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Post by thehermit on Jan 2, 2022 13:30:18 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see what kind of a team is put out Wednesday. Jack doesn’t have a huge amount of new, young players inside there so I think we will see a number of experienced players line out. I’m expecting something very close to this: 1. Shane Murphy 2. Tadhg Morley 3. Jason Foley 4. Gavin Crowley 5. Mike Breen 6. Dan O’Donoghue 7. Graham O’Sullivan 8. Paul O’Shea 9. Adrian Spillane 10. Stephen O’Brien 11. Jack Savage 12. Michael Burns 13. Tony Brosnan/Killian Spillane 14. David Shaw 15. Dara Roche
That's a team I'd like to see because there are a lot of question marks around many of those players IMO such as: Is Stephen past his best Are the Spillane's going to prove they are starters Can Mush show he has what it takes at inter-county level Likewise is Paul Shea ready to step up Can Shaw and Brosnan ease the burden on David and Seanie up front
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Post by buck02 on Jan 2, 2022 13:45:36 GMT
The sound of “kicking it in long” is always music to my ears. Reminds me of the story of a former Kerry great who was enthusiastically coaching his club side many years after retiring from playing. The story goes a but like this He was on the sideline and one of his u-14 players was on a solo run along the sideline - the coach was seen running along the sideline keeping pace with the young lad shouting and urging him to "kick it in long", "kick it in long", "kick it in long" he roared roared over and over. The player stopped and threw the ball at his coach and told him "you f#*king kick it in long". The major flaw in that story is that under 14 in Kerry has always been one hop, one solo. On the game if the weather is fine I think I'll head into the terrace and report back.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 2, 2022 13:45:53 GMT
I can see Tadgh being reinstated to the number six position in a holding roll, a lot of the 'new players' are club tied, his choice at midfield and at six will be interesting - Jack Barry, Diarmuid and Joe O'Connor are unavailable, Moran if playing in 2022 will not be used in McGrath Cup.
I have time for Paul O'Shea he brings more of a scoring threat than anyone else on the fringes.
I feel Shaw, Adrain etc may have had their chances and have Plateau'd.. some of our players are in this bracket.
Jack's use of Graham will be interesting, an excellent minor and U20 as well as with UCC.. in hindsight maybe PK didn't pick Graham in his best position.
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Post by hatchetman on Jan 2, 2022 13:48:09 GMT
I think 2022 will be ok on the GAA playing front... Here is my take.... January 2022 is a different world to January 2021 thanks to two things: the availability of vaccine and the update of the by Irish people. If omicrom was around in January 2021 we would have been in a real bad place. Omicrom is just a mild cold for those who are vaccinated If there are 20000 certified pcr cases a day there are probably 100000 with omicron..... by the spring the anti bodies should be in most people...herd immunity is happening fast now but its not a huge deal thanks to vaccination. Herd immunity is not happening. Many people are getting covid multiple times. Thankfully, at the moment, most people are not suffering serious symptoms but many will still suffer from long covid.
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Post by veteran on Jan 2, 2022 13:57:10 GMT
I have always maintained on this forum that the case figures are meaningless. Why our supine media beat the case load figure day after day is beyond my understanding . The figures that matter are authentic hospitalisation figures and authentic death figures, The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective.
Dr. Coetzee, the South African doctor who first detected the omicron variant, said a few weeks ago that she could not understand the panic in Europe over this variant because , while it is very contagious, it is far, far less injurious than previous variants . Clearly her comments do not fit the orthodox narrative.
I had better stop now in case my contribution is censored. Sometime , Please God, we will be allowed to speak freely on this topic without the nefarious hand of big Pharmaceutical companies and social media outlets deciding what the man/woman in the street should be allowed to say and hear. Assuming of course that the majority of people want to speak freely, listen freely and write freely.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 2, 2022 14:50:28 GMT
Reminds me of the story of a former Kerry great who was enthusiastically coaching his club side many years after retiring from playing. The story goes a but like this He was on the sideline and one of his u-14 players was on a solo run along the sideline - the coach was seen running along the sideline keeping pace with the young lad shouting and urging him to "kick it in long", "kick it in long", "kick it in long" he roared roared over and over. The player stopped and threw the ball at his coach and told him "you f#*king kick it in long". The major flaw in that story is that under 14 in Kerry has always been one hop, one solo. On the game if the weather is fine I think I'll head into the terrace and report back. Might have been a Feile competition. That’s always unlimited plays.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 2, 2022 14:57:21 GMT
I can see Tadgh being reinstated to the number six position in a holding roll, a lot of the 'new players' are club tied, his choice at midfield and at six will be interesting - Jack Barry, Diarmuid and Joe O'Connor are unavailable, Moran if playing in 2022 will not be used in McGrath Cup. I have time for Paul O'Shea he brings more of a scoring threat than anyone else on the fringes. I feel Shaw, Adrain etc may have had their chances and have Plateau'd.. some of our players are in this bracket. Jack's use of Graham will be interesting, an excellent minor and U20 as well as with UCC.. in hindsight maybe PK didn't pick Graham in his best position. I’d tend to agree with you on Shaw and Adrian Spillane but I think this is a chance for every player on the panel right down to the bottom of the panel to show what they’re about. The 8 from Stacks and Na Gaeil are unavailable and there’s no point in rolling out our main players so every unestablished player or player there’s question marks around on the panel will play. This is Graham’s year now if he’s to make an impact. Wing back is his best position I think, he’s not tight enough for the corner and we’ve a good amount of options there now anyway.
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Post by mossie on Jan 2, 2022 15:14:18 GMT
MATCH OFF - Sunday's McGrath Cup Football Group A match between Waterford and Clare has been postponed. Waterford are unable to field a team due to a number of Covid cases and close contacts as well as a number of injuries. t.co/8wGkFueEh8. Above is from Munster Gaa Twitter, The upcoming McGrath Cup matches are in real danger of falling victim to the current wave of Covid imo. I wouldn't be buying any ticket or stream until a half an hour before throw in. 😜 Smaller, weaker counties like Wateford havent the same pot of players to go to as the like of Kerry and Dublin If kerry or Dublin lost a batch of players to COVID or close contacts , there is a deeper pool of reserve talent
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 2, 2022 15:23:52 GMT
A name on very few people's lips is Liam Carey the Beaufort forward, an ex minor. He has really impressed me any time I've seen him, he was one of the main men in Mid Kerry's run to the final last year.
Another consistant player is Pa Warren as well as the two lads from Castleisland that Veteran has touted Luka Brosnan and Adam Donoghue
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 2, 2022 15:43:27 GMT
A name on very few people's lips is Liam Carey the Beaufort forward, an ex minor. He has really impressed me any time I've seen him, he was one of the main men in Mid Kerry's run to the final last year. Another consistant player is Pa Warren as well as the two lads from Castleisland that Veteran has touted Luka Brosnan and Adam Donoghue All those 4 are very good players, not on the panel though. Evan Cronin is another one along those lines who maybe isn’t mentioned as often but not far off the standard either. All 5 of them would be making an initial panel in my eyes. Jack’s approach is interesting. I was expecting him to bring in a lot of players to look at, on the initial panel but he hasn’t done that. He only has a panel of around 35. Keith Ricken the new Cork manager said in an interview recently that he has upwards of 60 involved at the moment. Now there’s no need for that many in Kerry but it just shows the contrasting approaches of 2 new managers albeit in charge of counties in very different positions. Personally I’d be in favour of having a good look at anyone who could potentially be of the standard by having them in the Winter panel but Jack must be fairly sure of who he wants and doesn’t want.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 2, 2022 16:06:59 GMT
I have always maintained on this forum that the case figures are meaningless. Why our supine media beat the case load figure day after day is beyond my understanding . The figures that matter are authentic hospitalisation figures and authentic death figures, The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective. Dr. Coetzee, the South African doctor who first detected the omicron variant, said a few weeks ago that she could not understand the panic in Europe over this variant because , while it is very contagious, it is far, far less injurious than previous variants . Clearly her comments do not fit the orthodox narrative. I had better stop now in case my contribution is censored. Sometime , Please God, we will be allowed to speak freely on this topic without the nefarious hand of big Pharmaceutical companies and social media outlets deciding what the man/woman in the street should be allowed to say and hear. Assuming of course that the majority of people want to speak freely, listen freely and write freely. Could not agree with you more Veteran. I assume you would be close to my parents in age and I'm glad you have this sort of clairvoyance because one of the things that's upset me most in this country in the last 22 months is the fear I see in my parents generation feed by the media and public health officials. So many have been terrified into living like hermits, terrified now of seeing anyone or doing anything. It's no way to live.
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Post by southward on Jan 2, 2022 16:32:30 GMT
I can see Tadgh being reinstated to the number six position in a holding roll, a lot of the 'new players' are club tied, his choice at midfield and at six will be interesting - Jack Barry, Diarmuid and Joe O'Connor are unavailable, Moran if playing in 2022 will not be used in McGrath Cup. I have time for Paul O'Shea he brings more of a scoring threat than anyone else on the fringes. I feel Shaw, Adrain etc may have had their chances and have Plateau'd.. some of our players are in this bracket. Jack's use of Graham will be interesting, an excellent minor and U20 as well as with UCC.. in hindsight maybe PK didn't pick Graham in his best position. I know Adrian has but has Shaw really got that many chances at senior level? I can only recall him lining out once, a couple of years back.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 2, 2022 16:50:35 GMT
I have always maintained on this forum that the case figures are meaningless. Why our supine media beat the case load figure day after day is beyond my understanding . The figures that matter are authentic hospitalisation figures and authentic death figures, The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective. Dr. Coetzee, the South African doctor who first detected the omicron variant, said a few weeks ago that she could not understand the panic in Europe over this variant because , while it is very contagious, it is far, far less injurious than previous variants . Clearly her comments do not fit the orthodox narrative. I had better stop now in case my contribution is censored. Sometime , Please God, we will be allowed to speak freely on this topic without the nefarious hand of big Pharmaceutical companies and social media outlets deciding what the man/woman in the street should be allowed to say and hear. Assuming of course that the majority of people want to speak freely, listen freely and write freely. Could not agree with you more Veteran. I assume you would be close to my parents in age and I'm glad you have this sort of clairvoyance because one of the things that's upset me most in this country in the last 22 months is the fear I see in my parents generation feed by the media and public health officials. So many have been terrified into living like hermits, terrified now of seeing anyone or doing anything. It's no way to live. Very much inclined to agree, parents would be the same vintage but my crew liken Covid to TB. There was also social distancing back then and an 104 week lock up period in Edenburn for those who would be positive and to quote them, sure TB is still there but modern medicine evolved to more or less eradicate.
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Post by smokey on Jan 2, 2022 17:25:00 GMT
The major flaw in that story is that under 14 in Kerry has always been one hop, one solo. On the game if the weather is fine I think I'll head into the terrace and report back. Might have been a Feile competition. That’s always unlimited plays. I don't think u-14 was always like that, I remember it changing when I was u-14. In my bad year we could hop and solo as much as we wanted but the next year we were only allowed one hop. That would have been in the mid 90's, same vintage as Tadhg Kennelly and Declan Quill. it was a bit ago since I was in that age category so maybe my memory is playing tricks with me! I've no idea what's allowed at similar age levels these days.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 2, 2022 19:33:43 GMT
Could not agree with you more Veteran. I assume you would be close to my parents in age and I'm glad you have this sort of clairvoyance because one of the things that's upset me most in this country in the last 22 months is the fear I see in my parents generation feed by the media and public health officials. So many have been terrified into living like hermits, terrified now of seeing anyone or doing anything. It's no way to live. Very much inclined to agree, parents would be the same vintage but my crew liken Covid to TB. There was also social distancing back then and an 104 week lock up period in Edenburn for those who would be positive and to quote them, sure TB is still there but modern medicine evolved to more or less eradicate. Though I respect each of you who feel the regulations are too restrictive, and yes, it is no way to live - xMas was at best a non event for many, but is it not all about damage limitation? If casualties rise then no health system could cope with the numbers and then there won't be health care for anyone, Covid or otherwise, no emergency care? With respect Veteran, what you say re how harmless Omicron is, well that is all fine so long as it remains so - what if it mutated into something more aggressive and harmful? Of course I am not 100% sure on this, regardless of ones views nobody is as we are dealing with a virus of which so much is unknown. Maybe we are erring on the side of caution and that is what one does when they don't know how dangerous the threat is? I am also mindful that there are mental health implications and maybe the powers that be need to do something here. Maybe free to view GAA shown on RTE and which would help those who mightn't have the capacity to use Sky devices, etc - just a suggestion. Maybe we are over the worst but you never know and if we take the chance and we are wrong then innocent people will suffer if the health system cannot look after them. There are people in every county who ignored the recommended precautions and suffered, some terrible scenarios up and down the country, infecting others, etc. Us on here have the Internet to browse, we can chat, maybe read an xMas book present or whatever - what about those who don't have such options. With respect TV was very poor over xMas and in part because Covid restricted the production maybe, then a few rugby games were cancelled. Is it a case of hanging in and hoping we will all see better days? P.S. To moderator - I don't think this is just a Covid issue and I wouldn't wish to burden you - I realise you have to personally live in the issue too and nobody knows what anyone is having to contend with, my reason for adding my comment is 100% in the context of the backbone of the GAA and who as volunteers in an amazing community sport, gave us what we have. Take care everyone.
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Post by john4 on Jan 2, 2022 20:43:53 GMT
MATCH OFF - Sunday's McGrath Cup Football Group A match between Waterford and Clare has been postponed. Waterford are unable to field a team due to a number of Covid cases and close contacts as well as a number of injuries. t.co/8wGkFueEh8. Above is from Munster Gaa Twitter, The upcoming McGrath Cup matches are in real danger of falling victim to the current wave of Covid imo. I wouldn't be buying any ticket or stream until a half an hour before throw in. 😜 Smaller, weaker counties like Wateford havent the same pot of players to go to as the like of Kerry and Dublin If kerry or Dublin lost a batch of players to COVID or close contacts , there is a deeper pool of reserve talent www.limerickleader.ie/news/limerick-sport/710097/seven-players-opt-out-of-the-limerick-senior-football-panel-for-2022-season.html7 players opt out of the Limerick senior football panel for 2022. I can't figure this stuff. Most young lads spend their development years dreaming of playing county for lads to walk away!!. Agreed, we'd be very unlikely to run out of players due to Covid.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 2, 2022 20:53:46 GMT
Are these seven players on the fringes of the hurling squad I wonder.
It's hard to have two masters and is even harder to commit to two squads so I could see the reasoning behind if the players are "medal hunting".
The reintroduction of the back door is an incentive to look beyond the provincial goal.
I couldn't imagine refusing the call if a county manager rang me in my younger days.
On another note - online tickets are available for Wednesday evening €10 in, same as the online streaming cost
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 2, 2022 21:40:07 GMT
I have always maintained on this forum that the case figures are meaningless. Why our supine media beat the case load figure day after day is beyond my understanding . The figures that matter are authentic hospitalisation figures and authentic death figures, The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective. Dr. Coetzee, the South African doctor who first detected the omicron variant, said a few weeks ago that she could not understand the panic in Europe over this variant because , while it is very contagious, it is far, far less injurious than previous variants . Clearly her comments do not fit the orthodox narrative. I had better stop now in case my contribution is censored. Sometime , Please God, we will be allowed to speak freely on this topic without the nefarious hand of big Pharmaceutical companies and social media outlets deciding what the man/woman in the street should be allowed to say and hear. Assuming of course that the majority of people want to speak freely, listen freely and write freely. I stopped reading when I got to this line "The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective" Who do you think is trying to engender fear...and why. Seriously. I have lost someone very close to me because of the disease. I will take the advice of Public Health Professionals any day of the week. I believe they have all our best interests at heart. Despite how much of a pain in the hole the restrictions are.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 2, 2022 22:00:53 GMT
Very much inclined to agree, parents would be the same vintage but my crew liken Covid to TB. There was also social distancing back then and an 104 week lock up period in Edenburn for those who would be positive and to quote them, sure TB is still there but modern medicine evolved to more or less eradicate. with respect TV was very poor over xMas TG4 was brilliant as usual. This alone was worth the TV licence www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=6248630966001&series=Uimhir%206&genre=Faisneis
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 2, 2022 22:08:35 GMT
Do players growing up in Limerick dreaming of playing for the Limerick footballers. I doubt it. Things might change if meaningful competition with proper exposure comes along like the hurling set up with C Ring and Joe McDonagh equivilents.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 2, 2022 22:09:59 GMT
I have always maintained on this forum that the case figures are meaningless. Why our supine media beat the case load figure day after day is beyond my understanding . The figures that matter are authentic hospitalisation figures and authentic death figures, The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective. Dr. Coetzee, the South African doctor who first detected the omicron variant, said a few weeks ago that she could not understand the panic in Europe over this variant because , while it is very contagious, it is far, far less injurious than previous variants . Clearly her comments do not fit the orthodox narrative. I had better stop now in case my contribution is censored. Sometime , Please God, we will be allowed to speak freely on this topic without the nefarious hand of big Pharmaceutical companies and social media outlets deciding what the man/woman in the street should be allowed to say and hear. Assuming of course that the majority of people want to speak freely, listen freely and write freely. I stopped reading when I got to this line "The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective" Who do you think is trying to engender fear...and why. Seriously. I have lost someone very close to me because of the disease. I will take the advice of Public Health Professionals any day of the week. I believe they have all our best interests at heart. Despite how much of a pain in the hole the restrictions are. Sorry to hear that Sully.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 2, 2022 22:43:04 GMT
I have always maintained on this forum that the case figures are meaningless. Why our supine media beat the case load figure day after day is beyond my understanding . The figures that matter are authentic hospitalisation figures and authentic death figures, The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective. Dr. Coetzee, the South African doctor who first detected the omicron variant, said a few weeks ago that she could not understand the panic in Europe over this variant because , while it is very contagious, it is far, far less injurious than previous variants . Clearly her comments do not fit the orthodox narrative. I had better stop now in case my contribution is censored. Sometime , Please God, we will be allowed to speak freely on this topic without the nefarious hand of big Pharmaceutical companies and social media outlets deciding what the man/woman in the street should be allowed to say and hear. Assuming of course that the majority of people want to speak freely, listen freely and write freely. I stopped reading when I got to this line "The other statistic merely engenders fear which of course may be the objective" Who do you think is trying to engender fear...and why. Seriously. I have lost someone very close to me because of the disease. I will take the advice of Public Health Professionals any day of the week. I believe they have all our best interests at heart. Despite how much of a pain in the hole the restrictions are. Yes very sorry for your loss Sully. Speaking for myself, I feel fear is being generated to try and make up for the failures of the health system this country has endured for decades. Since 2000 the number of ICU beds has been halved yet our population has increased 36%. It disgusts me that the man in charge of the HSE is paid so much more than even the head of the WHO let alone claiming the expenses he is. Abd this man has overseen a health system that is the disgrace of the western world. And as for Dr Holohan, in what other country would he have kept his job over the cervical cancer scandal? Look this is a GAA forum and I'm only some randomer giving his two cence. I just feel as a whole the Irish people have done as much as we can and at some stage you have to try and live with this thing eventually. It's not the black death and vaccinated people are not going to suffer much more than a bad cold or flu. This parental crap from unelected career civil servants (only interested in covering their own failures IMO) is just hard for some of us to take at this stage. That's as much as I'll say on the matter anymore anyway, I'm sure plenty disagree and your entitled to.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 2, 2022 23:19:46 GMT
As someone that has just recently recovered from Covid I will be observing all the guidelines and recommendations as it's not something I want to go through again. As for 'unelected civil servants' line that is constantly trotted out. Of course they are unelected. Someone has to be the permanent government as it were.
I agree that the situation is exasperated by the shocking state of our health system. However that's not something that will be solved anytime soon. The Netherlands which is often held up as an example in terms of health etc have imposed more stringent restrictions than ours. Just hope that the country can get thru whats left of this pandemic with as little loss of life and economic hardship as possible.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 2, 2022 23:26:31 GMT
Point taken, I was more referring to the fact that they do not seem to be answerable for their mistakes, unlike most of the rest of us.
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Post by Aodhan on Jan 2, 2022 23:31:51 GMT
“Seven members have left the squad for various reasons” This begs the question, are vaccinations mandatory in order to be part of the squad? What about the Kerry football and hurling squads? We will probably never know as transparency and truth were the first victims of this mess.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 2, 2022 23:34:50 GMT
Point taken, I was more referring to the fact that they do not seem to be answerable for their mistakes, unlike most of the rest of us. It's easy to sit back and criticise people for mistakes made in a pandemic that nobody has any experience of dealing with. A mam who never made a mistake never made anything. People have been doing their best to protect society.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 2, 2022 23:50:58 GMT
Joe Brolly interview was insightful, very - but one swallow doesn't make a spring!
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Post by thehermit on Jan 3, 2022 0:04:51 GMT
Point taken, I was more referring to the fact that they do not seem to be answerable for their mistakes, unlike most of the rest of us. It's easy to sit back and criticise people for mistakes made in a pandemic that nobody has any experience of dealing with. A mam who never made a mistake never name anything. People have been doing their best to protect society. True but it's also grates to see people responsible for terrible suffering keep their jobs and act like we are all bold children that need to be scolded. And when you see Paul Reid claiming 20k in travel expenses, despite having a state paid driver, on top of an already outrageous salary for overseeing a joke of a health service - I just despair. Ah look I'm only a little tipsy and just writing out my thoughts. I'm a little biased anyway as two close friends are young nurses and another a junior doctor and I know first hand how our health service treats them - with utter contempt. I'm amazed we have any doctors or nurses to be honest pandemic or no. Anyway I've already posted too much on all this. Bought a ticket for Wednesday, seems like they're not talking about any more restrictions so looking forward to the football.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 3, 2022 0:18:43 GMT
We are all in this together folks.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 3, 2022 0:27:41 GMT
Lads can we not leave covid off a sports forum.
It's bad enough on every other platform.
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