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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 14, 2022 17:45:12 GMT
Listening to Smallfish podcast, New Podcast for Colm Parkinson they discussed the Brosnan and Savage Kerry commitments on Wednesday. Both Arron Kernan and Ger Brennan thought it was a awful call by JOC. Interestingly Ger Brennan who manages UCD and he said the word on the ground in Tralee on Wednesday was that both lads were asked to travel to Tipp rather than volunteer. Ah this has spiralled, I suppose it is 'silly season' and anything out of the norm will be escalated to fill newspaper or media columns. If anything, for me it highlights the two players willingness, ok admittedly the players played a full blooded college game and it not just the ten minutes played by the lads in Tipperary, it's more the journey there and back and more so the lack of recovery. Still the agreement to postpone by seven days to cater or prevent any college overlap should elevate any additional welfare issues. Jack is known for controversy, he has never shirked from his blinkered plans but still has this been blown out of so proportions.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 17:56:41 GMT
With respect I disagree horse.
The reason it bothers me and the reason i had reservations about this management team is that this would not happen in another top county because the sports science and medical team wouldn't support it.
Before anyone mentions it it's not up to the two players.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 14, 2022 18:08:08 GMT
RoyleKerryFan. I see your point and I've managed teams and players and at times your more important role is seeing what is best for players and overruling them.
Every player wants to play, often even when injured and as manager, yes ones roke is to step in and make the call on their behalf and take the decision out of their hands.
So yes I understand the concept and your view point.
However, I just think this topic has been blown out of all proportion and ironically by even discussing here I'm half adding fuel to the fire.
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Post by kot on Jan 14, 2022 18:10:10 GMT
Listening to Smallfish podcast, New Podcast for Colm Parkinson they discussed the Brosnan and Savage Kerry commitments on Wednesday. Both Arron Kernan and Ger Brennan thought it was a awful call by JOC. Interestingly Ger Brennan who manages UCD and he said the word on the ground in Tralee on Wednesday was that both lads were asked to travel to Tipp rather than volunteer. Ah this has spiralled, I suppose it is 'silly season' and anything out of the norm will be escalated to fill newspaper or media columns. If anything, for me it highlights the two players willingness, ok admittedly the players played a full blooded college game and it not just the ten minutes played by the lads in Tipperary, it's more the journey there and back and more so the lack of recovery. Still the agreement to postpone by seven days to cater or prevent any college overlap should elevate any additional welfare issues. Jack is known for controversy, he has never shirked from his blinkered plans but still has this been blown out of so proportions. It's not blown out of proportion though? The notion that players can play multiple games in a day (even back the day after back) is archaic. Any player who has struggled to make an impact and has a new manager is going to push to play. The management, physios & doctors should have been sensible enough to say "not tonight" Seen comments saying that they played 12 minutes with no incidents. Thats not the point! The point is they were at higher risk of pulling up BECAUSE they played earlier. And its longer term wear and tear so there is a higher chance it will cause them problems down the line than if they didn't tog out and recovered properly. While not quite at the scale of British Tories saying "forget it & move on" after partygate , I'm a little staggered that more than a handful on here think that this was anything other than poor judgement by the management team.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 18:10:46 GMT
RoyleKerryFan. I see your point and I've managed teams and players and at times your more important role is seeing what is best for players and overruling them. Every player wants to play, often even when injured and as manager, yes ones roke is to step in and make the call on their behalf and take the decision out of their hands. So yes I understand the concept and your view point. However, I just think this topic has been blown out of all proportion and ironically by even discussing here I'm half adding fuel to the fire. Fair play horse, I enjoy your contributions and did on the HS also.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 14, 2022 18:25:19 GMT
Jack has often been the master of deflection, while the masses discuss topic A, Jack is stoking topic B in the background unbeknownst to all.
Time will tell I suppose, still as stated the weeks deferral will be of benefit to students and players wishing to please two masters.
Where you on HS RoyleKerryFan?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 18:27:50 GMT
I was in a previous life as Westkerry but I didn't have the patience for the nonsense on there at times. It wasn't so much a sports forum but a slagging match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 18:46:22 GMT
The real issue and someone touched on it already is what does playing the two lads say about Jacks attitude towards sports science and player welfare. Wound any other elite sports team do this. People say Jack is our of touch with the modern game. Incidents like this don’t help.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 19:25:12 GMT
The real issue and someone touched on it already is what does playing the two lads say about Jacks attitude towards sports science and player welfare. Wound any other elite sports team do this. People say Jack is our of touch with the modern game. Incidents like this don’t help. This is exactly my point.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 14, 2022 20:11:48 GMT
I was in a previous life as Westkerry but I didn't have the patience for the nonsense on there at times. It wasn't so much a sports forum but a slagging match. Ya i remember you, Jez that's a fair few years ago. That was along the same time as Cute Kerry Hoor and Moo Moo were the main stays. You were fair active, but ya agree, the site became fair loose and it just became besieged by posters that just wanted a reaction as opposed to a decent debate or discussion. Here is more akin to what I'm interested in and te be fair it's well marshalled.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 14, 2022 20:40:19 GMT
The real issue and someone touched on it already is what does playing the two lads say about Jacks attitude towards sports science and player welfare. Wound any other elite sports team do this. People say Jack is our of touch with the modern game. Incidents like this don’t help. This is exactly my point. The fact is that Tony Brosnan went off injured for a bit in the game for Tralee and came back on in that game. I would be very surprised if this wouldn't be an automatic firing offence for a manager of any professional team if they did something similar i.e. bringing a player who went off injured in one game on in a second game on the same day in a meaningless pre-season tournament when the match was already well won, given the lack of duty of care it displays. There's no way any decent professional manager would have even considered doing this.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 14, 2022 20:57:06 GMT
This is exactly my point. The fact is that Tony Brosnan went off injured for a bit in the game for Tralee and came back on in that game. I would be very surprised if this wouldn't be an automatic firing offence for a manager of any professional team if they did something similar i.e. bringing a player who went off injured in one game on in a second game on the same day in a meaningless pre-season tournament when the match was already well won, given the lack of duty of care it displays. There's no way any decent professional manager would have even considered doing this. all I can say,, is I think your way off the mark, agenda maybe, if the rest of the squad are showing the same desire as those boys, then we are in good shape as a squad, I think we all agreed there was no need to bring them, but talking to a guy to day close to the boys, they wanted to go, yes management should have prob said no, as I mentioned in a previous post, the boys work load was managed very well between MTUK and Kerry over the last few weeks. I do find your tone a bit off and I don’t think it’s you caring about the welfare of the players, but more a targeting of the Manager. I think the general consensus was time to move on, all agree it could have been managed better, water under the bridge. O if I could, I would have played both games in my day😂, just the love of the game, let them enjoy it.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 14, 2022 21:03:39 GMT
The fact is that Tony Brosnan went off injured for a bit in the game for Tralee and came back on in that game. I would be very surprised if this wouldn't be an automatic firing offence for a manager of any professional team if they did something similar i.e. bringing a player who went off injured in one game on in a second game on the same day in a meaningless pre-season tournament when the match was already well won, given the lack of duty of care it displays. There's no way any decent professional manager would have even considered doing this. all I can say,, is I think your way off the mark, agenda maybe, if the rest of the squad are showing the same desire as those boys, then we are in good shape as a squad, I think we all agreed there was no need to bring them, but talking to a guy to day close to the boys, they wanted to go, yes management should have prob said no, as I mentioned in a previous post, the boys work load was managed very well between MTUK and Kerry over the last few weeks. I do find your tone a bit off and I don’t think it’s you caring about the welfare of the players, but more a targeting of the Manager. I think the general consensus was time to move on, all agree it could have been managed better, water under the bridge. O if I could, I would have played both games in my day😂, just the love of the game, let them enjoy it. That's what I was alluding to: A. Yes, shouldn't have happened B. We can see how it happened C. It should/could have been handled better D. We got away with it E. So we learn from it and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 21:27:51 GMT
Have we learnt from it or will Jack continues to ignore all known best practice
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 14, 2022 23:33:56 GMT
1- Warm up 2- Play high intensity full game 3- Warm down 4- Shower 5- drive 200k 6- Warm up 7- sit in stand 8- Warm up again 9- Play 12 minutes 10- Shower 11- Drive 200k home.
Now this is my last post on this point but if anyone thinks the above is acceptable well that is mind boggling to me.
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Post by john4 on Jan 14, 2022 23:37:16 GMT
Anyone hear about Eamonn Breen arriving at, what probably was a 2 hour training session with Kerry in Fitzgerald stadium in Killarney with bits of mortar stuck to his t-shirt after probably plastering half a house before getting into the car/van. And get up the following morning and plaster the other half!!! Jess, I'd love to know his take on this 😜
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 23:38:03 GMT
I don't agree that the two boys are showing great heart by playing two games the one day. I'm pretty sure Seanie Ó Shea or Clifford would nt do it and they have great heart. My take on it is both Brosnan and Savage know they are not guareteed starters and maybe not guarenteed first 26 even so they feel they have to play every chance they get. Now maybe Jack was wrong but I'd say the players wanted to play(that's what Jack Ó Connor said anyway although Jack has spoken out of both sides of his mouth before). In reality though if people were so worried about player welfare its the training sessions that should be cut down on. Not the matches. I ll admit it's been a long time since I've played but the warm up before championship games is nearly harder than a match and certainly harder than a McGrath cup game. For me the train g is harder than games and players love games. I just think in the modern era folk love to find fault and I think this is really blown out of all proportion. I agree with you Mick. These aren't two 18/19 year olds these are two 26 year old men making their own decisions and I for 1 won't be slating them or Jack O'Connor for it, like you say theyll have harder training sessions in the coming weeks. People saying this is isn't professional of Jack well Jack is a volunteer just like the rest of the panel.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 15, 2022 2:39:29 GMT
Jazus such B.S. re laddos 2 x 1 hour tilts in the round of a day? What would our mothers and fathers think of us?
How many 16 stone bags was lifted?
'Twas less that piking 2 loads of bales of hay - I often did 5 or 6 an me only a sap - ffs, etc!
PO'6, Horse, Egan, D Earley Snr, et al - laughin their arses off - a 6 hour HT break and all between water breaks!
Hey, Jacko'c got the gig to manage the rig!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 15, 2022 10:36:39 GMT
Silly season indeed.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 15, 2022 13:11:05 GMT
What outcome are people looking for here?
Jack to issue a public apology? To resign? None of these are gona happen.
It’s happened and they are probably aware that it was a mistake so we will have to hope it doesn’t happen again
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Post by dc84 on Jan 15, 2022 16:57:28 GMT
With respect I disagree horse. The reason it bothers me and the reason i had reservations about this management team is that this would not happen in another top county because the sports science and medical team wouldn't support it. Before anyone mentions it it's not up to the two players. While i think its a bit silly the 2 lads playing the two games its not a huge deal for me tbh. What was the score /intensity like when he brought the 2 lads on was it a really hard fought physical battle ? No it wasn't it was a cake walk id say Jack saw it as a reward for the commitment shown. People love to be outraged these days !
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Post by mike70 on Jan 17, 2022 15:18:19 GMT
Anyone know if the final is being streamed on Saturday.
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Post by Kerry GAA Officer on Jan 17, 2022 16:02:55 GMT
⚠️Tickets for the McGrath Cup Final will be released on Wednesday at 10am. Very likely it will sell out with the capacity restricted to 5000 so please buy early! ⚠️
Munster GAA will also stream the game
Please see their website for further details
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Post by veteran on Jan 17, 2022 16:05:30 GMT
⚠️Tickets for the McGrath Cup Final will be released on Wednesday at 10am. Very likely it will sell out with the capacity restricted to 5000 so please buy early! ⚠️ Munster GAA will also stream the game Please see their website for further details Thanks for that. All going well I would hope to travel .
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Post by thehermit on Jan 20, 2022 20:55:37 GMT
Seems the last few tickets for Saturday sold out this morning.
Suppose the team won't be named till the morning of the match like the last two games?
Has anyone been keeping much of an eye on Cork in the competition in terms of the team they're picking. Is Ricken sticking with more or less the panel Ronan McCarthy was working with or has he got the sweeping brush out?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 20, 2022 21:16:52 GMT
I not surprised the game is a sell out, but I am surprised that it has sold out already, I was expecting it to reach full covid capacity maybe tomorrow or even Saturday morning.
Against Waterford this team took the field. J Creedon (Iveleary); P Allen (Newmarket), S Meehan (Kiskeam, Capt), T Corkery (Cill na Martra); L Fahy (Ballincollig), K Histon (Nemo Rangers), M Taylor (Mallow); J Grimes (Clonakilty), C Kiely (Ballincollig); E Cooke (Ballincollig), B Murphy (St Vincent’s), K O’Donovan (Nemo Rangers); A Ó Luasa (Naomh Abán), B Hurley (Castlehaven), D Dineen (Cill na Martra)
Against Clare, the following side lined out; C Kelly; K Crowley, S Meehan, P Ring; R Maguire, S Powter, C Kiely; J Grimes, P Walsh; D O’Connell, F Herlihy, C O’Callaghan; M Cronin, B Hurley, D Gore.
As for ourselves, the last few games the team was selected on the day, but in saying that there was Sigerson in or around these fixtures, however, in this instance there is a few days grace. I would imagine the team kicked out tonight in training so I see no reason what the side could not be named tomorrow, in fairness the full 24 has been named to date, the lack of sub listed last year was a serious bug bearer for me.
Looking at the last two games, going on that panel, the team would be fairly along the same lines, I would envisage Ryan, Donoghue, Foley, Tom Sull, Morley, Breen, Crowley, O’Shea, Spillane, Savage, Crowley, O’Brien, Brosnan, Clifford, Spillane.
I would love to see game time for Greg Horan on the wing, actually speaking of Rockies, any update on the knocks to Joseph O’Connor and the more recent Dylan Casey knock ?
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Post by mike70 on Jan 20, 2022 21:38:31 GMT
Breen was missing for Tralee college on Tuesday, so might not make squad, but I think Greg is definetly worth a run, maybe even in the half back line.
Cork team will be interesting, shaping for the league, so you might expect a strong team.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 20, 2022 21:45:11 GMT
I would like to see Greg more in a wing forward role, we have adequate cover in defence but are light on bodies, suitable bodies for wing forward roles.
I think Jack will reward Savage and Brosnan for their well publicised double jaunt last week. I expect Savage to get a wing role, I still expect Stephen to get the other wing spot but as I said, I'd love to give Horan a shot to see how he'd fair out.
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Post by thehermit on Jan 20, 2022 21:54:27 GMT
Yes hope both sides go for it and we get a good old tussle. Hard to believe the League is only a week away - 3 weekends of Kerry games in a row to look forward to and it appears we will be back to 100% capacity if the reports are accurate that almost all restrictions are said to be lifted. Considering I've been allowed attend a grand total of 3 Kerry games since 1 March 2020 this really is something to enjoy
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 20, 2022 21:57:33 GMT
On a non McGrath Cup point interesting to see Paul Galvin going in to a coaching role in Kildare. I was surprised to be honest as he apparently turned down Kerry last year due to living above in Mayo. Would have been great having him on board i think he has a great football outlook.
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