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Post by taggert on Mar 13, 2022 20:16:17 GMT
The crowd had witnessed AoS reffing the 2nd half so clearly decided it was they who were calling full time....😉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 20:25:58 GMT
Kingdomboy I don't want David to play like a robot. Of course he s brilliant. All I'm saying is that I wish he d do the simple things too. Its not robotic to kick a pass straight or the score in front of goals. All I'm saying is he should concentrate a bit more. We might get away with that in the league but not the championship. As good as David is we won't win an all ireland with silly mistakes and he is the biggest culprit. Now Ó Beaglaoi also made a grave mistake last night standing still for a kickout and it cost us a silly point. Composure is not robotic and Con Ó Callaghan or James Mccarthy are def not robotic. Ya I understand that the mistakes are irritating Mick but he's still young, he's had too stunted years in 20/21 so the bit of composure will come, remember he's not on a team of superstars and is allways marked by the best defenders on the opossisions team. All I can say is when ever he gets the ball my anticipation goes through the roof of the stand, I love watching him and I'd say so does the majority of people in the country. Enjoy him Mick as he won't be around forever.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 13, 2022 21:02:53 GMT
I think we need to give the team and management some credit for our first league victory over Mayo in Kerry since 2009. We were up against a well drilled Mayo defensive system, as well as conditions on the night, which put us under a lot of pressure with our kick outs, especially in the first half, was a big improvement in the second half, definitely some work for murphy in goals. I think the kerry Collective defence has been excellent, reflected in having the best defensive record in the league, this collective comes at a price, our scoring numbers are less than other years, with 1-15 v dublin and 1-13 v Donegal, MF was concerning last night, better second half but probably all linked to the kick outs , I always say if your struggling in MF you will struggle either side of it, which was the case last night, Mayo did miss an amount of scoring chances , but our defence work rate must get some credit here. Up front was not as fluid as we would have liked, but we must also acknowledge the Mayo defensive system , I think breaking the cover for the goal was the winning of the game for us and great finish by TB, we had a few other chances but poor decision making cost us. I think we struggled to get the ball to the HF line last night, there was plenty runs but we could not link it up. I think another win away to Armagh will confirm our league final place, rest more players for Tyrone game. Will all help with developing our squad depth. All this on the back of no hard training really done according to jack, so lots to look forward too and plenty to work on.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Mar 13, 2022 21:07:14 GMT
Disappointed in the manner it ended. Even though the ref was very lenient timewise, the crowd should not be dictating when a game ends. I'd be extremely annoyed if that happened in the championship. Kerry could (probably should) be fined for this.
I'd love to know what Aidan O'Shea has on James Horan to continue to be selected. He probably cost Mayo at least a draw. While his teammates were defending against Kerry, he was jeering players (the same rubbish he did v Kerry in 2014 part 1, Donaghy mentioned it riled him up seeing Aidan jeer David Moran). His sliding and late tackles went unnoticed by the referee also. He's difficulty with the basics wasn't weather related.
The defence did extremely well, closing rank after the two goal chances coughed up in the first half. In the second half, a number of Mayo attacks were pushed back to half backs taking potshots. Winning the close games made us learn alot more about ourselves than that Monaghan game.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 13, 2022 21:18:14 GMT
I do enjoy watching David but there are no defenders on him takin g a line ball or taking frees from hand in front of goal.Yes he lost out in under 20/21 football and hopefully he will learn from his mistakes. Is he not human mick ?
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 13, 2022 21:36:00 GMT
I would'nt change a thing in David's game. I often get the impression that David seriously dislikes winter football. Playing in a downpour in July is completely different to playing in winter. The story goes that a retired Kerry footballer, holder of AI medals, managed at club level. He cancelled training any evening that was wet, claiming that you can't play top class football in bad weather so therefore you can't practice top class football....
Tony enhanced his championship chances last night. His finishing is unbelievable.
Jack Savage didn't. There is a huge difference in standard between club and county.
Shane Murphy is a much more natural keeper and last night was the difference between winning and losing.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 13, 2022 21:38:38 GMT
I'll get hammered for this but here goes,
Clifford is like Cantona...
The man can just does things us mere mortals can only dream of.
Appreciate what's infront of us because we are blessed to have him.
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Post by mike70 on Mar 13, 2022 22:14:57 GMT
I would'nt change a thing in David's game. I often get the impression that David seriously dislikes winter football. Playing in a downpour in July is completely different to playing in winter. The story goes that a retired Kerry footballer, holder of AI medals, managed at club level. He cancelled training any evening that was wet, claiming that you can't play top class football in bad weather so therefore you can't practice top class football.... Tony enhanced his championship chances last night. His finishing is unbelievable. Jack Savage didn't. There is a huge difference in standard between club and county. Shane Murphy is a much more natural keeper and last night was the difference between winning and losing. not sure what game you were watching, the kick outs in the first half put us under serious pressure, only for a lack of quality up front for Mayo they would have won the game, I am a fan of murphy but if the kick outs don’t improve, he could be making 16 his jersey.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 23:08:48 GMT
I'll get hammered for this but here goes, Clifford is like Cantona... The man can just does things us mere mortals can only dream of. Appreciate what's infront of us because we are blessed to have him. I agree with you royal, Clifford is cantonaesque, and Ferguson who would have been a strict manager and a hard task master allowed Cantona the freedom to express himself. Some players and people might not have liked that preferencial treatment although I think I heard Roy keane say in an interview 1 time that he and the other players had no problem with it and were happy to do the grunt work and let Cantona do his thing.
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Post by thepromisedland on Mar 13, 2022 23:44:56 GMT
I'm not going to go over too much indepth analysis of our first home league win over Mayo since 2009!! Great to win a tight game in the end,though I thought we won the match in possession really All of the posts have been superb in their analysis and much better than me. From my perspective, Mayo were lucky to be that close to us even in the end,we didn't kick on when we should have, they were reliant on a lot of frees by what seemed like a biased referee. Our goalkeeper's kickouts is going to cost us yet. Eventhough when he kicks long, he's the best I've seen outside of Rory Beggan of Monaghan regarding distance. Midfield is a bigger problem, if you know that you can't win midfield, at least compete, by having a strategy of winning potential breaking and dirty ball with grounders. Overall, I'm very happy with our boys. Dara Moynihsn was instrumental in setting us on our way with vital disposes, kick passing catching the Mayo backing on the counter as they had pushed up. Huge Mayo following there tonight, the pitch held up superbly well. I did feel overall tonight, tgat both teams were not playing in full throttle, too much possession type handpassing, that is usually a symptom of shadow boxing, an impending duel again between both sides in a final? It was contrived at times I felt. Not as positive a style of play we're accustomed to in Kerry v Mayo matches, thats just a hunch I got from tonight. Does it ever stop raining for Kerry home football matches, but seems to be slways sunny for our Kerry home hurling matches. Had to laugh in the end, the pitch invasion by all of the Kerry youngsters before the referee blew his whistle, it was novel and funny to look at. Kevin McLoughlin at number 22 for Mayo threw his hands up perplexed, as if to lip read, " WTF! Is going on here?" as the youngsters invaded the pitch. A very rare sight. Referree was not one bit impressed leaving the pitch down under the stand tunnel I’d be inclined to agree with Kevin McLoughlin on this, a pitch invasion is no way to finish a match and not very funny. .[/b][/b] [/quote] Agreed, only funny, that this kind of thing just does not happen at all normally. We will probably get a fine for this, if it's only in the referee's report or if Mayo complain, and probably deservedly so. I wouldn't like to see that happen to us in similar circumstances. I noticed one steward who almost encouraged the young kids to invade the pitch underneath the stand, by opening his gate, can't do that.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 14, 2022 0:15:02 GMT
I would'nt change a thing in David's game. I often get the impression that David seriously dislikes winter football. Playing in a downpour in July is completely different to playing in winter. The story goes that a retired Kerry footballer, holder of AI medals, managed at club level. He cancelled training any evening that was wet, claiming that you can't play top class football in bad weather so therefore you can't practice top class football.... Tony enhanced his championship chances last night. His finishing is unbelievable. Jack Savage didn't. There is a huge difference in standard between club and county. Shane Murphy is a much more natural keeper and last night was the difference between winning and losing. No offense, but I totally disagree with that last statement. From my view in the shed, I had the same view as Murphy in second half, on at least four occasions he has options on the terrace side and instead lamped out 50/50 ball stand side which put our defence under unnecessary pressure. His 'soccer keeper punch" was baffling as he had acres of space, time and no Mayo encroachment, in addition the ball would have been chest high if he stayed on his line, this style of defending by a goalie would not promote confidence in an inside line. Again, I'd be picking the Rathmore man, he commands the area better in my opinion, over the last three years he has steadily improved. I just don't see the merits of the Crokes man.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 14, 2022 0:24:37 GMT
I think the Crokes man is a better shot stopper. But I am not mad about his kickouts. I sort of worry about them both to be honest.
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I would'nt change a thing in David's game. I often get the impression that David seriously dislikes winter football. Playing in a downpour in July is completely different to playing in winter. The story goes that a retired Kerry footballer, holder of AI medals, managed at club level. He cancelled training any evening that was wet, claiming that you can't play top class football in bad weather so therefore you can't practice top class football.... Tony enhanced his championship chances last night. His finishing is unbelievable. Jack Savage didn't. There is a huge difference in standard between club and county. Shane Murphy is a much more natural keeper and last night was the difference between winning and losing. No offense, but I totally disagree with that last statement. From my view in the shed, I had the same view as Murphy in second half, on at least four occasions he has options on the terrace side and instead lamped out 50/50 ball stand side which put our defence under unnecessary pressure. His 'soccer keeper punch" was baffling as he had acres of space, time and no Mayo encroachment, in addition the ball would have been chest high if he stayed on his line, this style of defending by a goalie would not promote confidence in an inside line. Again, I'd be picking the Rathmore man, he commands the area better in my opinion, over the last three years he has steadily improved. I just don't see the merits of the Crokes man. 100% horse, Murphy does not inspire confidence whereas Shane Ryan does. Murphys save was more the ball hitting his ribs as he was lying on the ground, that punch of the ball was a disgrace, his kicks were poor over all and you're correct he has no presence. Please God Jack will see sence and put Shane Ryan back in goals for the rest of the year. Tony B was fantastic yesterday, I said earlier in the week that I hoped he'd get a start I had a feeling he was about to give us a massive performance, he has to start against Armagh, I love Geaney but he is now a finisher not a starter. The team is coming together nicely and we can afford to experiment no in the last couple of games before the final, Armagh might beat us but I reckon we'll beat Tyrone handily, they're shocking and we'll more than likely religate them and save the dubs.
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 14, 2022 1:38:57 GMT
I heard Wooly (Colm Parkinson) still slated Kerry on his podcast earlier this evening, saying the following: Kerry are still leaking goal scoring chances but getting away with it. A simple run from deep and handpass over the top unlocks them every time.
Tadgh Morely is a definite sweeper but he's doubling up on players when he should be just protecting the goal. He's not as effective as a sweeper as Kerry need.
Paudie Clifford with 13 on his back this year is being man marked alot more than he was last year when he was playing CHF and Seánie at Full because he now has a corner forwards number. (Even though Paudie was wearing 15 last year which is still a corner forward number).
Jack Barry isn't good enough under kickouts to be kicking the ball long to. David Moran is the answer to Kerrys problems at midfield.
Now I listen to his pod a lot of the time and he makes some good points from time to time but I think Wooly really just wanted to pick on Kerry for the sake of it. He tried to play down the fact that Kerry are the inform team in the country. He seemed to try and nitpick with the new defensive system we have saying Tadgh Morely is no Colm Cavanagh. Also stating Paudie Clifford has no effect on the game unless he has 11 in his back which I think is total nonsense, also does he not know how hard it is to slot Paudie in at 11 when we have the best CHF in the country in SOS. Controversial is what best describes thos guy and that puts it lightly.
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Post by mystic86 on Mar 14, 2022 4:24:04 GMT
I heard Wooly (Colm Parkinson) still slated Kerry on his podcast earlier this evening, saying the following: Kerry are still leaking goal scoring chances but getting away with it. A simple run from deep and handpass over the top unlocks them every time. Tadgh Morely is a definite sweeper but he's doubling up on players when he should be just protecting the goal. He's not as effective as a sweeper as Kerry need. Paudie Clifford with 13 on his back this year is being man marked alot more than he was last year when he was playing CHF and Seánie at Full because he now has a corner forwards number. (Even though Paudie was wearing 15 last year which is still a corner forward number). Jack Barry isn't good enough under kickouts to be kicking the ball long to. David Moran is the answer to Kerrys problems at midfield. Now I listen to his pod a lot of the time and he makes some good points from time to time but I think Wooly really just wanted to pick on Kerry for the sake of it. He tried to play down the fact that Kerry are the inform team in the country. He seemed to try and nitpick with the new defensive system we have saying Tadgh Morely is no Colm Cavanagh. Also stating Paudie Clifford has no effect on the game unless he has 11 in his back which I think is total nonsense, also does he not know how hard it is to slot Paudie in at 11 when we have the best CHF in the country in SOS. Controversial is what best describes thos guy and that puts it lightly. The guy is a complete narcissist and thrives on having 'unique' (mostly nonsense) takes. Can't understand people giving him their hard earned money.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2022 7:15:09 GMT
I think Wooly is an idiot of the highest order except when he talks GAA. I think he is the best pundit out there (and like all of us, gets it wrong sometimes).
It rains in the summer too.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 14, 2022 7:40:02 GMT
I heard Wooly (Colm Parkinson) still slated Kerry on his podcast earlier this evening, saying the following: Kerry are still leaking goal scoring chances but getting away with it. A simple run from deep and handpass over the top unlocks them every time. Tadgh Morely is a definite sweeper but he's doubling up on players when he should be just protecting the goal. He's not as effective as a sweeper as Kerry need. Paudie Clifford with 13 on his back this year is being man marked alot more than he was last year when he was playing CHF and Seánie at Full because he now has a corner forwards number. (Even though Paudie was wearing 15 last year which is still a corner forward number). Jack Barry isn't good enough under kickouts to be kicking the ball long to. David Moran is the answer to Kerrys problems at midfield. Now I listen to his pod a lot of the time and he makes some good points from time to time but I think Wooly really just wanted to pick on Kerry for the sake of it. He tried to play down the fact that Kerry are the inform team in the country. He seemed to try and nitpick with the new defensive system we have saying Tadgh Morely is no Colm Cavanagh. Also stating Paudie Clifford has no effect on the game unless he has 11 in his back which I think is total nonsense, also does he not know how hard it is to slot Paudie in at 11 when we have the best CHF in the country in SOS. Controversial is what best describes thos guy and that puts it lightly. I hope more pundits do the same , we need to get the message to pat spillane as well he is building us up too much! The jacks are back now so let the media talk about them , let people say we are soft let people say whatever they want last thing we need is too much hype/pressure. Dublin will hammer monaghan and Donegal because amazingly even though they are from Ulster they are poor teams. Let us just slip in quietly to the championship thats my wish
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Post by Joxer on Mar 14, 2022 9:15:00 GMT
Both of our goal keepers take a long time over each kick-out. There were players making runs for Shane Murphy to target on Saturday evening but either he doesn't see them or hasn't the confidence to hit them quickly/ accuracy under pressure etc. Personally, I think Shane Ryan is better / slightly ahead but a kick-out strategy with 4 or 5 run options needs developing. Driving it out to midfield with the ball hanging in the air did us few favours on Saturday evening.
Midfield continues to be a problem area. Jack, for all his size, does not impose himself in any way. He scored a point but I think that was more about not having any pass options available. He's frustrating to watch as he has a lot more ability than he's showing. He seems to me to be nervous of making a mistake...and you know what they say about a man that never made a mistake.....
I'd like to see Joe O'Connor or Eanna O'Connchur tried there against Armagh.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 14, 2022 11:07:05 GMT
Kingdomboy We are discussing Clifford not Dublin and if you considered Diarmuid Connolly or Con Ó Callaghan robots then you were nt watching them much. If you enjoy a player missing tap over frees or passing the ball to the opposition that's fine but I don't. I enjoy his ball winni g and his sublime scores but No I don't enjoy simple errors that can cost a team. Did you enjoy his pathetic solo to Tyrone that cost us a goal last year or some of his simple misses v Cork in 2020?.I doubt you did. If it was David Moran he d be slated. Now as I've said before I think David is a superstar but he makes a way more errors than other greats I've seen like Maurice Gooch Canavan McManus etc. no Mick I don't Clifford for a bad solo or for going for the jugular against Cork on a night when you would hardly put a bucket outside the door, it's a 15 man game not a 1 man show and he needs other lads to do their parts as well . I just think you should enjoy David Clifford flaws and all at least he doesn't do the fool like Connolly O'Callaghan is a good player that played to an exact system and no off the cuff like our Clifford. Interesting, I never realised that's what 'Con' was short for until now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 11:19:28 GMT
100% horse, Murphy does not inspire confidence whereas Shane Ryan does. Murphys save was more the ball hitting his ribs as he was lying on the ground, that punch of the ball was a disgrace, his kicks were poor over all and you're correct he has no presence. Please God Jack will see sence and put Shane Ryan back in goals for the rest of the year. Tony B was fantastic yesterday, I said earlier in the week that I hoped he'd get a start I had a feeling he was about to give us a massive performance, he has to start against Armagh, I love Geaney but he is now a finisher not a starter. The team is coming together nicely and we can afford to experiment no in the last couple of games before the final, Armagh might beat us but I reckon we'll beat Tyrone handily, they're shocking and we'll more than likely religate them and save the dubs. A goal keeper comes off his line, makes himself big and pulls off a good save down to his left and it's described as... "Murphys save was more the ball hitting his ribs as he was lying on the ground," Can you tell me what you would have liked him to have done? People sure do make some crazy statements to back up an entrenched position. The fault with kickouts is being laid at the feet of Murphy yet no credit is being given to the Mayo MF which were in control and the Mayo press on the kickouts. Granted Murphy could have varied his kickouts from time to time but the lack of movement and a midfielder who could field a kick out didn't help. Would Shane Ryan have made a difference with his kickouts... I think not. Watching back the short kick out in the first half that resulted in a point it can be clearly seen that BO'B is rooted to the spot does not attack the ball, basic underage football coaching tells you to attack a ball and never wait for it. All teams struggle with a press on their kick out, even the great Cluxton. having watched the game back last night I must apologise as Shane Murphy did indeed make a fine save and it wasnt him lying on the ground and getting hit with the ball. I still feel he's the wrong man for the job though and I still feel Shane Ryan is better than him. Murphy will be up against a big forward unit on Sunday and Armagh are a team that like to pump high ball into the square, let's see will he catch or punch the next day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 11:23:14 GMT
no Mick I don't Clifford for a bad solo or for going for the jugular against Cork on a night when you would hardly put a bucket outside the door, it's a 15 man game not a 1 man show and he needs other lads to do their parts as well . I just think you should enjoy David Clifford flaws and all at least he doesn't do the fool like Connolly O'Callaghan is a good player that played to an exact system and no off the cuff like our Clifford. Interesting, I never realised that's what 'Con' was short for until now damn those little full dots comma thingys 😂
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2022 11:29:18 GMT
Winning without SOS a plus too.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 14, 2022 11:49:35 GMT
Mick iv said it to you before that you've been watching the dublin robots a bit too much over the Last 10/12 years, the dubs players will play a system that limits skill but you'll get results from it, for me football should be intertaining and nobody in the world knows what Clifford will do when he gets the ball and that's exciting and I say long may it last. The best part of Clifford unpredictability is. Its hard for teams to nail him down. Please sit back and enjoy David Clifford, let him be himself as he won't be around for ever and the game needs mavericks after 8 years of dublin robot wars. The rhetoric of Dublin robots died in the noughties. In the 2010s, if you think Bernard Brogan, Paul Mannion, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly and Con O'Callaghan were robots, it smacks of bitterness. They were all very skillful, talented forwards. In the noughties, the Dubs had to sit back and watch Kerry win 5 All-Irelands, and much as they hated it, they would all be in agreement of their admiration for the talents of Maurice Fitz, Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan amongst others, so it's only fair to give their players due recognition also. Yes, from 2018 on, their possession game came to the fore, but that doesn't discount their talented forwards.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 14, 2022 12:02:29 GMT
Mick iv said it to you before that you've been watching the dublin robots a bit too much over the Last 10/12 years, the dubs players will play a system that limits skill but you'll get results from it, for me football should be intertaining and nobody in the world knows what Clifford will do when he gets the ball and that's exciting and I say long may it last. The best part of Clifford unpredictability is. Its hard for teams to nail him down. Please sit back and enjoy David Clifford, let him be himself as he won't be around for ever and the game needs mavericks after 8 years of dublin robot wars. The rhetoric of Dublin robots died in the noughties. In the 2010s, if you think Bernard Brogan, Paul Mannion, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly and Con O'Callaghan were robots, it smacks of bitterness. They were all very skillful, talented forwards. In the noughties, the Dubs had to sit back and watch Kerry win 5 All-Irelands, and much as they hated it, they would all be in agreement of their admiration for the talents of Maurice Fitz, Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan amongst others, so it's only fair to give their players due recognition also. Yes, from 2018 on, their possession game came to the fore, but that doesn't discount their talented forwards. Spot on.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 14, 2022 12:59:17 GMT
Don't tell me watching Dublin forward play stirred the soul?
Kilkenny must be one of the ugliest kickers of a ball I have ever seen.
I say that as someone who would rather their All-Ireland victories than winning the style stakes.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 14, 2022 13:13:07 GMT
I heard Wooly (Colm Parkinson) still slated Kerry on his podcast earlier this evening, saying the following: Kerry are still leaking goal scoring chances but getting away with it. A simple run from deep and handpass over the top unlocks them every time. Tadgh Morely is a definite sweeper but he's doubling up on players when he should be just protecting the goal. He's not as effective as a sweeper as Kerry need. Paudie Clifford with 13 on his back this year is being man marked alot more than he was last year when he was playing CHF and Seánie at Full because he now has a corner forwards number. (Even though Paudie was wearing 15 last year which is still a corner forward number). Jack Barry isn't good enough under kickouts to be kicking the ball long to. David Moran is the answer to Kerrys problems at midfield. Now I listen to his pod a lot of the time and he makes some good points from time to time but I think Wooly really just wanted to pick on Kerry for the sake of it. He tried to play down the fact that Kerry are the inform team in the country. He seemed to try and nitpick with the new defensive system we have saying Tadgh Morely is no Colm Cavanagh. Also stating Paudie Clifford has no effect on the game unless he has 11 in his back which I think is total nonsense, also does he not know how hard it is to slot Paudie in at 11 when we have the best CHF in the country in SOS. Controversial is what best describes thos guy and that puts it lightly. I haven't listened to the podcast but I would agree with a lot of what Parkinson says. While our defence has certainly improved this year we gave up a few goal chances against Mayo & Dublin in particular. Not so sure on Paudie Clifford but he's definitely more of a marked man this year.
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Post by horsebox77 on Mar 14, 2022 14:15:12 GMT
PercentagePlay "Can you tell me what you would have liked him to have done?"
Varied some kick out towards the terrace side. On one occasion Graham and Stephen had a 2v1 and Graham is no slouch. Both called and call was ignored.
On the soccer style punch, maybe I'm a gaa dinosaur, but what would Diarmuid Murphy, Declan O'Keeffe, Charlie etc have done .. come to the edge of six yard box, take chest high and either kick or handpass out.. certain aspects of the game have changed however ball control and basic positional sense haven't.
A similar ball came in during the McGrath Cup that hopped over the bar. For me put simply -does he command the square and in still confidence... for me unfort not, but in saying that, the current goalkeeping coach didn't either in my eyes when he was between the sticks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 14:59:40 GMT
Mick iv said it to you before that you've been watching the dublin robots a bit too much over the Last 10/12 years, the dubs players will play a system that limits skill but you'll get results from it, for me football should be intertaining and nobody in the world knows what Clifford will do when he gets the ball and that's exciting and I say long may it last. The best part of Clifford unpredictability is. Its hard for teams to nail him down. Please sit back and enjoy David Clifford, let him be himself as he won't be around for ever and the game needs mavericks after 8 years of dublin robot wars. The rhetoric of Dublin robots died in the noughties. In the 2010s, if you think Bernard Brogan, Paul Mannion, Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly and Con O'Callaghan were robots, it smacks of bitterness. They were all very skillful, talented forwards. In the noughties, the Dubs had to sit back and watch Kerry win 5 All-Irelands, and much as they hated it, they would all be in agreement of their admiration for the talents of Maurice Fitz, Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan amongst others, so it's only fair to give their players due recognition also. Yes, from 2018 on, their possession game came to the fore, but that doesn't discount their talented forwards. there is a reason Jim gavin always used the words like the "process" it's because they stuck to a "rigid robotic system" hand passing over and back, Kilkenny sprinting back in to his own half to pass to cluxtin who'd pass it straight back and then he'd spint back out to the 65 trying to draw out the other teams defence, MDMC looked like he was swimming up the pitch and looked like he was using the ball like a big yoyo. I make no apology for my comments on dublins style of play it was poor from my neutral point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 15:00:47 GMT
PercentagePlay "Can you tell me what you would have liked him to have done?" Varied some kick out towards the terrace side. On one occasion Graham and Stephen had a 2v1 and Graham is no slouch. Both called and call was ignored. On the soccer style punch, maybe I'm a gaa dinosaur, but what would Diarmuid Murphy, Declan O'Keeffe, Charlie etc have done .. come to the edge of six yard box, take chest high and either kick or handpass out.. certain aspects of the game have changed however ball control and basic positional sense haven't. A similar ball came in during the McGrath Cup that hopped over the bar. For me put simply -does he command the square and in still confidence... for me unfort not, but in saying that, the current goalkeeping coach didn't either in my eyes when he was between the sticks. That punch of the ball was pure Keally wasn't it?
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mike70
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Post by mike70 on Mar 14, 2022 15:15:47 GMT
Is there something in the water, the Dubs won 6 in a row, with some of the best footballers of a generation, let’s give credit where it’s due, we gave them our best shot but came up short .
The comment on Kilkenny I can’t understand , if he kicked with any other parts of his body what did it matter, I reckon one of the highest conversion rates in gaa, with 7 all ireland , 5 NFL and 5 all star, all I can say is your view is yours but I tip my hat to the guy, throw in a cruciate injury as well, might have shortened his kicking style😂😂😂.
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