pitch and the conditions will suit him
I’d put him in the same boat as Killian Spillane, he’s been given a good few opportunities and never fully taken them so he needs to show us something but I think he can
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 26, 2022 11:46:45 GMT
Maybe Burns is showing in training and Jack is persevering, if he breaks his duck it wont be any harm when the heat is on. he could be flying in training bally but he needs to start showing it for Kerry now or is he as we'd say back here, "only a great man in his own haggart" Funny a man can be a hero in his own haggart, where nobody can see him? - but not in his homeplace, and then there are his Fairweather Friends. Anyway re the comments above on Tyrone and which are reasonable, it's becoming philosophical and which isn't helped by the necessary evil that is 'closed doors training' - and that is all before we start predicting the future. I suppose the nub of it is, will we go for it tomorrow? - I think we will - and that's my prediction of the future, Kerry to score the 1st and last of 3 goals in the game and win by 5 pts - countdown, final answer. Still Tyrone at 9/1 for Sam defies logic, who's to say the 6 who walked away won't turn back? They U turned from that famous walk in Killarney National Park last year - took us for a walk, led us up the garden path, of our own haggart, our own backyard, came in the front door and haunted us our of our own house!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 11:59:40 GMT
Burns has done alright when used? He could do with a good performance on Sunday and for some reason I think he’ll give us one. The pitch and the conditions will suit him I’d put him in the same boat as Killian Spillane, he’s been given a good few opportunities and never fully taken them so he needs to show us something but I think he can I hope you're right and best of luck to him and all the lads tomorrow.
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Post by veteran on Mar 26, 2022 13:33:32 GMT
My biggest problem with Michael Burns is that he tends to be a little hotheaded , being confrontational even after getting his free.
Regarding Pat Spillane, it’s a shame if he will be remembered more for his attention seeking, cringe inducing comments rather than for the fact that he was a brilliant footballer. I have given up reading him and Joe Brolly.
I feel Eamon Fitzmaurice is the most informative co-commentator on RTÉ . Writes with the same authority as well.
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Post by augustafield on Mar 26, 2022 13:52:59 GMT
A guard of honour for Tyrone ? Are we stupid ? Well we were last year in falling for their gamesmanship not on one but two occassions and now we want to applaud them for hoodwinking us with their so called Covid issues . We have lost the tag ' cute hoors ' but it wouldnt be too hard to imagine what we'd be called if we clapped them onto the pitch .
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 26, 2022 18:30:43 GMT
Veteran. Well said. Pat was the best half forward I've ever seen but he is now known by youngsters for his over the top punditry. Also agree Fitzmaurice is excellent as a pundit It is best for some to go quietly into the night. Unfortunately and unfairly Pat has somewhat sullied his reputation as one of the best forwards to ever play the game. At times he comes out with embarrassing stuff, he seems to speak before he thinks. Outsiders unjustly consider him the voice of Kerry GAA. On a positive note his has remained humble and is well liked within his community. Big plus there but it’s well past time for him to retire. Then we have Sean Kavanagh, who has a massive dislike for Pat and seemingly hates everything Kerry. Humble is one word that cannot be associated with him. Soon enough his great football career will be forgotten. Too much public scrutiny can be so unforgiving.
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