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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2019 19:09:50 GMT
In the 1980s Vincent Brownes monthly "Magill" Magazine used to have brilliant articles now and then on GAA matters.
There was a brilliant episode on Kevin Heffernan for example.
I clearly remember one by David Walsh in or around 1987 about the plight facing Kerry to rebuild with no success at underage to draw on.
He said "Of all the All Irelands that Kerry have won, the next one will be the hardest won"....or words to that effect.
A long spell under Corks thumb followed.
It is very strange now, after a rake of successful minors, to think that the next one won may well be the hardest won of all.
And to say that with Kerry in the final.
We live in strange times in many respects.
Everything is teed up for Dublins coronation nicely.
Kerry will turn up and give their best hopefully.
It may not be enough.
No neutral i speak to gives them a chance.
The pressure is off them.
They play with huge pride in the jersey and deserve our full support.
Ciarrai Abu
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2019 19:11:24 GMT
Does anyone know what's the current status with JOD's injury? And NO, before some smartass suggest 'we forget JOD' I won't and that's why i'm asking the question! I hope JOD is fit and available to the panel at the very least. All I can remember is the incident where I believe he hurt himself in the Mayo game. It was the last play of the first half, a cross field ball in toward the Mayo square, JOD stooped to foot pick it up and fella awkwardly. He sat for a moment and stretched hands to toes. Whistle went, he was up and looked to be walking off fine from the clip shown of him on RTÉ. I’d reckoned it to be minor damage but maybe it has turned out to be more. That’s over 4 weeks now, I’d have thought he’d be back in the mix now |
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2019 19:13:36 GMT
The Tyrone thread has just been locked, so am not wasting my prepared post. Slight deviation in topic focus, a positive one Just back to Sunday briefly and a couple of Clifford moments that warmed the heart. First the roar to the crowd when equalizing at 0-12 to 0-12. Second coring Kerry’s final point with his right foot whilst being challenged and then just raising both arms aloft as it dropped over the bar. Class. Loved it. Why is it locked? One for Control to answer Southy. Check the icon on the Kerry v Tyrone thread |
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Post by Control5 on Aug 14, 2019 19:20:29 GMT
The debate had moved to who should play in the final and its easier to have it all in this thread. Easier to moderate that is.
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 14, 2019 19:26:53 GMT
I'm after reading the last few pages and my head hurts. More conspiracy theories than JFK assassination ,the amount of guys who claim to know things as fact is amazing. You seem angrier that you actually made the final.
Either way Best of luck in the Final lads, i really hope it's a good game and no major refereeing talking points.
I hope football does the talking. You have a fine young team with some exceptional players and a wily coach .
As for the game I know Dublin will remember Tralee as its still a sore point with one or two ,Kerry equally will have got confidence from that game.
Id expect this game to be full blooded .
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Post by kerrycanuck on Aug 14, 2019 20:23:10 GMT
Agree 100%. It's getting embarrassing at this stage. Set up a separate thread if ye want to discuss the ref. Yes he screwed us in 2016 but nothing we can do about that now. Would prefer if the media were focused on Dubs doing the 5 in a row. Closer this game gets, more confident I am. Had a look back at 2016 game last night. Dublin defense almost exactly the same apart from McCaffrey. Cian O Sullivan also will not start the final. We have a very fresh young, hungry team. We can do this and the Dubs know that. Match ups will be crucial. Very hard to have a good match up for Con, Mannion, Kilkenny and Rock. Then you have to worry about Howard is just a super all rounder. So far thinking Morley on Con Tom Sull on Mannion Foley on Rock Crowley on Kilkenny Would switch Morley to Mannion purely on physicality with Tom on Con O’C - need our best man marker on their most dangerous forward; Paul Murphy to pick up Scully with Enright/O’Beaglaoi to shadow Howard. Con is an absolute beast of a player. I'm sure Tom Sull could do a good job on him and to be honest is like a limpet. He is such a huge plus for us this year. Going to be a Rolls Royce of a player for us for a decade to come. I worry about the kickouts going to Howard if Murphy/BOB is picking him up. Would Enright be better on Howard? They have so many scary options up front. Then we get to midfield where I think 100% we have to use 1 sub early to track Fenton. It's basically a two man job to try to limit his influence. I would make the change shortly after half time. Question is who starts on him. He will probably go with Spillane. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2019 20:55:58 GMT
If Kerry leave an unmanned acre in front of Con it will be curtains pretty early.
Should Kerry try to do what EF did in 2014.... not pretty but effective.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 14, 2019 20:57:33 GMT
If Kerry leave an unmanned acre in front of Con it will be curtains pretty early. Should Kerry try to do what EF did in 2014.... not pretty but effective. That was against Donegal. Shouldn't work against Dublin and would not see Kerry scoring enough. Dublin have many, many main threats, not just one. The tactics for the final will almost have to be psychological as much as... tactical. |
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Post by oldschool on Aug 14, 2019 21:08:07 GMT
In the 1980s Vincent Brownes monthly "Magill" Magazine used to have brilliant articles now and then on GAA matters. There was a brilliant episode on Kevin Heffernan for example. I clearly remember one by David Walsh in or around 1987 about the plight facing Kerry to rebuild with no success at underage to draw on. He said "Of all the All Irelands that Kerry have won, the next one will be the hardest won"....or words to that effect. A long spell under Corks thumb followed. It is very strange now, after a rake of successful minors, to think that the next one won may well be the hardest won of all. And to say that with Kerry in the final. We live in strange times in many respects. Everything is teed up for Dublins coronation nicely. Kerry will turn up and give their best hopefully. It may not be enough. No neutral i speak to gives them a chance. The pressure is off them. They play with huge pride in the jersey and deserve our full support. Ciarrai Abu Well said Mickmack |
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Post by john4 on Aug 14, 2019 21:12:10 GMT
If Kerry leave an unmanned acre in front of Con it will be curtains pretty early. Should Kerry try to do what EF did in 2014.... not pretty but effective. he got 2 of the softest goals ever scored in Croke Park against Mayo in the semi final. Lee Keegan was absolutely shocking for both of them. Keegan is, nor ever was a good inside defender, don't even know why he was on Callaghan that close to goal. I think we'd make a better hand of him. |
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Post by southward on Aug 14, 2019 21:25:16 GMT
It's going to be ok, lads. Somebody wasn't paying attention in history class...
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Post by dc84 on Aug 14, 2019 21:42:24 GMT
If Kerry leave an unmanned acre in front of Con it will be curtains pretty early. Should Kerry try to do what EF did in 2014.... not pretty but effective. he got 2 of the softest goals ever scored in Croke Park against Mayo in the semi final. Lee Keegan was absolutely shocking for both of them. Keegan is, nor ever was a good inside defender, don't even know why he was on Callaghan that close to goal. I think we'd make a better hand of him. O Callaghan is impressive when on form sets up a fair bit and can score goals. He isn't better than mcshane though ,mcshane carried Tyrone with scores this year in a worse team (especially footpassing wise) and scored a lot more than him in the championship. Morley will ,if we aren't overrun elsewhere hold his own against him I have no doubt it's the spread of heavy scorers that dublin have that will be the real issue. Their middle eight is the big difference Howard, Kilkenny mccaffrey and especially Fenton. I worry about Howard in particular as I'm not sure who we have other than Crowley to handle him (Murphy will take scully). These last two games and donegal is where we have and will miss the killorglin Crowley he was born to mark the likes of Murphy,Donnelly and o Callaghan. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 14, 2019 21:46:07 GMT
Howard turns and goes in the middle of the pitch like Paul Geaney against club players.
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Post by kerrycanuck on Aug 14, 2019 21:47:03 GMT
Con is in a totally different class to McShane in my opinion.
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2019 22:36:47 GMT
If Kerry leave an unmanned acre in front of Con it will be curtains pretty early. Should Kerry try to do what EF did in 2014.... not pretty but effective. he got 2 of the softest goals ever scored in Croke Park against Mayo in the semi final. Lee Keegan was absolutely shocking for both of them. Keegan is, nor ever was a good inside defender, don't even know why he was on Callaghan that close to goal. I think we'd make a better hand of him. Think that sells Con a bit short. First one with Keegan slipping was soft but brilliant finish. The second was paved with a brilliant dummy, I think would have sold most defenders and again a brilliant finish. The ruthless mindset is what’s most admirable |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 14, 2019 22:38:30 GMT
he got 2 of the softest goals ever scored in Croke Park against Mayo in the semi final. Lee Keegan was absolutely shocking for both of them. Keegan is, nor ever was a good inside defender, don't even know why he was on Callaghan that close to goal. I think we'd make a better hand of him. Think that sells Con a bit short. First one with Keegan slipping was soft but brilliant finish. The second was paved with a brilliant dummy, I think would have sold most defenders and again a brilliant finish. The ruthless mindset is what’s most admirable Con's approach is Setanta Ó hAilpín-like: first instinct is to make straight for goal. |
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Post by fitz on Aug 14, 2019 22:45:57 GMT
Think that sells Con a bit short. First one with Keegan slipping was soft but brilliant finish. The second was paved with a brilliant dummy, I think would have sold most defenders and again a brilliant finish. The ruthless mindset is what’s most admirable Con's approach is Setanta Ó hAilpín-like: first instinct is to make straight for goal. The problem is it’s not just Con who has that approach, 9 or 10 others in the team have similar aspirations once ball is in hand. Even that barreling buffalo McAuley, very hard to stop and can break multiple tackles, a real awkward Huss |
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Post by Hicser on Aug 14, 2019 22:47:34 GMT
One aspect that caught us last year was our intensity. We were very flat in the super 8s.
This year I think we have also suffered at times, Cork definitely, 2nd half against Mayo but understandably so. I think we should have beaten Donegal.
Against Tyrone there was a flatness in the first half.
Now for the Dubs it’s 80 minutes of intensity, there is no room for slackness or lethargic behavior.
I was looking st Clifford, once the ball is lost he doesn’t attempt to put much pressure on the defenders. I’m wondering has he been given a pass on this?
This is physiological we need the starting 15 at 100% and the subs at the same tempo, it’s keeping this for the 80 that will get us there.
Dublin don’t entirely play the full 80 but up the high intensity, really it’s in the 3rd to early 4th quarters,
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 14, 2019 23:03:55 GMT
Will spend the next few weeks convincing myself Kerry can win.
Will require plenty porter Saturday night to get in the right frame of mind.
I'll drink to a good Kerry performance on Sunday, but I'll hit the M8 at some stage on Sunday if things have gone south.
A great year for the Kerry seniors no matter what.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 14, 2019 23:11:14 GMT
this has got totally out of hand , some lad setting up a protest at Fitzgerald Stadium apparently - embarrassing stuff. Right lads, own up. I know it's not me so which one of us is it? Seriously though, the deal is done so let's forget about it. At least McQuillan's not involved. When I had that flagged to me I looked and there were actually 34 people who expressed Interest in the protest |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 14, 2019 23:13:12 GMT
Alan Brogan has some crack in the Indo - all he is saying is that one of Dublin's tactics was to hit Mayo with the element of surprise, and yes,. a few more we bits, and game over.
Like we will do, they will also try other tactics and it will be down to who is in control.
I don't buy this rubbish of Kerry history, it is far more than that and we have it and it will also come into play, Gavin has never seen it because we haven't had the panel to effect it but once it takes grip then let's them get out of it.
The closer it gets the more I think we will turn 'em over nicely.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 14, 2019 23:15:11 GMT
To be fair, the talk this week should be about the hurling final rather than the football one You have been contributing quite a bit to this thread. Haven't heard you say too much about the hurling. Maybe you could start your own thread about it. |
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Post by john4 on Aug 15, 2019 0:03:40 GMT
This protest that's planned for Saturday is going to be mortifyingly embarrassing.
I sincerely hope that it doesn't go ahead.
The event planned by the county board on Saturday is primarily for kids and families and it's totally wrong if it's hijacked by a protest.
A protest would be covered by the national media, and portrayed in a way which will only be damaging to the county.
At this point the appointment has been made. It's over
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Post by Walter Mitty on Aug 15, 2019 1:54:01 GMT
Ballythefireside summed it up nicely. The closer it gets the more confident I’m growing. This Dublin team have being pushed to the limits by Kerry and mayo over the past 4 years that completely de-bunks the myth they are unbeatable. - a combination of ability (what a team they are) and a bitta luck (referee or otherwise) has seen them scrap over the line on more than one occasion
Not being home for this kills me!
Ps the protest is a bloody embarrassment to the county. I’m presuming it’s a p@@s take and not going ahead?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 4:01:10 GMT
To be fair, the talk this week should be about the hurling final rather than the football one You have been contributing quite a bit to this thread. Haven't heard you say too much about the hurling. Maybe you could start your own thread about it. Looks like you are a little upset that I pulled you up on your great conspiracy theory about Michael D. Poor thing 😂😂😂 Why don’t you contact Gemma o Doherty and arrange your protest 😛😛😛 You actually missed the point being made as a result. The point about the hurling relates to the wider media not the Kerry GAA forum |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 4:26:19 GMT
This protest that's planned for Saturday is going to be mortifyingly embarrassing. I sincerely hope that it doesn't go ahead. The event planned by the county board on Saturday is primarily for kids and families and it's totally wrong if it's hijacked by a protest. A protest would be covered by the national media, and portrayed in a way which will only be damaging to the county. At this point the appointment has been made. It's over I would think this will get little coverage. It is crackpot stuff to be protesting and even the media should see this and ignore it. Generally Irish people are great at moaning down the pub or on forums but we are not a nation of protestors. I blame the weather!! |
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Post by buck02 on Aug 15, 2019 5:41:44 GMT
Dublin scored 3.14 against Mayo and 2.17 in the final last year. The year they beat us in the semi final they scored 0.22.
So given normal weather conditions, Kerry are going to need to score 24/25/26 to win the final.
So we would need to score around 4.12/4.13 or 3.15/3.16 to win if they reach their expected score.
Over to you Seanie, Clifford, Geaney, O Brien, Spillane, Tommy, James O and Co.
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Post by stuckintipp on Aug 15, 2019 6:37:10 GMT
It’s all about goal scoring chances, Dublin create 5/6 per game and usual score about 3. These are often very good clear chances created by fast counter attacks, with a perfectly timed pass into a player bursting through the middle, these chances are unstoppable.
Paul Murphys positioning in the semi final might have been so to prevent Tyrone scoring these type of goals, his ‘sweeping’ did little to prevent ball into the Tyrone full forward line but it certainly gave up no goal chances, when he moved at half time goal did create a few goal chances.
If it comes to a point kicking match we’ll beat the Dubs, we have better point scoring forwards, if Dublin score 2 goals or more, we’re goosed. Our goal creating skills need a small bit of improvement to get into Dublin’s standard.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 15, 2019 6:57:06 GMT
Kerry scored three goals in the first half in 2013 but it wasn't enough.
Of more importance is that Kerry play for 80 minutes and score points after the 70 minutes is on the clock.
Kerry probably can't weather a Dublin blitz.
However if Kerry can defend like dogs all around the pitch - and with intelligence- I have no problem seeing Kerry try and win a shootout.
If Kerry go negative, they lose.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 15, 2019 7:33:28 GMT
Dublin are a brilliant team. No obvious weaknesses.
Mayo's semi final game was their 7th in 8 weeks. The only break was a two week one before the Donegal game so Mayo were as wrecked facing Dublin as they were coming to Killarney. More so perhaps. Mayo game with Donegal was a massive effort while Dublin second string played Tyrone.
Mayo did well in the first half v Dublin but we do not know whether Dublin were holding back. The half time break came at the wrong time for Mayo.
Kerry will be a young, fresh opponent and hopefully this business about the ref will not effect their performance.
At some point Dublin will try to turn the screw and I am confident that Shane Ryan will keep his head unlike Rob Hennelly when he kicked a succession of poor kickouts which Fenton etc gobbled up. Kerrys last score v Tyrone by contrast was from a well worked Kerry kickout when the pressure was really on.
I am hoping that PK will come up with some defensive plan to put bodies around the D to stop goals. That is crucial.
Mannion seems to be the only Dublin player allowed to attempt for points from anywhere as he is so good. Everyone else must be in near the D to ensure the point is taken. Can this necklace of handpassing around the D by Dublin be disrupted. For 80 minutes?
There is so much for Kerry to get right with a young team against such a formidable experienced opponent.
Dublin may well be 10 points a better team than everyone. We dont know yet. Kerry and Dublin both beat a tired Mayo side. There is no yardstick to see how good Dublin are just now. There hasnt been since the 2017 final.
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