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Post by pintpleasejohn on Jan 8, 2021 21:03:41 GMT
Reportedly a total 5 players have been brought. The 4 already discussed as well as Brian Leonard (Castleisland Desmonds). It is obvious Leonard came onto the management’s radar after his performance for St Kierans against East Kerry marking David Clifford. On the night he restricted him to 1-1 and the 2 scores Clifford got were moments of brilliance that no defender could do anything about. He’s worth a look in my opinion. Backs can be harder to judge than forwards at club level so I think it’s good to bring in backs that show some promise that we’d hope could potentially be rough diamonds. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think he’s 23. He never made a minor, u20 or junior panel. I’m a bit disappointed the management didn’t bring in another back or two or three for a look. Bring them in and see if they could be developed. I’d much prefer that than seeing the likes of Dara Roche being brought in. I can’t understand how Dan O’Donoghue isn’t on the panel. Also Jack McGuire is worth a look. I second that RE Dan Donoghue, I cant understand how he hasn’t got a look in the last couple of years he seems to have all the raw materials for centre or even full back. A year off but I look forward to seeing how david mangan progresses with the u20s and beyond
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2021 19:55:30 GMT
Reportedly a total 5 players have been brought. The 4 already discussed as well as Brian Leonard (Castleisland Desmonds). It is obvious Leonard came onto the management’s radar after his performance for St Kierans against East Kerry marking David Clifford. On the night he restricted him to 1-1 and the 2 scores Clifford got were moments of brilliance that no defender could do anything about. He’s worth a look in my opinion. Backs can be harder to judge than forwards at club level so I think it’s good to bring in backs that show some promise that we’d hope could potentially be rough diamonds. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong but I think he’s 23. He never made a minor, u20 or junior panel. I’m a bit disappointed the management didn’t bring in another back or two or three for a look. Bring them in and see if they could be developed. I’d much prefer that than seeing the likes of Dara Roche being brought in. I can’t understand how Dan O’Donoghue isn’t on the panel. Also Jack McGuire is worth a look. If I'm not mistaken Brian Leonard is a son of the late Eugene.A garda based in Castleisland he played inter county for Limerick but passed away sadly playing for the Desmonds in 2001.His father was a tough defender, so hopefully he's a chip off the old block.His sister Aisling was a great defender with the Kerry Ladies Footballers around 2010 to 2016 as well. Eugene Leonard, did he play in the 1991 munster final for Limerick v kerry in Killarney? Near sure he was wing back
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2021 19:59:26 GMT
Who are the midfielders in the squad - Moran, Barry, D O Connor, J O'Connor, A spillane? ? who else is being looked at? Barry Mahony, JM Foley were mentioned in early 2020
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Post by mossie on Jan 9, 2021 20:01:30 GMT
What Parsons went through doesn't bear thinking about and it looks like even he couldn't get back on terms. If it is TCB's performance you are talking about well you need a score card - looks like Currans was the big win. On Donie issue not so sure but now up to PK to redeem. Fitzy said the rebuild takes time and that they got. I honestly think Kerry football is in a better place than our county team is telling us but then again I am not so close to things, though being too close isn't ideal either. I suppose if it wasn't for Oz we might have bagged a few more Sams and there may never have been a Dublin takeover - who knows? Currans was a big win but for the last county board. That's a bit like giving David Moyes credit for United's success in 2013 For me they haven't maximised the potential of the work by the development squads and fantastic minor teams we have. They seem a bit all over the place from the outside looking in. The 2012 Dublin minor team by 2017 had contributed in winning 4 all Irelands. The best of the 2014 Kerry minor team by 2019 had only appeared in one despite being supplemented by 4 more minor winning teams. No U20 / U21 team success. No strategy to stop the likes of Mark O'Shea from leaving the way the Dubs have shielded themselves. Although I guess it goes back to the old addage of full time CEOs and professionals in roles that comes with lopsided funding. We have guys who are in the top roles but on a part time basis. This regime is a poor imitation of the last one. And before you ask, I am definitely NOT a Crokes man! We have a good county board executive, we have nearly always had to be fair this easy find fault and pick holes but all in all the present one is good
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 9, 2021 23:05:49 GMT
Who are the midfielders in the squad - Moran, Barry, D O Connor, J O'Connor, A spillane? ? who else is being looked at? Barry Mahony, JM Foley were mentioned in early 2020 John Mark Foley is gone from the panel, is Barry Mahony still on the panel does anyone know? If he is looked at anyway I don’t think it will be at midfield, he has a better chance at wing forward. Liam Kearney and Paul O’Shea are other midfielders on the panel. If anyone different than Moran, Barry, Spillane and Diarmuid O’Connor is going to make an impact then I think it will be Joe O’Connor. I think he has to be given a real look in the league. He has a lot of attributes like fielding, strength, mobility and he can take a score as well. He is our best shot at finding someone new for midfield. With the retirements of Enright and Lyne and talk of another back retiring we are short of backs on the panel. By my reckoning we’ve 11 including the back apparently considering retiring and the newly added Leonard. I would think at least 13 or 14 backs are needed on the panel. Surely Peter Keane will call in another few backs when they are allowed to resume training although I can’t understand why he didn’t just call them in when he called in the others.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 9, 2021 23:14:02 GMT
I am getting a bit depressed at the quality of the players we are getting through to senior level from our minor 5 in a row.
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Post by mossie on Jan 10, 2021 0:00:49 GMT
I am getting a bit depressed at the quality of the players we are getting through to senior level from our minor 5 in a row. Clifford, Sean OShea are blue chip, Mark O'Connor would have been It will come good
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Post by mossie on Jan 10, 2021 0:01:49 GMT
Who are the midfielders in the squad - Moran, Barry, D O Connor, J O'Connor, A spillane? ? who else is being looked at? Barry Mahony, JM Foley were mentioned in early 2020 John Mark Foley is gone from the panel, is Barry Mahony still on the panel does anyone know? If he is looked at anyway I don’t think it will be at midfield, he has a better chance at wing forward. Liam Kearney and Paul O’Shea are other midfielders on the panel. If anyone different than Moran, Barry, Spillane and Diarmuid O’Connor is going to make an impact then I think it will be Joe O’Connor. I think he has to be given a real look in the league. He has a lot of attributes like fielding, strength, mobility and he can take a score as well. He is our best shot at finding someone new for midfield. With the retirements of Enright and Lyne and talk of another back retiring we are short of backs on the panel. By my reckoning we’ve 11 including the back apparently considering retiring and the newly added Leonard. I would think at least 13 or 14 backs are needed on the panel. Surely Peter Keane will call in another few backs when they are allowed to resume training although I can’t understand why he didn’t just call them in when he called in the others. did Joe O'Connor play much minor??
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 10, 2021 0:23:25 GMT
I am getting a bit depressed at the quality of the players we are getting through to senior level from our minor 5 in a row. Clifford, Sean OShea are blue chip, Mark O'Connor would have been It will come good They have been the exception to the rule. Mark O Connors absence is immeasurable. I would.love to see him coming home. But it is still a poor return from 5 years of absolute dominance at minor. Any county would love the likes of Clifford and O shea. They are special.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 10, 2021 9:48:52 GMT
IMO the lack of players coming through from minor (not u17s) to senior level is a reflection of the process. The last Kerry minor team that played Galway in the final looked fantastic, very fit and Conditioned for football and three years later some are playing club but not looking like they have been in an inter county program. Something is going a miss at transition level WHAT?
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Post by pillar on Jan 10, 2021 11:04:27 GMT
IMO the lack of players coming through from minor (not u17s) to senior level is a reflection of the process. The last Kerry minor team that played Galway in the final looked fantastic, very fit and Conditioned for football and three years later some are playing club but not looking like they have been in an inter county program. Something is going a miss at transition level WHAT? True enough.The only concern i would have ,outside of fitness and conditioning,is the level of football that they are playing at.If they are playing with a senior club they are going to prosper more as they are playing at a highest level within the county.If their divisional side doesn't get a run in the County championship wheres the exposure to the highest level.Its true David Clifford will and did make the steps in one bound but not everyone did or will.
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Post by pillar on Jan 10, 2021 11:05:22 GMT
If I'm not mistaken Brian Leonard is a son of the late Eugene.A garda based in Castleisland he played inter county for Limerick but passed away sadly playing for the Desmonds in 2001.His father was a tough defender, so hopefully he's a chip off the old block.His sister Aisling was a great defender with the Kerry Ladies Footballers around 2010 to 2016 as well. Eugene Leonard, did he play in the 1991 munster final for Limerick v kerry in Killarney? Near sure he was wing back Thats him!!
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 10, 2021 11:37:27 GMT
John Mark Foley is gone from the panel, is Barry Mahony still on the panel does anyone know? If he is looked at anyway I don’t think it will be at midfield, he has a better chance at wing forward. Liam Kearney and Paul O’Shea are other midfielders on the panel. If anyone different than Moran, Barry, Spillane and Diarmuid O’Connor is going to make an impact then I think it will be Joe O’Connor. I think he has to be given a real look in the league. He has a lot of attributes like fielding, strength, mobility and he can take a score as well. He is our best shot at finding someone new for midfield. With the retirements of Enright and Lyne and talk of another back retiring we are short of backs on the panel. By my reckoning we’ve 11 including the back apparently considering retiring and the newly added Leonard. I would think at least 13 or 14 backs are needed on the panel. Surely Peter Keane will call in another few backs when they are allowed to resume training although I can’t understand why he didn’t just call them in when he called in the others. did Joe O'Connor play much minor?? Barry Mahony is not part of the current squad - Mark Ryan is another midfielder with the squad - not sure if Kevin O’Sullivan is still there at the moment.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 10, 2021 13:28:07 GMT
IMO the lack of players coming through from minor (not u17s) to senior level is a reflection of the process. The last Kerry minor team that played Galway in the final looked fantastic, very fit and Conditioned for football and three years later some are playing club but not looking like they have been in an inter county program. Something is going a miss at transition level WHAT? From 2014 to 2017 winning teams we've got a few. Sean O Shea and Clifford being the main ones and Shane Ryan, Jason Foley and Tom Sullivan now regulars. Burns, Killian Spillane and Brian O'Beaglaoich have got a lot of game from from the 2014 whileLiam Kearney looks like he could get more time. Matthew Flaherty is a fella i thought would have got more game time at senior, did he play any league games? Thomas O Se also looked good in 2019. From 2015 Conor Geaney looked the most promising aside from Sean O Shea. Andrew Barry looked good at u21 and Junior but never really pushed on. Tom Leo O'Sullivan from Dingle looked good but again didn't puh on. Gavin While is the only one to become a reguler. 2016 Graham O'Sullivan looks like he's a regular now. Diarmuid O'Connor and Dara Moynihan have been requler recently but wouldn't be surprised if they were to lose out. Daniel O'Brien, Michael Foley and Michael Potts could still be looked at. David Shaw is another who looked good from this year and i think he was on the seinor panel at some point? From 2017 Donal O'Sullivan is the standout but have injuries caught up with him already? Barry Mahony wuld be the same. Brian Friel and Fiachra Clifford anotehr tow who looked god but seemed to slip away. So in general we have got quite a few from those teams. With Mark O Conner it's hard to judge. Based on underage etc he looked the real deal but without having seen him play senior we can't say.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 10, 2021 14:00:26 GMT
IMO the lack of players coming through from minor (not u17s) to senior level is a reflection of the process. The last Kerry minor team that played Galway in the final looked fantastic, very fit and Conditioned for football and three years later some are playing club but not looking like they have been in an inter county program. Something is going a miss at transition level WHAT? From 2014 to 2017 winning teams we've got a few. Sean O Shea and Clifford being the main ones and Shane Ryan, Jason Foley and Tom Sullivan now regulars. Burns, Killian Spillane and Brian O'Beaglaoich have got a lot of game from from the 2014 whileLiam Kearney looks like he could get more time. Matthew Flaherty is a fella i thought would have got more game time at senior, did he play any league games? Thomas O Se also looked good in 2019. From 2015 Conor Geaney looked the most promising aside from Sean O Shea. Andrew Barry looked good at u21 and Junior but never really pushed on. Tom Leo O'Sullivan from Dingle looked good but again didn't puh on. Gavin While is the only one to become a reguler. 2016 Graham O'Sullivan looks like he's a regular now. Diarmuid O'Connor and Dara Moynihan have been requler recently but wouldn't be surprised if they were to lose out. Daniel O'Brien, Michael Foley and Michael Potts could still be looked at. David Shaw is another who looked good from this year and i think he was on the seinor panel at some point? From 2017 Donal O'Sullivan is the standout but have injuries caught up with him already? Barry Mahony wuld be the same. Brian Friel and Fiachra Clifford anotehr tow who looked god but seemed to slip away. So in general we have got quite a few from those teams. With Mark O Conner it's hard to judge. Based on underage etc he looked the real deal but without having seen him play senior we can't say. To be fair there’s nothing hard to judge about Mark O’Connor’s ability. He was an exceptional minor not far off Clifford’s level and has made it in the AFL. He is now an important player for a professional team who are competing for championships in a a sport he only picked up at 19. I don’t think there’s any doubt that he would have been one of the very best footballers in the country.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 10, 2021 14:17:51 GMT
The following are the established Senior players we’ve got from the 2014-2017 minor teams.
2014 Ryan TO’Sullivan Beaglaoich Burns Spillane 2015 Foley White 2016 GO’Sullivan O’Shea Moynihan 2017 DO’Connor Clifford
A lot of those are still developing so I’d hope Ryan, Foley, Beaglaoich, White, Burns, Moynihan and Diarmuid O’Connor can find another level. We all know how good Clifford and O’Shea are and I think Tom O’Sullivan is one of the best corner backs in the country.
I hope that we can get a few from Dan O’Donoghue, Daniel O’Brien, Barry Mahony, Donal O’Sullivan, Dylan Casey and Eddie Horan. The latter 3 have time on their side being only just out of u20. After that I don’t see anyone else good enough from those 4 teams so we’re looking at what has broken through and those 6 plus maybe one or two more.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 10, 2021 15:31:01 GMT
For me they haven't maximised the potential of the work by the development squads and fantastic minor teams we have. They seem a bit all over the place from the outside looking in. The 2012 Dublin minor team by 2017 had contributed in winning 4 all Irelands. The best of the 2014 Kerry minor team by 2019 had only appeared in one despite being supplemented by 4 more minor winning teams. No U20 / U21 team success. Since Kerry won the All-Ireland U21 in 2008, Kerry have won 3 out of 12 Munster titles at U21/U20 level [2017,2018 and 2020]. Haven't managed to get to an All-Ireland final losing all three semi-finals. Over the same time period, Dublin have won 9 Leinster finals going on to win 4 All-Irelands and losing 2 finals. Historically there has been a far stronger correlation between U21 success and subsequent senior success as opposed to minor success and senior success.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 10, 2021 16:20:56 GMT
It is all fine naming all the players that played for Kerry at under age as this is where 95% of players come from anyway. What I was getting at is they are not transitioning into hardened senior inter county players. Out of the 14 names mentioned below from a possible 200 minors (panels of 40 since 2014) only 3/4 are IMO are up to taking on Dublin in terms of Strength/ Fitness/speed and game management. If 3/4 of the players inside with Kerry get injured or retires there is an issue because Kerry don’t have a second or third Taugh Morley to call on.
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 10, 2021 16:21:20 GMT
It is all fine naming all the players that played for Kerry at under age as this is where 95% of players come from anyway. What I was getting at is they are not transitioning into hardened senior inter county players. Out of the 14 names mentioned below from a possible 200 minors (panels of 40 since 2014) only 3/4 are IMO are up to taking on Dublin in terms of Strength/ Fitness/speed and game management. If 3/4 of the players inside with Kerry get injured or retires there is an issue because Kerry don’t have a second or third Taugh Morley to call on.
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Post by mossie on Jan 10, 2021 16:22:45 GMT
I mentioned David Clifford and Sean O'Shea as blue chip seniors coming out of minor. I always thought Killian Spillane would too and think he will still, Kerry just have to pick him more often and give him more pitch time
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 10, 2021 17:22:09 GMT
I mentioned David Clifford and Sean O'Shea as blue chip seniors coming out of minor. I always thought Killian Spillane would too and think he will still, Kerry just have to pick him more often and give him more pitch time He has performed brilliantly every time when given the chance, the drawn final and Cork game spring to mind. He has started 3 championship games and in 2 of them he scored 3 points from play each time. He’s also performed well at club level. He has all the attributes needed, he has no significant weakness in his game. It’s time for Peter Keane to reward him and start him consistently. I’d pick a full forward line of Geaney, Clifford and Spillane with Brosnan coming on. I agree if given the chance he can be one of the top forwards in the country.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 10, 2021 17:29:34 GMT
From 2014 to 2017 winning teams we've got a few. Sean O Shea and Clifford being the main ones and Shane Ryan, Jason Foley and Tom Sullivan now regulars. Burns, Killian Spillane and Brian O'Beaglaoich have got a lot of game from from the 2014 whileLiam Kearney looks like he could get more time. Matthew Flaherty is a fella i thought would have got more game time at senior, did he play any league games? Thomas O Se also looked good in 2019. From 2015 Conor Geaney looked the most promising aside from Sean O Shea. Andrew Barry looked good at u21 and Junior but never really pushed on. Tom Leo O'Sullivan from Dingle looked good but again didn't puh on. Gavin While is the only one to become a reguler. 2016 Graham O'Sullivan looks like he's a regular now. Diarmuid O'Connor and Dara Moynihan have been requler recently but wouldn't be surprised if they were to lose out. Daniel O'Brien, Michael Foley and Michael Potts could still be looked at. David Shaw is another who looked good from this year and i think he was on the seinor panel at some point? From 2017 Donal O'Sullivan is the standout but have injuries caught up with him already? Barry Mahony wuld be the same. Brian Friel and Fiachra Clifford anotehr tow who looked god but seemed to slip away. So in general we have got quite a few from those teams. With Mark O Conner it's hard to judge. Based on underage etc he looked the real deal but without having seen him play senior we can't say. To be fair there’s nothing hard to judge about Mark O’Connor’s ability. He was an exceptional minor not far off Clifford’s level and has made it in the AFL. He is now an important player for a professional team who are competing for championships in a a sport he only picked up at 19. I don’t think there’s any doubt that he would have been one of the very best footballers in the country.Well there is doubt as he haven't played at senior level as of yet. There's no doubting he was a great minor, maybe one of Kerrys best ever, but as ha been seen time and time a again being a great minor doesn't make being a great senior a cert. Yes he's now a main man in the AFL but that still doesn't guarantee he would have been a great senior player. Hopefully i'll be proved wrong and he does come back to play with Kerry but until then it's purely an opinion.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 10, 2021 17:31:08 GMT
It is all fine naming all the players that played for Kerry at under age as this is where 95% of players come from anyway. What I was getting at is they are not transitioning into hardened senior inter county players. Out of the 14 names mentioned below from a possible 200 minors (panels of 40 since 2014) only 3/4 are IMO are up to taking on Dublin in terms of Strength/ Fitness/speed and game management. If 3/4 of the players inside with Kerry get injured or retires there is an issue because Kerry don’t have a second or third Taugh Morley to call on. In reality you're only ever going to get 2/3 players from underage teams. A lot changes after minor
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Post by mossie on Jan 10, 2021 19:18:06 GMT
I mentioned David Clifford and Sean O'Shea as blue chip seniors coming out of minor. I always thought Killian Spillane would too and think he will still, Kerry just have to pick him more often and give him more pitch time He has performed brilliantly every time when given the chance, the drawn final and Cork game spring to mind. He has started 3 championship games and in 2 of them he scored 3 points from play each time. He’s also performed well at club level. He has all the attributes needed, he has no significant weakness in his game. It’s time for Peter Keane to reward him and start him consistently. I’d pick a full forward line of Geaney, Clifford and Spillane with Brosnan coming on. I agree if given the chance he can be one of the top forwards in the country. I would just run with Spillane in 2021, he has done enough to get a good run at it
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 10, 2021 19:37:46 GMT
What Parsons went through doesn't bear thinking about and it looks like even he couldn't get back on terms. If it is TCB's performance you are talking about well you need a score card - looks like Currans was the big win. On Donie issue not so sure but now up to PK to redeem. Fitzy said the rebuild takes time and that they got. I honestly think Kerry football is in a better place than our county team is telling us but then again I am not so close to things, though being too close isn't ideal either. I suppose if it wasn't for Oz we might have bagged a few more Sams and there may never have been a Dublin takeover - who knows? Currans was a big win but for the last county board. That's a bit like giving David Moyes credit for United's success in 2013 For me they haven't maximised the potential of the work by the development squads and fantastic minor teams we have. They seem a bit all over the place from the outside looking in. The 2012 Dublin minor team by 2017 had contributed in winning 4 all Irelands. The best of the 2014 Kerry minor team by 2019 had only appeared in one despite being supplemented by 4 more minor winning teams. No U20 / U21 team success. No strategy to stop the likes of Mark O'Shea from leaving the way the Dubs have shielded themselves. Although I guess it goes back to the old addage of full time CEOs and professionals in roles that comes with lopsided funding. We have guys who are in the top roles but on a part time basis. This regime is a poor imitation of the last one. And before you ask, I am definitely NOT a Crokes man! I'm not into this Crokes thing, well apart from admiring them and don't get what ya at re Mark O'6. I'd say TCB do their best but yes, part-time v full-time. My call on PK is just a hunch and hopefully I will be proven wrong. I mean it's hardly that I'm an expert having yet to manage that World Cup winning team! I did have a gripe re the 'as it happens' gamblers anon who PM'd vile comments, a touch of what Davy Fitz is now calling out and where his dad was targeted. It didn't upset me a bit, unlike the cowardly perpetrators and who have been rather quiet since. The forum can be proud in that while there is anonymity, I don't recall anyone hiding behind it - we are far too honest for that auld palaver.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jan 10, 2021 20:53:40 GMT
To be fair there’s nothing hard to judge about Mark O’Connor’s ability. He was an exceptional minor not far off Clifford’s level and has made it in the AFL. He is now an important player for a professional team who are competing for championships in a a sport he only picked up at 19. I don’t think there’s any doubt that he would have been one of the very best footballers in the country.Well there is doubt as he haven't played at senior level as of yet. There's no doubting he was a great minor, maybe one of Kerrys best ever, but as ha been seen time and time a again being a great minor doesn't make being a great senior a cert. Yes he's now a main man in the AFL but that still doesn't guarantee he would have been a great senior player. Hopefully i'll be proved wrong and he does come back to play with Kerry but until then it's purely an opinion. In fairness the traits that typically cause outstanding minors not to make it at senior level are poor attitude, injury or maybe failure to develop physically. Mark has excelled positively in all three areas so although granted it is a different sport i think it’s a very fair assumption he would have been an outstanding midfielder for Kerry had he remained.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 10, 2021 21:44:03 GMT
John Mark Foley is gone from the panel, is Barry Mahony still on the panel does anyone know? If he is looked at anyway I don’t think it will be at midfield, he has a better chance at wing forward. Liam Kearney and Paul O’Shea are other midfielders on the panel. If anyone different than Moran, Barry, Spillane and Diarmuid O’Connor is going to make an impact then I think it will be Joe O’Connor. I think he has to be given a real look in the league. He has a lot of attributes like fielding, strength, mobility and he can take a score as well. He is our best shot at finding someone new for midfield. With the retirements of Enright and Lyne and talk of another back retiring we are short of backs on the panel. By my reckoning we’ve 11 including the back apparently considering retiring and the newly added Leonard. I would think at least 13 or 14 backs are needed on the panel. Surely Peter Keane will call in another few backs when they are allowed to resume training although I can’t understand why he didn’t just call them in when he called in the others. did Joe O'Connor play much minor?? He never played Kerry minor. He played a lot of rugby when he was younger so I think that was probably a contributing factor. He was midfield for the u20s in 2019.
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Post by pillar on Jan 10, 2021 22:03:40 GMT
Given Dublin recent success what Kerry probably lack for the younger players is the seasoned veteran who has multiple All Irelands who can drag the team during a rough spell in a game.I saw a stat somewhere that outside of Dublin there's only 14 All Ireland medal winners still playing,9 in Kerry.The way I see it its probably going to be 3 or 4 years before we see a Kerry team in its prime if 27-29 years old is considered peak.The most recent retirees are all 31 but only have 1 All Ireland.So this team may have have to wait a while more to be properly judged.I think there's a definite need to have a root and branch look at the overall structure with an eye to the type of players we are producing,their skill set and the kind of player we need(e.g.man marking corner backs).
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Post by mossie on Jan 10, 2021 23:09:46 GMT
did Joe O'Connor play much minor?? He never played Kerry minor. He played a lot of rugby when he was younger so I think that was probably a contributing factor. He was midfield for the u20s in 2019. I knew I couldnt recall him at minor, the rugby might have done him no harm at all
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 11, 2021 9:07:21 GMT
Kingsomson, I acknowledge the points you make but I remain more concerned about our defence , far more concerned , than about our attack. I am including our goalie in defence of course . This concern has a lot to do with quantity. There is a problem with quality as well.Without going into detail , will do if needs be, I could name perhaps ten or twelve potential forwards whom I would expect to perform adequately at intercounty level , not all of course would be match winners, while I struggle to similarly name a list of defenders . I must stress of course, as I have stressed several times before , the potential of our forwards is contingent on our chief marksmen being deployed essentially as that. Accordingly, I feel no guilt in repeatedly castigating management for deficiencies in that regard. Staying with the forwards, you name check Ciaran Kilkenny, Con O’Callaghan and Dean Rock. All marvelous players no doubt. You question , more or less , have we forwards to compare with these, on proven form. The first point to remember is that these players are constantly in the shop window whereas our lads , particularly in this abysmal year , get less exposure for obvious reasons. I suppose a fairer question to pose would Sean O’Shea, David Clifford and Paul Geaney, if they were on the Dublin team, be as effective as the three lads you mention? I suggest the answer is yes. Incidentally, and I concede that this has nothing to do with the main thrust of your argument, if I was allowed to pick one forward for effectiveness, skill, feats of unexpectedness and ability to excite a crowd , it would be the boy from Spa. So, he goes in at 14. Allow for bias of course. Returning to the defence. you are a bit lenient on them as regards the concession of the goal in the replay. At the Canal End, I had a bird’s eye view of that calamity. It is difficult to believe that a defensive unit could behave so naively, even allowing for the generous steps. Basic defending would have been somebody to rush out and take him head on , conceding a yellow card of course. I think if somebody is making a case for the defence that case of schoolboy defending needs to be highlighted because , very likely , it turned the game Dublin’s way after our heroic comeback . And of course, in the same campaign you can’t forget the , at times , shambolic defending in the Munster final. Kimgdomson, I don’t think there is a whole lot of disagreement between us but I do submit that we have greater problems in defence whereas a more positive approach by management would unleash the potential we have up front. Midfield of course another story. Veteran as a man who watches more than most of us & based off last years club & county championship, who do you think should be brought in?
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