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Post by veteran on Jan 13, 2022 17:46:29 GMT
The discussion regarding the playing of Tony Brosnan and Jack Savage seems to be imbued with a little unpleasantness for reasons that are unknown to me. It is a legitimate question for debate and Buck has outlined the implications of it better than most. Yet we are told it is noise, a non issue, moaning and haters hating etc. Haters hating? Whatever is that about?
This forum is a debating house which may , as the occasion demands it, include some moaning , if that is how you wish to characterise a view that is contrary to yours.
It is only January. Brace yourselves for tons of “moaning “ . I hope to be actively involved.
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Post by taggert on Jan 13, 2022 17:52:21 GMT
Lads are we not blowing this out of proportion? I’m sure the lads were asked did they fell up to it and some assessment would have been made of their fitness. Agree with this. May even hear this later in the year as an example of the drive and attitudes of players to make the panel and the team, individuals taking ownership and leading to a very strong collective. It might come across as wishy washy stuff but these things do feed into the psychology of the group and no harm done here....
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2022 17:52:47 GMT
It is only January. Brace yourselves for tons of “moaning “ . I hope to be actively involved. Funnily enough Veteran, the more you moan about Kerrys keepball tactics the happier i am as i see it as an indicator that Kerry might win this years all Ireland. So moan away.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 13, 2022 17:59:29 GMT
Ironically enough considering who we play in the final, Keith Ricken gave a superb talk on coaching that you can find on YouTube.
It’s absolutely fantastic and goes into his philosophy a bit more and one thing really resonated with me. He spoke about if we were all younger and had our time back again then we’d wanna be out on the pitch.
Tony and Jack had the opportunity to travel with and get a run for their county yesterday, something that both of them thought they’d have done a lot more after making the breakthrough under Fitz.
Talk of burnout is legitimate but these lads were more or less begging to be given a go and it’s great to see.
If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 18:00:41 GMT
The discussion regarding the playing of Tony Brosnan and Jack Savage seems to be imbued with a little unpleasantness for reasons that are unknown to me. It is a legitimate question for debate and Buck has outlined the implications of it better than most. Yet we are told it is noise, a non issue, moaning and haters hating etc. Haters hating? Whatever is that about? This forum is a debating house which may , as the occasion demands it, include some moaning , if that is how you wish to characterise a view that is contrary to yours. It is only January. Brace yourselves for tons of “moaning “ . I hope to be actively involved. Well said Veteran.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 18:01:54 GMT
Thank you, Would he have made an impression in those grades? He was solid but more importantly at 21, captain and showing maturity beyond his years, playing top level with Stacks and already accounting for Spillane, Seanie and Clifford in club / county c'ship, the trajectory is high and potential is huge. Unlike other defenders we have who are ineffectual when their man wins the ball, Dylan is comfortable in that situation. He is physically strong. Just needs games for Kerry now and at least the club c'ship finishes soon - this wkd and a potential 2 more games up to Feb 13th. One for the future but I think this summer too. That's very positive, Thanks Taggert
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2022 18:23:55 GMT
If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less That line brought this song into my head.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 19:17:34 GMT
If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less That line brought this song into my head. if memory serves me right “of the two sisters, I loved the younger” actually I got that wrong Ballad in plain D, but great song my back pages, O how we all reminisce , Bruce Glory Days in the same vain. I played myself for a long time, wish I still could.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 19:30:44 GMT
If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less That line brought this song into my head. are they the traveling wilburys Mick?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 13, 2022 19:35:05 GMT
If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less That line brought this song into my head. The video in question: Great watch/listen
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Post by veteran on Jan 13, 2022 19:46:40 GMT
It is only January. Brace yourselves for tons of “moaning “ . I hope to be actively involved. Funnily enough Veteran, the more you moan about Kerrys keepball tactics the happier i am as i see it as an indicator that Kerry might win this years all Ireland. So moan away. I understand of course. No doubt you are salivating at the prospect of 0-4 0-3 final victory. Little room for moaning if that is the height of your ambition.
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Post by kot on Jan 13, 2022 20:14:18 GMT
Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see. This was exactly the case and well said. At the end of the day haters are going to hate, it seems to me. Like many I did not like one bit how the management transition was handled but time to move on and give Jack and players every support. Sorry lads, but couldn't disagree more! It is the management & his staff who need be conscious of players welfare and in some cases protect them from themselves. Playing Sigerson and then playing a nothing game in the evening is madness, no two ways about it. Jack can dress it up any way he want! The "players are driving this". If either of em got a clatter on the head and both insisted on staying on with a potential concussion would you say the same thing?
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2022 20:14:28 GMT
That line brought this song into my head. if memory serves me right “of the two sisters, I loved the younger” actually I got that wrong Ballad in plain D, but great song my back pages, O how we all reminisce , Bruce Glory Days in the same vain. I played myself for a long time, wish I still could. The 'house band' for his 30th celebration en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_30th_Anniversary_Concert_Celebration
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2022 20:17:41 GMT
Ironically enough considering who we play in the final, Keith Ricken gave a superb talk on coaching that you can find on YouTube. It’s absolutely fantastic and goes into his philosophy a bit more and one thing really resonated with me. He spoke about if we were all younger and had our time back again then we’d wanna be out on the pitch. Tony and Jack had the opportunity to travel with and get a run for their county yesterday, something that both of them thought they’d have done a lot more after making the breakthrough under Fitz. Talk of burnout is legitimate but these lads were more or less begging to be given a go and it’s great to see. If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less Keith Ricken seems to be an inspirational man alright. He will need it all as Cork is a hurling mad county first and foremost. Kerry are always better off when Cork are snapping at their heels.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 13, 2022 20:32:13 GMT
Mark Keane is returning from AFL for Cork but it seems like he has chosen to play with the hurlers instead of the footballers despite playing with only the footballers at minor and u20. He’d be a huge addition to the footballers if he went in with them.
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Post by john4 on Jan 13, 2022 20:53:04 GMT
Ironically enough considering who we play in the final, Keith Ricken gave a superb talk on coaching that you can find on YouTube. It’s absolutely fantastic and goes into his philosophy a bit more and one thing really resonated with me. He spoke about if we were all younger and had our time back again then we’d wanna be out on the pitch. Tony and Jack had the opportunity to travel with and get a run for their county yesterday, something that both of them thought they’d have done a lot more after making the breakthrough under Fitz. Talk of burnout is legitimate but these lads were more or less begging to be given a go and it’s great to see. If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less Keith Ricken seems to be an inspirational man alright. He will need it all as Cork is a hurling mad county first and foremost. Kerry are always better off when Cork are snapping at their heels. Keith Ricken comes across as an absolute gentleman, you could listen to his yarns and motivational quotes and sayings all day but I think he's 100% the wrong man completely for Cork senior football. Senior intercounty football is about results ONLY. Keith is all for personal development, person first - player second type of stuff, which is absolutely on the button for teen-agers and guys in their early 20's finding their way in the big bad world. He recently started a debate about the Sigerson cup clashing with McGrath Cup fixtures and from a player welfare point of view. IMO he'd be better off making whatever points he has to make about this to the CB administrators who's responsibly it is to discuss these matters with the right people, the right way. He's at the end of the line in Cork football, His job is to get results from the Cork senior football team and if he doesn't start to focus in on this only, he'll be in trouble there.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 13, 2022 20:56:08 GMT
Ricken’s biggest bonus is Castlehaven’s John Cleary is his right hand man. He was passed over so often for the big gig, he’s is one serious knowledgeable man on football and a man on the sideline I would half fear,
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Post by thehermit on Jan 13, 2022 21:12:33 GMT
If I had my time back then I’d have played more games, not less That line brought this song into my head. Any man sharing a bit of Neil, Bob and George on a dreary winters day is alright by me
Never came across that one before, some line-up!
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Post by dc84 on Jan 13, 2022 21:14:50 GMT
Agree with you Horsebox 100%.Cleary very clever and Ricken so infectious that players would go to war for him. Cork will be very dangerous this year especially in PUC. Ah Jesus, no need of the yerras on here yet Mick! While i like the cut of rickens jib it will take 2 if not more years for him and the underage success to have a bearing. Underage success doesn't translate into senior straight away as we know ourselves! If cork get within a score of us in puc I would be asking serious questions about our management. We are better than cork in every conceivable measurable and a lot of those cork lads are carrying scars that won't heal easy from last year.
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Post by veteran on Jan 13, 2022 21:30:33 GMT
Just saw an interview with Dylan Casey on “ Our Game” . For a young fellow of 21 he came across as very level headed, very articulate. Economical in speech and on the field of play.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 13, 2022 21:31:17 GMT
Cork are a bit off us but they are closing the gap and Cleary in my opinion is a dangerous commodity to call upon.
On another note, any word on Gavin White, he has made no match day panel yet and he is well out of college yes?
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 13, 2022 21:43:22 GMT
Cork are a bit off us but they are closing the gap and Cleary in my opinion is a dangerous commodity to call upon. On another note, any word on Gavin White, he has made no match day panel yet and he is well out of college yes? On holidays apparently
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2022 21:59:23 GMT
Agree with you Horsebox 100%.Cleary very clever and Ricken so infectious that players would go to war for him. Cork will be very dangerous this year especially in PUC. Ah Jesus, no need of the yerras on here yet Mick! While i like the cut of rickens jib it will take 2 if not more years for him and the underage success to have a bearing. Underage success doesn't translate into senior straight away as we know ourselves! If cork get within a score of us in puc I would be asking serious questions about our management. We are better than cork in every conceivable measurable and a lot of those cork lads are carrying scars that won't heal easy from last year. I remember reading one time that a managers job is to persuade all team members to give their all in the interests of the team. I have no doubt that Cork will play to their potential under him. Thats all that can be asked. Very unlikely to beat Kerry but there is a back door this year and Cork will be a troublesome adversary for anyone in the qualifiers.
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Post by hatchetman on Jan 13, 2022 22:26:12 GMT
The discussion regarding the playing of Tony Brosnan and Jack Savage seems to be imbued with a little unpleasantness for reasons that are unknown to me. It is a legitimate question for debate and Buck has outlined the implications of it better than most. Yet we are told it is noise, a non issue, moaning and haters hating etc. Haters hating? That line brought this song into my head
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Post by shannonsider81 on Jan 14, 2022 0:13:00 GMT
This was exactly the case and well said. At the end of the day haters are going to hate, it seems to me. Like many I did not like one bit how the management transition was handled but time to move on and give Jack and players every support. Sorry lads, but couldn't disagree more! It is the management & his staff who need be conscious of players welfare and in some cases protect them from themselves. Playing Sigerson and then playing a nothing game in the evening is madness, no two ways about it. Jack can dress it up any way he want! The "players are driving this". If either of em got a clatter on the head and both insisted on staying on with a potential concussion would you say the same thing? This sums the situation up well in my view. They shouldn't have been playing the Tipp game, end of story. They were named on the Kerry squad before the Sigerson game when they should have been ruled out by management. Both players are trying to make an impression and score brownie points wherever they can, so I understand them doing it, but it shouldn't have been allowed.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jan 14, 2022 3:04:19 GMT
We are a far better team than Cork but I always fear them in PUC and we were far superior 2 years ago too but paid the price. Cork will be no pushover in Cork. Funnily enough the AFL player Mark Keane who scored the winning goal that night v Kerry has quit his AFL contract today. But he has joined the Cork hurling squad, not the football squad. I know Cork is a big hurling county first and foremost but I thought he would go in with the footballers.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 16:20:46 GMT
Listening to Smallfish podcast, New Podcast for Colm Parkinson they discussed the Brosnan and Savage Kerry commitments on Wednesday. Both Arron Kernan and Ger Brennan thought it was a awful call by JOC. Interestingly Ger Brennan who manages UCD and he said the word on the ground in Tralee on Wednesday was that both lads were asked to travel to Tipp rather than volunteer.
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Post by veteran on Jan 14, 2022 16:59:53 GMT
Listening to Smallfish podcast, New Podcast for Colm Parkinson they discussed the Brosnan and Savage Kerry commitments on Wednesday. Both Arron Kernan and Ger Brennan thought it was a awful call by JOC. Interestingly Ger Brennan who manages UCD and he said the word on the ground in Tralee on Wednesday was that both lads were asked to travel to Tipp rather than volunteer. How does one access that podcast , Royal?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 17:37:30 GMT
Listening to Smallfish podcast, New Podcast for Colm Parkinson they discussed the Brosnan and Savage Kerry commitments on Wednesday. Both Arron Kernan and Ger Brennan thought it was a awful call by JOC. Interestingly Ger Brennan who manages UCD and he said the word on the ground in Tralee on Wednesday was that both lads were asked to travel to Tipp rather than volunteer. How does one access that podcast , Royal? open.spotify.com/show/1ZrMdWZdp2viHhK58zlLbI?si=FWVUPOM1R4ufFgwpjxbjIw&utm_source=copy-link
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 17:38:44 GMT
Sorry my mistake it's called smallerfish Veteran. I added link above but 8 believe it's available in apple podcasts too.
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