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Post by kot on Feb 28, 2022 16:32:57 GMT
With this new inflated season structure coming in and the already gaping hole with respect to live match updates (2 live games on terrestial tv all weekend, 3 if you include the BBC coverage of Down Vs. Roscommon), is the time now for the GAA to insist on whoever carries their coverage rights to have a "red-zone" style programme for match days?
Wonder what they would call it? "The Large Parallelogram"?
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Post by veteran on Feb 28, 2022 16:52:32 GMT
Thanks to all who reported on the match. I listened to Radio Kerry while watching Kildare/Dublin game on TV with the sound turned down. I do not want Dublin to be relegated . The loss of Kerry/Dublin NFL clashes would leave a void in our lives . On the other hand delighted for Kildare . One could not but be moved by the uncontrolled joy of their management at the victory.
Thanks to Radio Kerry as always for keeping us tuned in.
Back to Kerry. Delighted to hear that our midfielders returned to form .
I am also delighted that Tony Brosnan displayed food form. I am a huge fan of a player in the full forward line whose first instinct is to go for a score rather than “unselfishly” passing to a colleague. “Unselfishly” in this instance too often means not having the gumption to go for a score. I feel if Jack starts him for the remaining NFL games we will get a good return on that investment in the championship.
Ambrose and Tim were mystified when Adrian was replaced so early in the second with the two boys hinting that Adrian was not happy with the situation. Perhaps , fellows at the game might like to give their views on that substitution.
I am sorry to hear that Dan O’Donoghue had to come off . The Radio Kerry lads seemed to miss that. Some here seem to suggest that the injury may have been deliberately inflicted? Perhaps I am misinterpreting their comments.
Kerrybhoy commented on the treatment Sean O’Shea is getting off the ball. I saw plenty of that in Tralee and Killarney and indeed Sean got a yellow card for that treatment in the Killarney game! Strange old world. I suppose he is perceived as the conductor of the attack. On the other hand he has become physically very powerful and should be able to withstand most of that abuse although I am sure he would appreciate some help from the officials.
I can understand the wisdom of replacing Dylan after his yellow card. It is a shame that he had to come off and I hope he is retained for the Mayo game.
Reference has been made once more to the lucky goal/s David got . Keep scoring those lucky goals, David.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 28, 2022 17:22:23 GMT
Maybe I missed something as I was a bit away from it but I didn't see Dan O'Donoghue go off.
If it was the incident at the end which saw a Kerry player receive treatment for a number of minutes then he rejoined the game after.
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Post by southward on Feb 28, 2022 17:30:00 GMT
Maybe I missed something as I was a bit away from it but I didn't see Dan O'Donoghue go off. If it was the incident at the end which saw a Kerry player receive treatment for a number of minutes then he rejoined the game after. No mention in Jack's interviews of anyone injured so hopefully it's ok. |
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Post by southward on Feb 28, 2022 17:32:06 GMT
I do not want Dublin to be relegated . The loss of Kerry/Dublin NFL clashes would leave a void in our lives . That's very true. Tralee under lights vs the Dubs is a great occasion. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 28, 2022 17:32:41 GMT
Maybe I missed something as I was a bit away from it but I didn't see Dan O'Donoghue go off. If it was the incident at the end which saw a Kerry player receive treatment for a number of minutes then he rejoined the game after. He was helped off by the doctor and physio and didn't come back on. I don't think we had any subs left to put on either. Anyway the game was almost over at that stage. |
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Post by fitz on Feb 28, 2022 17:39:38 GMT
It might be too small a sample size but could Paddy Tally be making a difference already in improving Kerry's defense? I guess that won't be answered properly until the Summer in Croke Park. Was just thinking about this , a lot of it is playing Morley and beaglaoich in their rightful positions. Morley in particular has been superb I had nearly forgotten how good of a centre back he was previously other than that the addition of a bit of dog in a.spillane in half forward line has been important also just a better balance I'm not sure it's anything too systematic just the right players in their best positions. Before bally gets on to me Jason foley has been very solid aswell. There is now more competition in the backs than the forwards in my opinion. I think Morley has centre back position to lose. Excellent yesterday. Swept nicely and doesn't get turned over. He's a bit crafty as well. Saw him dragging some poor Monaghan lad away up the left half forward position in second half  |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 28, 2022 17:43:51 GMT
Maybe I missed something as I was a bit away from it but I didn't see Dan O'Donoghue go off. If it was the incident at the end which saw a Kerry player receive treatment for a number of minutes then he rejoined the game after. He was helped off by the doctor and physio and didn't come back on. I don't think we had any subs left to put on either. Anyway the game was almost over at that stage. Was that the incident were the stretcher was brought out ? I swore he walked that off... I must be going blind. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Feb 28, 2022 18:03:57 GMT
Did nt see what happened Dan but hope he ok.The stretcher was brought out for Foley but he did nt need it.Seanie was getting a bit of attention off the ball yesterday but it was nt too bad.Seanie well able for it.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 28, 2022 18:06:58 GMT
Did nt see what happened Dan but hope he ok.The stretcher was brought out for Foley but he did nt need it.Seanie was getting a bit of attention off the ball yesterday but it was nt too bad.Seanie well able for it. Ahh ok don't know how I missed the Dan incident. |
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Post by Joxer on Feb 28, 2022 18:48:44 GMT
Veteran, I think the sole reason ( and Jack spoke with Adrian on the sideline for a minute after he came off) for Adrian’s substitution was that he was on a yellow card and clearly being watched by the referee. I thought at the time that he would eventually be sent off …not for anything particularly untoward but maybe a loose/poor tackle. He was playing very well and beginning to cement his position in the half forward line I think.
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Post by veteran on Feb 28, 2022 20:18:40 GMT
Veteran, I think the sole reason ( and Jack spoke with Adrian on the sideline for a minute after he came off) for Adrian’s substitution was that he was on a yellow card and clearly being watched by the referee. I thought at the time that he would eventually be sent off …not for anything particularly untoward but maybe a loose/poor tackle. He was playing very well and beginning to cement his position in the half forward line I think. Thanks for that explanation Joxer. Ambrose and Tim did not appear to be aware of that yellow card. There was a time when I was a big fan of Adrian but as time progressed I got annoyed with him because of his habit of unnecessarily getting involved off the ball with silly pushing etc which in my view , as I wrote here before , resulted only in him losing concentration. He seems to have largely dispensed with that nonsense this season and clearly his performances have significantly improved as a result. Perhaps , Jack had a quiet word. |
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Post by Joxer on Feb 28, 2022 20:29:54 GMT
Veteran, The yellow card came half way through the first half as I recall and was his 'third offence' as pointed out by the referee to him at the time. I didn't think any of the offences were significant but I guess when your being watched for whatever reason, its only a matter of time. He was playing very well and it was a pity to see him go off but probably understandable decision in the circumstances. I'd imagine he'll start again against Mayo as he deserves it. I know what you mean about the needless pushing but that appears to be largely gone it seems. Definitely ruins concentration on his main role if he gets involved in that.
Overall, a good team performance yesterday. Best of the league so far. Looking forward to the Mayo game now!....will likely give us all a clearer picture of where we are at. Jack building nicely it seems to me at this point.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 28, 2022 20:52:33 GMT
Veteran, I think the sole reason ( and Jack spoke with Adrian on the sideline for a minute after he came off) for Adrian’s substitution was that he was on a yellow card and clearly being watched by the referee. I thought at the time that he would eventually be sent off …not for anything particularly untoward but maybe a loose/poor tackle. He was playing very well and beginning to cement his position in the half forward line I think. Thanks for that explanation Joxer. Ambrose and Tim did not appear to be aware of that yellow card. There was a time when I was a big fan of Adrian but as time progressed I got annoyed with him because of his habit of unnecessarily getting involved off the ball with silly pushing etc which in my view , as I wrote here before , resulted only in him losing concentration. He seems to have largely dispensed with that nonsense this season and clearly his performances have significantly improved as a result. Perhaps , Jack had a quiet word. Jack O'C did say he just wanted 'em on their toes, maybe younger fellas are trying too hard and need to be tempered a bit, controlled aggression. Everyone knows that to a man they are giving it their all, it is only to themselves they have anything to prove, sometimes mankind can be his own worst enemy. |
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Post by mike70 on Feb 28, 2022 21:02:07 GMT
What I like about kerry at the moment, is they seem to be enjoying there football and that the bench is getting emptied each game, be it late some times.
On the Morley point, he should always have been our CB, one poor game should not condemn you to the bench, he is physical, can read the game well, as well as holds the position well.
Jack also said they have no hard training done as of yet, so we have more in the tank come the championship, seems to be all positive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 21:15:49 GMT
It might be too small a sample size but could Paddy Tally be making a difference already in improving Kerry's defense? I guess that won't be answered properly until the Summer in Croke Park. You are correct - it will be the summer before we find out the answer to that. It's weather for backs at the moment. A knock out game in Croke Park in the summer against Dublin, Mayo, Tyrone will be the acid test to see what, if any, improvement has been made. What I have noticed is that the likes not Begley, Foley and White are so much stronger than they were in 2019. McGahans work appears to be paying off. Of the three you mentioned, it is O Beaglaoich that is the most noticeable. He has added real power and physicality to his game. He doesn’t just look stronger, he is stronger. The others are naturally bigger men and it is expected to some extent. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 28, 2022 21:32:09 GMT
On current displays some players are becoming key assetts and cementing their name to jerseys that may have previously been up for grabs.
Example of our backs on current form, Foley and Tom Sull are guaranteed, Tadgh is also for me nailed on at Centre Back. O'Beagleoich too is showing form and has a tight grip on a wing jersey. That leaves one for corner berth and one wing, which I take it White will occupy.
Similarly up front, the current half forward line for me has the look of a championship trio, with the Fossa boys calling two of the inside line, that leave one spot up for grabs between Geaney, Spillane and Brosnan.
Taking lack of game time due to injuries into consideration, it looks like the Na Gaeil duo will man the centre with an injury free returning mid fielder coming 9n if required in the last quarter.
No matter what way we look at it, our C'ship XV is taking shape
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 28, 2022 22:22:51 GMT
Great to see a bit of order being put on the team and lads being played in positions / roles most suited to them. Adrian Spillane has had a great league and while he was an average midfielder he has really grown into the role on the wing. It positive as well to see Diarmuid get a sustained run at midfield as opposed to being moved to the half forwards etc.
Jack always had a penchant for playing a 2 man inside line with a man coming out deeper to link things up. Looks like Paudie Clifford will be that man. On all indications so far Morley will be the man at centre back. With O'Beaglaoich making the jersey his own it seems the other wing back spot is between: Murphy, Crowley and White. I presume white will get the nod. Once we can get Moran and Joe O'Connor firing again we have a bit of depth in the squad in all lines of the field.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 28, 2022 22:27:34 GMT
On current displays some players are becoming key assetts and cementing their name to jerseys that may have previously been up for grabs. Example of our backs on current form, Foley and Tom Sull are guaranteed, Tadgh is also for me nailed on at Centre Back. O'Beagleoich too is showing form and has a tight grip on a wing jersey. That leaves one for corner berth and one wing, which I take it White will occupy. Similarly up front, the current half forward line for me has the look of a championship trio, with the Fossa boys calling two of the inside line, that leave one spot up for grabs between Geaney, Spillane and Brosnan. Taking lack of game time due to injuries into consideration, it looks like the Na Gaeil duo will man the centre with an injury free returning mid fielder coming 9n if required in the last quarter. No matter what way we look at it, our C'ship XV is taking shape I agree, there won’t be too many changes for championship as what we have now is going well. Dan O’Donoghue based on performances to date has the other corner back spot I think. I rate Mike Breen very highly, but unfortunately he has and is going to miss so much with that injury he’ll find it very difficult to get back in. If Tony Brosnan continues to perform like he did against Monaghan then there could be a tough decision to be made between himself and Geaney who has also done very well so far this year. Killian Spillane has slipped behind both I feel in the battle for a starting spot because he seems to only play for parts of games which makes him more effective from the bench. Jack Barry if he performs like he did against Dublin and Donegal (poor enough) could be replaced by Joe O’Connor but hopefully we will see Barry playing at a higher level which he seemed to start to do a bit more against Monaghan. Moran probably won’t see any league action which along with the performances of Diarmuid O’Connor make it more likely it’ll be a second half role for him this year. |
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Post by tpo on Feb 28, 2022 22:51:50 GMT
I've only seen Joe O Connor play club, why do people think him a county midfielder without seeing him play a few game at that level ?
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Post by thehermit on Feb 28, 2022 22:55:05 GMT
Yes there is a very settled look to Kerry now and few enough weaknesses which is great. Jack's inconsistency is a concern in the middle and agree about Killian too not showing a 70min performance. I always rated Tadgh and I'm delighted he's motoring so well. Same with O'Beaglaoich who I think should keep the jersey. If Dan keeps up his form for the rest of the campaign and you take Tom and Jason as guarantees then that's your defence right there with a spot for White to reclaim once he's back from injury. I actually thought Crowley did well too yesterday and scored a beauty of a score so he's pushing too which is great. Look its still Feb and we've played the worst teams form wise but still there's a lot to be very positive about as to how this squad are shaping up. The next two matches will tell us so much more as we face the two best teams in D1 on successive weekends. I'd like to see us start our strongest 15 against Mayo and threat it like its the biggest game of the League, go all out for a confidence boasting win and put Mayo on their arse a little. Then its a tricky trip up to Armagh against a team that know how to score and will be another great test for the defence. My only concern at present is Lent's impending arrival which means its off the drink for 40 days. That was a far easier sacrifice the last two years when there was no matches to be going to. It will be hard to be in Baileys or Paddy Macs the night Mayo are in town and only supping water. I might give that Guinness zero a go, someone was telling me it wasn't the worst thing they've tatsed  |
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Post by veteran on Feb 28, 2022 23:01:27 GMT
The upcoming Kerry/Mayo game could be the game of the NFL. They have a a fairly good record against us recently in this competition. Also Mayo seem to have taken a serious dislike to Kerry since that 2014 game in Limerick .
James Horan seems to be doing a lot of experimenting in the NFL and with a lot of success. I wonder will Jack shuffle things around a bit now that division one status is guaranteed. I suspect not.
I have being trying to recollect Tadgh Morley’s inter county career without too much success., I think EF introduced him as a wing back? Prior to his latest incarnation as a CHB was he previously tried there for any length of time? With his current success in that position it would have seen an obvious place for him some years ago rather than in the full back line. Of course the number three spot was problematic as well so he was really a stop gap measure there.
In any case , I am a bit hazy about Tadgh’s intercounty career. Maybe somebody could help me.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 28, 2022 23:02:55 GMT
I've only seen Joe O Connor play club, why do people think him a county midfielder without seeing him play a few game at that level ? Yes I agree but his club form against Kerry panel players has been impressive. It's a pity Moran getting injured robbed us of a present vs future clash in the county final. Time will tell eventually. However we are light on options for back up considering Spillane may occupy a wing berth. The likes of Mark Foley and Liam Kearney never pushed on. I'm guessing but fear Jack may use Moran like Mayo use O'Shea.. last quarter in to win primary ball and keep it simple. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 28, 2022 23:12:07 GMT
I've only seen Joe O Connor play club, why do people think him a county midfielder without seeing him play a few game at that level ? Well he has earned the right to league minutes based on his club performances. We’ll have to see how he does after that but he has a lot of strong attributes that could be moulded to a role. He came on in a good few league games last year so wasn’t too far away then. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 28, 2022 23:20:21 GMT
I have being trying to recollect Tadgh Morley’s inter county career without too much success., I think EF introduced him as a wing back? Prior to his latest incarnation as a CHB was he previously tried there for any length of time? With his current success in that position it would have seen an obvious place for him some years ago rather than in the full back line. Of course the number three spot was problematic as well so he was really a stop gap measure there. In any case , I am a bit hazy about Tadgh’s intercounty career. Maybe somebody could help me. He started out at wing back in 2016. Then in 2017 league and championship he was excellent at centre back. He missed the league in 2018, but returned to play centre back in Munster before being unavailable for the super 8s. Then once Peter Keane came in he was redeployed to full back. He was an outstanding centre back around 17 and 18, I remember he had a brilliant performance marking Kilkenny when we beat Dublin in the league final. I was worried that he had lot a bit of pace/mobility since his move into the full back line but I’m delighted to see him going so well. It’s vital to have a good, dependable centre back. Up until the Dublin league game last year he was regarded as our best back along with Tom O’Sullivan before being harshly dropped, it’s great to see how he has come back from that setback this year. |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 28, 2022 23:51:37 GMT
I might be completely disremembering but, I can recall Tadhg going to centre back against Tyrone in 19 when Jason was taken off and we rijigged the defence.
From what I remember he had a massive game picking up breaks and blocking the ball into McShane.
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Post by john4 on Mar 1, 2022 0:00:09 GMT
I have being trying to recollect Tadgh Morley’s inter county career without too much success., I think EF introduced him as a wing back? Prior to his latest incarnation as a CHB was he previously tried there for any length of time? With his current success in that position it would have seen an obvious place for him some years ago rather than in the full back line. Of course the number three spot was problematic as well so he was really a stop gap measure there. In any case , I am a bit hazy about Tadgh’s intercounty career. Maybe somebody could help me. He started out at wing back in 2016. Then in 2017 league and championship he was excellent at centre back. He missed the league in 2018, but returned to play centre back in Munster before being unavailable for the super 8s. Then once Peter Keane came in he was redeployed to full back. He was an outstanding centre back around 17 and 18, I remember he had a brilliant performance marking Kilkenny when we beat Dublin in the league final. I was worried that he had lot a bit of pace/mobility since his move into the full back line but I’m delighted to see him going so well. It’s vital to have a good, dependable centre back. Up until the Dublin league game last year he was regarded as our best back along with Tom O’Sullivan before being harshly dropped, it’s great to see how he has come back from that setback this year. My first memory of Tadhg Morley playing for Kerry he played at left half back against Clare in a Munster championship match in Killarney not sure the year, possibly '16 |
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 1, 2022 0:06:54 GMT
On Veteran's point about Dublin, if they go down and they took a major step in that direction yesterday, I think they will bounce straight back up in one season.
Tony Brosnan is an unbelievable finisher with a consistently high score rate. When it comes to getting on the championship team, as well as being a good forward managers also want a spread of other attributes a player will bring such as speed, strength, work rate, fielding. Tony is a very similar player to David. This may cost Tony. If he keeps playing well he might leave Jack with no choice.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 1, 2022 0:09:20 GMT
Lads, the very excellent terracetalk.com has a great history section with team lineouts, scorers and all that.
Just click on “Kerry Football” near the top right-hand corner and work from the drop-down menu.
The selections are: Games by Year, Kerry Players, Kerry GAA Clubs, Kerry Junior Players, Kerry U21 Players, and Kerry Minor Players.
For veteran, here is Tadhg Morley’s senior career so far:
2016: Played wing back in all 4 championship games. Did not feature in the league.
2017: In the league he played midfield in first game, wing back in next two, and center half back for the remaining 5 games. In the championship, he played center half back in all 5 games.
2018: League action was limited to one appearance as a sub in game 7 v Tyrone. In the championship he started at center half back for the first two games (Clare and Cork) and his only other appearance was as a sub v Kildare in game 5.
2019: In the league he played wing back in the first 3 games, was a sub in game 4 and was full back in game 6 v Mayo. Championship saw Tadhg full back for all 8 games.
2020: Full back for all 7 league games and full back for the 1 championship game.
2021: Full back for the first 2 league games (Galway and Dublin) plus sub v Roscommon, when he got a quick red card. Was a used sub in all 4 Championship games.
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