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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 7, 2022 23:44:21 GMT
Ye are talking in riddles re Barry O’Mahony - whatever about the past, in JO'C we must trust and he is probably only 'refinding' how own feet yet, if Barry or anyone is good enough for Kerry they will be there as JO'C has no breathing spece here, you will laugh when you look back and see these comments when you see the selection for the 1st Championship of even League encounter!
BTW did anyone else notice how 3 or 4 of our regulars have stepped up again in S&C - I spotted it first in Foley and then a few more, Jason ha snow turned into a brute of a man over winter, Lisselton Cross boyos won't be starting any scraps back in Moybella these days!
Take a look at that free stream again folks!
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Post by heyjude on Jan 7, 2022 23:45:13 GMT
For all we know maybe Jack did approach Barry Mahony and his heart just wasn't in it. I think it was mentioned here previously that Cormac Coffey refused the invite too and I'd say there was one or two others. Fair enough if guys don't want to commit in my opinion.
With regards the relatively small number on the panel, I think that's just Jack's belief that the players are already there and they're in win now mode and not another rebuild phase. I agree with him too, I think we have more than enough at our disposal and I don't think there are any hidden gems out there either that have been missed.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 8, 2022 0:31:50 GMT
Ye are talking in riddles re Barry O’Mahony - whatever about the past, in JO'C we must trust and he is probably only 'refinding' how own feet yet, if Barry or anyone is good enough for Kerry they will be there as JO'C has no breathing spece here, you will laugh when you look back and see these comments when you see the selection for the 1st Championship of even League encounter! BTW did anyone else notice how 3 or 4 of our regulars have stepped up again in S&C - I spotted it first in Foley and then a few more, Jason ha snow turned into a brute of a man over winter, Lisselton Cross boyos won't be starting any scraps back in Moybella these days! Take a look at that free stream again folks! Yes, i mentioned that a few posts back, Jason and Seanie have visually bulked, they are serious units, I though Adrain too looked significantly more toned fro. this time twelve months ago. I though Adrain has a good outing last Wednesday but in saying that Limerick were not up against much.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 8, 2022 7:36:06 GMT
cop on to yourself, there's no need for that.
He got fouled by being taken out in the air, size has no impact in an intentional collision like that when you're in the air A goalie should play in goal, it's a specialised position. Shane Ryan does not play in goal with enough regularity sorry for offending you with my keally comment, but did you think he was a good goalie? Kealy was an excellent shot stopper just not great in the air. To say he was an awful goalie is ridiculous as he was good, just not great. I do feel with a dominant, high fielding full back that his weaknesses would have been less exposed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 12:13:31 GMT
sorry for offending you with my keally comment, but did you think he was a good goalie? Kealy was an excellent shot stopper just not great in the air. To say he was an awful goalie is ridiculous as he was good, just not great. I do feel with a dominant, high fielding full back that his weaknesses would have been less exposed surely being a good shot stopper is the minimum criteria of any goal keeper kerrybhoy, he was weak under a high ball and his kickouts were average at best, Can you remember the panic that went on in the last 15 min of the 2017 league final against dublin?
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Post by mike70 on Jan 8, 2022 12:15:58 GMT
I really enjoyed the read this morning in the examiner around Keith Ricken, seems like a good guy, like his attitude to the players and their decision making on the field, take responsibility, he will bond the cork players, but I don’t think he has enough of quality to compete with us in kerry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 12:39:51 GMT
I really enjoyed the read this morning in the examiner around Keith Ricken, seems like a good guy, like his attitude to the players and their decision making on the field, take responsibility, he will bond the cork players, but I don’t think he has enough of quality to compete with us in kerry. I like Ricken Mike, he comes across as a gas man. I do think Cork have great raw material to work with and hopefully they will get it right soon as we need them in munster.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 8, 2022 13:05:11 GMT
Just watched Cork and Kerry from last years U20 game on TG4, they showed a re-run.
I wouldn’t write off Cork under him, they nullified our dangermen that night and held out for a tight win with fourteen men,
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Post by keane on Jan 8, 2022 13:09:52 GMT
I don't believe for a second there aren't 20 or 25 footballers in Cork who would be a match for anyone if they were well coached for two or three years.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 8, 2022 13:44:57 GMT
I don't believe for a second there aren't 20 or 25 footballers in Cork who would be a match for anyone if they were well coached for two or three years. 100% agree but in dual clubs the best footballers will also be the best hurlers and they will opt out of footballer if the county hurling team is an option. Thats why underage is so misleading as regards Corks potential. The 'football only' part of Cork is huge though and they are punching way below their weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:03:30 GMT
Just watched Cork and Kerry from last years U20 game on TG4, they showed a re-run. I wouldn’t write off Cork under him, they nullified our dangermen that night and held out for a tight win with fourteen men, I watched it the other night horse, that Conor Corbett is some player.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 8, 2022 15:35:09 GMT
A bit like Dublin 1995 - 2011 Cork are nowhere near their potential. They have literally everything they need, huge county, 3rd level colleges,top class stadium. It's no good for Kerry either having such a under performing Cork.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 8, 2022 17:12:14 GMT
I don't believe for a second there aren't 20 or 25 footballers in Cork who would be a match for anyone if they were well coached for two or three years. 100% agree but in dual clubs the best footballers will also be the best hurlers and they will opt out of footballer if the county hurling team is an option. Thats why underage is so misleading as regards Corks potential.The 'football only' part of Cork is huge though and they are punching way below their weight. This has been an issue with Cork in underage for years. Number of U20 football teams registered in each county in 2020 Cork
| 114 | Tipperary | 47 | Wexford | 41 | Kerry | 40 | Mayo | 40 | Galway | 38 | Kildare | 38 | Donegal | 37 | Limerick | 35 | Cavan | 34 | Dublin | 24 | Tyrone | 24 | Waterford | 23 | Clare | 22 | Louth | 22 | Roscommon | 21 | Laois | 20 | Sligo | 20 | Derry | 19 | Antrim | 19 | Carlow | 15 | Armagh | 14 | Longford | 14 | Offaly | 14 | Wicklow | 14 | Westmeath | 14 | Leitrim | 11 | Down | 10 | Meath | 10 | Fermanagh | 7 | Monaghan | 4 | Kilkenny | 4 |
This numbers are not that different for U20 hurling as well, and I'd imagine the number would be very similar for minor as well if numbers were available. Given Cork's huge historic playing numbers it's almost mind-boggling how much they have underachieved in both codes.
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Post by taggert on Jan 8, 2022 18:39:22 GMT
Am I right in thinking that only beaten provincial finalists get a second chance in 2022? Losers of the Cork Kerry semi on May 7th bid farewell to c'ship....
Less than 4 months away....
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 8, 2022 19:13:23 GMT
Am I right in thinking that only beaten provincial finalists get a second chance in 2022? Losers of the Cork Kerry semi on May 7th bid farewell to c'ship.... Less than 4 months away.... No, there’s a safety net - if beaten, there’s still a 2nd game.
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Post by taggert on Jan 8, 2022 19:13:49 GMT
Am I right in thinking that only beaten provincial finalists get a second chance in 2022? Losers of the Cork Kerry semi on May 7th bid farewell to c'ship.... Less than 4 months away.... No, there’s a safety net - if beaten, there’s still a 2nd game. Cheers.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 8, 2022 22:52:44 GMT
Just watched Cork and Kerry from last years U20 game on TG4, they showed a re-run. I wouldn’t write off Cork under him, they nullified our dangermen that night and held out for a tight win with fourteen men, I watched it the other night horse, that Conor Corbett is some player. corbett done his cruciate I remember, the boys down under were also after him, not sure where he is at now regard his recovery.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 22:58:28 GMT
I watched it the other night horse, that Conor Corbett is some player. corbett done his cruciate I remember, the boys down under were also after him, not sure where he is at now regard his recovery. I heard that all right, the poor fella, he's very young to have that happen him.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 8, 2022 23:05:52 GMT
I watched it the other night horse, that Conor Corbett is some player. corbett done his cruciate I remember, the boys down under were also after him, not sure where he is at now regard his recovery. Pity he got that injury, he’d would have been starting Senior for Cork this year I’d say. I don’t think any AFL club would be interested in him. He’s not suited to it, just like Clifford wasn’t. His skill would be taken away by the oval ball. Very very few forwards are suitable for the adaptation to AFL. McShane might have been an exception he’s such a good ball winner.
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Post by mg72 on Jan 8, 2022 23:56:16 GMT
100% agree but in dual clubs the best footballers will also be the best hurlers and they will opt out of footballer if the county hurling team is an option. Thats why underage is so misleading as regards Corks potential.The 'football only' part of Cork is huge though and they are punching way below their weight. This has been an issue with Cork in underage for years. Number of U20 football teams registered in each county in 2020 Cork
| 114 | Tipperary | 47 | Wexford | 41 | Kerry | 40 | Mayo | 40 | Galway | 38 | Kildare | 38 | Donegal | 37 | Limerick | 35 | Cavan | 34 | Dublin | 24 | Tyrone | 24 | Waterford | 23 | Clare | 22 | Louth | 22 | Roscommon | 21 | Laois | 20 | Sligo | 20 | Derry | 19 | Antrim | 19 | Carlow | 15 | Armagh | 14 | Longford | 14 | Offaly | 14 | Wicklow | 14 | Westmeath | 14 | Leitrim | 11 | Down | 10 | Meath | 10 | Fermanagh | 7 | Monaghan | 4 | Kilkenny | 4 |
This numbers are not that different for U20 hurling as well, and I'd imagine the number would be very similar for minor as well if numbers were available. Given Cork's huge historic playing numbers it's almost mind-boggling how much they have underachieved in both codes. The numbers of Under 20 teams registered in Kerry dropped from 40 in 2020 to 23/24 teams in 2021, yet when it came to fulfilling fixtures, only 10 clubs played under 20 matches. The drop off is already huge from ages 17 to 20, but if clubs in Kerry don't take the under 20 grade seriously, then they'll really suffer in the long run.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 9, 2022 0:07:18 GMT
corbett done his cruciate I remember, the boys down under were also after him, not sure where he is at now regard his recovery. Pity he got that injury, he’d would have been starting Senior for Cork this year I’d say. I don’t think any AFL club would be interested in him. He’s not suited to it, just like Clifford wasn’t. His skill would be taken away by the oval ball. Very very few forwards are suitable for the adaptation to AFL. McShane might have been an exception he’s such a good ball winner. 100% interested in him, they had a path beat to his door by all accounts, I am remembering this From last year, I am sure I am right, might have been on the forum else where, but I stand to be corrected.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 9, 2022 0:33:21 GMT
Pity he got that injury, he’d would have been starting Senior for Cork this year I’d say. I don’t think any AFL club would be interested in him. He’s not suited to it, just like Clifford wasn’t. His skill would be taken away by the oval ball. Very very few forwards are suitable for the adaptation to AFL. McShane might have been an exception he’s such a good ball winner. 100% interested in him, they had a path beat to his door by all accounts, I am remembering this From last year, I am sure I am right, might have been on the forum else where, but I stand to be corrected. Wasn’t there loads of talk about Clifford too but he said himself that he received no offer. Whether he’s only saying that now I don’t know. Still, couldn’t see either making it over there.
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2022 1:55:20 GMT
100% interested in him, they had a path beat to his door by all accounts, I am remembering this From last year, I am sure I am right, might have been on the forum else where, but I stand to be corrected. Wasn’t there loads of talk about Clifford too but he said himself that he received no offer. Whether he’s only saying that now I don’t know. Still, couldn’t see either making it over there. Tend to agree, I am unsure if David was suited to Ozzie Rules I am also a unsure about using him in the McGrath Cup, others has posted a similar view, others agree with Jack. Clifford has Sigerson too, I would be keeping him fresh till the league, ditto Seanie Shea and lets see how we can fare without them! Playing Okunbar midfield I agree with gets him in the thick of the action to get back into the round ball , not a long term option at midfield but no harm in getting him into the thick of action there in the McGrath cup
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 9, 2022 12:16:11 GMT
Wasn’t there loads of talk about Clifford too but he said himself that he received no offer. Whether he’s only saying that now I don’t know. Still, couldn’t see either making it over there. Tend to agree, I am unsure if David was suited to Ozzie Rules I am also a unsure about using him in the McGrath Cup, others has posted a similar view, others agree with Jack. Clifford has Sigerson too, I would be keeping him fresh till the league, ditto Seanie Shea and lets see how we can fare without them! Playing Okunbar midfield I agree with gets him in the thick of the action to get back into the round ball , not a long term option at midfield but no harm in getting him into the thick of action there in the McGrath cup I think that if Kerry had a perfected defined game plan then you could rest SoS and DC. But they are only at the stage of developing that game plan and since SoS and DC will be central to it come high noon in Croker, then i think Jack must play them now
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 9, 2022 13:35:51 GMT
Look I suppose yes, we have to look at the wider picture, me included. Realistic they both did only play 30 minutes each and it looks like both will be playing much harder Sigerson during the week so in fairness 30 minutes in 3rd gear won't do any engine damage.
It looks like too that they won't be playing against Tipperary.
I suppose it is a balancing act - we can't afford to go into the league cold.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 9, 2022 14:19:31 GMT
Look I suppose yes, we have to look at the wider picture, me included. Realistic they both did only play 30 minutes each and it looks like both will be playing much harder Sigerson during the week so in fairness 30 minutes in 3rd gear won't do any engine damage. It looks like too that they won't be playing against Tipperary. I suppose it is a balancing act - we can't afford to go into the league cold. Is Sean OShea not finished in UCC ?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 9, 2022 14:26:53 GMT
Look I suppose yes, we have to look at the wider picture, me included. Realistic they both did only play 30 minutes each and it looks like both will be playing much harder Sigerson during the week so in fairness 30 minutes in 3rd gear won't do any engine damage. It looks like too that they won't be playing against Tipperary. I suppose it is a balancing act - we can't afford to go into the league cold. Is Sean OShea not finished in UCC ? Yes he’s finished. Of the 24 from the last day, David Clifford, Tony Brosnan, Dara Moynihan, Paul O’Shea, Jack Savage and Cian Gammell will be playing Sigerson and Pa Warren and Stefan Okunbor will be unavailable due to club finals the weekend. We’ve a lot less panellists playing Sigerson this year than previous years. The Sigerson games are spread out between Tuesday and Wednesday but even if a player is playing on the Tuesday I presume they won’t play against Tipperary. Only risking injury for no reason playing 2 games in 2 days.
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Post by southward on Jan 9, 2022 15:44:45 GMT
Is Sean OShea not finished in UCC ? Yes he’s finished. Of the 24 from the last day, David Clifford, Tony Brosnan, Dara Moynihan, Paul O’Shea, Jack Savage and Cian Gammell will be playing Sigerson and Pa Warren and Stefan Okunbor will be unavailable due to club finals the weekend. We’ve a lot less panellists playing Sigerson this year than previous years. The Sigerson games are spread out between Tuesday and Wednesday but even if a player is playing on the Tuesday I presume they won’t play against Tipperary. Only risking injury for no reason playing 2 games in 2 days. How's Jack Savage playing Sigerson? He's about 26. Mind you, Joe McMahon lined out a few years ago - he was about 31 at the time, I think. Mature student or some such. Bit of a joke if you ask me.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 9, 2022 15:52:53 GMT
Full time earlier. Tipperary 1-12 Limerick 0-14
Will We be looking at a repeat of Wednesday or a stiffer challenge.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 9, 2022 17:16:51 GMT
Full time earlier. Tipperary 1-12 Limerick 0-14 Will We be looking at a repeat of Wednesday or a stiffer challenge. You would expect kerry to win on Wednesday, no matter what team we put out from our current squad, no disrespect to Tipp, but they have lost a few quality players, but I am sure they will be up for Kerry, expect a tougher game.
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