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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 14, 2022 15:34:40 GMT
PercentagePlay "Can you tell me what you would have liked him to have done?" Varied some kick out towards the terrace side. On one occasion Graham and Stephen had a 2v1 and Graham is no slouch. Both called and call was ignored. On the soccer style punch, maybe I'm a gaa dinosaur, but what would Diarmuid Murphy, Declan O'Keeffe, Charlie etc have done .. come to the edge of six yard box, take chest high and either kick or handpass out.. certain aspects of the game have changed however ball control and basic positional sense haven't. A similar ball came in during the McGrath Cup that hopped over the bar. For me put simply -does he command the square and in still confidence... for me unfort not, but in saying that, the current goalkeeping coach didn't either in my eyes when he was between the sticks. My question asking what you would have liked him to have done was to do with the criticism of the save he made not to do with his kickouts. As I stated in my original response his kickouts could have been varied more. I understand your point regarding the presence on the goal line but I will reserve my judgement/opinion until there is a barrage of high ball on top of him from a team playing with such a tactic using a big full forward and see how he fairs out. To date neither him or Ryan have made a mistake. I think too much is being made of the competition between the two players. My preference would be the goal keeper who plays every game he plays in goals and not at full forward. In saying that I would have no issue with Ryan in goal either. Apologies, no that save was A1 out fast, spread himself it doesn't matter if it's the head, hand, nose once the ball is deflected. It was a good block... I do worry though that neither are nailing the spot and being the universal incumbent. Both have their pros and cons and hand on heart neither instill 100% confidence, but as alluded to, the Rathmore man has just about the edge over the Crokes man for me.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2022 16:27:05 GMT
I think the recent Dublin side is the greatest of all time but that doesn't negate the fact I found them very boring to watch.
They were better to watch earlier in the decade but slowly they turned into zzzz
The 2013 semi was the beat match I ever saw I think and that was box office.
Kilkenny touching the ball 60,000 times and kicking it over with his ugly style was not.
And I also said winning trumps style... but don't tell me that I have to enjoy what they served up.
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Post by john4 on Mar 14, 2022 17:40:06 GMT
I hope you are all good after our satisfying win last Saturday night. Sadly, this news has been tainted badly this morning, when a very genuine female staff member up here in Mayo, that the Mayo County Board Vice Chairman told her of quite a despicable incident that happened just after the the match during the pitch invasion on Saturday night. Reportedly, a 70 year old Kerryman supporter spat into Aidan O' Shea's face coming off the pitch, Patrick O' Sullivan, our County Board Chairman, had to apologise to Aidan O' Shea, straight to his face as it happened. Irrespective of the loathing of this Mayo player, and he is, you cannot do this, this is as low as you can do. I hope an investigation is made, CCTV if possible and the man is caught and dealt with severely, banned from future Kerry matches. There is no place in our games for anyone behaving like this. This is lower than low and is bound to create even more anti Kerry sentiment up here amongst the Mayoites,and spread around up here in Mayo, it's doing nothing for our reputation at all, all because of one scumbag, giving us a bad name. these type of vermin, need to be weeded out and dealt with. It has left a spur taste in my mouth. If this story is true it was a most despicable act and should be 100% followed up on. There was one of our own 2 rows behind me using horrible language towards Aiden O'Shea. Totally unacceptable. Crossed my mind to challenge him but didn't. I'm disappointed that I didn't now. That's not the Gaa I want to be part of.
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Post by maolla on Mar 14, 2022 20:13:20 GMT
As gaa supporters, obviously none of us condone this type of behaviour and hopefully this individual will be identified and dealt with. As a Mayo supporter, I don’t think many in Mayo (or any other county) would feel his actions are in any way representative of Kerry fans. But it’s good to see it being called out on forums like this.
I was at the game with a few other Mayo folks and we all commented after on the great fáilte we got from the lads helping us to park up, to the gardai outside and the chap leading us into the turnstiles. All up for a bit of banter and very welcoming. We were in good time and again had great chats and craic with Kerry and Mayo folks of all ages in the pissing rain. Bit of light musical entertainment beforehand is a nice touch even if hard to properly appreciate in the conditions. After the game we headed into the town for a few creamy ones and a great night was had with both tribes mixing easily and having the craic. I’m betting the same scenario played out across numerous locations in the town. So I don’t think any of Mayo supporters who were in Tralee Saturday night at any rate would be inclined to tarnish Kerry fans with the same brush as that clown. Much like Kerry fans probably don’t feel every Mayo supporter could potentially invade the pitch while dragging along a herd of stewards.
Looking forward to crossing swords again in the near future.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 14, 2022 20:28:19 GMT
As gaa supporters, obviously none of us condone this type of behaviour and hopefully this individual will be identified and dealt with. As a Mayo supporter, I don’t think many in Mayo (or any other county) would feel his actions are in any way representative of Kerry fans. But it’s good to see it being called out on forums like this. I was at the game with a few other Mayo folks and we all commented after on the great fáilte we got from the lads helping us to park up, to the gardai outside and the chap leading us into the turnstiles. All up for a bit of banter and very welcoming. We were in good time and again had great chats and craic with Kerry and Mayo folks of all ages in the pissing rain. Bit of light musical entertainment beforehand is a nice touch even if hard to properly appreciate in the conditions. After the game we headed into the town for a few creamy ones and a great night was had with both tribes mixing easily and having the craic. I’m betting the same scenario played out across numerous locations in the town. So I don’t think any of Mayo supporters who were in Tralee Saturday night at any rate would be inclined to tarnish Kerry fans with the same brush as that clown. Much like Kerry fans probably don’t feel every Mayo supporter could potentially invade the pitch while dragging along a herd of stewards. Looking forward to crossing swords again in the near future. What a 👏 brilliant post Maolla. Go raibh míle maith agat. Great to hear that you were looked after down home at the weekend. You never here all the good apples being eaten, just takes one bad one to infect the one eater sadly. We do hospitality really well, I'd like to think so, as its part and parcel of whom we are in Kerry. We do our best. I try to sell that up here in Mayo, that we are good, decent people. Be nice to others, and they'll be nice to you, or at least they should be anyway. Hopefully a potential League Final is in the offing for us two in a few week's time up in Croke Park.
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Post by thehermit on Mar 14, 2022 23:01:33 GMT
If there's any truth in that tale that Promisedland heard it should shame any genuine Kerry supporter. People like that are the same wretches that send anonymous texts to managers or players or get out the pen and paper and scribble down their gutter bile. Didn't Eamon Fitz state he had a shoebox of such letters collected over his tenure as Kerry manager.
For most people sport is an escape, or an affirmation of a collective identity, or an excuse for some soclaising and craic and with the GAA its a combination of all that and a little more (maybe even a strain of masochism given the torturous weather people like myself have decided to go out in this past month).
But alas for some others sport, whether in a participatory or in a spectating sense, is a medium to express the anger, violence, sense of low self-worth, bigotry or racism inherent in their own lives.
Screaming abuse at young people, even kids at underage, spitting, kicking someone's head in because they are in a different coloured jersey, throwing banana skins, doing monkey chants - whatever it is - sport is one of the last bastions where such behavior (which is now socially unacceptable in everyday society) can be practiced under the protective anonymity of the mob.
Harper Lee understood the psyche of the mob very well, single them out and shame them and see how they wilt.
If this incident occurred let the man in question be identified and never allowed near a GAA pitch again.
But something vile like this isn't the only thing I find hard to understand or reason with. Its amazing how often at games down the years I've encountered people who act bizarrely and I'm not talking about people getting caught up in the heat of the moment and effin about the ref.
For example I had the Season Ticket for a couple of years but got rid of it after 2013. The main reason was because for every game that Championship I was put sitting next to this older lady from South Kerry who came to matches to do nothing but hurl abuse at the Kerry team. It was extraordinary to be sitting there listening to someone who was taking the time and money to go to games solely for that purpose. It didn't matter how good, bad or indifferent Kerry played all she did ay game was vocally articulate a constant stream of insults. We all remember the epic 2013 semi-final and Kerry's amazing performance in that first half. There I was jumping around hugging the Kerry fans around me as the goals went in, and there madam was stuck to her seat with her eyes to heaven and her grimace to hell as if she had just witnessed the school principal being caught in the arms of a student's mother.
Sure even on Saturday I decided at half time to head over to the Dunnes Stores side of the Terrace to be able to be near the attacking goal side for the second half. When Mayo brought it back to a point towards the end of the second half this Mayo supporter materialises from nowhere and with a breath you could get intoxicated from if you inhaled enough began a tirade of abuse about Kerry and Jack O'Connor for a good 10 mins. A fella in his 40s and then he disappears the minute Cifford put us back in the lead. I saw him an hour later walking through the pub on his own with a big smirk on him. Again the mentality of that I'll never understand.
Sport can bring out the best in people, but its a window into the worst in some to be sure.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 15, 2022 8:58:45 GMT
If there's any truth in that tale that Promisedland heard it should shame any genuine Kerry supporter. People like that are the same wretches that send anonymous texts to managers or players or get out the pen and paper and scribble down their gutter bile. Didn't Eamon Fitz state he had a shoebox of such letters collected over his tenure as Kerry manager. For most people sport is an escape, or an affirmation of a collective identity, or an excuse for some soclaising and craic and with the GAA its a combination of all that and a little more (maybe even a strain of masochism given the torturous weather people like myself have decided to go out in this past month). But alas for some others sport, whether in a participatory or in a spectating sense, is a medium to express the anger, violence, sense of low self-worth, bigotry or racism inherent in their own lives. Screaming abuse at young people, even kids at underage, spitting, kicking someone's head in because they are in a different coloured jersey, throwing banana skins, doing monkey chants - whatever it is - sport is one of the last bastions where such behavior (which is now socially unacceptable in everyday society) can be practiced under the protective anonymity of the mob. Harper Lee understood the psyche of the mob very well, single them out and shame them and see how they wilt. If this incident occurred let the man in question be identified and never allowed near a GAA pitch again. But something vile like this isn't the only thing I find hard to understand or reason with. Its amazing how often at games down the years I've encountered people who act bizarrely and I'm not talking about people getting caught up in the heat of the moment and effin about the ref. For example I had the Season Ticket for a couple of years but got rid of it after 2013. The main reason was because for every game that Championship I was put sitting next to this older lady from South Kerry who came to matches to do nothing but hurl abuse at the Kerry team. It was extraordinary to be sitting there listening to someone who was taking the time and money to go to games solely for that purpose. It didn't matter how good, bad or indifferent Kerry played all she did ay game was vocally articulate a constant stream of insults. We all remember the epic 2013 semi-final and Kerry's amazing performance in that first half. There I was jumping around hugging the Kerry fans around me as the goals went in, and there madam was stuck to her seat with her eyes to heaven and her grimace to hell as if she had just witnessed the school principal being caught in the arms of a student's mother.
Sure even on Saturday I decided at half time to head over to the Dunnes Stores side of the Terrace to be able to be near the attacking goal side for the second half. When Mayo brought it back to a point towards the end of the second half this Mayo supporter materialises from nowhere and with a breath you could get intoxicated from if you inhaled enough began a tirade of abuse about Kerry and Jack O'Connor for a good 10 mins. A fella in his 40s and then he disappears the minute Cifford put us back in the lead. I saw him an hour later walking through the pub on his own with a big smirk on him. Again the mentality of that I'll never understand.
Sport can bring out the best in people, but its a window into the worst in some to be sure. Something i can never understand with people. There was a lady much the same who used to be at Kerry hurling games. Would spend the whole game just complaining non stop. I can ever recall at one game before a player had even hit the ball she complained about him giving the ball away. He actually made the pass and she said he had got lucky! Why do they even bother going..
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Post by john4 on Mar 15, 2022 9:23:19 GMT
If there's any truth in that tale that Promisedland heard it should shame any genuine Kerry supporter. People like that are the same wretches that send anonymous texts to managers or players or get out the pen and paper and scribble down their gutter bile. Didn't Eamon Fitz state he had a shoebox of such letters collected over his tenure as Kerry manager. For most people sport is an escape, or an affirmation of a collective identity, or an excuse for some soclaising and craic and with the GAA its a combination of all that and a little more (maybe even a strain of masochism given the torturous weather people like myself have decided to go out in this past month). But alas for some others sport, whether in a participatory or in a spectating sense, is a medium to express the anger, violence, sense of low self-worth, bigotry or racism inherent in their own lives. Screaming abuse at young people, even kids at underage, spitting, kicking someone's head in because they are in a different coloured jersey, throwing banana skins, doing monkey chants - whatever it is - sport is one of the last bastions where such behavior (which is now socially unacceptable in everyday society) can be practiced under the protective anonymity of the mob. Harper Lee understood the psyche of the mob very well, single them out and shame them and see how they wilt. If this incident occurred let the man in question be identified and never allowed near a GAA pitch again. But something vile like this isn't the only thing I find hard to understand or reason with. Its amazing how often at games down the years I've encountered people who act bizarrely and I'm not talking about people getting caught up in the heat of the moment and effin about the ref. For example I had the Season Ticket for a couple of years but got rid of it after 2013. The main reason was because for every game that Championship I was put sitting next to this older lady from South Kerry who came to matches to do nothing but hurl abuse at the Kerry team. It was extraordinary to be sitting there listening to someone who was taking the time and money to go to games solely for that purpose. It didn't matter how good, bad or indifferent Kerry played all she did ay game was vocally articulate a constant stream of insults. We all remember the epic 2013 semi-final and Kerry's amazing performance in that first half. There I was jumping around hugging the Kerry fans around me as the goals went in, and there madam was stuck to her seat with her eyes to heaven and her grimace to hell as if she had just witnessed the school principal being caught in the arms of a student's mother.
Sure even on Saturday I decided at half time to head over to the Dunnes Stores side of the Terrace to be able to be near the attacking goal side for the second half. When Mayo brought it back to a point towards the end of the second half this Mayo supporter materialises from nowhere and with a breath you could get intoxicated from if you inhaled enough began a tirade of abuse about Kerry and Jack O'Connor for a good 10 mins. A fella in his 40s and then he disappears the minute Cifford put us back in the lead. I saw him an hour later walking through the pub on his own with a big smirk on him. Again the mentality of that I'll never understand.
Sport can bring out the best in people, but its a window into the worst in some to be sure. Something i can never understand with people. There was a lady much the same who used to be at Kerry hurling games. Would spend the whole game just complaining non stop. I can ever recall at one game before a player had even hit the ball she complained about him giving the ball away. He actually made the pass and she said he had got lucky! Why do they even bother going.. I have a theory about these types of people. I'd say that they were reared in houses where negativity was the prevailing tone of commentary, they've now become adults themselves and no nothing else. There's no reasoning with this type of person as they're mentally programmed this way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 10:03:39 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about that incident if true, it's awful bad form, could you imagine what he'd have done if we lost the game.
O'Shea isn't very well liked even by the Mayo fans, the Mayo supporters that I was talking to really disliked him and were very sour that he gave away the free at the end, but that's not on and I hope they catch the culprit.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 15, 2022 10:28:52 GMT
Presuming true, I'm disgusted with a fellow Kerryman to commit such a cowardly act. I doubt any Gaelic Footballer has suffered as much heartbreak on the field as O'Shea between All-Ireland final losses and County final losses. He got lambasted from pillar to post after last year's All-Ireland final and gets dogs abuse in general, yet here he is year after year putting himself through the same punishment in the quest of winning an All-Ireland for Mayo. He would have felt bad enough giving away the free that lost Mayo the game without that ignoramous assaulting him.
Youngsters get a bad name at matches, but I find in Kerry it's the older generation that are the main reason why Páidí called us animals. Between this guy, the guy who attached Páidí in 03 and the lads throwing programmes at Gough in 16, it's all people old enough to have sense.
I remember in 05, not sure if it was the 1/4s or semi but 3 older lads were shouting onto the field giving John Crowley dogs abuse, asking for him to be taken off and calling him every name under the sun. Giving an amateur player such abuse is bad enough, but it was compounded by the fact that unbeknownst to them, John Crowley had retired the previous year!
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Post by southward on Mar 15, 2022 10:29:03 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about that incident if true, it's awful bad form, could you imagine what he'd have done if we lost the game. O'Shea isn't very well liked even by the Mayo fans, the Mayo supporters that I was talking to really disliked him and were very sour that he gave away the free at the end, but that's not on and I hope they catch the culprit. Yes, if it's true and if there is a culprit. I can't find a report of any such incident other that what was posted here. And what was that? - a poster says a woman said that an official told her... ffs, that's just hearsay at best. Whatever happened to not posting rumours and gossip? Look, maybe it's true and maybe it ain't (personally, I think it sounds like bs) but either way, unless this is substantiated, we should really stop giving it legs.
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Post by Control5 on Mar 15, 2022 10:50:03 GMT
I spend a good few days last year deleting posts about a whatsapp where two very decent and respected senior Kerry players were supposed to have had a go at Peter Keane. It was all rubbish of course but some people are too willing to believe and share unsubstantiated stuff.
Had i been online yesterday i would have nipped this in the bud. I have deleted posts now.
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Post by veteran on Mar 15, 2022 12:54:48 GMT
There is no denying spitting in the face of somebody is one of the most vile, cowardly, repulsive acts imaginable. If the incident took place I wish to apologise , as a Kerry supporter, to Aiden and Mayo football supporters.
There are a few aspects of the story that is bothering me. Firstly, the story is coming to us via a third hand source. Usually a red flag. Secondly, the perpetrator is described as being seventy years of age. Did he make a declaration of his age at the time? Thirdly, and I don't mean to be facetious, if I was a "spitting" man I think I would be reluctant to choose as my target somebody who is built like a grizzly bear.
We all agree that spitting in a person's face is an unpardonable atrocity but, until proven otherwise, this story has the status of an offensive fabrication.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 12:57:07 GMT
I'm sorry to hear about that incident if true, it's awful bad form, could you imagine what he'd have done if we lost the game. O'Shea isn't very well liked even by the Mayo fans, the Mayo supporters that I was talking to really disliked him and were very sour that he gave away the free at the end, but that's not on and I hope they catch the culprit. Yes, if it's true and if there is a culprit. I can't find a report of any such incident other that what was posted here. And what was that? - a poster says a woman said that an official told her... ffs, that's just hearsay at best. Whatever happened to not posting rumours and gossip? Look, maybe it's true and maybe it ain't (personally, I think it sounds like bs) but either way, unless this is substantiated, we should really stop giving it legs. exactly, iv seen nothing anywhere else only on here that this happened, if it did how did this lady know the culprit was from Kerry? like I said above the Mayo people I was talking to had no time for O'Shea and were disgusted that he gave away the free that lost them the game. So could it have been a Disgruntled Mayo fan? Not making excuses (if it happened it's wrong) Just throwing it out there that it might not have been a Kerry person.
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Post by dano on Mar 15, 2022 15:28:04 GMT
I think we have been duped here. Still glad the Mayo guy posted and said they were treated well in Tralee. That's all that matters.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 15, 2022 16:25:25 GMT
Hello, other posts, this lady that informed me of the alleged incident, is a female teacher, she went out of her way to tell me, I trust her bona fides, as she is an extremely genuine person, now she could have been sold a duck by her county vice chairman.
As they say, talk is cheap, I was only the receiver and I relayed this in putting it out there. During World War 2, a message on posters stated, your talk can get people killed! Hence, fratenising with the enemy.
I'm going to investigate this further myself. Please don't shoot the messenger.
I will question her further about it and make more enquiries. I do not believe in idol gossip, but I believe in this lady, but she may have been duped by the teller to her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 19:33:23 GMT
Hello, other posts, this lady that informed me of the alleged incident, is a female teacher, she went out of her way to tell me, I trust her bona fides, as she is an extremely genuine person, now she could have been sold a duck by her county vice chairman. As they say, talk is cheap, I was only the receiver and I relayed this in putting it out there. During World War 2, a message on posters stated, your talk can get people killed! Hence, fratenising with the enemy. I'm going to investigate this further myself. Please don't shoot the messenger. I will question her further about it and make more enquiries. I do not believe in idol gossip, but I believe in this lady, but she may have been duped by the teller to her. find out was it a Kerry person or a Mayo person that did it, there wasn't many fans from either side wearing their colours Saturday night, and like another poster said if you were 70 and going to do that you might pick a different target for the good of your health.
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Post by Control5 on Mar 15, 2022 19:44:21 GMT
Hello, other posts, this lady that informed me of the alleged incident, is a female teacher, she went out of her way to tell me, I trust her bona fides, as she is an extremely genuine person, now she could have been sold a duck by her county vice chairman. As they say, talk is cheap, I was only the receiver and I relayed this in putting it out there. During World War 2, a message on posters stated, your talk can get people killed! Hence, fratenising with the enemy. I'm going to investigate this further myself. Please don't shoot the messenger. I will question her further about it and make more enquiries. I do not believe in idol gossip, but I believe in this lady, but she may have been duped by the teller to her. Investigate away but don't bother coming on here with it. If it happened then there are proper official channels for dealing with such issues.
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Post by hurlingman on Mar 15, 2022 19:48:01 GMT
Hello, other posts, this lady that informed me of the alleged incident, is a female teacher, she went out of her way to tell me, I trust her bona fides, as she is an extremely genuine person, now she could have been sold a duck by her county vice chairman. As they say, talk is cheap, I was only the receiver and I relayed this in putting it out there. During World War 2, a message on posters stated, your talk can get people killed! Hence, fratenising with the enemy. I'm going to investigate this further myself. Please don't shoot the messenger. I will question her further about it and make more enquiries. I do not believe in idol gossip, but I believe in this lady, but she may have been duped by the teller to her. What does the persons ''who told you'' job and gender have to do with anything?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 15, 2022 19:50:31 GMT
I posted rumours here before.
It turned out they were false and I apologised to the forum.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 15, 2022 20:24:01 GMT
Believe nothing, unless it's from the Horses mouth 👍
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Post by Moderator on Mar 15, 2022 20:58:41 GMT
There's a lot of lads who can't talk when excited without spitting.
The subject should be closed now.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 15, 2022 21:20:42 GMT
Did we figure out why Mayo got the ball moved in after the hames of a kick by Hennelly in the second half? I'm fairly sure Dara was more than the required distance back
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Post by tpo on Mar 15, 2022 21:36:54 GMT
He may have been waving his hands to distract the kicker which is now a free. I don't know if that was the case
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2022 22:36:23 GMT
Did we figure out why Mayo got the ball moved in after the hames of a kick by Hennelly in the second half? I'm fairly sure Dara was more than the required distance back god be with the days when Marc O'sé would be standing in front of the free taker clapping his hands. Is it against the rules now to stand with your hands in the air?
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 15, 2022 23:02:00 GMT
Did we figure out why Mayo got the ball moved in after the hames of a kick by Hennelly in the second half? I'm fairly sure Dara was more than the required distance back god be with the days when Marc O'sé would be standing in front of the free taker clapping his hands. Is it against the rules now to stand with your hands in the air? The funniest part is if it was for Dara being too close to the ball, the ref moved the ball forward too short as the free was where Dara was. The rule is right to be in if you are putting off the freetaker though. Here Dara did the expected of him, stand back with his hands up. There is no world where Dara put Hennelly off. However, Donaghy in Clones (2018) got away with some amount of distraction on Beggan's freetaking. That's not on.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 16, 2022 5:52:10 GMT
I saw on the highlights of the Roscommon v Derry game, the last free kick of the game being taken by Derry to win the game, the Roscommon guy in front of the kicker was doing a river dance trying to put the kicker off and the ref never penalised them, free was missed from the 45, no consistency.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 16, 2022 10:57:45 GMT
I saw on the highlights of the Roscommon v Derry game, the last free kick of the game being taken by Derry to win the game, the Roscommon guy in front of the kicker was doing a river dance trying to put the kicker off and the ref never penalised them, free was missed from the 45, no consistency. That was discussed on the highlights programme on Sunday night. The Gooch referenced the Hennelly free retake and said that was the reason it was retaken.
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