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Post by hurlingman on Jan 11, 2021 9:25:38 GMT
Well there is doubt as he haven't played at senior level as of yet. There's no doubting he was a great minor, maybe one of Kerrys best ever, but as ha been seen time and time a again being a great minor doesn't make being a great senior a cert. Yes he's now a main man in the AFL but that still doesn't guarantee he would have been a great senior player. Hopefully i'll be proved wrong and he does come back to play with Kerry but until then it's purely an opinion. In fairness the traits that typically cause outstanding minors not to make it at senior level are poor attitude, injury or maybe failure to develop physically. Mark has excelled positively in all three areas so although granted it is a different sport i think it’s a very fair assumption he would have been an outstanding midfielder for Kerry had he remained. Again without him playing senior there's no way of knowing. It's like saying had Tommy Walsh not gone to Oz then Kerry would have won more All-Irelands in the 2010s. He was as good as Mark O Connor at the time. Plus there's nothing to say Mark O Connor wuldn't have ended up with injuries etc But anyway it' all hypothetical at the end of the day.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 12, 2021 13:53:53 GMT
27-02-21 Kerry v Roscommon in Tralee @ 7pm
08-03-21 Galway v Kerry in Salthill @ 2pm
15-03-21 Kerry v Dublin in Killarney @ 2pm
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 12, 2021 16:32:20 GMT
27-02-21 Kerry v Roscommon in Tralee @ 7pm 08-03-21 Galway v Kerry in Salthill @ 2pm 15-03-21 Kerry v Dublin in Killarney @ 2pm I don’t see this announced officially anywhere but if it’s right it’s a near perfect draw. 2 home games including Dublin and our opponents in order from weakest to strongest so we can build up. Whatever new players or new positioning or anything else Peter Keane wants to try out go for it against Roscommon and see how it goes and progress the side from there.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 12, 2021 17:28:36 GMT
If the League goes ahead the Galway v Kerry game is important. I think only two come out of the group. Dublin two homes games which you would expect them to win. Galway will need to win both home games if they are to challenge one of these spots.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 13, 2021 22:09:53 GMT
I saw about a week ago that Niall O’Mahony the Senior’s team Strength and Conditioning coach is leaving the Senior set up and joining the u20s. I’m surprised there’s been no talk about it. It’s a strange one, is it he wants to leave or Peter Keane wants to replace him? Him joining Declan O’Sullivan’s set up makes it even more interesting. Surely since Jason McGahan is a full time employee of Kerry GAA he should have full responsibility for the Senior team but apparently a replacement is being lined up for O’Mahony.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 14, 2021 0:32:55 GMT
I saw about a week ago that Niall O’Mahony the Senior’s team Strength and Conditioning coach is leaving the Senior set up and joining the u20s. I’m surprised there’s been no talk about it. It’s a strange one, is it he wants to leave or Peter Keane wants to replace him? Him joining Declan O’Sullivan’s set up makes it even more interesting. Surely since Jason McGahan is a full time employee of Kerry GAA he should have full responsibility for the Senior team but apparently a replacement is being lined up for O’Mahony. If this is true then a bit of transparency and clarity would be welcome. Is this in response to the request to "freshen it up"? The seniors could do with improvement in this area. I agree that McGahan should be hands on with the seniors with others covering underage. Heard him interviewed at length on Terrance Talk last year and was not very impressed. Sounded like he is not making the decisions - a computer is.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 14, 2021 9:32:20 GMT
I replayed that interview with MaGrahan and he definitely is a gadgets man. What I don’t get is why a county steep in football and plenty of Strength and Conditioning, performance experts and fitness experts in Kerry go pay someone to come in. If the O Mahoney story is true it’s not making sense why he took a step backwards in his career or this is to say we made changes to backroom team. After this years collapse all S&C should be changed. I don’t agree the Strength and Conditioning should be over the senior team as most of these guy understand improving strength but not conditioning a team and this was seen this year. Football coaches for football, strength experts for strength and performance expert for performance.
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Post by The16thMan on Jan 14, 2021 10:10:02 GMT
27-02-21 Kerry v Roscommon in Tralee @ 7pm 08-03-21 Galway v Kerry in Salthill @ 2pm 15-03-21 Kerry v Dublin in Killarney @ 2pm March 8th and 15th are both Mondays so I doubt these are the fixtures unless this is a typo
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Post by pillar on Jan 15, 2021 12:20:02 GMT
I replayed that interview with MaGrahan and he definitely is a gadgets man. What I don’t get is why a county steep in football and plenty of Strength and Conditioning, performance experts and fitness experts in Kerry go pay someone to come in. If the O Mahoney story is true it’s not making sense why he took a step backwards in his career or this is to say we made changes to backroom team. After this years collapse all S&C should be changed. I don’t agree the Strength and Conditioning should be over the senior team as most of these guy understand improving strength but not conditioning a team and this was seen this year. Football coaches for football, strength experts for strength and performance expert for performance. Might I suggest that maybe there is a succession plan in place here for Declan and perhaps Niall is re routing to come again. Hope Declan does well in this role cos he has a lot of attributes to be a senior manager.U20s job last few years has been a graveyard
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 15, 2021 14:38:05 GMT
Was just thinking if PK was boss in 2014 what subs would have been introduced when there was never more than a single score in it i.e. defenders to protect the lead or forwards so it didn't need protecting?
Ballythefireside quote of the day - Is defense the best attack or is attack the best defense? - and then there are those who stand on the fence, the hurlers of the ditch know-alls of the big ball. Jazus what a poet I am!
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Post by pillar on Jan 15, 2021 18:17:58 GMT
Was just thinking if PK was boss in 2014 what subs would have been introduced when there was never more than a single score in it i.e. defenders to protect the lead or forwards so it didn't need protecting? Ballythefireside quote of the day - Is defense the best attack or is attack the best defense? - and then there are those who stand on the fence, the hurlers of the ditch know-alls of the big ball. Jazus what a poet I am! If you think back to 2014,the Mayo replay in Limerick...what sub made a huge impact in extra time...a defender(Jonathan Lyne) who came on in attack..would we have made a final without him?..and I thought backs playing as forwards was a 2020 thing!!
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Post by southward on Jan 15, 2021 19:21:00 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 15, 2021 22:59:12 GMT
Is Eoghan O Brien already inside with the squad
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 16, 2021 13:19:22 GMT
Was just thinking if PK was boss in 2014 what subs would have been introduced when there was never more than a single score in it i.e. defenders to protect the lead or forwards so it didn't need protecting? Ballythefireside quote of the day - Is defense the best attack or is attack the best defense? - and then there are those who stand on the fence, the hurlers of the ditch know-alls of the big ball. Jazus what a poet I am! If you think back to 2014,the Mayo replay in Limerick...what sub made a huge impact in extra time...a defender(Jonathan Lyne) who came on in attack..would we have made a final without him?..and I thought backs playing as forwards was a 2020 thing!! I wouldn't agree at all - in a tight game everyone makes the difference. If anyone made an outstanding difference in those Limerick games it may have been KD's fetch from behind the clouds of the last (placed) kick that would have Mayo win by the minimum. And yes KD was also a FF, a MF and a FB/Goalie in that instance. I don't agree either that backs and forwards are the same like you suggest - I'd term them defenders and attackers as opposed to tagging them by where they play as positions now mean so much less. But there will always be a difference between defense skill and attack skill, and yes there are exceptions - while Lyne was class, where would he be got?, KD was the ultimate all-rounder and probably fort his physicality too. Ballythefireside Quote of the day - 'He'd a dandy footballer' - Eddie Dowling on Tadhgeen in contrast to his late father Tim and while being a stalwart CHB, wouldn't be an attacker by any criteria. With Barret now retiring Mayo will have a team themselves of players who were among the best to never win a Celtic Cross - must be a heart break when you consider they didn't adopt the unpleasant system tactics yet they were still always Tyrone's bogey oppenents.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 16, 2021 22:13:45 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2021 0:05:24 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months. I’d agree with your first sentence based on performances at minor level. I presume you mean Mark O’Connor as the last player mentioned. You might ultimately be right about Paul O’Shea not being tall enough for IC midfield (what is he around 6 foot 1?) but I think he could be fine there. I really see midfield as the position where he can maximise his skills and abilities. It’s certainly his most natural position. He would need a big midfielder next to him alright like Jack Barry or Joe O’Connor. A probable timeline I see with Paul is he doing well with the 20s and East Kerry this year and then being given the league next year to see how he gets on. In my opinion Diarmuid O’Connor hasn’t been contributing anywhere near enough and has a lot of developing to do. If he can contribute anywhere at the moment it’s wing forward I think. He hasn’t filled out his frame yet and it’s really holding him back. As seen at club level he has real potential, it would be great to see him start to deliver for Kerry.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 17, 2021 0:18:32 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months. I’d agree with your first sentence based on performances at minor level. I presume you mean Mark O’Connor as the last player mentioned. You might ultimately be right about Paul O’Shea not being tall enough for IC midfield (what is he around 6 foot 1?) but I think he could be fine there. I really see midfield as the position where he can maximise his skills and abilities. It’s certainly his most natural position. He would need a big midfielder next to him alright like Jack Barry or Joe O’Connor. A probable timeline I see with Paul is he doing well with the 20s and East Kerry this year and then being given the league next year to see how he gets on. In my opinion Diarmuid O’Connor hasn’t been contributing anywhere near enough and has a lot of developing to do. If he can contribute anywhere at the moment it’s wing forward I think. He hasn’t filled out his frame yet and it’s really holding him back. As seen at club level he has real potential, it would be great to see him start to deliver for Kerry. Apologies if this has been covered already but Joe O’Connor wasn’t listed in the article but is still seems is part of the panel - does that mean he was indeed training with Kerry last year?
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Post by eastwarrior on Jan 17, 2021 0:37:50 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months. This is quite a good take on Paul I 100% agree about him being in the top 4 minors to come through. An whilst I agree he could be considered an inch or two short for IC midfield just by the looks. However, he has that ability to ‘hang’ in the air like that of Darragh o ‘Shea. I think he is a born midfielder, magnificent at minor. Since then he has been trialed as a forward which I believe doesn’t suit him, he lacks that bit of cuteness I feel for the forward line. For instance his first year u20 (which was straight out of minor) he was played as a forward and failed to make the starting line up as a forward where as players the same age as him ( Killian falvey and Paul Walsh) won the 2 wing forward spots. Against Cork in the Munster final this year I closely watched him in the full forward position I just felt he was lacking movement in there he was in the small rectangle and didn’t want to leave. This made it very easy for the cork full back and he was beating him in the first half. Then at half time the swap was made to midfield and he completely changed the game winning primary possession out the field and spraying beautiful balls in, it was a joy to watch him. That’s why I feel for him to have a proper impact at senior level it has to be at midfield.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 17, 2021 8:47:32 GMT
Have county setups become college football? just observing the trends over the last number of years and most counties have put on the blinkers to any players/ backroom staff outside colleges and schools. Take Kerry as an example there are four leacturers involved and a number of teachers. I can understand people saying sure the hours suit because of the volume of training and the commitment. IMO the Gaa are letting a big population of solid footballers behind due to this elitist push. If one institution/person is making the calls and gets it wrong the amplification will be a disaster all down the line. Gaa needs to go back a few steps and find those natural footballers and put some of the artificial stuff to on side.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2021 11:15:43 GMT
I’d agree with your first sentence based on performances at minor level. I presume you mean Mark O’Connor as the last player mentioned. You might ultimately be right about Paul O’Shea not being tall enough for IC midfield (what is he around 6 foot 1?) but I think he could be fine there. I really see midfield as the position where he can maximise his skills and abilities. It’s certainly his most natural position. He would need a big midfielder next to him alright like Jack Barry or Joe O’Connor. A probable timeline I see with Paul is he doing well with the 20s and East Kerry this year and then being given the league next year to see how he gets on. In my opinion Diarmuid O’Connor hasn’t been contributing anywhere near enough and has a lot of developing to do. If he can contribute anywhere at the moment it’s wing forward I think. He hasn’t filled out his frame yet and it’s really holding him back. As seen at club level he has real potential, it would be great to see him start to deliver for Kerry. Apologies if this has been covered already but Joe O’Connor wasn’t listed in the article but is still seems is part of the panel - does that mean he was indeed training with Kerry last year? He was brought in along with Mike Breen from Beaufort and Kevin O’Sullivan from Kenmare at the time of the restart after all the club action.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2021 11:25:22 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months. This is quite a good take on Paul I 100% agree about him being in the top 4 minors to come through. An whilst I agree he could be considered an inch or two short for IC midfield just by the looks. However, he has that ability to ‘hang’ in the air like that of Darragh o ‘Shea. I think he is a born midfielder, magnificent at minor. Since then he has been trialed as a forward which I believe doesn’t suit him, he lacks that bit of cuteness I feel for the forward line. For instance his first year u20 (which was straight out of minor) he was played as a forward and failed to make the starting line up as a forward where as players the same age as him ( Killian falvey and Paul Walsh) won the 2 wing forward spots. Against Cork in the Munster final this year I closely watched him in the full forward position I just felt he was lacking movement in there he was in the small rectangle and didn’t want to leave. This made it very easy for the cork full back and he was beating him in the first half. Then at half time the swap was made to midfield and he completely changed the game winning primary possession out the field and spraying beautiful balls in, it was a joy to watch him. That’s why I feel for him to have a proper impact at senior level it has to be at midfield. I agree with a lot of this. The more I think about it I don’t think I’d have any worries about him at midfield as long as he has a bigger player next to him. James McCarthy isn’t 6 3 or 4 and Conor Loftus who would be weaker and smaller than Paul was midfield for Mayo this year and his partner Ruane isn’t huge either. As you say like Darragh O’Se you don’t have to be 6 foot 3 or 4 to be a great midfielder. Paul has fantastic timing and is an excellent fielder. He definitely is wasted as a forward, it was a very very bad selection from John Sugrue. His game isn’t trying to win ball with his back to the goal and take on his man and find that half yard to get his shot away. His game is a deep lying playmaker using his fantastic kick passing and winning ball around the middle with his fantastic fielding and relative strength.
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Post by mossie on Jan 17, 2021 15:06:32 GMT
Is Eoghan O Brien already inside with the squad I wonder, does Peter Keane carry 3 keepers? You have Ryan and Fitzgibbon. O'Brien would make 3
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Post by mossie on Jan 17, 2021 15:08:05 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months. Sean Walsh an enforcer for Jacko?! was Jacko not his own enforcer?? Sean Walsh was much more than an enforcer
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 17, 2021 17:52:22 GMT
Interesting. In my opinion Paul O'Shea is in the top 4 players to come through the minors 5 in a row with DC, SO'S, PO'C. A gifted midfielder in the traditional sense but in the modern game maybe a bit short in height for midfield at senior level. In a purely traditional sense he and Diarmuid O'Connor would be a perfect midfield pair spraying passes everywhere. If Paul was wing forward with licence to go back and be a play maker and Diarmuid was supported by an enforcer at no 9 (like Sean Walsh was for Jack O'Shea) then Kerry would be well on their way. Of course it is unlikely that Paul will be ready for senior inter county in the next few months. Sean Walsh an enforcer for Jacko?! was Jacko not his own enforcer?? Sean Walsh was much more than an enforcer You are absolutely right - Sean was much more than an enforcer. He was a complete footballer. I should have explained better. Sometimes Kerry have a midfield where there is a dominant player and an assistant like when Darragh played with Seamus Scanlan and Donal Daly. Darragh - the dominant player - had to stay around midfield to keep a grip there. With Sean and Jack O' it was different. Jack O' - regarded as the dominant player - could wander all over the pitch, Sean was good enough to hold the centre on his own. What I meant was that Diarmuid O'Connor would need to be a midfielder with freedom to wander and call the shots while another dominant midfielder would hold the centre. The first couple of minutes of this interview explains it.
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Post by veteran on Jan 17, 2021 19:31:06 GMT
Eastwarrior, you are correct in your comments about Paul O’Shea. I could not believe that he was selected at corner forward for that Cork game in Tralee. Worse still, he was allowed to languish there all through the first half. As you say, he transformed the game when moved out to midfield in the second half. Anybody who saw him play there as a minor would not have been surprised by that turn of events.
The point, is why did management pick him at corner forward in the first place? Now of course management see more of these lads than we do but there are times when one is mystified by managerial decisions. Unfortunately Paul missed the semifinal against Galway through injury/covid.
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Post by mossie on Jan 17, 2021 19:34:33 GMT
Sean Walsh an enforcer for Jacko?! was Jacko not his own enforcer?? Sean Walsh was much more than an enforcer You are absolutely right - Sean was much more than an enforcer. He was a complete footballer. I should have explained better. Sometimes Kerry have a midfield where there is a dominant player and an assistant like when Darragh played with Seamus Scanlan and Donal Daly. Darragh - the dominant player - had to stay around midfield to keep a grip there. With Sean and Jack O' it was different. Jack O' - regarded as the dominant player - could wander all over the pitch, Sean was good enough to hold the centre on his own. What I meant was that Diarmuid O'Connor would need to be a midfielder with freedom to wander and call the shots while another dominant midfielder would hold the centre. The first couple of minutes of this interview explains it. thanks for putting up that interview with Jacko and Seanie. Excellent jez i wonder was Seanie the most versatile of them all, full back, midfields, full forward line all no bother to him Ger Power was very versatile too
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Post by mossie on Jan 17, 2021 19:38:19 GMT
Sean Walsh an enforcer for Jacko?! was Jacko not his own enforcer?? Sean Walsh was much more than an enforcer You are absolutely right - Sean was much more than an enforcer. He was a complete footballer. I should have explained better. Sometimes Kerry have a midfield where there is a dominant player and an assistant like when Darragh played with Seamus Scanlan and Donal Daly. Darragh - the dominant player - had to stay around midfield to keep a grip there. With Sean and Jack O' it was different. Jack O' - regarded as the dominant player - could wander all over the pitch, Sean was good enough to hold the centre on his own. What I meant was that Diarmuid O'Connor would need to be a midfielder with freedom to wander and call the shots while another dominant midfielder would hold the centre. The first couple of minutes of this interview explains it. thanks for putting up that interview with Jacko and Seanie. Excellent jez i wonder was Seanie the most versatile of them all, full back, midfields, full forward line all no bother to him Ger Power was very versatile too
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 17, 2021 21:24:57 GMT
Johnno played midfield, full back and even captained us at full forward in a league final if my memory serves me correct.
A very much under-rated player Paudie Lynch was also very comfortable and capable in numerous positions.
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Post by eastwarrior on Jan 17, 2021 23:50:33 GMT
Eastwarrior, you are correct in your comments about Paul O’Shea. I could not believe that he was selected at corner forward for that Cork game in Tralee. Worse still, he was allowed to languish there all through the first half. As you say, he transformed the game when moved out to midfield in the second half. Anybody who saw him play there as a minor would not have been surprised by that turn of events. The point, is why did management pick him at corner forward in the first place? Now of course management see more of these lads than we do but there are times when one is mystified by managerial decisions. Unfortunately Paul missed the semifinal against Galway through injury/covid. I agree he should have never been there. I travelled to the game in Rathkeale where they played Limerick in the semi-final and he was well mastered by the full back that night also. He should never have been deployed in the position again after that game. But, who am I to judge the management that same night I left saying Fitzgerald the corner back was the standout player on the night he covered some amount of grass and then the week later after having an outstanding opening 20minutes he was caught in the last 5 for 1-1 and was called ashore. Such is the risk with footballers at this age you really don’t know what you are getting any given day.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 19, 2021 14:20:01 GMT
It is hard to see Gaelic games been played before April at the earliest. At that the league could be scrapped or club could suffer on the latter part of 2021. If the Gaa scraps the league and push championship out there is a high possibility that counties will see more retirements than expected. Cluxton is one that could call time. Will Tommy Walsh, David Moran and Peter Crowley call time on outstanding careers with Kerry. There is a lot hanging on the balance of Gaa calls over the next three weeks.
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