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Post by Mickmack on Oct 14, 2020 18:52:53 GMT
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October 14 2020 02:30 AM
In a year without rhyme or reason, a famous poet's home village might seem an incongruous place for a return to some semblance of normality, but so it is for the GAA.
Patrick Kavanagh, never an enthusiastic fan of rules and regulations, probably wouldn't have taken kindly to not being allowed into his local ground in Inniskeen for one of the early starts in the resumed Allianz Football League when Monaghan host Kerry this Saturday (2.0).
It's not exactly what Monaghan supporters want either, no more than fans from other counties, whose desire to back their teams in person will have to wait. For how long, nobody has a clue.
It's only a short time since strong arguments were being put forward as to why there should be an easing of the attendance restrictions at sports events - now there's relief that games are going ahead at all.
Whether they continue through the increasing turbulence is very uncertain so, for now, let's just enjoy them on mainstream TV and GAAGO.
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It's important to do that. No inter-county action since March has shown how much it's missed, not just for the enjoyment of the actual games themselves but also for the sense of place, camaraderie and identity they engender among people and communities. The importance of all three cannot be overstated.
It has never been officially proven, presumably because it's not a study scientific minds would care to undertake, but there has always been a belief that productivity (well, after a few days anyway) and well-being improves in counties that enjoy success.
After the grimness of the last seven months, the return of the inter-county game will lift spirits at a time when it's so badly needed. And, with any luck, it will continue right up to the week before Christmas when the All-Ireland football final is played.
There's an alternate and dismally bleak view that the GAA should have decided a long way back to write off the 2020 season. Declare the football league, which still has two rounds to go, null and void and scrap the championship altogether.
That's based on the argument that the tight scheduling over the next two months will almost certainly prove unworkable, either due to Covid and/or bad weather, in which case the GAA could be left with a half-completed championship.
That, in turn, would require taking it into next year, with all the accompanying fixture issues, or abandoning it altogether.
The naysayers could, of course, be proven right on the tight scheduling, but so what? For sanity's sake, the GAA had to take a chance on relaunching the season.
Declaring a closedown of the inter-county game months ago would have been defeatist and depressing, which is the last thing the country needs in this of all years.
Mind you, it hasn't taken long for the normal complaining services to restart. You might think that amid all the crazy circumstances prevailing this year making the best of things would get a run out.
But no, it's back on the bench, losing out to a growing list of whines, some ridiculously trivial. County finals postponed because of a failure to respect Covid regulations? That, apparently, was hasty and unfair on clubs and communities who were being punished for the sins of others. Sadly, fairness doesn't come into the equation in the midst of a major crisis, the likes of which the country has never experienced before.
The problem was that if the GAA hadn't acted, there's every chance the Government would. Quite possibly, there would have been no inter-county return.
There are other complaints too. Players are arguing that introducing yellow-coloured sliotars in the championship is unfair as they haven't had a chance to get used to them.
There are objections too - mostly from footballers - to using penalty shoot-outs as tie-breakers in games that finish level after extra-time.
They claim it's putting unfair pressure on kickers. 'First score wins' has been put forward as an alternative, even if it's an even bigger lottery. And a not particularly appealing one at that.
Ladies football and camogie are having their issues too over fixture clashes for dual players. It has even led to threats of strikes in Cork. Now when did we see that before? Is there something in the water on Leeside?
One genuine concern has emerged over the venues for NFL games, with the GAA insisting that the 'home' and 'away' rota must continue for the final two rounds "to protect the integrity of the competition."
Some counties suggested using neutral venues to cut down on travelling and to make overnight stays unnecessary. They have a point.
In the current climate, it would have been prudent to play games between counties who are more than 100 miles apart at neutral venues.
Still, let's be thankful that games are being played anywhere. And while complaining appears to be hardwired into the system nowadays, could it be sidelined at least until the plague clears? Or is that too much to ask?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 14, 2020 18:54:47 GMT
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October 14 2020 02:30 AM
Kieran Donaghy has backed Paudie Clifford to force his way into the Kerry side this year.
Added to the squad for the 2020 season after some brilliant displays for East Kerry as they swept to last year's Kerry SFC title, Clifford has been forced to bide his time to impress manager Peter Keane as the county season was put into hibernation.
But with Kerry back in action this Saturday when they travel to Inniskeen to play Monaghan, Donaghy reckons Clifford could play a significant part along side his brother and captain David as Kerry set off in pursuit of Sam once more.
"I think he has got an edge about him," Donaghy said. "He is not everyone's cup of tea, but he gets in people's faces. I love that obviously. I think Kerry need that. And I think he's got a good link with his brother. There's a serious understanding there.
"I played with the three Ó Sés and you could see their understanding of each other, out on the pitch, where they'd be."
And he believes that should Paudie Clifford be drafted into the attack, it could see Seánie O'Shea shift to midfield.
"Seánie, if we can get him out to the middle of the field, because he is after getting stronger, he is after getting faster, he is in serious shape, his kicking ability is obviously undoubted - and I think he can give Kerry a real passing platform.
"David Moran is obviously a fantastic passer from the middle of the field, but I think Jack (Barry) and Diarmuid (O'Connor) have a bit to go on that regard.
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× "Picking out the hard pass. I think they see the hard pass, but I don't know if they are backing their ability to make that kick. I think with Seánie, and David in the middle of the field, I think your forwards could make any run you want and the boys would have a good chance of playing the perfect ball into you, and I think forwards live off that.
"I think Paudie could get in there at either wing-forward, or if they move Seánie to the middle of the field, you could definitely play him on the 40 yards.
"He is a bit like Declan O'Sullivan, he is low to the ground, he is as fast with the ball as he is without the ball. And you know I think Kerry needs a bit of the fire that's in that man's belly, and I think that could be infectious to the group. Obviously you have to control that emotion.
"It would be a much higher pressure situation than he ever faced before, but I'd like to give him the opportunity to do so."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 19:13:59 GMT
I could be wrong on this but I think Paudie Clifford is well down the pecking order from a management perspective and will do well to get much game time.
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Post by dc84 on Oct 14, 2020 19:38:56 GMT
There is definitely an opening in the half forward line judging from last year. You could also deploy o Shea in the Geaney role from last year leaving paul inside (or on the bench depending). From what i have seen of him the last 2 years at least he cant be too far away would only have the 2 kenmare lads ahead of him.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 14, 2020 20:11:05 GMT
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NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION Kerry players to drive individually to Monaghan
Kingdom board chairman Tim Murphy says overnight is a 'must' for player safety Kerry players to drive individually to Monaghan
Tim Murphy, Kerry GAA chairman: 'We just feel, in the current climate, it is the most prudent thing to do'
WED, 14 OCT, 2020 - 20:05 EOGHAN CORMICAN The Kerry footballers will drive, individually, to and from Inniskeen for Saturday’s Division 1 League game against Monaghan.
Kerry are permitted to travel by bus to the game, but the county board executive and Peter Keane’s management team have decided players will travel separately for the eight-hour round trip.
Kerry players have travelled separately to training since the Kingdom regrouped on September 16 and it was against this backdrop that manager Peter Keane last week questioned how sensible it would be, from a health point of view, to pack his players onto a bus for the lengthy journey to and from Monaghan.
Kerry will overnight on Friday and embark on the return leg after Saturday’s 2pm fixture.
Kerry chairman Tim Murphy said their preference was for a neutral venue within “driving distance” of Kerry.
“Everybody is going to travel individually because we just feel, in the current climate, it is the most prudent thing to do and to make sure our players are protected to the absolute maximum,” Murphy told the Irish Examiner today.
“The overnight is a must, given it is a 2pm throw-in. It would be too much to ask the players to drive on the day of the game, what you’d have then is the players driving up Saturday morning, they’d play the game and drive home afterwards.
“We can obviously take a bus. There are no prohibitions on going on a bus.
But a bus journey to Monaghan is probably a five-hour trip. We feel driving individually is giving our players the best possible chance of staying healthy. I know there is no exact science about that, but we discussed it at length and we feel this is the best approach.
“Obviously, two members of the same family, such as the Clifford brothers, can travel together. Other than that, it will be singles.”
Away from the logistics of safely ferrying an inter-county panel 380km up the road this weekend, Kerry manager Keane believes it will be unfair if a county is forced to step out of the All-Ireland championship because they are not able to fulfil a fixture owing to Covid-19 having infiltrated the panel. He kept shtum, however, on whether he had a preference for the championship spilling into 2021.
“Is it unfair if a team has to go out? Sure, of course it is. [But] I don’t know an answer. They seem to have set in stone an All-Ireland final on December 19. If they are working to that, there are only so many weekends in between.”
Keane said his players are being as cautious as they can be, but there is an “inevitability”, he added, that the virus will enter a panellist or management member's workplace.
“It is in the community. Touch wood, we are okay at the moment. There is an inevitability that this is going to happen at some point, somewhere, whether it is your own workplace, a school, a working environment. It is around the corner.
“There is a lot of stuff coming out of college environments, from what we are all hearing. Some of those guys are in college. All they can be is as careful as they possibly can. It is not something that you tar somebody because they contracted this. It is in the community.”
Cork football manager Ronan McCarthy is of the view home fixtures pose greater challenges than away days in the current climate. Cork entertain Louth at Páirc Uí Chaoimh this Saturday.
“I’d say the away game is easier. This weekend, even if you meet three hours beforehand, which you are allowed to do, what do you do after the players have had their food? They can’t gather, they can’t really congregate. What do you do in that period of time between 1.20pm and getting down to the Páirc ahead of a 4pm throw-in," McCarthy remarked.
“The only advantage for the Longford away game is we are over the distance set out by Croke Park so we are allowed overnight. But you then have to make logistical decisions around travel, do you travel in a bus or do you let players travel themselves.
"Every aspect of your preparation you took as normal over a long number of years, you are kinda stopping now and saying, ‘what is the best way to work this’.”
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Post by john4 on Oct 14, 2020 20:21:15 GMT
Jack Sherwood is after another fantastic county championship, I'd have him full back. I think Tadhg Morely struggled last year, very out of his depth in the Dublin matches, he'll find it hard to get a starting jersey this year imo. Paudie Clifford is looking for a spot on the team where we thankfully aren't short of capable fellas. Worth trying him to see how he goes.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 14, 2020 20:38:41 GMT
I could be wrong on this but I think Paudie Clifford is well down the pecking order from a management perspective and will do well to get much game time. And rightly so to be honest, I think Paudi is getting a bit too much bigging up here to be honest.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 14, 2020 20:51:03 GMT
Inniskeen a non runner now with Ulster at Level 4 from midnight Thursday - can Monaghan travel?
Hate being negative but I'm gone from the sweetness of laddos above picking the team to thinking when will I see the next game?
Ah, a lot of people are in a bad way in our country just right now so sport can wait.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 21:05:20 GMT
Inniskeen a non runner now with Ulster at Level 4 from midnight Thursday - can Monaghan travel? Hate being negative but I'm gone from the sweetness of laddos above picking the team to thinking when will I see the next game? Ah, a lot of people are in a bad way in our country just right now so sport can wait. Intercounty is regarded as elite sport so is exempt in respect of level 4 restrictions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2020 21:07:48 GMT
Irish Examiner Logo NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION Kerry players to drive individually to Monaghan Kingdom board chairman Tim Murphy says overnight is a 'must' for player safety Kerry players to drive individually to Monaghan Tim Murphy, Kerry GAA chairman: 'We just feel, in the current climate, it is the most prudent thing to do' WED, 14 OCT, 2020 - 20:05 EOGHAN CORMICAN The Kerry footballers will drive, individually, to and from Inniskeen for Saturday’s Division 1 League game against Monaghan. Kerry are permitted to travel by bus to the game, but the county board executive and Peter Keane’s management team have decided players will travel separately for the eight-hour round trip. Kerry players have travelled separately to training since the Kingdom regrouped on September 16 and it was against this backdrop that manager Peter Keane last week questioned how sensible it would be, from a health point of view, to pack his players onto a bus for the lengthy journey to and from Monaghan. Kerry will overnight on Friday and embark on the return leg after Saturday’s 2pm fixture. Kerry chairman Tim Murphy said their preference was for a neutral venue within “driving distance” of Kerry. “Everybody is going to travel individually because we just feel, in the current climate, it is the most prudent thing to do and to make sure our players are protected to the absolute maximum,” Murphy told the Irish Examiner today. “The overnight is a must, given it is a 2pm throw-in. It would be too much to ask the players to drive on the day of the game, what you’d have then is the players driving up Saturday morning, they’d play the game and drive home afterwards. “We can obviously take a bus. There are no prohibitions on going on a bus. But a bus journey to Monaghan is probably a five-hour trip. We feel driving individually is giving our players the best possible chance of staying healthy. I know there is no exact science about that, but we discussed it at length and we feel this is the best approach. “Obviously, two members of the same family, such as the Clifford brothers, can travel together. Other than that, it will be singles.” Away from the logistics of safely ferrying an inter-county panel 380km up the road this weekend, Kerry manager Keane believes it will be unfair if a county is forced to step out of the All-Ireland championship because they are not able to fulfil a fixture owing to Covid-19 having infiltrated the panel. He kept shtum, however, on whether he had a preference for the championship spilling into 2021. “Is it unfair if a team has to go out? Sure, of course it is. [But] I don’t know an answer. They seem to have set in stone an All-Ireland final on December 19. If they are working to that, there are only so many weekends in between.” Keane said his players are being as cautious as they can be, but there is an “inevitability”, he added, that the virus will enter a panellist or management member's workplace. “It is in the community. Touch wood, we are okay at the moment. There is an inevitability that this is going to happen at some point, somewhere, whether it is your own workplace, a school, a working environment. It is around the corner. “There is a lot of stuff coming out of college environments, from what we are all hearing. Some of those guys are in college. All they can be is as careful as they possibly can. It is not something that you tar somebody because they contracted this. It is in the community.” Cork football manager Ronan McCarthy is of the view home fixtures pose greater challenges than away days in the current climate. Cork entertain Louth at Páirc Uí Chaoimh this Saturday. “I’d say the away game is easier. This weekend, even if you meet three hours beforehand, which you are allowed to do, what do you do after the players have had their food? They can’t gather, they can’t really congregate. What do you do in that period of time between 1.20pm and getting down to the Páirc ahead of a 4pm throw-in," McCarthy remarked. “The only advantage for the Longford away game is we are over the distance set out by Croke Park so we are allowed overnight. But you then have to make logistical decisions around travel, do you travel in a bus or do you let players travel themselves. "Every aspect of your preparation you took as normal over a long number of years, you are kinda stopping now and saying, ‘what is the best way to work this’.” MORE IN THIS SECTION Ridiculous that the Monaghan is not being played in a neutral venue. And Donegal coming down to Kerry the week after is worse again.
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Post by dc84 on Oct 14, 2020 21:27:15 GMT
Irish Examiner Logo NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION Kerry players to drive individually to Monaghan Kingdom board chairman Tim Murphy says overnight is a 'must' for player safety Kerry players to drive individually to Monaghan Tim Murphy, Kerry GAA chairman: 'We just feel, in the current climate, it is the most prudent thing to do' WED, 14 OCT, 2020 - 20:05 EOGHAN CORMICAN The Kerry footballers will drive, individually, to and from Inniskeen for Saturday’s Division 1 League game against Monaghan. Kerry are permitted to travel by bus to the game, but the county board executive and Peter Keane’s management team have decided players will travel separately for the eight-hour round trip. Kerry players have travelled separately to training since the Kingdom regrouped on September 16 and it was against this backdrop that manager Peter Keane last week questioned how sensible it would be, from a health point of view, to pack his players onto a bus for the lengthy journey to and from Monaghan. Kerry will overnight on Friday and embark on the return leg after Saturday’s 2pm fixture. Kerry chairman Tim Murphy said their preference was for a neutral venue within “driving distance” of Kerry. “Everybody is going to travel individually because we just feel, in the current climate, it is the most prudent thing to do and to make sure our players are protected to the absolute maximum,” Murphy told the Irish Examiner today. “The overnight is a must, given it is a 2pm throw-in. It would be too much to ask the players to drive on the day of the game, what you’d have then is the players driving up Saturday morning, they’d play the game and drive home afterwards. “We can obviously take a bus. There are no prohibitions on going on a bus. But a bus journey to Monaghan is probably a five-hour trip. We feel driving individually is giving our players the best possible chance of staying healthy. I know there is no exact science about that, but we discussed it at length and we feel this is the best approach. “Obviously, two members of the same family, such as the Clifford brothers, can travel together. Other than that, it will be singles.” Away from the logistics of safely ferrying an inter-county panel 380km up the road this weekend, Kerry manager Keane believes it will be unfair if a county is forced to step out of the All-Ireland championship because they are not able to fulfil a fixture owing to Covid-19 having infiltrated the panel. He kept shtum, however, on whether he had a preference for the championship spilling into 2021. “Is it unfair if a team has to go out? Sure, of course it is. [But] I don’t know an answer. They seem to have set in stone an All-Ireland final on December 19. If they are working to that, there are only so many weekends in between.” Keane said his players are being as cautious as they can be, but there is an “inevitability”, he added, that the virus will enter a panellist or management member's workplace. “It is in the community. Touch wood, we are okay at the moment. There is an inevitability that this is going to happen at some point, somewhere, whether it is your own workplace, a school, a working environment. It is around the corner. “There is a lot of stuff coming out of college environments, from what we are all hearing. Some of those guys are in college. All they can be is as careful as they possibly can. It is not something that you tar somebody because they contracted this. It is in the community.” Cork football manager Ronan McCarthy is of the view home fixtures pose greater challenges than away days in the current climate. Cork entertain Louth at Páirc Uí Chaoimh this Saturday. “I’d say the away game is easier. This weekend, even if you meet three hours beforehand, which you are allowed to do, what do you do after the players have had their food? They can’t gather, they can’t really congregate. What do you do in that period of time between 1.20pm and getting down to the Páirc ahead of a 4pm throw-in," McCarthy remarked. “The only advantage for the Longford away game is we are over the distance set out by Croke Park so we are allowed overnight. But you then have to make logistical decisions around travel, do you travel in a bus or do you let players travel themselves. "Every aspect of your preparation you took as normal over a long number of years, you are kinda stopping now and saying, ‘what is the best way to work this’.” MORE IN THIS SECTION Ridiculous that the Monaghan is not being played in a neutral venue. And Donegal coming down to Kerry the week after is worse again. Yeah bit of common sense wouldnt go astray!
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Post by southward on Oct 14, 2020 22:00:21 GMT
Jack Barry out according to twitter. I understand all players with the exception of Jack Barry are available - Jack fractured a bone in his hand in the Na Gaeil/Gaeltacht 1/4 final a few weeks ago - think he will be available for Donegal game. Interestingly heard that if Monaghan is moved to Level 4 restrictions by the Gov that game will be switched to a neutral venue. The Gaelic Grounds is neutral
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 14, 2020 22:19:31 GMT
Jack Sherwood is after another fantastic county championship, I'd have him full back. I think Tadhg Morely struggled last year, very out of his depth in the Dublin matches, he'll find it hard to get a starting jersey this year imo. Paudie Clifford is looking for a spot on the team where we thankfully aren't short of capable fellas. Worth trying him to see how he goes. I’d completely disagree on Morley last year, I thought he was outstanding. He went toe to toe with Cillian O’Connor, Paddy McBrearty, Matty Donnelly and Paul Mannion the first day and got the better of all of them in my opinion. Mannion got 4 points from play in the replay but so did Kilkenny, O’Callaghan, Clifford and Geaney, it happens. I’d have him as our most important back. What I will say is in one or two of the club games his form did look a bit iffy. Hopefully he hits the ground running Saturday. I agree that Sherwood has had a great championship. My full back line would be Sherwood, Morley, Tom O’Sullivan.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 14, 2020 22:31:04 GMT
I understand all players with the exception of Jack Barry are available - Jack fractured a bone in his hand in the Na Gaeil/Gaeltacht 1/4 final a few weeks ago - think he will be available for Donegal game. Interestingly heard that if Monaghan is moved to Level 4 restrictions by the Gov that game will be switched to a neutral venue. The Gaelic Grounds is neutral Neville Park in Rathkeale would be absolutely perfect
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 14, 2020 23:27:51 GMT
To be honest the fact that this game is going ahead in Monaghan is ridiculous and made even worse by the fact that players are driving up individually & can’t shower up there.
So not only is it pointlessly idiotic but it’s bordering on inhumane aswell.
I, along with everyone else? would line to see matches this year but this intercounty season is going to be a farce and I don’t see why we are putting amateur players in this position.
Who will pick up the bill if lads miss work due to having symptoms or being a close contact? It’s fine for Aaron Connolly, etc as those boys are paid no matter what but Gaa players haven’t the same luxury.
And the above isn’t opening up the debate on whether you agree with the restrictions or not- they are there so we have to adhere to them
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Post by Deise Exile on Oct 15, 2020 9:01:35 GMT
play in neutral venue. only need decent pitch. Nenagh?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 15, 2020 12:36:33 GMT
Pipsqueak, I am truly delighted that a professional in the world of covid has joined us. It is important for those of us floundering in the dark to now have an inhouse resource who maybe able to enlighten us on some aspects of this viral condition. I am not being sarcastic or facetious when making this remark but rather I hope to avail of your expertise. So, welcome aboard. I am sure you will enjoy being a participant as opposed to being a lurker. At the outset I had better issue a warning to those of a nervous disposition and faintness of heart, some misguided souls who still feel that this topic has nothing to do with GAA matters. Move on, this is not for you. I have a lot of problems with this issue, some of which would be: the hysteria surrounding the lethality of this condition, the undue emphasis on case numbers, the validity of the testing, the morality and effectiveness of lockdowns, school closures, the usefulness of mask wearing and contradictory advice therein etc. You are right when you say that that the nuance of the PCR test escapes me. Perhaps after our engagement those nuances will become more apparent. So here goes. Am I right in saying that the man who devised this test said it should not be used as a screening test? If so. why did he have those misgivings. If indeed he had those misgivings , could you clarify if this test is being used to screen people here and elsewhere. I read in the New York Times, albeit not a medical journal, that up to 85% of these could be false positives. Seemingly, these false positives could be generated by over amplification? in the process. I am not sure what that means but I am sure you will explain. It seems that amplification to too high a level, above thirty?, can give false positive readings. Now you suggest that because labs are used to doing this test it is unlikely that inaccuracies will occur. That is reassuring but still think of the mayhem resulting from inaccurate interpretation of mammograms, cervical smear tests and that most mundane of tests , chest xrays. No room for complacency I fear. Another difficulty apparently is that the test can detect fragments of the virus which now are inactive. Is this latter positive test recorded as a case? One of my big gripes with this virus is the fear, indeed hysteria, that has been engendered. Some of my acquaintances, long in the tooth now of course, are terrified out of their wits. This is caused by the daily bulletins regarding cases and deaths. If the number of false positives, for various reasons, are as prevalent as some suggest then why is their so much emphasis on cases which only encourage a lot of old folk not so much to take their beds but rather to go under the bed. We have known for a good while now that we are not dealing with deadly virus at all. Dr. Mike Ryan from WHO says their best guess is that approx 10% of the world population may have been infected. That would be approx 750,000,000. According to WHO approx 1,000,000 worldwide have died from the virus. That would give us a case fatality rate of approx 0.13%. According to the CDC data over the past 10 years in the U.S. the case fatality rate for the seasonal flu is also 0.13%. Really! So this is the extent of the awful pestilence with which we are grappling. I wish our experts would point out that case numbers are meaningless to a large extent and above all inform people loudly and unambiguously that we are not dealing with anything approaching a deadly disease. If we are not dealing with a deadly disease then why are we being subjected to economically crippling lockdowns which as the WHO says, in a Damascene conversion, will lead to the poor becoming poorer. Businesses closing down, some never to reopen, people neglecting medical reviews of cancer, heart disease, mental disease etc . Pipsqueak suggests that it is not just mortality rates that should concern us but also morbidity rates arising from this disease. I am sure that is a valid point although it is a little early in the history of the virus to dwell on that fact. However, we do know the catastrophic consequences of neglecting the diagnosis of high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc resulting from a fear of going near a doctor, hospital all created as a result of the hyperbole attached this virus. I accept the fear of overloading the hospital system but if we keep throwing people out of work, for spurious reasons I contend, and pari passu increase the number of people on social welfare, then I would fear greatly for our health system, not to mention the luxury of ICU beds. Perhaps, people should acquaint themselves with the recent Great Barrington Declaration. Of course you are unlikely to read about it in the lamestream media. Professors from Oxford, Stanford and Harvard got together and suggested how we should deal with this problem. Basically , they suggest we shield the elderly and vulnerable, with special emphasis on care homes etc and allow the young and healthy go about their business as normal. Instinctively, it appeals to me on a health care level and on an economy level. A case of morality and science pointing in the same direction. Maybe our medical brethren here should study it. Must sign out, exhausted after this effort. Dr Eamonn Shanahan was good on Radio Kerry, said that testing 'may show one has it', i.e. doesn't mean one is free of it. This is understandable given that researchers don't fully understand the virus anyway. He also states that a few negative tests will give greater certainty that one is free. He is a down to earth and steeped in things GAA so I'd go with whatever he says and it also stacks up with was it a soccer player showing positive in one of three tests. With respect I think the less non-medics delve in here the better as even with the best of intentions, we will at best give the wrong slant and also more confusion, all leading to people having less faith in guidance and acting accordingly, risking others. In another vein HQ are now balloting the GPA to see if they want inter-county competitions to go ahead in 2020, and with many clubs having players showing positive, I am fearful. As it stands I'd settle for a clean start in 2021 and that will depend on a cure being found and tested, a big ask I dare say.
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Post by tonydorigo on Oct 15, 2020 13:29:57 GMT
Jack Sherwood is after another fantastic county championship, I'd have him full back. I think Tadhg Morely struggled last year, very out of his depth in the Dublin matches, he'll find it hard to get a starting jersey this year imo. Paudie Clifford is looking for a spot on the team where we thankfully aren't short of capable fellas. Worth trying him to see how he goes. I don't think that Tadhg Morley struggled as much as any of our other players in the inside line. Thought he did well in there in a man marking role and don't see Sherwood bettering him in that role. Sherwood offers a huge amount on the ball and probably think he would be a more valuable centre back than Gavin Crowley.
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Post by rollingstone on Oct 15, 2020 15:36:44 GMT
Its a really simple math for me. 2000 cases a day with 2% needing ICU overwhelms ICU beds available. If we had 2000 ICU beds then everyone would relax a lot more about it. I am sure the medics would prefer to not to have tell people as young as 60 that they are too old for one of the 300 ICU beds in the country. I notice rollingstone ignores this inconvenient truth. I’m not ignoring anything MM, just been busy the last few days is all. I will be amazed if we get a championship this year at this rate. Where did you get 2,000 cases from? There has never been anything close to 2,000 cases been recorded in Ireland as the charts I linked show - yesterday was 1,084 recorded cases. This is how we lose the run of ourselves. Every year as we move into the darker/colder months, the HSE is overrun but we now start using the HSE as a basis to justify to ourselves our acceptance of the measures being implemented. We never had a well-run HSE and referring to speculative figures like 2% of a non-existent 2,000 cases does nothing but add to the unwarranted hysteria. I have given facts on the recorded cases v. deaths but we’d rather cower fear at the “cases” than celebrate the fact that deaths are negligible. Surely the fact that we have so many recorded cases v. so few deaths of people with COVID (not from it, again a very big distinction) raises major questions? Clearly the ramped-up testing regime is driving the increase in cases and that is before you consider the issues with the PCR test used. In the last 7 days to 12 October, 97,496 tests were done according to the Irish Institute of radiography; from the Google charts I provided previously, there were 4,802 positives cases in that time (4.9% of those tested) and 17 recorded deaths with COVID - that is 0.017% of tests. Obviously, there will be a lag in recorded deaths but the death chart is flat since June 2020 and the trend is the same. These are referenced facts and not my opinion or anecdotal. Some more facts that people may be interested (or not) that have not been mentioned anywhere and are available at the European Mortality Monitoring website. To date this year, Ireland has had less deaths than it did last year. Right now, and for the past several months, Ireland is running at substantially less deaths than usual and it’s a similar pattern across Europe as the charts show. Why is this if COVID is so deadly? Here is my hypothesis - those poor unfortunates that died in the peak during spring were mostly going to pass away this year anyway (which has been openly admitted) but instead of these deaths being spread out throughout the year, we had a new virus that took them all early and all at the same time. Now that that virus has circulated in the population, the obvious result is far fewer deaths but it’s all CASES, CASES, CASES now and the shutdown of the country again. Also note that the average age of a COVID death the last time I checked the HSE data was 84 – interestingly the average age of life expectancy in Ireland is 82. All of this and the ensuing lockdown is sucking the enjoyment out of life. I haven’t been to senior match in ages and who knows when I will again. Now that disappoints me greatly but I’ll get by but think about for how many people the club and the GAA is the centre of their life? I have older retired relatives whose whole social life revolves around the club, going to matches and a few pints with the lads and ladies afterwards but that is gone and not coming back anytime soon. And for what? A virus that you have very little chance of dying from as the statistics I quote support.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 15, 2020 16:18:46 GMT
Personally I believe Jason Foley should still be given a chance at Full Back. Even though football has moved on from such set positions. The number on someone's back means very little these days. Personally I believe Morley and Foley make a very strong last line of defence, for different reasons. Sherwood would be better suited for centre half back with Peter Crowley, Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan, Ó Beaglaoich, Gavin White and Gavin Crowley all options in the backs. The county championship has shown a lot of promising young backs and the minor and U20 lads are also coming of age around now. There are a lot of rumours about lads being brought into training and such and if last year is anything to go by I think we will see more new faces for the last two league matches.
Likewise with Paudie Clifford. Very instrumental with Fossa and East Kerry. With David Clifford, Sean O'Shea, Darragh Moynihan, Sean O'Brien, Paul Geaney, Adrian Spillane, Killian Spillane, Michael Burns and possibly David Shaw and Tony Brosnan all in the mix, and with Tommy Walsh and James O'Donoghue possibly around as well, it is hard to see where Paudie fits in. Keane has been picking players on form in training and form with the clubs, so based on that Paudie might be given a chance int he last two league games. I think he will. I hope he will.
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Post by KY50 on Oct 15, 2020 16:54:17 GMT
The League should be put on hold, the GAA are introducing risk into peoples lives ?
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Post by veteran on Oct 15, 2020 16:59:20 GMT
Rollingstone , fine post once again.
I have just been told that my family cannot visit me from midnight . Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler , Pol Pot and all other megalomaniacs please return. This is a not to be missed opportunity for your second coming.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 15, 2020 17:31:13 GMT
Its a really simple math for me. 2000 cases a day with 2% needing ICU overwhelms ICU beds available. If we had 2000 ICU beds then everyone would relax a lot more about it. I am sure the medics would prefer to not to have tell people as young as 60 that they are too old for one of the 300 ICU beds in the country. I notice rollingstone ignores this inconvenient truth. I’m not ignoring anything MM, just been busy the last few days is all. I will be amazed if we get a championship this year at this rate. Where did you get 2,000 cases from? There has never been anything close to 2,000 cases been recorded in Ireland as the charts I linked show - yesterday was 1,084 recorded cases. This is how we lose the run of ourselves. Every year as we move into the darker/colder months, the HSE is overrun but we now start using the HSE as a basis to justify to ourselves our acceptance of the measures being implemented. We never had a well-run HSE and referring to speculative figures like 2% of a non-existent 2,000 cases does nothing but add to the unwarranted hysteria. I have given facts on the recorded cases v. deaths but we’d rather cower fear at the “cases” than celebrate the fact that deaths are negligible. Surely the fact that we have so many recorded cases v. so few deaths of people with COVID (not from it, again a very big distinction) raises major questions? Clearly the ramped-up testing regime is driving the increase in cases and that is before you consider the issues with the PCR test used. In the last 7 days to 12 October, 97,496 tests were done according to the Irish Institute of radiography; from the Google charts I provided previously, there were 4,802 positives cases in that time (4.9% of those tested) and 17 recorded deaths with COVID - that is 0.017% of tests. Obviously, there will be a lag in recorded deaths but the death chart is flat since June 2020 and the trend is the same. These are referenced facts and not my opinion or anecdotal. Some more facts that people may be interested (or not) that have not been mentioned anywhere and are available at the European Mortality Monitoring website. To date this year, Ireland has had less deaths than it did last year. Right now, and for the past several months, Ireland is running at substantially less deaths than usual and it’s a similar pattern across Europe as the charts show. Why is this if COVID is so deadly? Here is my hypothesis - those poor unfortunates that died in the peak during spring were mostly going to pass away this year anyway (which has been openly admitted) but instead of these deaths being spread out throughout the year, we had a new virus that took them all early and all at the same time. Now that that virus has circulated in the population, the obvious result is far fewer deaths but it’s all CASES, CASES, CASES now and the shutdown of the country again. Also note that the average age of a COVID death the last time I checked the HSE data was 84 – interestingly the average age of life expectancy in Ireland is 82. All of this and the ensuing lockdown is sucking the enjoyment out of life. I haven’t been to senior match in ages and who knows when I will again. Now that disappoints me greatly but I’ll get by but think about for how many people the club and the GAA is the centre of their life? I have older retired relatives whose whole social life revolves around the club, going to matches and a few pints with the lads and ladies afterwards but that is gone and not coming back anytime soon. And for what? A virus that you have very little chance of dying from as the statistics I quote support. At least this post is not laden with misinformation, innuendo, and conspiracy. Meanwhile www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40065155.html?type=amp
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Post by veteran on Oct 15, 2020 18:17:12 GMT
Rollingstone , fine post once again. I have just been told that my family cannot visit me from midnight . Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler , Pol Pot and all other megalomaniacs please return. This is a not to be missed opportunity for your second coming. Since posting this I have now been informed that very shortly one will get an on the spot fine for not wearing a mask! I am just trying to think when masks were mandated. - end of July/start of August? What has happened the number of “cases” since that life changing edict? You can work that out for yourselves. When you arrive at the inevitable answer , could it be , as a lot of people predicted, that this dehumanising accessory may be exacerbating the problem through improper use? Walk down your street or walk into your supermarket and observe: fine noses being exposed , constant adjusting , putting into pockets and taking out of pockets , retrieving from and placing back on dashboards of cars and , inevitably, beIng discarded all over the place. So now we will be fined on the spot if we do not continue to improperly use them. I get it. I do get it. As a final word regarding these facial comfort blankets. It concerns Joe Biden and it belongs to the believe it or believe it nor category. It may still be available on the internet. Joe was recently speaking to a gathering and of course he was dutifully wearing his mask. Our Joe started to cough, pulled down his mask, coughed into his hand and replaced the mask! Will nobody me of these virtue signaling hucksters.
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Post by taibhse on Oct 15, 2020 18:35:42 GMT
It is said that people don’t learn from their mistakes because they never get past the first step, which is admitting they have made one. Remind you of anyone?
The co-relation between your self-esteem and self-competence was clearly and professionally evaluated and, shall we say, ‘found wanting.’ There is still truth in the ancient proverb, “Pride goeth before the fall. Pleased to see the irony bypass was successful. Hmm... You are on a pretty sticky wicket when you cite those despicable characters to back up your hypothesis. Time to take stock, methinks?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 15, 2020 19:01:19 GMT
Its a really simple math for me. 2000 cases a day with 2% needing ICU overwhelms ICU beds available. If we had 2000 ICU beds then everyone would relax a lot more about it. I am sure the medics would prefer to not to have tell people as young as 60 that they are too old for one of the 300 ICU beds in the country. I notice rollingstone ignores this inconvenient truth. I’m not ignoring anything MM, just been busy the last few days is all. I will be amazed if we get a championship this year at this rate. Where did you get 2,000 cases from? There has never been anything close to 2,000 cases been recorded in Ireland as the charts I linked show - yesterday was 1,084 recorded cases. This is how we lose the run of ourselves. Every year as we move into the darker/colder months, the HSE is overrun but we now start using the HSE as a basis to justify to ourselves our acceptance of the measures being implemented. We never had a well-run HSE and referring to speculative figures like 2% of a non-existent 2,000 cases does nothing but add to the unwarranted hysteria. I have given facts on the recorded cases v. deaths but we’d rather cower fear at the “cases” than celebrate the fact that deaths are negligible. Surely the fact that we have so many recorded cases v. so few deaths of people with COVID (not from it, again a very big distinction) raises major questions? Clearly the ramped-up testing regime is driving the increase in cases and that is before you consider the issues with the PCR test used. In the last 7 days to 12 October, 97,496 tests were done according to the Irish Institute of radiography; from the Google charts I provided previously, there were 4,802 positives cases in that time (4.9% of those tested) and 17 recorded deaths with COVID - that is 0.017% of tests. Obviously, there will be a lag in recorded deaths but the death chart is flat since June 2020 and the trend is the same. These are referenced facts and not my opinion or anecdotal. Some more facts that people may be interested (or not) that have not been mentioned anywhere and are available at the European Mortality Monitoring website. To date this year, Ireland has had less deaths than it did last year. Right now, and for the past several months, Ireland is running at substantially less deaths than usual and it’s a similar pattern across Europe as the charts show. Why is this if COVID is so deadly? Here is my hypothesis - those poor unfortunates that died in the peak during spring were mostly going to pass away this year anyway (which has been openly admitted) but instead of these deaths being spread out throughout the year, we had a new virus that took them all early and all at the same time. Now that that virus has circulated in the population, the obvious result is far fewer deaths but it’s all CASES, CASES, CASES now and the shutdown of the country again. Also note that the average age of a COVID death the last time I checked the HSE data was 84 – interestingly the average age of life expectancy in Ireland is 82. All of this and the ensuing lockdown is sucking the enjoyment out of life. I haven’t been to senior match in ages and who knows when I will again. Now that disappoints me greatly but I’ll get by but think about for how many people the club and the GAA is the centre of their life? I have older retired relatives whose whole social life revolves around the club, going to matches and a few pints with the lads and ladies afterwards but that is gone and not coming back anytime soon. And for what? A virus that you have very little chance of dying from as the statistics I quote support. While I'd appreciate your analysis, you are falling into the 'lies, damned lies and statistics' trap, take the overall average mortality age of 82 with Corvids 84 - the issue is that the Corvids were the longest living of the 82 average that it killed, i.e. they would still be with us. The other aspect non medics overlook is that our scientists don't understand the virus - could it wipe out a nation? well we don't know and can't take chances, it could proliferate? Unless one is a medic then our analysis will be flawed, even medics aren't sure of things so realistically how can non medics have a clue? And no, I am not one to doff my cap at experts, some of them are pathetic but with Corvid we have a lot of trustworthy guidance and most of them are at one on, and that's good enough for me anyway. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
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Post by Galway breeze on Oct 15, 2020 19:51:18 GMT
It will be an absolute disgrace if the Gaa allow these competitions to go ahead. The Galway u20s are well under strength due to COVID-19 so this game is a nothing game. Other counties are also under pressure and how many Kerry seniors will come back needing a test after this weekend? Wrong, wrong, wrong
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 21:25:06 GMT
Must say that poster kerrygold is a loss to the forum.
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Post by veteran on Oct 15, 2020 21:47:27 GMT
It is said that people don’t learn from their mistakes because they never get past the first step, which is admitting they have made one. Remind you of anyone? The co-relation between your self-esteem and self-competence was clearly and professionally evaluated and, shall we say, ‘found wanting.’ There is still truth in the ancient proverb, “Pride goeth before the fall. Pleased to see the irony bypass was successful. Hmm... You are on a pretty sticky wicket when you cite those despicable characters to back up your hypothesis. Time to take stock, methinks? I wonder does this constitute an attack on the man rather than the ball. Not sure because it seems to be written in code. Multiculturism seems to be making its way In to forum. Last week we had somebody who spoke Swahilli and now it appears we have somebody who speaks Crypticese. Control, could anything be said for employing a multilinguist , on a partime basis at first I suppose but the hours may have to be extended if this trend continues. It has the merit also of creating a job rather than destroying one as is the fashion now.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 16, 2020 10:21:54 GMT
Hard to know how much of his hand Peter Keane will show but there is still a national title up for grabs so I think he will go for it.
No idea of how the injured players are but if everybody was fit and well I'd like to see Moran and Barry midfield with Burns, Seanie and Diarmuid O Connor half forward and a full forward line of O'Brien, Clifford and either James O or Geaney (I would start James O and bring Geaney on for last 30 this winter). If Tony Brosnan is fit he deserves a place before the last two.
The backs are a more difficult proposition. I think Sherwood has to start for the rest of the year given the softer ground and how he played in the county championship. Paul Murphy and Tom Sullivan would be two other guaranteed starters in the backs. I'd nearly go with a full back line of Foley, Sherwood and Sullivan and a half back line of Murphy, Morley or Crowley and Begley or Gavin White - although the lack of height and aerial ability here might be a problem. The time of year will suit Shane Enright also so I wouldn't rule him out.
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