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Post by The16thMan on Jan 12, 2022 23:58:57 GMT
Lads I can honestly see big changes to the team come Championship to what we saw last year. I think 2 probably goes to either Casey/O'Donoghue. 5 probably goes to Gavun Crowley with Breen being moved to CHB. I also think the pairing of Seánie and Spillane wilk be kept at midfield with maybe DOC at half forward with 1 probably SOB getting the 12 jersey. I think Clifford, Spillane and either Geaney or Brosnan as our Full Forward line. I can honestly say I feel we have the best first 15 and also best squad in the country. Dublin are probably 2nd and Tyrone 3rd. With the competition of places we have at the moment, the new management, ontop of the players missing from the 3 clubs in 3 different provincial Championship finals. This is the strongest Kerry panel I can remember for many a year. Also Gavin White has yet to come back as well. It's absolutely frightening.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 7:12:09 GMT
Lads I can honestly see big changes to the team come Championship to what we saw last year. I think 2 probably goes to either Casey/O'Donoghue. 5 probably goes to Gavun Crowley with Breen being moved to CHB. I also think the pairing of Seánie and Spillane wilk be kept at midfield with maybe DOC at half forward with 1 probably SOB getting the 12 jersey. I think Clifford, Spillane and either Geaney or Brosnan as our Full Forward line. I can honestly say I feel we have the best first 15 and also best squad in the country. Dublin are probably 2nd and Tyrone 3rd. With the competition of places we have at the moment, the new management, ontop of the players missing from the 3 clubs in 3 different provincial Championship finals. This is the strongest Kerry panel I can remember for many a year. Also Gavin White has yet to come back as well. It's absolutely frightening. easy go now, young Casey has not even played a game yet, will definitely be in contention, but let’s see how he performs at inter county level, as for midfield, I am afraid no way Adrian will be on your starting 15 come championship, but there is definitely lots to look forward too, early days but looks like the players are enjoying playing, appreciate the opposition have been very poor, cork will be interesting.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 13, 2022 9:16:16 GMT
Lads I can honestly see big changes to the team come Championship to what we saw last year. I think 2 probably goes to either Casey/O'Donoghue. 5 probably goes to Gavun Crowley with Breen being moved to CHB. I also think the pairing of Seánie and Spillane wilk be kept at midfield with maybe DOC at half forward with 1 probably SOB getting the 12 jersey. I think Clifford, Spillane and either Geaney or Brosnan as our Full Forward line. I can honestly say I feel we have the best first 15 and also best squad in the country. Dublin are probably 2nd and Tyrone 3rd. With the competition of places we have at the moment, the new management, ontop of the players missing from the 3 clubs in 3 different provincial Championship finals. This is the strongest Kerry panel I can remember for many a year. Also Gavin White has yet to come back as well. It's absolutely frightening. Wish I had your confidence the Famine is about to end!!! I pray to God it is well founded!!!!
Sully picked up on this and I want to ask the same question - when will these God damn water breaks stop? I thought it was only brought in because of Covid when the winter championship was on in 2020 because of fears the match fitness levels might not be what they were in normal times.
What's the point of them still being there?
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Post by ataboy on Jan 13, 2022 10:06:51 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage.
Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks.
I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 10:20:20 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage. Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks. I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this. lot of noice about a non issue, I think all it will too is contribute to the bonding of the squad, coming on for 10 minutes in a game that was over, no big deal in my book, agree it was not necessary but move on. There will be a busy time managing players that progress in sigerson over coming weeks, as it will clash with early rounds of league , compounded if the kerry clubs progress.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 10:29:32 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage. Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks. I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this. lot of noice about a non issue, I think all it will too is contribute to the bonding of the squad, coming on for 10 minutes in a game that was over, no big deal in my book, agree it was not necessary but move on. There will be a busy time managing players that progress in sigerson over coming weeks, as it will clash with early rounds of league , compounded if the kerry clubs progress. If either lad had done a ACL on that pitch last night it certainly wouldn't have been a non issue. There was no need to play either lad in that game. I think it was a very poor decision but they got away with it.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 13, 2022 10:31:37 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage. Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks. I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this. lot of noice about a non issue, I think all it will too is contribute to the bonding of the squad, coming on for 10 minutes in a game that was over, no big deal in my book, agree it was not necessary but move on. There will be a busy time managing players that progress in sigerson over coming weeks, as it will clash with early rounds of league , compounded if the kerry clubs progress. Playing a game in January, sitting in a bus to travel 2 hours to another match, to warm up and play the last ten minutes of a game and then getting back on the bus to drive another 2 hours home certainly isn't a non issue in my mind. Surely there were other players available that could have been drafted onto the panel who would have done well with their club in the club/county championships. It was mentioned here that Mayo had a "combine" recently and I think that is just another example in how they have stolen a march on Kerry in the last 5 years. We wouldn't have that type of thinking here. Jack O Connor was in Kildare for the last few years and wouldn't have seen much club football. Mike Quirke was in with Laois so he wouldn't have had the finger on the pulse of club action here either. Paddy Go Back would have seen nothing outside of Kerry teams on TV. Which leaves Diarmuid Murphy and Arthur Fitzgerald as the only people who would have seen players not part of the Kerry panel at the time.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 10:39:53 GMT
lot of noice about a non issue, I think all it will too is contribute to the bonding of the squad, coming on for 10 minutes in a game that was over, no big deal in my book, agree it was not necessary but move on. There will be a busy time managing players that progress in sigerson over coming weeks, as it will clash with early rounds of league , compounded if the kerry clubs progress. If either lad had done a ACL on that pitch last night it certainly wouldn't have been a non issue. There was no need to play either lad in that game. I think it was a very poor decision but they got away with it. you could do your ACL walking into a church, I am sure the guys were well looked after and we’re happy to be there , there both 26 year olds, different story if we were talking about 20 year olds, no harm done in my book. It was unnecessary but move on.
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Post by allrounder on Jan 13, 2022 10:40:52 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage. Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks. I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this. Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 10:47:02 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage. Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks. I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this. Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see. Id agree 100%, do I remember the lad from corofin playing club all ireland game, then flying up the motor way to play sigerson, that lad is still playing, happened a few years ago. I am sure the management considered the risks and made the decision to let them travel.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 10:48:44 GMT
If either lad had done a ACL on that pitch last night it certainly wouldn't have been a non issue. There was no need to play either lad in that game. I think it was a very poor decision but they got away with it. you could do your ACL walking into a church, I am sure the guys were well looked after and we’re happy to be there , there both 26 year olds, different story if we were talking about 20 year olds, no harm done in my book. It was unnecessary but move on. You could Mike but you can mitigate the risk especially when one player has had a lot of injuries over the past 2 years. Regarding the comment about people moaning on this forum. It's a forum for opinions and it would be boring if it was purely for cheer leading.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 10:55:05 GMT
you could do your ACL walking into a church, I am sure the guys were well looked after and we’re happy to be there , there both 26 year olds, different story if we were talking about 20 year olds, no harm done in my book. It was unnecessary but move on. You could Mike but you can mitigate the risk especially when one player has had a lot of injuries over the past 2 years. Regarding the comment about people moaning on this forum. It's a forum for opinions and it would be boring if it was purely for cheer leading. debate is good, just read the examiner article, think someone here not a fan 😂, but I think it sums up what was said above but in fairness good point on Tony re injuries. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40784229.html
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 11:09:15 GMT
you could do your ACL walking into a church, I am sure the guys were well looked after and we’re happy to be there , there both 26 year olds, different story if we were talking about 20 year olds, no harm done in my book. It was unnecessary but move on. You could Mike but you can mitigate the risk especially when one player has had a lot of injuries over the past 2 years. Regarding the comment about people moaning on this forum. It's a forum for opinions and it would be boring if it was purely for cheer leading. royal fan I had a chuckle to myself, just recalled the injuries a player had over the last 2 years were mostly not to do with playing football, dropping weight on foot and climbing over gate comes to mind, I can understand the exuberance to play. 😂
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 11:33:30 GMT
You could Mike but you can mitigate the risk especially when one player has had a lot of injuries over the past 2 years. Regarding the comment about people moaning on this forum. It's a forum for opinions and it would be boring if it was purely for cheer leading. royal fan I had a chuckle to myself, just recalled the injuries a player had over the last 2 years were mostly not to do with playing football, dropping weight on foot and climbing over gate comes to mind, I can understand the exuberance to play. 😂 I never knew about the gate 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 12:32:01 GMT
Ridiculous from Jack to play the two lads. He will with a straight face later in the year be complaining about the workload on players and stopping fringe panelist’s from playing with their clubs.
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Post by john4 on Jan 13, 2022 13:43:18 GMT
Did Jack give an interview after the match. I'd be interested to know he's rationale behind playing the 2 lads. I'm sure it's a question he'll be asked at some point if not already. On the face of it, it seemed daft and unnecessary but only Jack can give the reason for why they needed to be played.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 13:48:30 GMT
Did Jack give an interview after the match. I'd be interested to know he's rationale behind playing the 2 lads. I'm sure it's a question he'll be asked at some point if not already. On the face of it, it seemed daft and unnecessary but only Jack can give the reason for why they needed to be played. the link to his comments after the game are in the examiner link in earlier post.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 13, 2022 14:44:55 GMT
Interesting points raised on last nights game, I think we have to seriously take into consideration the opposition or more so the level of opposition played to date, I think we will know a hell of a lot more after Saturday week after we have played Cork in Killarney. That clash will be a progressive step up in class, pace and ability as well as being a bit more tactically astute in both their own plays and attacking our line.
It will be interesting to see our aggressive press and counter attack approach being tested in the wide open spaces of Killarney against better opposition.
On Savage and Brosnan, whereas one commends their commitment and eagerness to impress, I think this is more a case of better player management and taking the choice out of the players hands should have been adopted.
Still no harm done and more players will be available from here on in.
Looking back at yesterday’s game, although Seanie’s positioning at centre field was more out of necessity, can people see him staying there, there are compelling arguments for both but what was interesting was yesterday he was moved to the forty with Adam was introduced.
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Post by ataboy on Jan 13, 2022 15:12:46 GMT
Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see. Id agree 100%, do I remember the lad from corofin playing club all ireland game, then flying up the motor way to play sigerson, that lad is still playing, happened a few years ago. I am sure the management considered the risks and made the decision to let them travel. This is no way comparable. That Corofin player played in an All Ireland club semi final and then an All Ireland final (Sigerson). How could you compare that to a McGrath Cup game? In the context of things a pretty meaningless game. Giving the players the option to travel is poor man management. I don't buy this idea that players want to play so let them tog out. There's plenty more players than just Savage and Brosnan who would like to play but that option isn't given to them. It should have been the same for those 2. Will be interesting to see how Jack plays this in the first couple of weeks of the league. Would worry you could have Clifford, Brosnan, Mike Breen, Okunbar, Dara Moynihan playing 3 games a week. This is why the GAA need to take this out of the hands of inter county managers who make crazy decisions.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 13, 2022 15:25:40 GMT
Two lads wanting the opportunity to be part of the Kerry team in 2022 were given 10 minutes of encouragement to keep training and trying - no crime in that. Sometimes we over analyse and critique what is happening and maybe we should just enjoy the ride, particularly at this early stage of the season. No teams are picked in January and nothing of worth is won - but mileage in the legs is money in the bank (or so one of Jack's training entourage kept telling his charges) early in the year.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 13, 2022 15:34:02 GMT
Id agree 100%, do I remember the lad from corofin playing club all ireland game, then flying up the motor way to play sigerson, that lad is still playing, happened a few years ago. I am sure the management considered the risks and made the decision to let them travel. This is no way comparable. That Corofin player played in an All Ireland club semi final and then an All Ireland final (Sigerson). How could you compare that to a McGrath Cup game? In the context of things a pretty meaningless game. Giving the players the option to travel is poor man management. I don't buy this idea that players want to play so let them tog out. There's plenty more players than just Savage and Brosnan who would like to play but that option isn't given to them. It should have been the same for those 2. Will be interesting to see how Jack plays this in the first couple of weeks of the league. Would worry you could have Clifford, Brosnan, Mike Breen, Okunbar, Dara Moynihan playing 3 games a week. This is why the GAA need to take this out of the hands of inter county managers who make crazy decisions. 100% comparable, let us not judge what is important to a player to be involved in a team,it’s there time being sacrificed, not that it makes any difference, as for brining in a few players, collect them in castle-island on the way is it, he did bring in 2 I assume, being eanna and Adam o don, I don’t think either are on panel, and they got plenty game time, sensible decisions, I can’t think of 2 many more players out there that would meet the standard, imo. I think you might want to read Aidan o mahony comments about how he with JoC managed the players work load over last few weeks, very admirable IMO.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 13, 2022 15:45:38 GMT
Lads are we not blowing this out of proportion?
I’m sure the lads were asked did they fell up to it and some assessment would have been made of their fitness.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 13, 2022 15:53:43 GMT
www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/im-just-delighted-with-the-lads-attitude-says-kerry-boss-jack-oconnor-41234713.html‘I’ m just delighted with the lads’ attitude,’ says Kerry boss Jack O’ConnorMichael Verney Kerry manager Jack O'Connor was happy with the Kingdom's performance in Templetuohy, Tipperary on Wednesday night. Photo: Brendan Moran/Sportsfile Kerry football boss Jack O’Connor is delighted to have an extra week to prepare for the McGrath Cup decider against Cork after the Munster pre-season competition was put back a week amid a hectic fixtures schedule. O’Connor saw the second game of his third coming as Kerry manger go according to plan as they swatted Tipperary aside by 21 points in Templetuohy last night, with a much bigger test awaiting them against the Rebels in Killarney next week. “Keith Ricken (Cork manager) is right, there is a lot of pressure on young lads, with colleges fixtures and that. The postponement will give a few more lads the opportunity to be involved in the final now that it is put back a week,” O’Connor said. Read More It was a particularly busy day for the MTU Kerry pair of Tony Brosnan and Jack Savage as the attacking duo helped the Kingdom college to a surprise Sigerson Cup victory over UCD yesterday afternoon in Tralee before making the 400km round-trip to feature last night off the bench. Both players scored in the two matches and Brosnan showed his resilience, as the Dr Crokes forward had to be temporarily replace due to a knock in the earlier game. “I’m just delighted with the lads’ attitude again. It would be easy come up here and be a little bit off, but they were on the money from the beginning and just showed tremendous hunger and attitude, and I’m delighted with that,” O’Connor added. “Tony and Jack were tremendous, I didn’t ask them to come up at all, they wanted to be involved. They volunteered themselves. That is great to see, because those lads are mad to get every minute they can in a Kerry jersey, which is great..------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Folks need to calm down here. The players have taken ownership and are driving this themselves and it's great to see.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 13, 2022 15:58:50 GMT
Scandalous the decision to play Brosnan and Savage. Wonder will Tony Leen have any article about this, something that is matters compared to the rubbish on his paper in the last few weeks. I find it difficult to support a manager who is doing this. Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see. This was exactly the case and well said. At the end of the day haters are going to hate, it seems to me. Like many I did not like one bit how the management transition was handled but time to move on and give Jack and players every support.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 13, 2022 16:01:11 GMT
Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see. This was exactly the case and well said. At the end of the day haters are going to hate, it seems to me. Like many I did not like one bit how the management transition was handled but time to move on and give Jack and players every support. Well said, completely agree.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 16:06:56 GMT
Maybe just maybe the two lads wanted to travel, wanted to play. I'm sure there wasn't a gun put to their head. What's scandalous is the constant need to moan and criticize individuals on this forum. I commend the two lads for showing their commitment. Both lads trying to make a break through. Fair f**ks to them, it's refreshing to see. This was exactly the case and well said. At the end of the day haters are going to hate, it seems to me. Like many I did not like one bit how the management transition was handled but time to move on and give Jack and players every support. I didn't support the appointment but I support him and the team now. I'm not a hater just calling out something that was bizarre to me. Either way it's done now and thankfully no issues arose. Back to the game I'd be interested in opinions on, Seanie at 8 ? I know Tipp were brutal but he looked good there to me. On a separate note has Dylan Casey played underage for Kerry I'm trying to recall and I couldn't. His AIB club interview was very good and he sounds like the man we need.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2022 16:20:38 GMT
Two lads wanting the opportunity to be part of the Kerry team in 2022 were given 10 minutes of encouragement to keep training and trying - no crime in that. Sometimes we over analyse and critique what is happening and maybe we should just enjoy the ride, particularly at this early stage of the season. No teams are picked in January and nothing of worth is won - but mileage in the legs is money in the bank (or so one of Jack's training entourage kept telling his charges) early in the year. I'd say Brosnan and Savage are buzzing today. I know players can be their own worst enemies and at times need to be 'saved from themselves'but these two lads seem to be chomping at the bit. I get the point at player burnout. Maybe a more salient point is whether its fair on the college team mates trying to win the Sigerson
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 13, 2022 16:44:24 GMT
This was exactly the case and well said. At the end of the day haters are going to hate, it seems to me. Like many I did not like one bit how the management transition was handled but time to move on and give Jack and players every support. I didn't support the appointment but I support him and the team now. I'm not a hater just calling out something that was bizarre to me. Either way it's done now and thankfully no issues arose. Back to the game I'd be interested in opinions on, Seanie at 8 ? I know Tipp were brutal but he looked good there to me. On a separate note has Dylan Casey played underage for Kerry I'm trying to recall and I couldn't. His AIB club interview was very good and he sounds like the man we need. He was an u17 the year they played both an u17 and u18 championship to bring down the age to u17. He started for the u20s in both 2019 and 2020.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 13, 2022 16:56:12 GMT
I didn't support the appointment but I support him and the team now. I'm not a hater just calling out something that was bizarre to me. Either way it's done now and thankfully no issues arose. Back to the game I'd be interested in opinions on, Seanie at 8 ? I know Tipp were brutal but he looked good there to me. On a separate note has Dylan Casey played underage for Kerry I'm trying to recall and I couldn't. His AIB club interview was very good and he sounds like the man we need. He was an u17 the year they played both an u17 and u18 championship to bring down the age to u17. He started for the u20s in both 2019 and 2020. Thank you, Would he have made an impression in those grades?
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Post by taggert on Jan 13, 2022 17:44:33 GMT
He was an u17 the year they played both an u17 and u18 championship to bring down the age to u17. He started for the u20s in both 2019 and 2020. Thank you, Would he have made an impression in those grades? He was solid but more importantly at 21, captain and showing maturity beyond his years, playing top level with Stacks and already accounting for Spillane, Seanie and Clifford in club / county c'ship, the trajectory is high and potential is huge. Unlike other defenders we have who are ineffectual when their man wins the ball, Dylan is comfortable in that situation. He is physically strong. Just needs games for Kerry now and at least the club c'ship finishes soon - this wkd and a potential 2 more games up to Feb 13th. One for the future but I think this summer too.
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