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Post by jackiel on Nov 21, 2020 23:24:11 GMT
The Meath camp and supporters were quite Gung Ho going into tonight's match. I've a friend involved who actually complained that they wouldn't be able to bring the cup home with them. The expectation had grown with them scoring 7 goals in their last 2 matches but that was Wicklow & Kildare. Dublin are a completely different kettle of fish. I expected Dublin to beat them but hadn't envisaged a complete capitulation. Dulbin are at a disadvantage in some ways as they have not beaten any team of consequence and could be caught cold in a semi final a la 2014.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 23:47:48 GMT
Meath were a disgrace tonight, their goals against Kildare glossed over a poor performance otherwise.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 22, 2020 10:02:49 GMT
Meath were unfortunate that the finest night of the winter coincided with the Leinster final. Cork got the rub of the green on that count a few weeks ago but no such luck for Meath.
Dublin looked fantastic but I wonder how they would react to Donegal if the elements rescued the playing field a bit. Would they have the heart for it?
The forward mark rule again was shown up as a total farce last night. Paddy Small took 3 in the first half, one not far inside the 45 from a pass that barely travelled 15m.
Nice to see Cormac Costelloe get a straight red too. But it shows an anomoly in the rules when verbally abusing a linesman gets you a red but choking somebody on the ground for 10 seconds is only a yellow.
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Post by thebluepanther on Nov 22, 2020 11:23:29 GMT
Meath were a disgrace tonight, their goals against Kildare glossed over a poor performance otherwise. In truth no team knows at what pitch they are at until the heat of battle ,I think disgrace is a strong word. The leagues this year after Covid hit changed the dynamic for a lot of teams and possibly gave false sense of where teams were at. No Inter county team goes out to lose . As an example Kerry for the first time were going into a game this year where if they lost would have an early exit out of the championship , because of this it seems the fear of losing to Peter Keane was stronger than realising that Kerry have the players with the ability to easily beat Cork if they were taking of the lease and they really should of just went for it. But i guess hindsight is a great thing .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 12:01:09 GMT
Disgrace is perhaps too strong given the disparity in resources and gaa support that exists between the two sides.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 22, 2020 17:53:09 GMT
Cavan winning is a bigger shock than Tipp winning in my opinion.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 17:54:28 GMT
Fantastic win for Cavan.
Fully deserved on the day.
That black card for shove was a very poor call.
It would be a great championship if it werent for Dublin.
The least they should do in play the semi final above in Cavan
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 17:57:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2020 18:00:09 GMT
Cavan winning is a bigger shock than Tipp winning in my opinion. That is hardly a controversial statement
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 18:02:34 GMT
Mickey Graham is such an charismatic man. He did it with Mullinachta too.
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Post by Donegalshannonranger on Nov 22, 2020 18:13:44 GMT
What poor display from us. Bonner got the team wrong and big errors with substitutions,O'Donnell and Jamie Brennan should have gone. Not starting Thomson also a mistake. Cavan super champions.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 18:21:52 GMT
Big decision looming for the GAA....will Joe ref the Cavan v Dublin semi final🤔
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Post by Sam kerry on Nov 22, 2020 19:01:10 GMT
Well done to Cavan and Tipperary today... Same four teams left as was in 1920.
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Post by Galway breeze on Nov 22, 2020 19:21:31 GMT
It’s amazing how many posters have come out of the long grass to have a crack at PK and promote their own. Eamon Fitzmaurice only achieved 1 All Ireland and got six years at the helm. Their are a lot of new players coming in to the panel and PK will need time to develop them. What has Quirke and Sugrue in merit to be seen as better managers then Pk? Anyway Sam to come to Connaught even do not to Galway.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 19:33:58 GMT
It’s amazing how many posters have come out of the long grass to have a crack at PK and promote their own. Eamon Fitzmaurice only achieved 1 All Ireland and got six years at the helm. Their are a lot of new players coming in to the panel and PK will need time to develop them. What has Quirke and Sugrue in merit to be seen as better managers then Pk? Anyway Sam to come to Connaught even do not to Galway. What has Peter Keane done to keep his job? He has resided over one of our worst, if not our worst, championship performances in living memory. More or less third to 2 division 3 teams
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 22, 2020 19:56:16 GMT
It’s amazing how many posters have come out of the long grass to have a crack at PK and promote their own. Eamon Fitzmaurice only achieved 1 All Ireland and got six years at the helm. Their are a lot of new players coming in to the panel and PK will need time to develop them. What has Quirke and Sugrue in merit to be seen as better managers then Pk? Anyway Sam to come to Connaught even do not to Galway. What has Peter Keane done to keep his job? He has resided over one of our worst, if not our worst, championship performances in living memory. More or less third to 2 division 3 teams You can portray it as our worst championship performance in living memory but for me that was the horrible day we lost to Meath (2001) when we were the reigning champions - we produced the most dismal and inept performances of any Kerry side I have seen in fifty years. In 2020 we lost a game to Cork in a "traditional" year where there is no back door - the expectation and anticipation of ending the Dublin dominance has made this loss hard to take but the embarrassment of 2001 would still rank worse for me.
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2020 19:59:33 GMT
It’s amazing how many posters have come out of the long grass to have a crack at PK and promote their own. Eamon Fitzmaurice only achieved 1 All Ireland and got six years at the helm. Their are a lot of new players coming in to the panel and PK will need time to develop them. What has Quirke and Sugrue in merit to be seen as better managers then Pk? Anyway Sam to come to Connaught even do not to Galway. What has Peter Keane done to keep his job? He has resided over one of our worst, if not our worst, championship performances in living memory. More or less third to 2 division 3 teams Seriously? How long have you been following Kerry?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 20:07:24 GMT
What has Peter Keane done to keep his job? He has resided over one of our worst, if not our worst, championship performances in living memory. More or less third to 2 division 3 teams Seriously? How long have you been following Kerry? I can remember Kerry games from over 30 years ago so around then We at best finished 3rd to 2 division 3 teams- an absolute embarrassment. Meath, Tyrone, Clare were bad days but overly this is our wurst championship season in relative terms that I can remember. Someone referenced Meath above & that was a horrendous day but at least that Meath team were good, Cork are crap & still beat us
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 20:09:09 GMT
What has Peter Keane done to keep his job? He has resided over one of our worst, if not our worst, championship performances in living memory. More or less third to 2 division 3 teams You can portray it as our worst championship performance in living memory but for me that was the horrible day we lost to Meath (2001) when we were the reigning champions - we produced the most dismal and inept performances of any Kerry side I have seen in fifty years. In 2020 we lost a game to Cork in a "traditional" year where there is no back door - the expectation and anticipation of ending the Dublin dominance has made this loss hard to take but the embarrassment of 2001 would still rank worse for me. That was a good Meath team, this is a division 3 Cork team.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 20:18:15 GMT
Powter was a huge loss today.
At the end of the day Cork are happy just to beat Kerry.
They never had much ambition to go all the way. Tompkins in his time changed the mindset a bit and a few others like Canty wanted to go all the way but for too many beating Kerry was the only thing.
I hope Tipp can keep focus now. Their captain is a man that could lead any team. They have some great footballers and i just hope that they keep their feet on the ground.
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2020 20:36:58 GMT
Seriously? How long have you been following Kerry? I can remember Kerry games from over 30 years ago so around then We at best finished 3rd to 2 division 3 teams- an absolute embarrassment. Meath, Tyrone, Clare were bad days but overly this is our wurst championship season in relative terms that I can remember. Someone referenced Meath above & that was a horrendous day but at least that Meath team were good, Cork are crap & still beat us I will leave out Meath and Tyrone. The replay against mayo in 17 was an awful performance. Down in the 2010 quarter final was really poor against an average team. 99 against cork when we only scored 2-4. 1990 beaten by 15 points by cork. Do you really think this year was worse than that?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 22, 2020 20:57:14 GMT
I can remember Kerry games from over 30 years ago so around then We at best finished 3rd to 2 division 3 teams- an absolute embarrassment. Meath, Tyrone, Clare were bad days but overly this is our wurst championship season in relative terms that I can remember. Someone referenced Meath above & that was a horrendous day but at least that Meath team were good, Cork are crap & still beat us I will leave out Meath and Tyrone. The replay against mayo in 17 was an awful performance. Down in the 2010 quarter final was really poor against an average team. 99 against cork when we only scored 2-4. 1990 beaten by 15 points by cork. Do you really think this year was worse than that? Yes, those years had some good performances, we had one championship match this year against a division 3 team and we were absolutely woeful & to make things worse they were then well beaten by a poor Tipp team. Bottom of the barrel stuff.
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 22, 2020 21:04:08 GMT
The Meath camp and supporters were quite Gung Ho going into tonight's match. I've a friend involved who actually complained that they wouldn't be able to bring the cup home with them. The expectation had grown with them scoring 7 goals in their last 2 matches but that was Wicklow & Kildare. Dublin are a completely different kettle of fish. I expected Dublin to beat them but hadn't envisaged a complete capitulation. Dulbin are at a disadvantage in some ways as they have not beaten any team of consequence and could be caught cold in a semi final a la 2014. I thought and hoped that Meath might put up a better fight. The problem with your line of reasoning is something that I have always instilled in players that I coach. There are 2 columns in the scoreboard. 1 for goals and 1 for points. Generally goals come from once off situations. Points are a much more accurate reflection of the difference between the 2 teams. At the end of the game against Kildare, Meath had 9 points. 4 in the first half and 5 in the second half. This against a team that failed to get promotion. Not within an ass's roar of success against a team like Dublin. I don't want to be in any way disrespectful but the rest of the country must realise that it is now 31 counties versus another professional county.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 22, 2020 21:16:57 GMT
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Post by clarinman on Nov 22, 2020 21:30:49 GMT
I will leave out Meath and Tyrone. The replay against mayo in 17 was an awful performance. Down in the 2010 quarter final was really poor against an average team. 99 against cork when we only scored 2-4. 1990 beaten by 15 points by cork. Do you really think this year was worse than that? Yes, those years had some good performances, we had one championship match this year against a division 3 team and we were absolutely woeful & to make things worse they were then well beaten by a poor Tipp team. Bottom of the barrel stuff. My first Cork game was 74 in Killarney. For me the worst by far was Pairc UI Chaoimh in 1990. That was a really good cork team but we were destroyed. Being beaten by a last minute goal in a monsoon is not the same for me. It's a strange year. We are not the only good team to get caught out this year.
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Post by Donegalshannonranger on Nov 22, 2020 23:07:35 GMT
I am calling for Declan Bonner's head. That won't happen. Declan is very highly thought about in Donegal. We know our standing in the bigger picture. We have 10 Ulster titles, one NFL and two All Irelands,we only got our first Ulster title in 1972. Imagine how Limerick feel tonight missing a last minute free against Tipperary, it could have been them. Now Ulster, Connacht and Munster are competitive, the GAA must act in Leinster. I wonder does Sean Kelly regret setting up the task force that enabled Dublin to get so strong.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 22, 2020 23:11:44 GMT
I am calling for Declan Bonner's head. That won't happen. Declan is very highly thought about in Donegal. We know our standing in the bigger picture. We have 10 Ulster titles, one NFL and two All Irelands,we only got our first Ulster title in 1972. Imagine how Limerick feel tonight missing a last minute free against Tipperary, it could have been them. Now Ulster, Connacht and Munster are competitive, the GAA must act in Leinster. I wonder does Sean Kelly regret setting up the task force that enabled Dublin to get so strong. That was a stupid glib comment of mine which was deleted before you finished typing. I don't think Limerick could have beaten Cork and maybe one swallow doesn't make a summer when it comes to the competitiveness of Munster.
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Post by Donegalshannonranger on Nov 23, 2020 7:49:23 GMT
That won't happen. Declan is very highly thought about in Donegal. We know our standing in the bigger picture. We have 10 Ulster titles, one NFL and two All Irelands,we only got our first Ulster title in 1972. Imagine how Limerick feel tonight missing a last minute free against Tipperary, it could have been them. Now Ulster, Connacht and Munster are competitive, the GAA must act in Leinster. I wonder does Sean Kelly regret setting up the task force that enabled Dublin to get so strong. That was a stupid glib comment of mine which was deleted before you finished typing. I don't think Limerick could have beaten Cork and maybe one swallow doesn't make a summer when it comes to the competitiveness of Munster. That is sound of you,thanks, we wouldn't begrudge Cavan that win, they're a dead on crew.
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Post by baurtregaum on Nov 23, 2020 10:59:04 GMT
Alot of talk, rightly so, of Michael Hogan and the Men of 1920. I was delighted for Tip, it was one of those great championship days.
Yesterday, 68 years ago John Joe O'Reilly passed away at the very young age of 33. It was fitting that Cavan win. They are a sleeping giant of Ulster football.
A very interesting, colourful championship we have had so far, but the conclusion will be all too predictable I'm afraid.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 23, 2020 11:08:50 GMT
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MON, 23 NOV, 2020 - 07:05 ÉAMONN FITZMAURICE
While the consensus was that Cork were going to win yesterday’s Munster Final in Páirc Uí Chaoimh, Tipperary have been building towards this achievement for some time.
In my time in charge we played them in the Munster Championship on three occasions, including the final in 2016. We always treated them with the utmost of respect. We knew the quality of player that they had throughout the field and knew if we were off it that our fate would have been the same as Cork’s.
When we won the games, as expected by the outside world, within the group we always understood the level of performance that we had produced to win. In our preparation and mental approach, we treated Tipperary the same as if we were playing Dublin. I’m not sure that Cork can say the same this morning.
Tipperary were full value for their win, were the better team throughout, and clearly showed their intent from the off racing into a three-point lead. Those opening passages of play set the tone for the match. Cork only led the game once, in the 16th minute. Tipperary had leaders all over the field.
Evan Comerford showed good composure late in the game when he successfully went short with a few kickouts when they badly needed to get hands on the ball and he kicked two crucial 45s in the second half. Jimmy Feehan was solid at full-back, Kevin Fahey was abrasive and aggressive at 6, Liam Casey and the returning Colin O’Riordan were immense in the middle of the field and Brian Fox, Conor Sweeney and Michael Quinlivan were all outstanding up front.
When Tipperary had the ball they moved it at pace and mixed their running and kicking game well. Without the ball they worked ferociously hard and never allowed Cork to settle into any kind of a rhythm.
Huge credit to David Power and his management team. For an outsider to achieve a big result on the big day nearly everything has to be right. I was particularly impressed with the wall they constructed across their half-back line when they didn’t have the ball. Brian Fox and Conal Kennedy augmented the six backs and really disrupted Cork in this area of the field.
They realised that Cork were going to try and punch holes with runners here but they targeted that area and made sure Cork weren’t allowed to do so. They forced turnover after turnover and broke at pace into the space at the other side of the field.
In the first half alone, Cork had eight of their 12 turnovers in that offensive area. Seán Powter was a loss to Cork in this regard but other players that did attack well in the league and against Kerry seemed to be stuck in gear yesterday. I also thought Power timed his substitutions brilliantly.
The type of game that Tipp were playing required huge fitness levels and energy as they moved up and down the field as a unit. Robbie Kiely, Brian Fox and Kevin Fahey were all replaced when they started to flag even though all of them were still playing well. Power understood the value of legs late on and was willing to trust his squad players to finish the job.
The victorious management team also deserve credit for having the courage to select O’Riordan from the start and he performed outstandingly. He kept it simple by moving the ball on and his kicking was crisp and accurate. He effortlessly worked up and down the field but most significantly he won a couple of huge kickouts at the end to take pressure off the Tipperary rearguard.
Having won a minor All-Ireland back in 2011, Power has now topped that with a Munster Championship victory a first for Tipp in 85 years, and he can look forward to having a cut off Mayo in the All-Ireland semi-final in a fortnight.
This is a significant loss for Cork. It was a massive opportunity for them to progress but instead they have gone in the other direction. For the younger players, it is a hard learning experience, and will stand to them in the future, but for some of the more senior players it is a hammer blow. Luke Connolly was firing and was a major loss at half-time but too many of the other Cork players were stuck to the ground and made poor decisions.
I was shocked at their body language during the water break in the second half. They were three points down but Tipperary were starting to tire. This is where real leaders emerge and where the best teams get the job done regardless of the circumstances. Other than Ian Maguire, Cork lacked in this regard. I wrote on Saturday about the challenge they faced playing as the favourite as opposed to coming into the semi-final as underdogs. They played like a team that believed the hype since the Kerry game. In terms of the metrics that they could improve on from the Kerry game, I mentioned that they would look at their conversion rate and their own kickout. Neither improved with both remaining roughly the same.
Most damagingly from their perspective, their voracious appetite for hard work seen in the semi-final was simply not evident yesterday.
They stagnated and paid the ultimate price.
Cavan’s rollercoaster takes a glorious turn
What a journey Cavan have been on since the resumption of action in October.
They were relegated to Division 3 but bounced back the following weekend beating Monaghan in that extra-time thriller. They have gone on a roll since and have won some great battles, particularly last week against Down, coming back from 10 points down and again this week against a very fancied Donegal team, to win a first Ulster title since 1997.
They have clearly built a fantastic team spirit. Cavan played with ferocious intensity, throwing themselves into every contest and challenging for absolutely everything. Thomas Galligan epitomised this more than anyone but they had huge performances from many players including Gearóid McKiernan, Gerard Smith, Martin Reilly and Ciarán Brady.
They deserved their win and I would argue that but for Barry Cassidy’s refereeing performance they would have won far more comfortably. Neither Cavan black card should have been awarded and plenty of the other little decisions went against them. While Cillian Brady was off on his first-half black card Donegal scored seven points to Cavan’s one. That is some differential in a low-scoring game.
Donegal played well in patches but again seemed to struggle with the favourites’ tag. They couldn’t match Cavan’s ferocity and absolute raw hunger for an Ulster title. It was highlighted once again that as the air gets thinner and the competition tougher any weakness in a player’s game will be exposed.
Shaun Patton is an excellent keeper but as I have mentioned before he is uncomfortable under a high ball. He got away with an earlier punch but the game-breaking goal came from his reluctance to catch a high ball and Conor Madden pounced and finished.
Cavan now get a shot to nothing against Dublin. If they can get close enough to them they will certainly make them earn their victory if nothing else.
Dublin kill Meath challenge before it can materialise
A couple of things stood out for me Saturday evening as Dublin pummelled Meath in the Leinster final.
Firstly, their first-half performance was phenomenal. The statistics jump off the page and confirm what our eyes had witnessed — 2-8 of their 2-12 from play while conceding a paltry two points, 23 attacks which resulted in an incredible 22 shots, 100% on their own kickout, 42% on the Meath kickout, all six forwards scored from play and they led by 16 at the break.
Dublin do the simple things so well that it punctures the opposition’s spirit early. An underdog wants to force mistakes and hang on in the game as long as possible. Dublin don’t make mistakes and kill the challenge before it can materialise.
Secondly they defended with tenacity and discipline. Early in the game, Meath had a couple of half-chances and it looked as if they overplayed their hand. I view that differently. Dublin defended the situations so well in terms of their collective positioning, decision-making and discipline that they ensured a half-chance remained just that. Jonny Cooper was again central to this and he was missed in the second half. He is critical to them and Dublin will hope that his impact injury isn’t serious.
Scarily for Cavan and Mayo or Tipperary, Dublin won’t have been happy with the second half, which at times was uncharacteristically sloppy. Dessie Farrell will have plenty of ammo for his video review which will keep everyone on their toes for the next fortnight in the lead into the semi-final.
Dublin are in the eye of a perfect storm, as an incredible group of players that are well managed and well resourced deliver consistent performances. To beat them, teams have to match their football and athleticism, but what makes them different is the culture of their group.
Think of how far this Dublin group have come in the last 12 years. Bernard Brogan speaks about the early days of his career when the priority was to have a fridge full of WKD Blue for the post-match ‘celebrations’. Bit by bit, a culture of high performance coupled with humility has been built.
As Stephen Cluxton led his group over to the corner between Hill 16 and the Cusack Stand where Michael Hogan was shot 100 years ago, I shook my head to myself in admiration. The gesture was poignant, appropriate and classy. These values that shape their identity make Dublin so good and is why, even when they are below par, as they were in last year’s drawn All-Ireland, they can still salvage something out of it.
Add their physical and football prowess to this and it makes their dominance easier to understand. Matching it is another matter entirely though.
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