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Post by dano on Oct 18, 2020 0:24:24 GMT
Great to come away from Monaghan with a win. The team looked settled and won handy enough. The injury time was double what was posted and they were awarded a wide as a point. You couldn't blame kerry for taking the foot off the pedal at the end and , despite, the aforementioned issues, still won by 3. They were rusty enough in patches probably due to the long layoff, but were the better team all day. Looking forward to Donegal visit to Tralee.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 18, 2020 9:41:15 GMT
Jason Foley played probably his best game for Kerry yesterday. Was delighted to see him kick that point because all too often Jason would get the ball only to handpass it backwards or sideways. He was also fouled for a handy free.
Gavin White was outstanding going forward - the pitches at Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Croke Park will be made for Gavin over the next while.
Moran, O Connor and Buckley formed a good unit in the middle.
Seanie was quiet enough but I wouldn't worry about him. What can you say about Clifford, his last point was top class. Not sure what he was thinking passing to Lyne when he should have blasted it past Began though.
Tony Brosnan is making a real case to start now. Burns will be disappointed enough id say. If it's a case of Moynihan or Burns I think PK will go for Moynihan.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Oct 18, 2020 10:11:09 GMT
I don't think so. Burns has been outstanding for Crokes.
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Post by tpo on Oct 18, 2020 10:30:21 GMT
Delighted for Jason Foley, by far the best game he played as a senior.
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Post by ataboy on Oct 18, 2020 10:31:30 GMT
Jason Foley played probably his best game for Kerry yesterday. Was delighted to see him kick that point because all too often Jason would get the ball only to handpass it backwards or sideways. He was also fouled for a handy free. Gavin White was outstanding going forward - the pitches at Pairc Ui Chaoimh and Croke Park will be made for Gavin over the next while. Moran, O Connor and Buckley formed a good unit in the middle. Seanie was quiet enough but I wouldn't worry about him. What can you say about Clifford, his last point was top class. Not sure what he was thinking passing to Lyne when he should have blasted it past Began though. Tony Brosnan is making a real case to start now. Burns will be disappointed enough id say. If it's a case of Moynihan or Burns I think PK will go for Moynihan. On the missed goal chance, I can see exactly what Clifford was doing. Hand pass it across to Lyne, take out the keeper and 9 times out of 10 that's a simple goal. Far too often you see a free player and the forward tries to beat the keeper with a shot himself. Should have been a goal though. Looks like Keane is going with 2 if not 3 out and out hard working wing forwards going by the team picked and with Lyne coming on also. With Jack Barry to come back in, good chance of Diarmuid O'Connor going to wing forward? With Burns, Moynihan, Adrian Spillane fighting it out for the last spot?
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Post by mossie on Oct 18, 2020 12:08:16 GMT
Burns and Moynihan are 1st cousins I believe
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Post by Tadhgeen on Oct 18, 2020 12:39:57 GMT
Any news on Stephen O’Brien?
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Post by Deise Exile on Oct 18, 2020 12:53:23 GMT
I don't think so. Burns has been outstanding for Crokes. score vs wide ratio too high and gave away possession a few times
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 18, 2020 13:42:35 GMT
On reflection it looks like we are now playing the system and if that wins games that would otherwise be lost then so be it. Jason and Paul pointing while inside forwards defending in our first game and after laddos piloting that long journey themselves is remarkable - up and down in the day.
Great to hear all the views again but with respect I don't know how sanity could allow anyone to anticipate team selections with Kerry, if only because Peter could have an entirely different starting 15 next Sunday, such is the talent pool -'what do you think of that Joe Brolly', etc. One thing for sure, we will all be laughing at what we were thinking in Nov when we review the season, and maybe I might have the biggest laugh as there may not even be one.
Of further interest is the varying views given that we all saw it on screen - anyone who was there might let us know when positing and their account would be most interesting, bet you'd be thinking they were at a different match.
Is Gavin Crowley about? He showed great promise but didn't he get injured? Yeah, Jason stronger now and should spancel any Dub henceforth. Pressure for places needless to say must be highest ever, and under the system there is little emphasis on positional suitability.
What also occurred to me is the increasing emphasis on man marking and how one can cope with it, particularly our attackers - there was a time when a good footballer was enough, now you need to be able to fight off obstruction. SO'6 must have been riddled if what I saw DC getting in Clones last time was anything to go by - head butting with your back to the ref is hard went on wholesale and not a word from the stewards. How DC maintained his composure says a lot about his physique and mentality, iron in every respect. Standard has taken another leap forward in recent years and there is no way top players of past eras would cope today.
Hey, stay safe folks, a wee child and grandparent of a friend of mine just got diagnosed positive and what is maddening is that if others followed guidelines it was avoidable. We are all brave theologians until that cursed thing come close to home, then it is too late. All we need to is make a habit of what is right and we will prevail, and be the next to lift Sam gan aon dabht ar fad!
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Post by Jo90 on Oct 18, 2020 14:27:43 GMT
A win for Kerry at home to Donegal next week secures them their 21st league title.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:18:14 GMT
Donegal are quite likely to put out a second string team given they are due to play Tyrone the week after.
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Post by homerj on Oct 18, 2020 19:13:35 GMT
A very good display. The backs in particular were good. Nice to see Jason Foley playing a lead role along with Tom OSullivan and Gavin White. The extra year strength and conditioning has made a big difference to these players and Diarmuid O Connor also. Great to have Peter Crowley back also .. he looked sharp. It’s a difficult panel to make at this stage. heavy ground, injuries, covid issues - huge panel needed. goes without saying normally the teams with the best panels, will do best but its more applicable now given the added challenges.
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Post by veteran on Oct 18, 2020 19:47:09 GMT
Looking at the table, if we win next weekend we win the NFL. If Donegal win and the Galway/Dublin game is a draw they are likely to win the tittle because of their better score difference. If there is an outright winner in the Galway/Dublin game and we lose , then the winner wins the title. Therefore , if my calculations are correct any of four teams could win out. A NFL is not to be scoffed at. While clearly the championship takes precedence I cannot see those teams using next weekends games purely as an experimental exercise. I will be surprised if Donegal do not travel south with a fairly strong team.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 18, 2020 20:38:25 GMT
Looking at the table, if we win next weekend we win the NFL. If Donegal win and the Galway/Dublin game is a draw they are likely to win the tittle because of their better score difference. If there is an outright winner in the Galway/Dublin game and we lose , then the winner wins the title. Therefore , if my calculations are correct any of four teams could win out. A NFL is not to be scoffed at. While clearly the championship takes precedence I cannot see those teams using next weekends games purely as an experimental exercise. I will be surprised if Donegal do not travel south with a fairly strong team. Donegal play Tyrone in the Ulster quarter final the weekend after the Kerry game. I would be surprised if they don't rest a few of their more important players next weekend.
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Post by diego on Oct 18, 2020 20:44:15 GMT
That is a tricky predicament for Donegal though. The fact the games are not on at the same time means they'll definitely still have a slim chance of winning the league going in to Sunday if they win on Saturday.
I'm not sure the risk/reward is sufficient for them to leave it all out on the battle field a week before an elimination game with Tyrone.
Even winning the league while watching Dublin and Galway play out a draw would feel like a hollow triumph if the All-Ireland campaign is over a week later.
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Post by tpo on Oct 18, 2020 21:32:30 GMT
Would Donegal like to lose a match a week before playing Tyrone ? Don't think so.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 18, 2020 21:41:59 GMT
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NEWS SPORT LIFESTYLE OPINION Peter Keane: 'We sang a few songs and did a bit of karaoke all on our own' The Kerry Covid convoy came to south Monaghan, saw and conquered to give themselves a fighting chance of a league title Peter Keane: 'We sang a few songs and did a bit of karaoke all on our own' SUN, 18 OCT, 2020 - 17:30 JOHN FOGARTY, MCGRATTAN PARK NFL Division 1: Monaghan 0-14 Kerry 0-17
Uncertainty seems relentless right now but for 80 or so minutes it was parked just like the 30-plus KY reg cars just outside the perimeter of the McGrattan Park pitch. Football was played and it mightn’t have been gorgeous but it sure felt like it.
The Kerry Covid convoy came to south Monaghan, saw and conquered to give themselves a fighting chance of a league title. The significance of that piece of silverware may have dwindled in the seven months since the original date for this fixture but it still meant enough for Kerry to send a caravan of vehicles to Inniskeen.
“We got up in the car, we had a chance to have a chat with ourselves, we sang a few songs and did a bit of karaoke because we were all on our own,” laughed Peter Keane, happy to finally play a game that had been scheduled for March 15.
“What could you do? It was a journey, it was the safest option we could think of. You could have put fellas on a bus but I didn’t see any logic in that especially as we’re asking fellas to travel to training on their own so why would you put them in a risk environment of going into buses.”
Whether these county teams will still be playing in the weeks is the burning question and that realisation was drawn across the faces of both managers afterwards. Keane did just about enough to hide his frustration with the GPA for asking players if they wanted to go ahead with the inter-county season just hours before it was supposed to resume.
“I couldn’t understand the logic of that the day before (the resumption of the inter-county season). They had two months, they could have been doing that two weeks, three weeks, four weeks (ago). I just don’t think that made sense.”
Monaghan boss Seamus McEnaney was adamant that it remains in his county’s best interests to finish out the Allianz Leagues and commence the knockout All-Ireland SFC from Halloween weekend.
Learn more “For me, there’s no grey area here. I think the GAA, the Championship, all of it is very important for the mental health of a lot of people in the country. First of all, our players and their families. Second of all, half a million or maybe a million people will watch some sort of inter-county game over a given weekend. We need that. The country needs that. And I think in a very safe environment, it needs to happen.”
Regardless of what happens this week, Keane will be pleased with what he saw here. There was David Clifford indicating once again that the cloak of captaincy rests easy on his shoulders. Seán O’Shea’s tackling was sharp and there was enough from Tony Brosnan to indicate he is ready to start against Cork on November 8 should Paul Geaney not be fit.
But what might have given Keane the greatest satisfaction was the performance of Gavin White, a man who appeared to find the responsibility of leading the team (at least in name) difficult last year. Here, he was at his unshackled best, his direct running a regular headache for Monaghan and complemented by the extra muscle he has put on to negotiate the chicanes put in front of him. That additional physical presence was evident in others like Brian Ó Beaglaoich who seemed more confident in advancing.
Kerry were more than good value for the win and possibly by a larger margin, scores from Conor McManus and Chris McGuinness later into additional time bringing Monaghan that little bit closer.
McEnaney bemoaned his team’s conversion rate afterwards. “Kerry had 27 shots, we had 25. The crucial period of the game was just after half-time when we had four shots and scored with none of them — three went wide and one dropped into the goalkeeper’s hands. Those were relatively handy scores for us to be taking and that’s disappointing.”
Truth be told, a lot of Monaghan’s efforts with speculative and nothing close to percentage shots, particularly in the opening half when they ran out of ideas as Kerry harried and bottled them up. Monaghan were attempting to do the same at their end but Kerry were happy to play the waiting game.
The visitors lead 0-10 to 0-6 at half-time having scored the first three points of the game, two of them from Clifford. Four unanswered scores, three of them from defenders, had pushed them five clear by the half-hour mark.
Monaghan did spark a little when McManus entered the fray and he ended his 40 minute contribution with five points.
But Kerry were always able to keep a step ahead and led by six points going into the water break when O’Shea split the posts as he had done prior to the first water intermission.
In the 59th minute, Kerry should have done better when they had a three on two scenario and Jonathan Lyne’s palmed effort was saved by Rory Beggan but they continued to raise white flags, Clifford posting his second marked score in the 65th minute to restore the six-point difference.
Donegal are now in Kerry’s eye-line and Keane has no intention of supporting the game being played anywhere other than Austin Stack Park. Kerry travelled therefore so must Donegal.
Asked if he would support the game being played somewhere closer to the visitors, Keane remarked:
“I would have thought logically neutral venues were something that should have happened but obviously they decided not to go ahead with that so that means Donegal travel to Tralee next weekend.”
The 60-second report
IT MATTERED
With a quick brace, Monaghan cut the deficit to four points in the 67th minute but as they pushed up they left yawning gaps behind them. David Clifford and Tom O’Sullivan exploited them with scores.
CAN’T IGNORE
If this return to inter-county action is going to amount to anything. Everybody was on their best behaviour here. From all the management team wearing masks to the players’ snoods to the set-up put together by the kitman, the attention to detail in the Kerry camp was especially was noticeable.
GOOD DAY
Kerry looked the more physical team but didn’t have to act like bullies, although there was a strong element of street smarts about some of their play, especially from men like Ronan Buckley and Dara Moynihan fighting for first-team spots.
BAD DAY
Taken off at half-time, Conor McCarthy was either not fully fit or out of sorts. Either way, that must be a concern for Seamus McEnaney ahead of two big weekends.
PHYSIO ROOM
Drew Wylie suffered a suspected concussion close to the end of the game but should be fit for their Ulster first round clash against Cavan on Saturday week.
SIDELINE SMARTS
Monaghan seemed to dictate the terms but Kerry were able to play them at their own game and were not only more patient but clever when presented by the banks of players Monaghan placed behind the ball. Alternating Clifford and Tony Brosnan as the inside forward gave each enough opportunity to get their hands on the ball further out the field.
BEST ON SHOW
Clifford’s purple patches were more vivid than any other player on the field but Gavin White’s consistency throughout shone. Conor McManus showed his class coming on at half-time and scoring five points.
MAN IN THE MIDDLE
Barry Cassidy had a busy afternoon but managed the game well.
NEXT UP
Kerry welcome Donegal to Austin Stack Park this Saturday with the possibility of a first Division 1 title in three years. The following day, Monaghan must beat relegated Meath to ensure they remain in the top flight.
Scorers for Monaghan: C McManus (0-5, 2 frees); C McGuinness (0-2, 1 mark); A Woods, D Ward, M Bannigan (free), K Hughes, F Kelly (mark), R Beggan (free), S O’Hanlon (0-1 each).
Scorers for Kerry: D Clifford (0-6, 1 free, 2 marks); T Brosnan (0-3); S O’Shea (0-2, 1 45); D O’Connor, J Foley, G White, P Murphy, D Moran, T O’Sullivan (0-1 each).
MONAGHAN: R Beggan; K Duffy, C Boyle, R Wylie (c); R McAnespie, F Kelly, K O’Connell; D Malone, M Bannigan, D Ward; S Carey, C McCarthy, A Woods.
Subs for Monaghan: C McManus for C McCarthy (h-t); C McGuinness for A Woods, S O’Hanlon for D Malone (both 52); J McKenna for K O’Connell (62); D Wylie for R McAnespie (65).
KERRY: S Ryan; J Foley, T Morley, T O’Sullivan; P Murphy, P Crowley, G White; D Moran, D O’Connor; R Buckley, S O’Shea, M Burns; T Brosnan, D Clifford (c), D Moynihan.
Subs for Kerry: J Lyne for M Burns (52); B Ó Beaglaoich for D Moynihan (61); P Clifford for R Buckley (70+1); T Walsh for D Moran, K Spillane for T Brosnan (70+4).
Referee: B Cassidy (Derry).
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Oct 19, 2020 8:08:23 GMT
Donegal, like all teams, have had little match fitness going into the Ulster game. Based on this weekend's result, I would say they know they can beat Tyrone. Tyrone have a very important match against Mayo and need to win it. Donegal will come down with the intend to win, I see no reason why they would want a losing mentality in the team at this stage. Both Donegal and Tyrone will give their all this weekend and next weekend.
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