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Post by john4 on May 2, 2022 7:36:10 GMT
I know zero about hurling but how anyone could argue that Galway's last free wasn't a free must be nuts. All I know is that a Galway player was taken out with a blow to the back of the head while in the air, now if that's "just hurling" I'm as well off sticking with the football.
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Post by taggert on May 2, 2022 10:12:40 GMT
It wouldn't have been a free in a Kilkenny training match but I think it was a tad late and wild - seen 'em given, seen 'em not. Context of other frees in game is important and what the ref does/does not let go.
Galway did get a bad call against Wexford so maybe Kilkenny will be due one.
Cody went down in my book with the handshake - see footage below. Something despotic, dictatorial, a kind of how dare you, about it all. Is he planning on entrenching himself in there like Mickey Harte did in Tyrone? Henry owes Cody or Kilkenny nothing.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 2, 2022 10:14:38 GMT
Was there time left when the goal went in? Could the ref have blown up on the goal?
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Post by taggert on May 2, 2022 10:37:55 GMT
I believe it was over the allotted 3 mins before puck out after goal, but stand corrected, so ref could have blown full time.
Refs discretion tho.
Ladies football clock stopping and buzzer takes it out of refs hand.
Some refs blow on the button, even if a minute is wasted taking a free in injury time - e.g. Cluxton in 2011.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 2, 2022 11:17:09 GMT
Though having seen that side photo you linked to I wonder if it was resignation on Cody's part - certainly my impression from the frontal on TV was uncharacteristic of him, ah maybe in fairness it was hard to take even for someone of his stature and he owes nobody anything. Ah that latest video confirms my initial take on it - Brian let himself down rather badly and opponents will now seize on that, it will give further lift to the Tribesmen as they stand by Henry and who I believe is a God there already. I thought more of Cody, thought he was a bigger man than that. He refused to let go of Henry's hand, in fact he pulled Henry towards him, The King spoke but no lip movement by his old ruler - maybe Brian was preserving vis vocal chords for the officials - did anyone else spot him chasing them? Kilkenny people mightn't be so proud with Eddie Brennan contending that 'If Kilkenny had snatched a draw they wouldn’t have deserved it.' Cody must have been really hurting if he couldn't hide his displeasure and it will be sad if he goes out on that note after all he achieved. |
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Post by veteran on May 2, 2022 11:27:00 GMT
It was noteworthy on the Sunday Game that we got interviews with the football managers but not with the hurling managers . What was that about ? It would have been interesting to hear from Mr. Cody but perhaps they could not find a reporter to confront him!
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2022 11:38:13 GMT
I thought it was a free anyway on real time and thats all the ref had to go on. Imagine if he hadnt blown for it. The ball had broken to a KK who would probably have slotted the winner. Mayhem then.
Maybe over the hour Galway got a few breaks.....but they were the home team.... nothing new in that. Wexford definitely got a few decisions at the end in their home game v Galway.
Its why home advantage often matters.
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2022 17:57:47 GMT
Kilkenny beat Galway by a point after extra time in the u20 Leinster semi. Brilliant game altogether.
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Post by clarinman on May 2, 2022 18:12:19 GMT
Kilkenny beat Galway by a point after extra time in the u20 Leinster semi. Brilliant game altogether. Super game. Galway will be kicking themselves after missing 2 penalties in normal time. I thought Kilkenny got a few soft frees in extra time after Galway went 5 points up. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 2, 2022 21:25:30 GMT
It was noteworthy on the Sunday Game that we got interviews with the football managers but not with the hurling managers . What was that about ? It would have been interesting to hear from Mr. Cody but perhaps they could not find a reporter to confront him! As a GAA man you must have been very disappointed Vet - ah nobody is perfect but that was more attitude that a momentary lapse, just what was going on inside his head? What had he to gain? First a brave if bereaving Henry, next the ref and officials, then no interview - maybe just as well. He is better than this and so are the magical cats. I really admire Brian when he puts the record straight but he makes some mess on occasion God bless him. Was he expecting King Henry to twiddle his thumbs until King Brian Boru abdicated? While Brian has been good for Henry, the opposite is also true, and it is all in the name of the game, the rules of sportsmanship that we don't break - if people on opposite sides of a civil war did it back in the day surely we can man up today! |
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Post by Mickmack on May 3, 2022 21:02:20 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 7, 2022 14:03:22 GMT
Offaly beat Dublin and Laois beat Kilkenny in the Leinster minor hurling championship semi finals!
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2022 17:51:54 GMT
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Post by clarinman on May 8, 2022 19:20:04 GMT
Don't think Limerick are guaranteed a final place yet Mick. If Clare beat Limerick and Waterford beat both Cork and Clare, there will be 3 teams on 6 points and it will come down to points difference. It's unlikely Limerick will miss out though given their healthy points difference. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2022 20:17:56 GMT
Oh...i thought the 'head to head' took precedence.
I'd say there was a lot going on today between Gillane and Cathal Barrett. Gillane pulled reckless 'the wrong way' on another Tipp man ....he looked very wound up .
At the end a high ball into the square was fielded by Gillane behind Barrett and Gillane goaled. The slow motion showed Gillane clipping Barrett with the hurley on the side of the helmet as they rose for the ball. The tv coverage is unreal nowadays. It will be interesting to watch TSG tonight to see if they reference this incident.
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Post by clarinman on May 8, 2022 20:47:40 GMT
Oh...i thought the 'head to head' took precedence. I'd say there was a lot going on today between Gillane and Cathal Barrett. Gillane pulled reckless 'the wrong way' on another Tipp man ....he looked very wound up . At the end a high ball into the square was fielded by Gillane behind Barrett and Gillane goaled. The slow motion showed Gillane clipping Barrett with the hurley on the side of the helmet as they rose for the ball. The tv coverage is unreal nowadays. It will be interesting to watch TSG tonight to see if they reference this incident. Head to head only counts when 2 teams are involved. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2022 7:37:26 GMT
Brian Gavin: I definitely would have sent off Aaron Gillane
MON, 09 MAY, 2022 - 07:34
BRIAN GAVIN
What a savage atmosphere that was in Limerick yesterday and Tipperary deserve acknowledgement for matching the All-Ireland champions’ intensity for so much of the game.
A tough, physical game, it appeared to be just as difficult to referee. Liam Gordon refereed these two in a Munster semi-final two years ago and at the time I felt it was too much for him. It wasn’t a criticism of him rather Croke Park for prematurely appointing him to such a big game.
Here, for the most part he looked to be up to the job. His signalling and fitness were sharp and he gave a lot of good advantage that added to the flow of the game. The vast majority of the yellow cards he handed out were right too and he whistled for a couple of throw balls.
The big question is whether he should have sent off Aaron Gillane in the final quarter. I definitely would have. I understand that people believe it to be a 50-50 decision but the main problem I have with his foul was that he was pulling in the direction away from the Tipperary goal initially with two hands on the hurl. He went in with intent.
It might not have been the most ferocious strike on Ronan Maher and I think Liam may have stopped short of showing red because Gillane seemed to ease up on the blow but there was more than enough done for me to send him to the line.
If he had gone in with one hand to flick the ball away, then it might not have even been a yellow but it looked worse with two hands and could you really compare it as a yellow to the ones that were shown to Gearóid Hegarty, Conor Stakelum and Noel McGrath? Hardly.
After being fortunate not to be red-carded against Tipperary in last year’s Munster final, Gillane is using up a lot of luck right now. Darragh O’Donovan may also have been spared when he was booked for using the hurl on Jake Morris. Maybe it was O’Donovan getting one back after he shipped a heavy foul a few minutes earlier but linesman Seán Stack seemed to think there was something in it and told Liam.
With Limerick continually playing to the edge, I would really hate to referee their in-house games. John Kiely recently said he takes the whistle for them but I’d say he uses it as rarely as Brian Cody when Kilkenny were hitting the heights.
Liam, with his team, made some good spots such as Craig Morgan’s foul on Graeme Mulcahy. He paid no heed to the crowd when he penalised Gillane for catching the ball three times. Kyle Hayes was rightly yellow carded for persistent fouling although Tom Morrissey was unlucky to be done for overcarrying early on when his hurl was being held.
On Saturday, Brendan Cawley contributed to the game by allowing a good bit of physical play in the opening stages. Some of Cork’s tackling was inspiring but at times they were over-zealous, especially on Paudie Clifford. John O’Rourke was correctly booked as was David Clifford who knew exactly what he was doing in fouling Seán Powter.
The two major talking points in the Cavan-Donegal Ulster semi-final yesterday were the first-minute penalty call and the decision to show a yellow card to Pádraig Faulkner on Paddy McBrearty. I felt Conor Lane was within his rights not to award the spot kick as not enough pressure was applied. Faulkner’s high tackle did catch McBrearty in the jaw but I didn’t see the maliciousness in it to warrant a red.
Finally, something to mention that we might see more of in the coming weeks. Physios and medics appear to be double-jobbing in some cases, bringing in messages to players now that the maor foirne role has been disbanded. We all want quieter sidelines but I’d have sympathy for management teams, 35 minutes a half is a long time not to be able to communicate and a well-policed running selector role should be introduced.
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2022 7:39:49 GMT
When KK were at the height of their powers, they used to always want Brian Gavin as ref as he let so much go.
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Post by legendz on May 9, 2022 13:13:56 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 11, 2022 20:36:14 GMT
Brilliant hurling match between Clare and Tipp about to go to penos on TG4
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Post by Mickmack on May 12, 2022 7:49:02 GMT
The health and safety standards have changed over the years....
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Post by glengael on May 12, 2022 9:49:52 GMT
Brilliant hurling match between Clare and Tipp about to go to penos on TG4 Needless pressure on young lads with that penalty lark. I still don't know why 1 penalty had to be retaken. The original was saved and the 2nd version scored, that surely must have had an impact on Clare team. Some have suggested that the goalkeeper was off his line, I couldn't see and in any case the line in that goalmouth seemed pretty much gone with wear & tear. Then I see other suggestions that the re-taken shot was taken from the incorrect place. Crazy. I don't know what the rush is with these games, this one deserved a replay. I may well be old fashioned but I think penalties have no place in the GAA. It's challenging for the multi-millionaires who take penalties in soccer, let alone for young lads who have to be back in secondary school today. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 12, 2022 10:00:38 GMT
Brilliant hurling match between Clare and Tipp about to go to penos on TG4 Needless pressure on young lads with that penalty lark. I still don't know why 1 penalty had to be retaken. The original was saved and the 2nd version scored, that surely must have had an impact on Clare team. Some have suggested that the goalkeeper was off his line, I couldn't see and in any case the line in that goalmouth seemed pretty much gone with wear & tear. Then I see other suggestions that the re-taken shot was taken from the incorrect place. Crazy. I don't know what the rush is with these games, this one deserved a replay. I may well be old fashioned but I think penalties have no place in the GAA. It's challenging for the multi-millionaires who take penalties in soccer, let alone for young lads who have to be back in secondary school today. Yes, retaking that penalty seemed ridiculous after a brilliant save. There a lot of technique employed in penalty taking and saving, and Tipp were clearly better in that facet. Whether it should decide the contest is another question. Maybe these lads are doing the leaving and there is a tight schedule. Maybe TV coverage dictates things. I saw the last 15 mins of normal time plus the extra time and it was great stuff. The equaliser by the Clare lad at the end of normal time was an exceptional effort. |
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Post by thehermit on May 12, 2022 10:23:43 GMT
Agree it is an appalling way to decide any GAA contest, can you imagine the spectacle of an All Ireland final being won or lost on having to retake a penalty as happened last night with Clare.
Surely even something like a free taking competition, with shots having to be attempted from various angles and distances, would be more in tune with the skills and traditions of Gaelic games?
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Post by givehimaball on May 12, 2022 14:43:18 GMT
Agree it is an appalling way to decide any GAA contest, can you imagine the spectacle of an All Ireland final being won or lost on having to retake a penalty as happened last night with Clare. Surely even something like a free taking competition, with shots having to be attempted from various angles and distances, would be more in tune with the skills and traditions of Gaelic games? For the All-Ireland football and hurling finals it goes first game=>extra-time=>second game=> extra-time => penalties, so I'd say the odds of it happening are fairly remote. There was a rule brought in a few years back that after a 2nd period of extra-time (10 minutes in total - 5 minutes a-side) it would come down to a free-taking competition (behind the 45 for football and the 65 for hurling) It was scrapped fairly quickly - I've no recollection of it happening in any game. The reason for it being scrapped for the football was that kicking from the 45 was too hard on the players. I would be very surprised if there are any changes to the penalty rule any time soon. |
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Post by thehermit on May 12, 2022 14:46:54 GMT
A lot more skill in free taking than in taking a penalty and surely a proper Gaelic games skill should decide things when it gets to that level of competitiveness between too teams.
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Post by givehimaball on May 12, 2022 14:53:35 GMT
A lot more skill in free taking than in taking a penalty and surely a proper Gaelic games skill should decide things when it gets to that level of competitiveness between too teams. That would echo my thoughts as well. I remember thinking at the time that it was an awful indictment on the state of the game that kicking a ball from 45 metres with no marker was deemed too hard for players by the powers that be. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 13, 2022 6:37:44 GMT
Liam Sheedy
We are hitting the death zone of the Munster and Leinster championships. Hopefully this weekend’s hurling will have us all gasping for air. Come Sunday evening things should have taken shape and there will be teams bouncing into training next Tuesday evening with Everest still in sight.
Clare’s trajectory is definitely upward. Two home games left and two impressive performances behind them, with spells of scintillating play. To deliver silverware, they will have to sustain their purple patches longer with the All-Ireland champions and league winners left to play. But Brian Lohan looks to be building something really solid.
Limerick are in the news but I don’t see that weighing them down for the climb ahead. As a management team they reacted swiftly and decisively this week. Distractions will happen in most groups but John Kiely has always spoken strongly about the need for a panel of players to mind each other and I’d expect them to focus on that now.
The crunch in Munster is in Walsh Park, with much at stake. Waterford should be fresh and ready for another push. The break since losing by three points to Limerick was timely. They have been formidable opponents under Liam Cahill, especially at home, and the prize for a victory is qualification and keeping alive their ambition to add a Munster trophy to their league victory.
Cork are labouring. They are an enigma that is hard to get a handle on. Full of talent and pace, they’ve qualified for the last two major finals but didn’t ignite on either day. And have struggled again in this championship.
Against Limerick at home there were glimpses of their potential at the start of both halves. But ultimately they were comprehensively beaten. In Thurles against Clare, the losing margin was flattering based on their overall performance.
Yet if they can eke out a win Sunday, it gives them a realistic chance of qualification and brings real meaning to the final round.
This is a final shot at redemption for Kieran Kingston and his men in this championship. So what Cork team needs to show up?
Pressure v freedom
Kieran spoke after the loss to Clare about outside voices. He felt his team potentially felt the pressure in the first 20 minutes on the back of some severe criticism since the defeat by Limerick.
I understood where he was coming from. Earlier in my managerial career, I read things and took them personally. I was scarred by articles and commentary.
The way out of that was surrounding myself with people who had real influence on my belief systems. I quickly realised I was wasting a lot of good energy.
I shifted to a mindset of backing myself through bringing a huge energy and work ethic to the role. If you know you've done all you can, that gets you to a ‘No Regrets’ position irrespective of the outcome.
Cork must replace pressure with freedom and at least come and express themselves fully inside the white lines this weekend. It is a question of circling the wagons within the group as opposed to carrying excess baggage from outside.
The reality is it should make no difference what the outside world thinks but sometimes you can use it as fuel in terms of creating a ‘them against us’ mentality.
We consciously decided to block out 90% of what was written about us. They don’t know us, was the mantra. But at the same time, we regularly tapped into critical articles from people we felt should have known better.
I filled walls over the years with pieces that took a lesser view of our team and there is no doubt we drew fuel from it on many occasions.
A time for leaders
The reality is that you can only turn a bad situation around with strong leadership throughout the field. In Cork’s two matches the only player I would call out as really leading is Sean O’Donoghue. He has always looked to impact the game and push forward.
Guys Like Tim O’Mahony, Darragh Fitzgibbon and Seamus Harnedy must stand up and be counted on Sunday. Cork have no shortage of pace and young talent to follow them.
Roll back to March 22, 2009 and the hammering Tipperary got in Nowlan Park from Kilkenny. I still remember the standing ovation their supporters gave them as we traipsed down the tunnel at half-time. ‘Keep going, the bus is running!” was one piece of advice.
5-9 to 4 points — 20 points down told its own story.
We won the second half (small wins) and went on to lose 5-17 to 1-12.
Roll it on 40 days and we meet again in the league final, one of the best games I’ve been involved in. We lost again, 4-17 to 2-26 after extra time, but the transformation was extraordinary, just a month after a complete collapse against the same opponents.
That was down to on-field leadership. Paudie Maher plucking balls out of the sky over Henry Shefflin, Seamie Callanan driving Brian Hogan back with a shoulder, Larry Corbett taking the game to them. All triggers that drove on a seriously driven group. Older guys standing up and younger lads coming of age. A defeat but one that served as a catalyst for victories that followed.
Now is the time for this group of Cork players to stand tall. Do they have the leaders to make that happen?
Lose v learn
They say in life that you don’t lose you learn. Cork got plenty of educational material in the league final when they coughed up 4-20 and allowed Waterford in on goal way too easily.
The three things that they have got to sort are:
1. The puckouts: they allowed Waterford build momentum uncontested.
2. Their collective defending: They must make themselves more difficult to break down and have to protect their goal.
3. Nail the match-ups: Someone will have to close down Stephen Bennett, who scored 2-11 the last day with 2-2 from play. I would put Ger Millerick on the job but whoever does it will need to give it special care.
Waterford are raging hot favourites, their form has been strong and they have turned Walsh Park into a formidable home venue.
Yet in some ways this gives Cork a free shot and that can sometimes release the pressure that builds up around a team. We saw that with Tipp last week.
This is still the Cork team that qualified for the All-Ireland final last year. It’s still the team that put 2-13 past Limerick in 35 minutes at the end of February and only conceded five points in that time.
So while everything points to a Waterford victory and clarity around qualification come Sunday evening, I really expect the Rebels to bring the fight. If they do it should make for a hugely entertaining contest.
Across in Leinster, all eyes will be on the Dublin v Kilkenny clash at Parnell Park.
Dublin have put themselves in a really strong position with a win in Wexford. But their form has not been good against the Cats and you have to go back to 2013 for their last meaningful victory against them, after a replay.
They had them in their sights going down the home straight in the last round-robin game in 2018. Leading by five points with five minutes remaining they were beaten by two after Liam Blanchfield’s 71st-minute goal.
The league encounter in March resulted in a 13-point victory for Kilkenny so you would expect Mattie Kenny to have the Dubs well focussed for what is coming at them.
This is a chance to really lay down a marker and march on to a Leinster final while leaving Kilkenny and Wexford fighting out the final spot.
I expect they will be met with stern resistance from an incredibly hard-working Kilkenny team so Dublin will need to bring their best performance to date in Championship to get across the line. Parnell Park should be rocking with sparks flying inside the white lines.
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2022 7:58:09 GMT
May 14 2022 09:37 PM
Westmeath have caused a sensation in the Leinster hurling championship as this draw with Wexford looks like it will cost the Slaneysiders a place in the All-Ireland series.
There was a highly dramatic finish to a game that looked like it was going to peter out into an unconvincing win for Wexford.
In the fifth minute of stoppage time, veteran Westmeath substitute Derek McNicholas got the vital touch after Wexford netminder Mark Fanning was unable to deal with a delivery into the goalmouth from another sub, Kevin Regan.
It was the second soft goal Wexford conceded in the game and combined with their wasteful shooting, it leaves their championship hopes hanging by a thread.
Wexford registered 14 wides in the second half and a total of 21 as a combination of poor finishing and questionable shot selection came back to haunt them.
With Wexford having already lost to Dublin and drawn with Galway, they really needed to win this game.
From Westmeath’s point of view, this famous result is a major shot in the arm ahead of their upcoming clash with Laois which will decide who holds on to Liam MacCarthy Cup status.
On a glorious sunny evening in Mullingar, Westmeath caused Wexford plenty of problems in the first half, with the visitors leading by the bare minimum at half-time (0-12 to 1-8).
Westmeath generally opted to go short with their puck-outs in the first half, often looking for the returning Aonghus Clarke to set up attacks by spraying diagonal passes forward.
Wexford were more effective at curbing this tactic in the second half, but Darragh Egan’s charges were still unable to see the game out in the pressure cooker closing stages.
Westmeath’s first-half goal was highly fortuitous as Niall Mitchell’s speculative long-range point attempt was spilled by Wexford goalie Mark Fanning and the ball dropped into the net. That 24th-minute score lifted the Westmeath players and fans alike and a number of mini-battles started to go their way.
Lee Chin was showing the way from general play for a rattled Wexford side in the opening half, scoring five points (four frees). However, Chin had a number of uncharacteristic misses from placed balls. Rory O’Connor also looked dangerous but the supply of ball to the St Martin’s attacker was patchy to say the least.
Westmeath were reduced to 14 men with four minutes of normal time remaining, after Davy Glennon was shown a second yellow card.
Yet, the visitors were unable to close out the game and WEestmeath struck late for a dramatic draw.
Scorers - Westmeath: K Doyle 0-11 (9 frees, 1 65); N Mitchell and D McNicholas 1-0 each; A Craig, N O’Brien, D Glennon and K Regan 0-1 each. Wexford: L Chin 0-9 (7 frees); R O’Connor, C McDonald, O Foley, L Óg McGovern and S Donohoe 0-2 each; P Morris and C Hearne 0-1 each.
Wexford: M Fanning; S Donohoe, L Ryan, C Devitt; M O’Hanlon, D Reck, P Foley; D O’Keeffe, L Óg McGovern; J O’Connor, Oisín Foley, Lee Chin; Paul Morris, Conor McDonald, R O’Connor. Subs: K Foley for O’Keeffe (29 mins); C McGuckian for Morris (50); C Flood for J O’Connor (54); M Dwyer for O Foley (62); C Hearne for Ryan (inj., 67).
Westmeath: N Conaty; J Bermingham, T Doyle, D Egerton; R Greville, A Clarke, A Craig; C Boyle, S McGovern; D Glennon, J Boyle, N O’Brien; N Mitchell, E Keyes, K Doyle. Subs: K Regan for C Boyle (49 mins); O McCabe for Keyes (50); D McNicholas for J Boyle (67); D Clinton for O’Brien (70); J Gillen for Mitchell (73).
Referee: S Hynes (Galway).
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2022 14:56:02 GMT
So Cork keep the round robin alive by beating a Waterford team that brought no energy to the fray.
Anthony Gleesons two silly yellows put the tin hat on it.
A few marvellous overhead catches ignited Cork and they grew in confidence. Cork play Tipp in the final game but Tipp have nothing to lose so Cork should end on 4 points.
If Limerick beat Clare then Clare v Waterford in Ennis next week will be massive.
I saw the second half KK v Dublin last night without sound and i was shocked at the lack of fight by Dublin.
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