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Post by clarinman on May 15, 2022 16:44:59 GMT
Am I correct in saying that today's results in Munster bring Tipperary back into contention? If Tipp beat Cork and Clare beat Waterford next weekend, there will be 3 teams on 2 points and it will come down to points difference for third position in the group.
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2022 16:45:51 GMT
Super contest between Clare and Limerick.
A draw a fair result. Tony Kelly gave one of the greatest ever displays surely.
These two could meet in the All Ireland final yet.
Edgy affair at times. Refs are turning against Limerick. Hard to blame them too. Hegarty at it again today drawing trouble on himself.
What a disastrous day for Waterford.
If Cork beat Tipp, and Waterford beat Clare, Cork will go through as the head to head counts when 2 teams on the same points. Cork will surely beat Tipp.
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Post by veteran on May 15, 2022 19:12:09 GMT
Delighted for Clare and above all for Brian Lohan . He strikes me as an honourable man. Not a whiff of the huckster about him.
In future Clare will need a greater spread of scorers. Tony will not always be able to score as freely as he did today.
That was a harsh red for Gearoid Hegarty. Is it a case of a dog getting a bad name?
It was a huge effort by Limerick considering they had nothing to play for. It gives a lie to the contention that only a winner takes all game can generate a real contest.
Even allowing for the understandable voracious intent of Cork , Waterford were strangely passive , especially considering they were playing at home. It would be a shame if they have played their best hurling before May is out.
It is a pity that Clare and Tipp have nothing to play for next weekend. It means that the progress of Cork and Waterford will be determined by the attitude of their opponents and the strength of the teams Clare and Tipp decide to field. For instance , I suspect that Brian Lohan’s main concern will be injuries and incurring red cards. Hence he may decide to field a much weakened side.
Kieran Kingston was removed from the sideline by the referee yet he appeared there again some time later in the match. How come?
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2022 19:22:36 GMT
Kieran Kingston was removed from the sideline by the referee yet he appeared there again some time later in the match. How come? One for Donal Og to clarify |
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Post by clarinman on May 15, 2022 21:03:49 GMT
Delighted for Clare and above all for Brian Lohan . He strikes me as an honourable man. Not a whiff of the huckster about him. In future Clare will need a greater spread of scorers. Tony will not always be able to score as freely as he did today. That was a harsh red for Gearoid Hegarty. Is it a case of a dog getting a bad name? It was a huge effort by Limerick considering they had nothing to play for. It gives a lie to the contention that only a winner takes all game can generate a real contest. Even allowing for the understandable voracious intent of Cork , Waterford were strangely passive , especially considering they were playing at home. It would be a shame if they have played their best hurling before May is out. It is a pity that Clare and Tipp have nothing to play for next weekend. It means that the progress of Cork and Waterford will be determined by the attitude of their opponents and the strength of the teams Clare and Tipp decide to field. For instance , I suspect that Brian Lohan’s main concern will be injuries and incurring red cards. Hence he may decide to field a much weakened side. Kieran Kingston was removed from the sideline by the referee yet he appeared there again some time later in the match. How come? Tipperary are not out vet. If Clare beat Waterford and tipp beat cork, it comes down to points difference. |
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Post by glengael on May 16, 2022 11:52:13 GMT
Munster is very competitive. it will be interesting the see what way Waterford go now, up or down.
Clare/Limerick was some contest. Ennis is a fine compact ground for a day like that (yes I know the stadium itself belongs in the 1970s but with a packed house, there's a great atmosphere there).
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2022 12:09:27 GMT
Munster is very competitive. Waterford would beat Wexford or Dublin pulling up. Wexford or Dublin will be in the QFs. Yesterday again showed how little the league matters. A rampant Waterford took Cork apart in the league final. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2022 7:33:51 GMT
Delighted for Clare and above all for Brian Lohan . He strikes me as an honourable man. Not a whiff of the huckster about him. In future Clare will need a greater spread of scorers. Tony will not always be able to score as freely as he did today. That was a harsh red for Gearoid Hegarty. Is it a case of a dog getting a bad name? It was a huge effort by Limerick considering they had nothing to play for. It gives a lie to the contention that only a winner takes all game can generate a real contest. Even allowing for the understandable voracious intent of Cork , Waterford were strangely passive , especially considering they were playing at home. It would be a shame if they have played their best hurling before May is out. It is a pity that Clare and Tipp have nothing to play for next weekend. It means that the progress of Cork and Waterford will be determined by the attitude of their opponents and the strength of the teams Clare and Tipp decide to field. For instance , I suspect that Brian Lohan’s main concern will be injuries and incurring red cards. Hence he may decide to field a much weakened side. Kieran Kingston was removed from the sideline by the referee yet he appeared there again some time later in the match. How come? Tipperary are not out vet. If Clare beat Waterford and tipp beat cork, it comes down to points difference. If Tipp beat Cork by 7 points and Waterford beat Clare by at least 8 points, then Tipp grab 3rd place. |
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Post by Joxer on May 17, 2022 14:20:54 GMT
If Cork beat Tipp, and Waterford beat Clare, Cork will go through as the head to head counts when 2 teams on the same points. Cork will surely beat Tipp. So if Cork win on Sunday, they are through to the qtr-final regardless of the outcome of the Waterford v Clare game? And if Tipp were to beat Cork and Clare beat Waterford, it comes down to scoring differences as each of the 3 teams on 2pts will have won a game against one of the other 2 in that group of 3? Finally, if Tipp beat Cork and Waterford beat Clare, Waterford go through to the Qtr-Final. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2022 16:29:20 GMT
If Cork beat Tipp, and Waterford beat Clare, Cork will go through as the head to head counts when 2 teams on the same points. Cork will surely beat Tipp. So if Cork win on Sunday, they are through to the qtr-final regardless of the outcome of the Waterford v Clare game? And if Tipp were to beat Cork and Clare beat Waterford, it comes down to scoring differences as each of the 3 teams on 2pts will have won a game against one of the other 2 in that group of 3? Finally, if Tipp beat Cork and Waterford beat Clare, Waterford go through to the Qtr-Final. I think this is it Joxer Point 1 ..yes Point 2...scoring difference always applies where 3 teams are on the same points regardless of who beat who in the round robin Point 3 Scoring differences applies...see my earlier post today |
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Post by Joxer on May 19, 2022 10:58:06 GMT
Thanks Mickmack. I think on Point 3, Waterford will have won two games and both Tipp and Cork will have won only one each so no scoring differences needed.
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Post by Mickmack on May 20, 2022 21:09:28 GMT
Tipperary are not out vet. If Clare beat Waterford and tipp beat cork, it comes down to points difference. If Tipp beat Cork by 7 points and Waterford beat Clare by at least 8 points, then Tipp grab 3rd place. Clare have made 6 changes for sunday. Tony Kelly is one of the 6 not playing. Waterfords chances of beating Clare well are improved! A one point win by Cork will be enough no matter how much Waterford beat Clare by. |
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Post by legendz on May 21, 2022 19:05:38 GMT
I'm surprised that Wexford beat Kilkenny. The Westmeath draw must have been a good kick up the ass.
No damage for Kilkenny who have still made the final but they must be concerned by their 2 losses.
Hats off to Westmeath. I thought Laois would come out on top. I see Antrim as better than Laois. Not sure where I'll rank Antrim in comparison with Westmeath.
Laois require a favour from Kerry! If Kerry win the McDonagh Cup, Laois will retain their Leinster status.
Cork, Waterford and Tipperary all have a chance of making the third spot in Munster. If Kerry win the McDonagh, the 5th placed team will have to take on Kerry in a relegation play-off! An interesting few weeks ahead!
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Post by veteran on May 22, 2022 18:02:15 GMT
Michael Duignan made a very interesting comment during the Tipperary v Cork match. He said he was astonished at how few Tipperary supporters he saw before the match. Imagine that. A one time hurling powerhouse playing at home in Thurles , where it all began, being deserted by their followers in their grave hour of need , choosing, perhaps, to stay at home to watch Liverpool etc on the television. It confirms once more the wisdom of the old adage: “ Success has many fathers. Failure is an orphan”.
Of course the fine day supporter is not confined to Tipperary.
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Post by thehermit on May 22, 2022 18:16:21 GMT
Oh Waterford what the hell!!!!
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Post by thehermit on May 22, 2022 18:16:59 GMT
Then again Clare were always my second team, D Banner for Liam!!
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Post by Mickmack on May 22, 2022 18:40:50 GMT
Oh Waterford what the hell!!!! And they looked so good when winning the league! |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2022 14:12:51 GMT
The game on Saturday evening between KK and Galway can't come quick enough.
Apart from the Leinster final medal and Cody v Shefflin, there is the reward that the winners can't meet the champions of Munster till the final.
I expect Limerick to beat Clare on Sunday in a full blooded contest. You feel there is another gear in Limerick for when it matters.
The losers of the provincials finals will have to play a QF probably against Wexford or Cork and those games wont be easily won either.
It all points to skin and hair flying in both provincial finals and
after last weekend we could go with a few engrossing encounters.
From this weekend on till the end of July both codes should deliver many close contests. Bring it on as the saying goes.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2022 23:31:43 GMT
Well that KK v Galway game was very disappointing.
Stop start all through and a free after nearly every contact.
Limerick wont be losing nay sleep after that.
Shefflin was man enough to walk over to shake Codys hand.
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Post by veteran on Jun 5, 2022 9:42:20 GMT
The Kilkenny/Galway match was of poor quality. It provided further evidence that hurling is now as difficult to referee as football. In too many incidents a free could be awarded in either direction.
Galway hurlers must one of the most frustrating teams to support. One day they look invincible and the following week they look pedestrian and aimless. They were beaten by a far from vintage Kilkenny team. Surely, the outright winners will come from Limerick, Cork, Clare.
It was sad once more to watch the antics of Brian Cody and Henry Sheflin at the end. Here were two men who had sported and played for so many glory filled days and now behaving with the uncertainty of a man and a woman across the floor from each other in a ballroom long ago. Both fearful of making the first move in case of rejection. Ultimately, the frosty handshake was reprised. Does anybody know the basis for this apparent hostility.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 5, 2022 9:52:41 GMT
Well Cody headed straight onto the field at the final whistle to greet his players.
Henry was then faced with hanging around waiting for the moment to walk over to shake Codys hand.
Henry stood in the tunnel and greeted KK players as they walked off.
Henry seems a very decent man who has suffered the untimely death of his brother a few months ago and could do without this circus.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 5, 2022 10:42:20 GMT
The Kilkenny/Galway match was of poor quality. It provided further evidence that hurling is now as difficult to referee as football. In too many incidents a free could be awarded in either direction. Galway hurlers must one of the most frustrating teams to support. One day they look invincible and the following week they look pedestrian and aimless. They were beaten by a far from vintage Kilkenny team. Surely, the outright winners will come from Limerick, Cork, Clare. It was sad once more to watch the antics of Brian Cody and Henry Sheflin at the end. Here were two men who had sported and played for so many glory filled days and now behaving with the uncertainty of a man and a woman across the floor from each other in a ballroom long ago. Both fearful of making the first move in case of rejection. Ultimately, the frosty handshake was reprised. Does anybody know the basis for this apparent hostility.
This from Tommy Conroy is probably the answer to your question Cody’s alpha and omega was, and is, winning silverware. So, his froideur with Shefflin in Salthill was merely a logical extension of his mindset. He had been beaten at the death, he was swallowing sour grapes and couldn’t rustle up a smile, not even for Henry.
Maybe especially not for Henry. Because, apart from anything else, what was Shefflin doing on the Galway sideline in the first place? It has been speculated, rightly or wrongly, that Cody took a dim view of this black and amber legend taking on a team that would pose a direct threat to his beloved county. This threat duly came to pass in Salthill.
And not just that, but Shefflin also had the temerity to turn him down when Cody invited him to join his backroom team a few years ago. For someone who was well used to hearing ‘Yes, Brian’, it may have been a tad ... disconcerting ... to hear ‘No, Brian’. Thanks but no thanks. The Kilkenny King Lear spurned by his own Cordelia.
In strictly sporting terms, a post-match handshake is the stuff of trivia. But when it unfolds as it did on this occasion, it is the stuff of human interest, which is to say it is the stuff of life. There is nothing more fascinating than human relationships. Even allowing that most dressing room relationships are generally transactional in nature and transient in time, when they are as deeply entwined as this one was, it is interesting to observe how they are with each other now.
They will probably be fine in the long run but, standing side by side on the sideline again next Saturday, they will be further apart than they have ever been in their lives together. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 5, 2022 11:32:30 GMT
The Kilkenny/Galway match was of poor quality. It provided further evidence that hurling is now as difficult to referee as football. In too many incidents a free could be awarded in either direction. Galway hurlers must one of the most frustrating teams to support. One day they look invincible and the following week they look pedestrian and aimless. They were beaten by a far from vintage Kilkenny team. Surely, the outright winners will come from Limerick, Cork, Clare. It was sad once more to watch the antics of Brian Cody and Henry Sheflin at the end. Here were two men who had sported and played for so many glory filled days and now behaving with the uncertainty of a man and a woman across the floor from each other in a ballroom long ago. Both fearful of making the first move in case of rejection. Ultimately, the frosty handshake was reprised. Does anybody know the basis for this apparent hostility.
This from Tommy Conroy is probably the answer to your question Cody’s alpha and omega was, and is, winning silverware. So, his froideur with Shefflin in Salthill was merely a logical extension of his mindset. He had been beaten at the death, he was swallowing sour grapes and couldn’t rustle up a smile, not even for Henry.
Maybe especially not for Henry. Because, apart from anything else, what was Shefflin doing on the Galway sideline in the first place? It has been speculated, rightly or wrongly, that Cody took a dim view of this black and amber legend taking on a team that would pose a direct threat to his beloved county. This threat duly came to pass in Salthill.
And not just that, but Shefflin also had the temerity to turn him down when Cody invited him to join his backroom team a few years ago. For someone who was well used to hearing ‘Yes, Brian’, it may have been a tad ... disconcerting ... to hear ‘No, Brian’. Thanks but no thanks. The Kilkenny King Lear spurned by his own Cordelia.
In strictly sporting terms, a post-match handshake is the stuff of trivia. But when it unfolds as it did on this occasion, it is the stuff of human interest, which is to say it is the stuff of life. There is nothing more fascinating than human relationships. Even allowing that most dressing room relationships are generally transactional in nature and transient in time, when they are as deeply entwined as this one was, it is interesting to observe how they are with each other now.
They will probably be fine in the long run but, standing side by side on the sideline again next Saturday, they will be further apart than they have ever been in their lives together.The unstoppable force that is Henry meeting the immovable object that is Cody, tests the territorial fundamentals of the GAA like never before, and one can only begin to imagine the jibes that will go on for centuries to come - 'we never fought against our own', 'we never looked down our nose at the King', etc. Henry probably thought his best route to ever managing The Cats and getting the best results was to do as he did and while getting involved with other teams is common, jumping ship to manage the arch rival takes it to a new level. Cody will stay on indefinitely and it was a hard ask of Henry hang around and there are no guarantees in life. The thing is will the Cats now entertain him, some will be against it, people have different lengths of memory? - GAA HQ rebuffed Dwyer as Aussie Rules boss because of a washing machine, ok different times but it is all rooted in the same ideology that helps make the GAA what it is, i.e. pride of place, local derbies, etc - the other option is to be controlled by an Oil Shiekh. It is another symptom of the pressure the parish rule meets with globalisation induced 'spreading the wings' and of course we don't know the half of it, what fellas are paid, etc - reminds of that Cahersiveen saying 'see no evil, hear no evil, make enquiries.' Just a pity last nights game didn't live up to expectations though the handshake had everyone on edge - I'm terrible! |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 5, 2022 16:43:14 GMT
Draw at full time and extra time and possibly penalties to come. Surely one of the greatest hurling games. I would give the ref great credit. I feared that Limerick subs might swing it but Clare subs are contributing too. A point from a line ball by TK to level it was a fitting end.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 5, 2022 16:49:56 GMT
Can't Stop TK
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Post by veteran on Jun 5, 2022 18:34:56 GMT
A manic, epic contest , putting the Leinster final in the shade. Limerick deserved it, with their reservoir of fitness from the past couple.of years proving decisive in extra time.
Brian Lohan has done a remarkable job with Clare and of course they are not finished yet. He comes across as a decent man for whom , it appears , each player would lay down his life.
Now at the expense of being described as a curmudgeon , even in the aftermath of this mammoth contest, I must restate a hobby horse of mine. Just as it has been in football for years it is becoming impossible to referee a hurling match. More often than not, one does not know when a free is going to be awarded and in what direction it is going to go. Perhaps the difficulty arises because nowadays players are so fit they are enabled to descend on the man in possession like a flock of vultures and hence the lawlessness in an attempt to dispossess an opponent. My goodness , did we ever think we would live to see the day when the word “ruck” would become part of the hurling lexicon.
All done apparently to “let the game flow”. Where is it going to end? Will hurling degenerate into the muck we too often see in football? The worry is that it will and the hope is that it won’t.
One egregious example of this uncertainty regarding the rules is illustrated by the last play at the end of normal time. Limerick are a point up and their corner back collects the ball and is clearly pulled/pushed out over the sideline. There was a time when this incident clearly resulted in a free out. Today , as it does all too frequently now, it resulted in a sideline cut to Clare which Tony Kelly gloriously converted. An appropriate end I imagine most people would suggest but if we are prepared to overlook an infringement because it suits a particular narrative how can we legitimately complain about any refereeing decision. For the record, I was delighted when Tony got the chance to further exhibit his wizardy . But that is neither here nor there.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 5, 2022 18:46:03 GMT
Honesty.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 5, 2022 18:46:37 GMT
A hurling game might well have broken out in Croke Park between KK and Galway if it werent for James Owens. KK played him numerous times and he fell for it.
I thought todays ref contributed hugely to an marvellous match.
I am assuming Wexford and Cork will win their next matches.
I wonder will it an open draw to see whether its Cork or Wexford to play Clare in the QF.
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Post by taggert on Jun 5, 2022 18:48:54 GMT
A magnificent contest in wet conditions with incredible power, pace, skill and stamina on display and certainly one that made Gaelic Football look like the very poor GAA relation that it currently is.
The speed of the game, the physicality of the tussles and the neverending desire to outscore the opponent a joy to behold.
Clare have now gone toe to toe with Limerick twice this season with next to nothing between them save for the winning knowhow and the deeper well of conditioned talent by Limerick. Of course the wizardry of Cian Lynch would be missed too by even the greatest teams. Clare looking more than the sum of their parts - a good barometer of a managrment and coaching team.
Here is hoping we see a 3rd titanic battle between the duo later this summer....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 19:01:02 GMT
A hurling game might well have broken out in Croke Park between KK and Galway if it werent for James Owens. KK played him numerous times and he fell for it. I thought todays ref contributed hugely to an marvellous match. I am assuming Wexford and Cork will win their next matches. I wonder will it an open draw to see whether its Cork or Wexford to play Clare in the QF. I think it would be Wexford V Clare and Cork v Galway. Clare just need to beat a couple of Leinster teams to get to the final. |
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