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Post by rovingfullforward on Jan 7, 2022 12:22:12 GMT
That was bad alrite and showed he had lost concentration. Shane Ryan has only improved and I thought he had a fine year in 2021. The one area Murphy can possibly trump him is kick out but gun to head I reckon Shane Ryan will be number one in the summer. Ya and Murphy is small and light looking, he doesn't have the same presence as Ryan, Ryan's kickouts have improved as well. If Ryan wants his place he could do with actually playing in goal for his club instead of at full-forward, then he could work on his kick-outs etc. Jack is unlikely to be impressed with a part-time goalie.
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Post by heyjude on Jan 7, 2022 12:23:57 GMT
For sure Stefan is definitely a work in progress and expectations need to be tempered but he can definitely add value to this squad and can cover at least three positions which in itself is invaluable. I personally expect his role to be an impact one and not a starting job.
I believe there’s more hype being placed on him from National media and other counties rather than within Kerry. I’ve seen him listed on a number of ‘players to watch' lists already which doesn't help.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 7, 2022 12:36:07 GMT
For me one of the most interesting aspects of the Austin Stacks v St. Finbarrs match will be the midfield clash. St. Finbarrs are very strong here with Ian McGuire and Brian Hayes. I rate Ian McGuire very highly. He will present Joe O’Connor with the test we were hoping he would get against David Moran. We should know a lot more about Joe after that clash and if he can match or overcome Ian it would be reasonable to conclude that we are dealing with a real one here. I am not sure we will see the contest you are anticipating - O’Connor is a runner/carrier as opposed to a high fielding midfielder- don’t expect a match up in that sense nor do I see Maguire being dragged all over the pitch in an effort to thwart O’Connor. Stacks game plan vs Strand Rd vis a vis O’Connor /David Moran was for O’Connor to tire out David by doing a lot of running - similar to Tyrone vs Darragh O’Sé in ‘08 - there was never going to be a high fielding match up.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 7, 2022 12:51:54 GMT
I'm interested in the debate around the keepers. There was a scramble on here for a long time under EF that he should have Shane Ryan in goals. Has Shane let us down in a big game ? He has a big frame and is a big presence in goals. His kickouts aren't bad although Murphys is arguably better. I don't think he has done anything to be dropped IMO.
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 7, 2022 12:55:34 GMT
For sure Stefan is definitely a work in progress and expectations need to be tempered but he can definitely add value to this squad and can cover at least three positions which in itself is invaluable. I personally expect his role to be an impact one and not a starting job. I believe there’s more hype being placed on him from National media and other counties rather than within Kerry. I’ve seen him listed on a number of ‘players to watch' lists already which doesn't help. I think his athleticism is something we need to accommodate- MDMA wasn’t exactly the most skilful midfielder but was most effective- could see a similar role for Stefan.
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Post by Fado on Jan 7, 2022 13:11:47 GMT
I can see Stefan as a possible at No 5, can't see another position for him at the moment.
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Post by ciarrai78 on Jan 7, 2022 14:04:52 GMT
I see Joe Grimes from Listowel is named at midfield on the Cork team. Clearly a reward for a number of very impressive displays (according to the media) in the Cork county championship. While I don't believe Joe would have made the grade at midfield for his own county but he must be a serious loss to Listowel Emmets who also have other "diaspora" playing at a higher standard outside the county .......
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Post by iceman on Jan 7, 2022 14:08:43 GMT
I'm interested in the debate around the keepers. There was a scramble on here for a long time under EF that he should have Shane Ryan in goals. Has Shane let us down in a big game ? He has a big frame and is a big presence in goals. His kickouts aren't bad although Murphys is arguably better. I don't think he has done anything to be dropped IMO.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 7, 2022 14:12:17 GMT
I'm not sure Joe exactly mopped the floor with Jack Barry in the county semi-final either. There's a lot of talk about (mostly imaginary) hyping of Stefan but IDK is he the fella we're getting most ahead of ourselves about at the moment tbh. Agreed and the county final is a bit of an aberration aswell due to the injuries to Mush and David
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 14:15:04 GMT
Ya and Murphy is small and light looking, he doesn't have the same presence as Ryan, Ryan's kickouts have improved as well. If Ryan wants his place he could do with actually playing in goal for his club instead of at full-forward, then he could work on his kick-outs etc. Jack is unlikely to be impressed with a part-time goalie. I wasn't impressed the Last time Murphy played for us and I was glad to see the back of him. He got hurt very easily against Rahillys coz he's so light, he's a Brendan Kealy 2.0 and we know how bad that fella was between the sticks. Ryan might not play in goals for his club but he's got a lot about him and he won't be pushed around in the square.
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Post by iceman on Jan 7, 2022 14:19:02 GMT
Very interesting debate around the goalkeeper selection, i would have a preference for Ryan as he has improved year on year and i would have question marks about Murphy when the pressure comes on. Having lisented to Jack O Connor in the examiner podcast when he put himself forward for the kerry job, its clear hes looking for a different type of half forward than we used last year so its unlikely we'll see Dara Moynihan and SOB as are our starters come championship, its clear he'll be looking to unearth a few workhorses, maybe Steffan will be tried there in the league
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Post by rovingfullforward on Jan 7, 2022 14:28:50 GMT
If Ryan wants his place he could do with actually playing in goal for his club instead of at full-forward, then he could work on his kick-outs etc. Jack is unlikely to be impressed with a part-time goalie. I wasn't impressed the Last time Murphy played for us and I was glad to see the back of him. He got hurt very easily against Rahillys coz he's so light, he's a Brendan Kealy 2.0 and we know how bad that fella was between the sticks. Ryan might not play in goals for his club but he's got a lot about him and he won't be pushed around in the square. cop on to yourself, there's no need for that.
He got fouled by being taken out in the air, size has no impact in an intentional collision like that when you're in the air A goalie should play in goal, it's a specialised position. Shane Ryan does not play in goal with enough regularity
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2022 14:29:11 GMT
Very interesting debate around the goalkeeper selection, i would have a preference for Ryan as he has improved year on year and i would have question marks about Murphy when the pressure comes on. Having lisented to Jack O Connor in the examiner podcast when he put himself forward for the kerry job, its clear hes looking for a different type of half forward than we used last year so its unlikely we'll see Dara Moynihan and SOB as are our starters come championship, its clear he'll be looking to unearth a few workhorses, maybe Steffan will be tried there in the league I was thinking that too regarding the wing forwards after hearing his comments on the examiner podcast, but he has very few who fit the bill on the panel. I was expecting him to have a lot of potential wing forwards with athleticism and physicality for a look. Stefan definitely wouldn’t be a wing forward anyway, pushing him any farther up the pitch than midfield would be madness. Likely we’ll see Diarmuid O’Connor, Adrian Spillane and Greg Horan line out at wing forward at different stages. I think Diarmuid is a good fit there if we’ve 2 other strong options at midfield. Adrian I don’t think offers enough in attack for a wing forward. I don’t know if Horan does or doesn’t offer enough in attack as we haven’t seen him at this level.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 7, 2022 14:31:18 GMT
I'm interested in the debate around the keepers. There was a scramble on here for a long time under EF that he should have Shane Ryan in goals. Has Shane let us down in a big game ? He has a big frame and is a big presence in goals. His kickouts aren't bad although Murphys is arguably better. I don't think he has done anything to be dropped IMO. I also don’t get this, I really rate the Rathmore man, he hasn’t let us down in the last two years, his kickouts which was an early issue have radically improved but also this issue is also pending on the movement of the outfield players. He is considerably more imposing than the Crokes man, I don’t get the tòr regarding change here, admittedly I would rather see him in goals for his club side but as a keeper rating point of view, I would have him o ahead of the Crokes man by a bit. Still competition for places will keep both on their toes, on this point does anyone know who is the new goalkeeper coach under Jack. No offence to the man, but I always had reservations on the Kilcummin man as a net minder, so naturally these reservations followed on he the overseeing goalkeeping progression and training, Does Diarmuid Murphy double in this regard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 14:31:37 GMT
Goalkeeper is a weakness when it come to our competitors. Ryan is ok but not in the top 5 in the country currently. We tend to judge keepers by whether they make mistakes rather than the positive impact they have on the game.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 7, 2022 14:32:14 GMT
Lots of chat on here about who might and might not make make the cut but what is this being judged on?
Past performances may be irrelevant.
Jack and Tally may decide that 'losing possession easily' is a mortal sin.
It is looking that way at the moment anyway.
So when evaluating players for 2022, the key performance indicator to borrow that awful term from the corporate world is this..... can they play the game the way Dublin played it in 2019 and 2020 and Tyrone played it in 2021.
This involves having excellent close control, playing with the head up, having vision etc, movement, interlinking play egc
That would be my way of seeing things now.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2022 14:39:32 GMT
I'm interested in the debate around the keepers. There was a scramble on here for a long time under EF that he should have Shane Ryan in goals. Has Shane let us down in a big game ? He has a big frame and is a big presence in goals. His kickouts aren't bad although Murphys is arguably better. I don't think he has done anything to be dropped IMO. I also don’t get this, I really rate the Rathmore man, he hasn’t let us down in the last two years, his kickouts which was an early issue have radically improved but also this issue is also pending on the movement of the outfield players. He is considerably more imposing than the Crokes man, I don’t get the tòr regarding change here, admittedly I would rather see him in goals for his club side but as a keeper rating point of view, I would have him o ahead of the Crokes man by a bit. Still competition for places will keep both on their toes, on this point does anyone know who is the new goalkeeper coach under Jack. No offence to the man, but I always had reservations on the Kilcummin man as a net minder, so naturally these reservations followed on he the overseeing goalkeeping progression and training, Does Diarmuid Murphy double in this regard. Brendan Kealy is still goalkeeping coach. Was with the team Wednesday night. Actually looked to be filling in as sub goalie, was warming up with the rest of the subs. No sign of Shane Ryan despite being named.
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Post by onlykerry on Jan 7, 2022 15:30:08 GMT
JOC tends to like having a disruptor in the half forward line - he is willing to sacrifice a scoring/attacking forward for a guy who's main job is to slow the opposition giving time for the defence to get organised - if the guy can win turnovers even better and the icing on the cake is if he can contribute the odd score. However the number 1 job is to stop fast breakouts by the opposition.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 7, 2022 15:56:56 GMT
JOC tends to like having a disruptor in the half forward line - he is willing to sacrifice a scoring/attacking forward for a guy who's main job is to slow the opposition giving time for the defence to get organised - if the guy can win turnovers even better and the icing on the cake is if he can contribute the odd score. However the number 1 job is to stop fast breakouts by the opposition. Another Paul Galvin so.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 7, 2022 17:00:22 GMT
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THU, 06 JAN, 2022 - 11:19 JOHN FOGARTY Michael Quinlivan will not be lining out for Tipperary senior footballers this coming season due to work commitments.
Manager David Power confirmed the 2016 All-Star along with his Clonmel Commercials clubmate Pádraic Looram (work commitments) and Drom and Inch’s Emmet Moloney (travelling) are not in his plans. Tipperary are set to face Limerick in Sunday’s McGrath Cup Group B game in Rathkeale before they host Kerry next Wednesday evening.
Dublin-based Quinlivan previously stepped away from the panel in 2020 before the pandemic prompted his return after which he contributed to the county’s first Munster SFC title in 85 years.
“Michael won’t be part of the panel this year due to work commitments,” Power said of the 28-year-old, a senior associate at Clearwater International finance consultancy firm. “Emmet Moloney is going travelling and Pádraig Lorram has work commitments. Brian Fox has obviously retired.
“The next two games are about finding new players. It’s not about winning or losing them really. The biggest victory will be finding new talent for the league campaign ahead.” Power says there may be more additions to the football panel from the extended hurling squad, which has been amassed by new boss Colm Bonnar. “The hurlers have a very big panel at the minute and over the next two weeks there could be a bit of transferring between the two groups. It will be interesting.” Tipperary trained on Wednesday evening and Power didn’t get to see Kerry’s 23-point win over Limerick in Tralee but was stunned by just how many seasoned players featured.
“I saw their team and I was amazed how strong it was for a pre-season game.”
Power has had a chance to skim over the two proposals for the All-Ireland senior football championship, one of which will be recommended by Central Council on January 22 to be debated at Central Council next month. The green option would see Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cup round-robin competitions follow a five-week provincial championship period. The red is an updated version of Proposal B where the provincial championships would be played in the spring with the All-Ireland SFC based on new divisions 1A, 1B (a combination of the current Division 1 and 2) and 2A and 2B (a combination of the current Division 3 and 4). As a Division 4 team, Tipperary under the green option would have a chance of playing in the Sam Maguire Cup were they to qualify for the Munster final. In the red system, they could qualify by winning Division 2A or 2B.
The Kilsheelan man has been vocal in his support for change to the structure of the competition and at the minute he favours the green proposal. “Green seems to be a good option but to be honest both would be welcome because they provide more games, which is the big thing for me and for the players. Put it this way, they’re better than what is there at the moment.”
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Post by heyjude on Jan 7, 2022 17:07:53 GMT
I'd say Jack is hoping one of Dara Moynihan or Stephen O'Brien can become that player described in the above posts. While I fear Stephen's best days in the Kerry jersey are behind him, I still have hope for Dara M. He has all the attributes you want really he just looks like a guy lacking in confidence to me. Injuries have also hit at the wrong time for him too.
Maybe Joe O'Connor might see some time on the wing when returning from Stacks duties? Micheal Burns looks surplus to requirements, I feel he was lucky to make the squad this year.
Michael O'Gara is a man I'd keep an eye on with a view to filling that role in the years ahead perhaps. I believe he's on the fringes currently. While not as gifted as a Paul Galvin say, I definitely see similarities with Donnchadh Walsh.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2022 17:24:17 GMT
I'd say Jack is hoping one of Dara Moynihan or Stephen O'Brien can become that player described in the above posts. While I fear Stephen's best days in the Kerry jersey are behind him, I still have hope for Dara M. He has all the attributes you want really he just looks like a guy lacking in confidence to me. Injuries have also hit at the wrong time for him too. Maybe Joe O'Connor might see some time on the wing when returning from Stacks duties? Micheal Burns looks surplus to requirements, I feel he was lucky to make the squad this year. Michael O'Gara is a man I'd keep an eye on with a view to filling that role in the years ahead perhaps. I believe he's on the fringes currently. While not as gifted as a Paul Galvin say, I definitely see similarities with Donnchadh Walsh. Moynihan is an excellent tackler alright but if we’re just talking about a “disruptor” I think his size would prohibit him from filling that role. Stephen O’Brien looks to have lost a yard of pace to me and that’s what made him so good. O’Gara could come into contention at some point. Great engine and a very good kick passer. Lacking a bit of aggression though I think, if he can bring that to his game, he’ll be a very good operator. I thought Eddie Horan was a near certainty to play a role this year and I had him down for wing forward. I really think Jack’s missing a trick here. It’s very surprising too considering he was on the panel last year and Jack had him starting as a first year u20. Barry Mahony who has been discussed previously is another who I thought would be a good option for wing forward (he’s opted out of the hurlers for the year).
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 7, 2022 17:33:38 GMT
Whoisinnmiddield “ Barry Mahony who has been discussed previously is another who I thought would be a good option for wing forward (he’s opted out of the hurlers for the year”
Wasn’t aware he had opted out, I’ve seen a lot of the Senans man since U16 level, he has only ever impressed me with his ball winning and distribution - as previously mentioned another NK C’ship winner, Castleislands Adam Donoghue could also play that role.
My fear is that he may try convert an ex back into the role. I hope we do not revert down that avenue,
Another positive of course is if Stacks Casey does find his feet it may release Tom Sullivan to his natural wing back baller position, the intelligence of a half back line of Tom Sullivan, Breen and White would have pace and serious vision and passing capabilities
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Post by MeathExile on Jan 7, 2022 20:30:32 GMT
Agree re Barry Mahony. Saw him recently vs Ballydonoghue in NK QF. Game went to extra time and Senans won. Barry was midfield - he is a supreme ball winner and I counted 1 pass that he sent astray in the whole game. Fantastiv vision. Good passer off both feet. I'm really surprised that Jack doesn't have him on the panel - I think Jack was in charge the year Barry was midfield with Diarmuid O Connor and they won the AI.
Its very unfair on lads like Barry who dont get a decent run in the county champonship. If he had been on the Rahillys or Stacks team he would be a cert for county panel.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 7, 2022 20:48:25 GMT
Exclusion from the hurling restraint may mean a change of heart by Jack.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 7, 2022 21:28:49 GMT
Other posters have mentioned being good at keeping the ball and not giving it away as a key attribute and I think Mahony would be very good in this regard. He also has a certain steeliness too that we could do with a bit of.
I just don’t understand how Jack has totally ruled out Mahony and others. He only has a panel of 35. I see Ricken said that he has over 60 Cork panellists at the moment. Clare have 51 on the panel currently. Mayo held a combine in November for 34 players who had never played Senior Inter County before where they had physical testing, skills assessments and tactical sessions, leading to a full game. 7 who took part in the combine played tonight in the FBD against Galway. I much prefer the approach of “look at everyone”. It’s fine saying it’s based on club form but as MeathExile points out, how much has Jack seen of Barry Mahony recently considering Feale Rangers had no run in the championship? Likewise East Kerry players, Kierans players etc.
A few non panellists will have to be called to cover the bench in the Tipperary game due to so many missing so maybe one or two of them can impress Jack when they come on.
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Post by veteran on Jan 7, 2022 21:40:40 GMT
Don’t forget another reason Barry O’Mahony is not in with Jack , if indeed that is the case. may be because he is not prepared to commit. Ditto the hurling panel. I was certain he would be with them . He is a much bigger loss to the hurling panel than to the footballers..
I remember talking to a St. Senan supporter before one of their recent matches and asking him if he felt Barry would be summoned by Jack and he replied by wondering about Barry making the necessary commitment. Is Barry working or still a student?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 7, 2022 22:03:24 GMT
I really can't fathom how anyone with the opportunity to train let alone play with Kerry would not take that opportunity.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 7, 2022 22:32:03 GMT
I really can't fathom how anyone with the opportunity to train let alone play with Kerry would not take that opportunity. different times, huge commitment, a great honour but in the modern world, comes with a price.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 22:47:45 GMT
I wasn't impressed the Last time Murphy played for us and I was glad to see the back of him. He got hurt very easily against Rahillys coz he's so light, he's a Brendan Kealy 2.0 and we know how bad that fella was between the sticks. Ryan might not play in goals for his club but he's got a lot about him and he won't be pushed around in the square. cop on to yourself, there's no need for that.
He got fouled by being taken out in the air, size has no impact in an intentional collision like that when you're in the air A goalie should play in goal, it's a specialised position. Shane Ryan does not play in goal with enough regularity sorry for offending you with my keally comment, but did you think he was a good goalie?
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