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Post by dc84 on Feb 16, 2022 11:05:22 GMT
Doubt it, Mick, I think that's all changed. Didn't some Dublin player get one in the O'Byrne Cup but was still eligible for the league? - maybe banned for an O'Byrne Cup game next year. I'd imagine this is the same. I think the suspension only carries over in the same competition. Which is right in fairness unless something really untoward happens like assaulting a ref
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Post by mike70 on Feb 16, 2022 11:53:45 GMT
Can’t see any change to the team that lined out against dublin, bar injury or that management decide to give David a break ahead of the Sigerson final. I think consistency in team selection is important, but I do believe we need some guys still to be tested, a great victory against Dublin, but in fairness, they were off the mark a bit, but Sunday test should be good and the remaining league games will also be competitive, it will allow management make tweaks as we figure out our best 15, but it’s also important to get the subs on in time, I did think in the dublin game the subs were too late and our intensity dropped off.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 16, 2022 12:40:06 GMT
Can’t see any change to the team that lined out against dublin, bar injury or that management decide to give David a break ahead of the Sigerson final. I think consistency in team selection is important, but I do believe we need some guys still to be tested, a great victory against Dublin, but in fairness, they were off the mark a bit, but Sunday test should be good and the remaining league games will also be competitive, it will allow management make tweaks as we figure out our best 15, but it’s also important to get the subs on in time, I did think in the dublin game the subs were too late and our intensity dropped off. Sigerson Final is tonight TG4.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 16, 2022 12:54:09 GMT
Was drawn Dgal vs Kerry game in July 2019 the last great match? Certainly the best match that year as I recall, maybe they will take up where they left off?
Now maybe it's me with a foot in both camps both but I sense something special being served up for Sunday lunch in Cill Airne.
Two notable tourist counties and while Kerry know how to look after our guests, Dgal are good at leaving tips after a belly full. Fair exchange is no robbery and both sets of management have it all to proove!
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Post by mike70 on Feb 16, 2022 13:01:59 GMT
Can’t see any change to the team that lined out against dublin, bar injury or that management decide to give David a break ahead of the Sigerson final. I think consistency in team selection is important, but I do believe we need some guys still to be tested, a great victory against Dublin, but in fairness, they were off the mark a bit, but Sunday test should be good and the remaining league games will also be competitive, it will allow management make tweaks as we figure out our best 15, but it’s also important to get the subs on in time, I did think in the dublin game the subs were too late and our intensity dropped off. Sigerson Final is tonight TG4. 100%, what I meant is after the endeavours of the final and potentially the celebrations.😂
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 16, 2022 14:06:43 GMT
Sigerson Final is tonight TG4. 100%, what I meant is after the endeavours of the final and potentially the celebrations.😂 Donegal have regressed since 2019. I'm surprised that Boner has kept his job there. They are still too reliant on Murphy. I think Kerry have improved since they last met in championship and should win on Sunday.
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Post by 63587614 on Feb 16, 2022 14:45:31 GMT
Will Jack Savage have a role and more importantly make the champ team
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 16, 2022 15:58:27 GMT
Yeah the Kerry Donegal 19 super 8s clash was a thriller. The 14 final was a borefest for the neutral.Just delighted to win that final but we were poor. Donegal outscored us 12 to 11 but we got two very lucky goals. We only scored 9vpoibtsvsame as 2015 final and that's poor. I always had to smile at the narrative of our first goal sayi g it was well planned to isolate Geaney on Paddy McGrath.The ball only landed in Geaney hands by accident as Stephen Ó Brien s point attempt was half blocked and it fell short. Donaghy goal again came from a horrendous mistake by Paul Durcan with his short kickout. Fair play to Star and Paul but our luck was in that day. On Sundays game I'd say Michael Murphy might struggle to play but it could be low scoring as weather forecast is not good. If they bring Murphy down from Donegal then you'd have to wonder about player welfare. Surely when so much depends on him that you wrap him in cotton wool and keep him for the summer.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2022 16:13:31 GMT
Yeah the Kerry Donegal 19 super 8s clash was a thriller. I agree. A brilliant contest.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 16, 2022 20:24:41 GMT
Yeah the Kerry Donegal 19 super 8s clash was a thriller. The 14 final was a borefest for the neutral.Just delighted to win that final but we were poor. Donegal outscored us 12 to 11 but we got two very lucky goals. We only scored 9vpoibtsvsame as 2015 final and that's poor. I always had to smile at the narrative of our first goal sayi g it was well planned to isolate Geaney on Paddy McGrath.The ball only landed in Geaney hands by accident as Stephen Ó Brien s point attempt was half blocked and it fell short. Donaghy goal again came from a horrendous mistake by Paul Durcan with his short kickout. Fair play to Star and Paul but our luck was in that day. On Sundays game I'd say Michael Murphy might struggle to play but it could be low scoring as weather forecast is not good. Both goals were as a direct result of tactics we deployed and so were accidents waiting to happen. JO'D took Neil Magee on a pub crawl and so their last line of defence was without it's enforcer. Goal No 2 was 100% as an intended consequence of our tight marking eliminating his long-ball options and then the sun forced the err - with big KD loitering with intent there was only going to be one outcome. We also targeted their key men, e.g. aforementioned Magee, Murphy and Ryan McHugh, latter nailed that hat-trick vs Dubs in previous game only to be nailed into substitution by our rookie MOTM Paul Murphy. Mick Finucane pointed to our young players being our only hope on Up For The Match and so us Ballydonoghoors had a very enjoyable afternoon texting 'we told you so.' Ah yes we had the spirits and the Gods were with us and which probably crowned it with the 2 near goal misses, firstly with young Jiggers and then hitting the post at the death. We have watched it a few times up here such that I could now write a book on it. Bonnar was not expected to deliver by many but he hasn't don't too bad so far with team taking the flack for what in fairness was a few poor on the field performances. The Red Herring to me in Rochford, a man who almost toppled the Dubs and I'd sense he'd like to oust Bonnar but that will hardly happen IMO. I think Murphy is presently playing a key management role and will want to play an increasingly bigger one as his hairline recedes.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 16, 2022 20:59:07 GMT
Anyone with even a passing interest in hurling will know that Gearoid Hegarty has crossed the line badly a few times over the past two years. He is a marked man now with refs and rightly so. Anyway, back to the point that Eamon Sweeney makes about KK....are there a few on the Kerry side that havent gone to the next level even though they have been on the panel 3 or 4 years? Yip but Galway had Hegarty leave the ref with no option, I think it is fair to say they got the better of him and he lashed out with frustration, they knew he played at the edge and so tipped him over the line. He is a horse of a man and is hard to ref in that one must distinguish between fouling and strength - if a normal laddo had buckos flying away from him like Hegarty they would see red but it is generally raw strength and I'd say refs are in no doubt about this, either by their own intuition or whatever. He is near impossible to mark ala wan Jonah Lomu. He is the kind of player we need and the only question is, are they there or are they being overlooked for silky skilled laddos who will taken asunder by hardy bucks like Gearóid. Maybe we, an indeed all counties, need to copy the Treaty blueprint while also scanning The Red Handy boyo methodology, otherwise we will join Maigh Eo in the nearly Tier of also rans.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 17, 2022 8:40:24 GMT
Anyone with even a passing interest in hurling will know that Gearoid Hegarty has crossed the line badly a few times over the past two years. He is a marked man now with refs and rightly so. Anyway, back to the point that Eamon Sweeney makes about KK....are there a few on the Kerry side that havent gone to the next level even though they have been on the panel 3 or 4 years? So that’s the crop that came in in 2018 under Fitzmaurice and three or four others who came in in 2019. You’re looking at Shane Ryan, Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White, Gavin Crowley, Diarmuid O’Connor, Dara Moynihan, Sean O’Shea, Killian Spillane and David Clifford. 5 of them I would class as our best players now along with Paudie. 3 others are likely starters and very good players but not top class as of now, as we would have hoped for when they came in. The remaining 2 are strong subs. It’s difficult to answer your question though, if we’re talking of a starting All Ireland winning level I do think a lot of them are at that level which is positive but of course they have to go out and do it. I would highly recommend having a look at that 2019 game v Donegal. A fews obs A super open game well reffed by Paddy Neilan. So much has changed in 3 years. Back then there was no stupid offensive mark. Also a black card meant that you were gone for the whole game and a sub was allowed. GW was having a super game till his black card ...he slipped while pulling a jersey and pulled his man down...very unlucky. The main point i want to make is just how good SOB was in 2019. 3 points from play and lots of other good stuff including defensive covering...he was unlucky with giving away the peno as he stood his ground and the attacker ran at him. Killian Spillane was starved of possession yet got 3 points..none of them easy. Jason popped up to fist a point. I forgot that. Geaney got 1.04. He was very good even if he missed a lot too. The following have improved since 2019 David Clifford Tom Sullivan (he was very good that day too) Diarmaid oConnor The following were playing better in 2019 than they played in 2021 Paul Murphy Gavin Crowley Adrian Spillane Sean oShea Killian Spillane SOS Paul Geaney If those 6 could find form again Kerry would take a lot of beating Kerry: S Ryan; J Foley (0-01), T Morley, T O’Sullivan (0-01); P Murphy (0-01), G Crowley, G White; A Spillane, D O’Connor; Enright, S O’Shea (0-04, 3f), K Spillane (0-03); D Clifford (0-03, 1f), P Geaney (1-04), S O’Brien (0-03). Subs: J Lyne for White (BC 34), J Sherwood for O’Connor (43), M Griffin for Enright (55), G O’Sullivan for Crowley (62), M Burns for A Spillane (68), T O Se for K Spillane (72) ;lofr the vwas
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Post by baurtregaum on Feb 17, 2022 11:18:37 GMT
Agree If Stephen Ó Brien hits form again it would be a big plus. The best performance our forwards gave in last few years was munster final v Cork in 18.Yhey were awesome that day but then very flat v Galway next day out.When a county has a star player or in our case a superstar player it takes from the other forwards a little. It happens with every county. Canavan with Tyrone Murphy with Donegal McManus with Monaghan. It was the same with Kerry with Maurice the Maestro. Kerry forwards played better when Maurice was nt playing. Same with Clifford. Even last year when Clifford was poor v Cork the other forwards stepped up. Against Tyrone last year in semi final Clifford was playing top stuff but our other forwards were very quiet but in extra time some of our forwards started playing better os they had to. I think it would help the forwards more if they got a game or two without David and the rest would do him good too. We need the other forwards to step up... I agree, if I remember rightly Maurice broke his leg during the league of 2000 and other forwards had to step up. So resting him in the next few games will work out in the long term maybe. Short term pain for long term gain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 11:46:05 GMT
So that’s the crop that came in in 2018 under Fitzmaurice and three or four others who came in in 2019. You’re looking at Shane Ryan, Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White, Gavin Crowley, Diarmuid O’Connor, Dara Moynihan, Sean O’Shea, Killian Spillane and David Clifford. 5 of them I would class as our best players now along with Paudie. 3 others are likely starters and very good players but not top class as of now, as we would have hoped for when they came in. The remaining 2 are strong subs. It’s difficult to answer your question though, if we’re talking of a starting All Ireland winning level I do think a lot of them are at that level which is positive but of course they have to go out and do it. I would highly recommend having a look at that 2019 game v Donegal. A fews obs A super open game well reffed by Paddy Neilan. So much has changed in 3 years. Back then there was no stupid offensive mark. Also a black card meant that you were gone for the whole game and a sub was allowed. GW was having a super game till his black card ...he slipped while pulling a jersey and pulled his man down...very unlucky. The main point i want to make is just how good SOB was in 2019. 3 points from play and lots of other good stuff including defensive covering...he was unlucky with giving away the peno as he stood his ground and the attacker ran at him. Killian Spillane was starved of possession yet got 3 points..none of them easy. Jason popped up to fist a point. I forgot that. Geaney got 1.04. He was very good even if he missed a lot too. The following have improved since 2019 David Clifford Tom Sullivan (he was very good that day too) Diarmaid oConnor The following were playing better in 2019 than they played in 2021 Paul Murphy Gavin Crowley Adrian Spillane Sean oShea Killian Spillane SOS Paul Geaney If those 6 could find form again Kerry would take a lot of beating Kerry: S Ryan; J Foley (0-01), T Morley, T O’Sullivan (0-01); P Murphy (0-01), G Crowley, G White; A Spillane, D O’Connor; Enright, S O’Shea (0-04, 3f), K Spillane (0-03); D Clifford (0-03, 1f), P Geaney (1-04), S O’Brien (0-03). Subs: J Lyne for White (BC 34), J Sherwood for O’Connor (43), M Griffin for Enright (55), G O’Sullivan for Crowley (62), M Burns for A Spillane (68), T O Se for K Spillane (72) ;lofr the vwas looks like there are a few lads just threading water all right, Graham Ó'Sullivan never seemed to have pushed on unfortunately but there doesn't seem to be any1 pushing him out of the panel either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 11:49:39 GMT
Baurtregaum you are spot on there. When Maurice got injured that year Ó Cinnéide Johnny Crowley Mike Frank Liam Hassett started playing great football. Every looks for David now so give him a break and it will bring the other forwards into it thus giving them more confidence too. We have 3 points after two games so we can afford to change things up a little and it will be for the better in the long run. Ya Mick, when we lost the Gooch to injury in 2014 we went on to win the allireland, maybe having a fantastic forward makes every1 else sit back or something, it doesn't look good on the other lads though.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 17, 2022 12:16:48 GMT
Baurtregaum you are spot on there. When Maurice got injured that year Ó Cinnéide Johnny Crowley Mike Frank Liam Hassett started playing great football. Every looks for David now so give him a break and it will bring the other forwards into it thus giving them more confidence too. We have 3 points after two games so we can afford to change things up a little and it will be for the better in the long run. Ya Mick, when we lost the Gooch to injury in 2014 we went on to win the allireland, maybe having a fantastic forward makes every1 else sit back or something, it doesn't look good on the other lads though. Coincidentally but Dgal have that precise scenario with Murphy - I've been studying it a bit at the odd game and the focus is very much on him, say the opposition are in possession and fellas are backtracking, then they get the turnover, first thing is get the ball to Michael, then almost like a magic wand the whole team positional structure/conformation changes/morphs around him. Though other teams know this there doesn't appear to be a lot they can do. I knew there was something unusual but it was of a day in Ballybofey vs Mayo I finally twigged the steps in what was happening. And yes, without him they struggle as they just have to change how they go about their business, I have a strange feeling there is potential with the current band of players, from a few club matches I sensed the middle rank was markedly bigger but then the county performance didn't frank that form, ok they have had injuries and retirements but every team ahs these and it still wouldn't account for the disparity. Ah maybe another man might tell you a completely different story of the Tir Conaill today. The standout factor is the amount of soccer and many parishes don't even have a GAA club, pre JMcG it was probably 60%+ but now maybe more 50/50. Apart from the cities and Dundalk/Drogheda, I'd say that must be the highest in the country, well not sure re the 6 counties. Would Kerry be 25%/75%? - incidentally both counties have similar populations at 130,000. What is also interesting is that Gweedore as a Gaeltacht has amazing soccer talent, links with Celtic and which was founded by a Fr Sweeney from the West Donegal - need to fact check that but it all boils down to the same thing anyway, Donegal has very strong links with Scotland - like Southern Irish counties emigrated to London and the South of the UK, a lot of Northies went to Scotland. Yerra just giving the forum a bit of background on the landscape in Dgal and it often reminds me of one big playground as they are big into all sports, boxing is another biggie, and yes they have long faces like ourselves when they don't win, they are not there to make up the numbers.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 17, 2022 23:41:04 GMT
No mention of team selection, I take it, it will be announced tomorrow, nothing on Twitter about it
Anyway, in the interim, tabhair Aìre mind yourselves.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 18, 2022 1:13:31 GMT
A timely if rather interesting freebie from The Irish Times on a subject that often mystifies us otherwise geniuses -
Paul Durcan sees ‘happy medium’ in evolution of goalkeeper’s role - Former Donegal stopper intrigued by progress while sounding a note of caution Paul Durcan is intrigued by the evolution in the goalkeeper’s role in the modern game. In goal for Donegal’s All-Ireland win in 2012 as well as Dublin club Ballyboden St Enda’s All-Ireland in 2016, he is now one of Tony McEntee’s selectors with Sligo.
The former All Star was speaking at a press call after the Electric Ireland Sigerson Cup final, a trophy that gave him back-to-back successes with IT Sligo in 2004 and ’05 and was won this year for the first time since 2003 by NUI Galway.
Asked about the contemporary trend for ’keepers to play more and more of an outfield role, he suggested that the type of player being deployed between the posts could change fundamentally but also said that he was in favour of the evolution.
“I like it. I don’t think I would have been up the field kicking points but it is evolving and it is going to be interesting to see what kind of player you are going to put in there. Are you going to need an outfield player? But you can’t forget either that it comes down to (the basics),” he said.
“Rory Beggan [Monaghan] is an exceptional shot-stopper – Niall Morgan [Tyrone] is the same. They have that basis and obviously they have the talent of being outfield players because they do that with their clubs.
“It is a hard thing to get and I don’t think it is something that you can coach into someone. When you get a very good outfield player, it is very hard to put them into goals and get them as a shot-stopper.
“It is trying to find that happy medium is what you want, no matter who the goalkeeper is, he is going to have to be a link man in defence with teams, pushing up in numbers now. You are going to have to evolve and I think that is going to be the next phase, playing as an extra full-back player for moving the ball across.”
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In the recent league match between Tyrone and Monaghan, the two goalkeepers could have been tackling each other such was the sense of adventure – Beggan actually kicked a point from play.
Durcan urged caution, though, and said that going long and creating pressure at the other end of the field should still remain an option.
“For a goalkeeper to come out and defend or mark a corner forward, they need to be exceptionally quick and need to be an exceptional man-marker. Obviously possession is key, but we still need to look long. You can see when teams go long and get breaks off it, maybe eight out of ten of them work out in a goal opportunity, so that can’t be forgotten.
“I don’t think they’ll become total outfield players but there will be an evolution to become a link-man on the defence and probably guys able to mark people will do that. Finding those players won’t be easy as finding goalkeepers.”
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Post by dc84 on Feb 18, 2022 12:54:12 GMT
Baurtregaum you are spot on there. When Maurice got injured that year Ó Cinnéide Johnny Crowley Mike Frank Liam Hassett started playing great football. Every looks for David now so give him a break and it will bring the other forwards into it thus giving them more confidence too. We have 3 points after two games so we can afford to change things up a little and it will be for the better in the long run. Ya Mick, when we lost the Gooch to injury in 2014 we went on to win the allireland, maybe having a fantastic forward makes every1 else sit back or something, it doesn't look good on the other lads though. We had another left legged wizard from killarney that year though !! I agree with the rest another two or even one wins should see us stay up which is all that matters really.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 18, 2022 14:20:10 GMT
Team announced @ 20:00hrs tonight,,
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 18, 2022 16:14:42 GMT
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By half-time, Donegal were five down and, beyond the O’Sullivan Stand, even MacGillycuddy's Reeks seemed to be taunting them.
It was March 2012 and Donegal were on their way to losing a third Division 1 game out of four: Laois had even won in Letterkenny.
Little, then, to suggest that, a mere six months later, Donegal would be standing at the top of their own mountain, Sam Maguire in hand.
On their way to All-Ireland glory, Donegal beat Kerry 1-12 to 1-10 on the August Bank Holiday weekend.
The same fifteen players started that game as began the double-scores hammering (2-16 to 1-8) in Killarney.
“By the time the Championship came around, we had gone to the well a lot more,” Eamon McGee says.
“Basically what changed was the block of training that we had done. We were more developed and we had won Ulster before playing Kerry. Jim (McGuinness) instilled a belief in us. He took us to that dark spot we had to go to.”
There was something of a mystery about Donegal that spring.
The remnants of their 2011 All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin were still in the air. McGuinness’s ‘system’ was the talk of the town in Killarney. Kevin Cassidy, an All-Star on the flip side of the winter, was cut from the panel and remained central to most conversations.
Donegal had been close but not close enough against Dublin. They were onto something, though. Few observers would’ve believed that on a March Sunday in Killarney as Bryan Sheehan popped 1-7 to send Donegal packing.
Last year, McGuinness described the defeat as ‘humiliation’.
Jack O’Connor, as he is now, back for a third stint, was the Kerry manager and McGee remembers the Dromid man as having ‘put a lot of stock into that match’.
“He spoke about it afterwards and actually put a lot of emphasis on it,” McGee said.
“In a lot of ways, McGuinness didn’t give one hoot about the League. That was very evident from that time. I do believe he didn’t care about relegation because it was all about peaking for the summer. You can argue that you needed to keep the Division 1 status - and that would be my take, that you can’t discount - but Jim was just all about going towards the summer. It was all about the process.
“I think you need to be operating in Division 1, with the Kerrys, Mayos, Dublins - they’ve all been about Division 1 for so long - to be in contention.
“The whole process we over our heads a bit at the time, I think - especially after a hammering. We all have egos and we’re all proud men so that would have affected the pride. For Jim, it was looking at a performance and just asking: ‘Are these boys on an upward curve?’ For us, we’d have been pissed off, definitely.
“If anyone came off a field after a defeat like that and was saying we attacked or defended well . . .
“We lost against Dublin that year, we were comfortably beaten. Jim was delighted because he could see something happening. A lot of coaches think only about the small picture, but the good ones see the big picture in front of them.
“McGuinness was driving into us all that year that we’d be Ulster champions and be going for the All-Ireland. It didn’t matter about the League. It was all about the Tuesday night and going to the well again. The group totally bought into that”
McGee was sent off that afternoon in Killarney after getting a second yellow card. He recalls a conversation with the referee: ‘We’ll not be seeing you later on in the summer.’
‘The way youse are going, we’ll not be seeing youse either.’
“We were talking about this recently,” McGee says. “Thankfully he was proved wrong and we got a nice long summer out of it.”
McGee missed the 2012 Ulster final win over Down.
His replacement, Declan Walsh, posted two points in Clones and had a fine afternoon standing in. McGee was fearful of his position.
McGuinness and his assistant, Rory Gallagher, clocked up mileage for the last weekend of the All-Ireland qualifiers: Dr Hyde Park to see Kildare beat Sligo; Cusack Park for Down’s win over Tipperary; and Tullamore to witness Laois edge Meath.
They hadn’t gone to the Gaelic Grounds to see Kerry hammer Clare 2-22 to 1-6.
The All-Ireland quarter-final draw pipped Donegal against Kerry.
“The only draw that would’ve got me back in the team,” McGee recalls. “I was the only one to match up with Kieran Donaghy. I was delighted with the draw. Declan had taken his chance, he played a brilliant Ulster final.”
Privately, McGuinness was happy with the draw.
In his memoir, Until Victory Always, he wrote: ‘This is the match we want, boys. This is exactly the team we want. This is our chance to knock out a big county and move on.’
McGuinness spoke about the need to ’strip down the myth’ of Kerry.
At Croke Park, in the first ever SFC meeting of the counties, Donegal nails were bitten to the quick as Kerry inched their way ominously back into contention.
There was something different about Donegal that day.
In Jimmy’s Winning Matches, the 2012 documentary shown on RTÉ, Jack O’Connor recalled the difference in the teams.
“Donegal had our measure. The intensity of their tackling wore a few fellas out.”
It was the same team they had faced in March.
In fact, it was a totally different one.
“We went to play Kerry with a new offensive weapon,” McGee says. “It was a big test, but it worked out.
“All year, we had done simple drills, but effective drills, working on what we do when we get a turnover. We worked on our kicking game. A lot of the stuff was simple and repetitive. McGuinness had a great grasp that you didn’t have to complicate the * out of things. It was get the turnover and basically sprint as hard as you can. It wasn’t rocket science - but it worked.
“We were fairly comfortable against Kerry, until Donaghy got a goal that was maybe my fault. He palmed it in.
“We were never going to win an All-Ireland with how we played in 2011. People look at the Cork game (the All-Ireland semi-final), but the Kerry game was a defining moment for the group. That was our big chance. Against Kerry.
“March wasn’t in our airspace that day at all. We knew ourselves that we were in a different place, mentally and physically. Maybe Kerry were still thinking about March.”
It wasn’t plain sailing, though.
Donegal were in front thanks to Colm McFadden’s fortuitous goal in the sixth minute and there were wobbles.
Kerry’s Patrick Curtin missed a chance to level it up and McGuinness mind seethed and worried all at once.
He recalled: ‘How is this happening? Are we going to *ing lose tis game? In disbelief at Donaghy’s goal because this is the first goal we have let in all summer. In their minds, we don’t concede goals’.
Enter Karl Lacey.
A couple of months later, the Four Masters man would be crowned the Footballer of the Year. It was Lacey’s late point that sealed the deal for Donegal.
“He took a chance,” McGuinness remembered.
“He had a bit of courage in a moment it was badly needed. It was a moment that signified the difference in us from the previous year.”
“Instead of closing the game out and keep the foot on the throat, we let Kerry back in,” is how McGee reflects, ten years on.
“There was an element of ‘we’re going to actually do this’ and we pulled the handbrake. We were relatively inexperienced in big games like that. It was a great buzz and a great feeling when we won it.
“We were back to earth on the Tuesday night again. If you weren’t back to earth, you’d be pulled into line. We had to have the A game every night.”
Defeat didn’t sit well with Kerry.
It never does.
As McGee and his team made their way off the pitch with their county and its people beginning to dream - really dream - Kerry let their feelings be known.
“They’d see themselves as being above Donegal,” McGee says. “For Donegal to beat them at Croke Park, they were hurt. Some of them were even saying walking off: ‘Youse are going to het hammered’. They were disappointed and hurt, nothing more than that.”
Ten years on, McGee still sees something to stir in the Donegal squad.
“I have no bother saying that Donegal are capable,’ the Gaoth Dobhair man says. We have the quality. We just have to have the belief that Kerry do. They believe that they’ll win the All-Ireland. Every year. They believe that and they seem as if they’re nearly entitled to it.
“We need to be in the conversation all the time. It has to be the target and Donegal have the quality.”
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 18, 2022 16:18:21 GMT
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Donegal manager Declan Bonner says he will take the recovery of his captain Michael Murphy on a week-by-week basis.
Murphy won’t be in the Donegal squad for Sunday’s Allianz Football League Division 1 game against Kerry at Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney.
The Glenswilly man limped out of Sunday-week past’s win over Kildare in Ballybofey.
“We’ll just be careful with Michael,” Bonner told Donegal Live.
“We’ll work him back, but we won’t rush him back.
“We’ll take it week-on-week and see where he’s at. We hope to get him back at some stage by the end of the League, but we’ll get a bit of work done in the meantime.”
Jason McGee, who was also forced off against Kildare, is available again for the trip to Kerry. The Cloughaneely man has recovered from the knock that ended his last game prematurely.
Vice captain Hugh McFadden and Daire Ó Baoill are likely be included in a match day panel for the first time in 2022.
Ciarán Thompson will also be in the squad having shaken off an injury.
While Jamie Brennan is said to be ‘a few weeks away’, Bonner has reported that Oisin Gallen ‘isn’t too far off’.
“There are always ups and downs with injuries, but we’re glad to see lads coming back again.” Bonner said. “That’s the nature of having a lot of games in a condensed period and training on heavy pitches.”
Kerry disposed of Dublin 1-15 to 0-11 in their last outing. A Dara Moynihan goal had the Kingdom 1-14 to 0-4 in front at half-time on a night when their dominance was evident.
“We’re not just going down to see Killarney at the weekend,” Bonner said. “We know Killarney is a difficult place to go, but we’re going to try and get points.
“Kerry won the McGrath Cup and beat every team out of sight. They were very impressive in the second period of the first half against Dublin.
“It won’t be easy, taking on Kerry in their own backyard. Kerry are one of the top teams in the country. It’s a difficult task, but you have to look forward to games like this and what better an opportunity for lads to show what they’re capable of.”
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Post by thehermit on Feb 18, 2022 20:13:11 GMT
David on the bench for Killian and Ryan between the sticks otherwise same as the Dublin match.
1 (GK) Shane Ryan Sean Ó Riain Rathmore 2 Dan O Donoghue Donal Ó Donnchú Spa, Killarney 3 Jason Foley Jason O Foghlu Ballydonoghue 4 Tom O’Sullivan Tomas O Súilleabháin Dingle 5 Paul Murphy Pól Ó Murchú Rathmore 6 Tadhg Morley Tadhg Ó Muraile Templenoe 7 Brian Ó Beaglaíoch Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht 8 Diarmuid O’Connor Diarmuid Ó Conchúir Na Gaeil 9 Jack Barry Jeaic De Barra Na Gaeil 10 Adrian Spillane Adrian Ó Spealáin Templenoe 11 Seán O’Shea Seán Ó Sé Kenmare Shamrocks 12 Dara Moynihan Dara Ó Muineachain Spa, Killarney 13 Paudie Clifford Padraig Ó Clumhain Fossa 14 Paul Geaney Pól Ó Geibheannaigh Dingle 15 Killian Spillane Cillian Ó Spealáin Templenoe 16 GK Shane Murphy Sean Ó Murchú Dr Crokes 17 David Clifford Daithi Ó Clumhain Fossa 18 Micheál Burns Micheál Ó Braoin Dr Crokes 19 Gavin Crowley Gabhin O Crualaíoch Templenoe 20 Tony Brosnan Antóin Ó Brosnacháin Dr Crokes 21 Graham O’Sullivan Graeme Ó Súilleabháin Piarsaigh na Dromoda 22 Jack Savage Jeaic Sabhaois Kerins O Rahillys 23 Dylan Casey Dylan Ó Cathasaigh Austin Stacks 24 Stephen O’Brien Stiofán Ó Briain Kenmare Shamrocks 25 Greg Horan Greg Ó hÓdhrain Austin Stacks 26 Darragh Roche Dara Ó Róiste Glenflesk
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Post by thehermit on Feb 18, 2022 20:13:39 GMT
Seanie is captain
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 18, 2022 20:25:37 GMT
Well done to Kerry management.
Right call resting David and leave him on that bench.
Delighted to Shane Ryan in goals while his restarts are not as good maybe as Shabe Murphy did nothing wrong to deserve to be dropped.
Let's see how are forwards get on, The weather is looking very dodgy again.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 18, 2022 20:37:03 GMT
Great call. Also glad that the defensive unit staying consistent and the crap of not naming subs has been done away with. It's not going to be easy for anyone to force their way into this team
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Post by 1979 on Feb 18, 2022 20:37:58 GMT
Any word on Breen and White?
Also, Paul O’Shea seems to be down the pecking order. I thought he could make a real impact this year. Is it too soon for him?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2022 21:22:25 GMT
Delighted to see Shane Ryan back in goals fot this game and hopefully for the rest of the year.
It'll be interesting to see if killian Spillane can pu in a performance for more than 35 minutes but at least Clifford will be there to replace him if he doesn't.
Hopefully Casey will get more than 5 minutes at the end of the game.
Anyway best of luck to lads on Sunday.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 18, 2022 21:57:50 GMT
Very happy with that XV, like others I have to commend the decision made by management, the reasoning behind the resting of DC is both beneficial from both the player himself and the collective as it will see can others step up when required.
It also gives the likes of Killian to stamp a claim to a coveted starting jersey.
I like Shane Ryan and think he commands the square better than the Crokes man, a lot has been made of ‘restarts’ but in saying that can anyone fault the Rathmore man last year. I also think that the absence of Burns and White restricts Murphy as he invariably and understandably punts their direction at every opportunity.
Good and exciting XV names, like others have alluded to, I hope Casey gets more game time but happy O’Beaglaoich is retained, he has always impressed me,
Donegal without Mike Murphy are not as dangerous as a Donegal with Mike Murphy, I would hope to have a few points to spare come Sunday evening.
Also really looking forward to Mayo and Dublin tomorrow night, I expect a serious backlash from Dublin, this could be the makings of a cracker.
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Post by abù on Feb 18, 2022 22:23:04 GMT
Any word on Breen and White? Also, Paul O’Shea seems to be down the pecking order. I thought he could make a real impact this year. Is it too soon for him? Not nailing down a starting poistion with East Kerry, is probably not doing him any favours..
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