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Post by kerryboy83 on Aug 24, 2019 13:35:58 GMT
Not sure is it true to say Dublin "coped with the Donaghy threat" in 2015. I would cope with it too if I could foul him all day and eye gouge him. Donaghy was blatantly pulled to the ground that day and Goldrick looked straight at it. Gough will be the same way. You will nearly have to be broken in two before he gives a penalty
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 24, 2019 14:45:09 GMT
Not sure is it true to say Dublin "coped with the Donaghy threat" in 2015. I would cope with it too if I could foul him all day and eye gouge him. Donaghy was blatantly pulled to the ground that day and Goldrick looked straight at it. Gough will be the same way. You will nearly have to be broken in two before he gives a penalty Gough gave Michael Murphy a penalty up in Castlebar this year that many referees probably wouldn't have given.
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Post by mossie on Aug 24, 2019 15:26:19 GMT
Over a week away
I may be in a minority but I would start Tommy Walsh
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 24, 2019 15:27:30 GMT
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 24, 2019 15:57:47 GMT
Over a week away I may be in a minority but I would start Tommy Walsh That was my thinking as well, but I’m having second thoughts. I think we need to try a few different game plans and keep them guessing. Dublin will be well prepared for Tommy so perhaps we throw a different curve ball and throw Tommy in when the game has opened up. And no doubt Dublin will have one or two of their own surprises. I think they will target our full back line and goalkeeper with some high balls.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 24, 2019 16:26:27 GMT
Debatable about Tommy Walsh. My idea would be to hold him, see how game pans out and make decision then. . We must trust PK. We have a few combinations to consider and indeed our bench is strong enough. I have a concern about Shane Ryan and another concern about kickouts. (At both ends) Very clear strategy is needed around positions for re starts. It’s all very fine deciding here who should start but we do not know Dublin starting 15. That’s why I say keep powder dry until we see Dubs game plan
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 24, 2019 16:55:46 GMT
Debatable about Tommy Walsh. My idea would be to hold him, see how game pans out and make decision then. . We must trust PK. We have a few combinations to consider and indeed our bench is strong enough. I have a concern about Shane Ryan and another concern about kickouts. (At both ends) Very clear strategy is needed around positions for re starts. It’s all very fine deciding here who should start but we do not know Dublin starting 15. That’s why I say keep powder dry until we see Dubs game plan Look you've been going on about kickouts we all know how important they are. If you actually watch Shane Ryan you will see he has a very good kickout. The general kickout strategy is between him and the other 14 players. BTW I would look to bring on Tommy Walsh early in the second half.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 24, 2019 17:30:53 GMT
Yes I have been going on about kickouts and I really don’t mean to wreck heads about it BUT it is so so important to get them right. Hard on any goalie if backs don’t give options. How is it that Cluxton usually gets a Dub for quick re start.. . I also hope that discipline is practiced by Kerry. We all know how Dean Rock scores from frees and also I hope I don’t see 13m advantage being given bi ref for back chat or not retreating in time. All the small things add up and we surely can do with every chance we get.. we all behind our team Fir na Ríochta Abú
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 24, 2019 20:39:07 GMT
As long as Gaelic football is played, the 1955 All-Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry will be used as one of the definitive examples of that old truism that you should never write off a Kerry team. I am old enough to remember more of the detail of that famous occasion than I have a right to expect; the build-up, the rumours, the star names of both teams, the different styles and of course the radio commentary. The Dublin team was regarded by most 'experts' as being practically invincible. Full forward, Kevin Heffernan had developed a new ‘roving’ style of play that was revolutionary at a time when contesting 50/50 balls was seen as the essence of Gaelic football. His tactic of moving out the field was seen as anatomy of that fundamental responsibility to the game. It had worked in the semi-final and a Kerry team, trapped in a time warp, would be destroyed. History tells us that our boys won that day despite all the ballyhoo about the superiority of the Metropolitans. Six points from Tadghie Lyne sent Kerry on their way to their 18th All-Ireland title. They would do the same in 1975 under many of the same circumstances. The performances of those Kerry teams of ‘55 and ‘75 have made a fine cushion for my old age and some of the great highlights of my life revolve around the very special times I was fortunate enough to share with a special generation of people that I am privileged to belong to. As I grew older and had a family of my own I began to realise the importance of this generation in my life - a rare breed of men and women who did not know when they were beaten. I was fortunate once to have an insightful conversation with a legendary great Kerry footballer who was minded to speak honestly to me at that time. His self-confidence resonates with me to this day. He told me that he never expected to lose. Even when he was the underdog, he still prepared his victory speech. If I were fortunate enough to have the privilege to speak our boys before they go out to play on Sunday I think I would probably say: - There is something that the people of Kerry want you men to know: They are proud of you all to a man and believe we can do this. Remember who you are. You wear the green and gold geansai. You have Kerry across your chest. That means something. You're Kerry men and this is our game. We are underdogs today, but in our greatest moments of success, we were always the underdog. Today is a great day to be the footballer you always believed you would be. Go out on that field and become one of that rare team of men who do not know when they are beaten. Today is one of those occasions when you must give 100 percent all the time, not just when you feel like it. Don't let those guys take these things from you. Remember who you are and give the people of Kerry something we can’t get in any other way. Go out on that field, spit on your hands and get busy. Get the ####### job done” Some would have you believe that Dublin of today is a team that would cause mere mortals to despair, and are, once more, such hot favourites that it might require the second coming of Christ to dethrone them. Nonetheless, you hear chatter all over our county about how it could happen “this year.” and we nurse faith in our troops and hope of victory. At least we are not burdened by the superstitions that weigh so heavily on others. Nevertheless, I will bend my arthritic knees and pray to the Carpenter’s Son again tonight, as I have always done. Ciarrai Abu. Great post, uplifting.
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Post by bordello on Aug 24, 2019 21:15:13 GMT
All fantastic analysis and great plans/match ups etc against the Dubs but not one of us has thought "what will Dublins match ups be against us?" A lot of what's been said is based on Dublin being as they were, I think Dublin may have another trick or two to show. I Still believe the best chance we have to beat Dublin will be to have two different game plans for each half with secondary ones depending on if they work. Just can't let us be read too easily by Dublin.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 24, 2019 21:23:05 GMT
All fantastic analysis and great plans/match ups etc against the Dubs but not one of us has thought "what will Dublins match ups be against us?" A lot of what's been said is based on Dublin being as they were, I think Dublin may have another trick or two to show. I Still believe the best chance we have to beat Dublin will be to have two different game plans for each half with secondary ones depending on if they work. Just can't let us be read too easily by Dublin. Check my post 4 hours ago
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Post by bordello on Aug 24, 2019 22:00:29 GMT
All fantastic analysis and great plans/match ups etc against the Dubs but not one of us has thought "what will Dublins match ups be against us?" A lot of what's been said is based on Dublin being as they were, I think Dublin may have another trick or two to show. I Still believe the best chance we have to beat Dublin will be to have two different game plans for each half with secondary ones depending on if they work. Just can't let us be read too easily by Dublin. Check my post 4 hours ago
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Post by bordello on Aug 24, 2019 22:18:07 GMT
We're still ignoring what Dublin may do to stifle us. What if Costello starts or Connolly, cant see McMahon or O'Carroll starting. Think they may have better options off the bench to thwart our style. Relying a lot on Tommy to change the game by starting or coming on. Personally I can't see us blitzing them but can see it being close and hopefully we're there abouts at the 70 minute mark. My September holiday is banking on us +5 with Mr Power.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 24, 2019 22:54:41 GMT
I’d be very happy to see Connolly starting. Can’t see it though.
Think Kerry will try and choke the middle third and try and deny Dublin space to move the ball into the scoring zone. See Mayo game for an example. Although Dublin are a lot better than Mayo and won’t be as easy to keep out.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 24, 2019 22:59:49 GMT
For those who are put off my long articles on here, may I suggest you make an exception for mandads about a quarter the ways down page 19 here - jazus but you would never know who you'd be in the company of, and said article may well go down as the contribution of the year.
As regards team selection, hard to even guess it, moreover without access to training - well maybe we can guess but that's all it is. Some even talk of when to introduce lads - sure PK wouldn't even know that. No harm in it but let's be realistic.
I was chatting to a Co Down stalwart and he believes it is 50:50, and the same man calls it as he sees it, and he had a few pointers I'll keep to myself for now.
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Post by piggott on Aug 25, 2019 0:19:19 GMT
Just suppose we start the same team as v Tyrone, we are 1-06 to 0-01 down after 15 minutes. What do you do?
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Post by pintpleasejohn on Aug 25, 2019 1:09:11 GMT
Can anyone see PK throwing a curveball in the shape of say Gavin O Brien for example, someone who would be a sort of cat amongst the pigeons and to make Dublin think on their feet, obviously it’d be throwing someone like him in at the deep end but who knows it could be something left field such as this that could make the difference
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2019 4:22:16 GMT
Can anyone see PK throwing a curveball in the shape of say Gavin O Brien for example, someone who would be a sort of cat amongst the pigeons and to make Dublin think on their feet, obviously it’d be throwing someone like him in at the deep end but who knows it could be something left field such as this that could make the difference Cody did it with it Walter Walsh, 1-3 and MOTM?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 25, 2019 7:50:10 GMT
Presumably subs and the minute they come on is thoroughly considered but not pre-ordained.
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Post by stevieq on Aug 25, 2019 8:54:15 GMT
Does anybody know where the team are staying on Sunday night??
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Post by southward on Aug 25, 2019 9:06:58 GMT
Too much obsessing these days about the opposition. How will the Dubs line up? How do we stop this guy or that guy? Who do we bring on in minute x if Dublin throw on player y? What if the bogey man gets me?
It's a fear mentality and we aint Carlow. How about we just go out and play? Let the others worry about us if they want to. Dublin have quality players, it's true, but so do we.
Relatively little pressure on us this time around; let's keep it that way. I haven't been as relaxed about a big Kerry game since... 1982.
Enjoy.
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Post by fitz on Aug 25, 2019 9:59:35 GMT
Just suppose we start the same team as v Tyrone, we are 1-06 to 0-01 down after 15 minutes. What do you do? Ask the ref to blow up. Seriously though not a scenario to consider.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 25, 2019 10:34:59 GMT
Too much obsessing these days about the opposition. How will the Dubs line up? How do we stop this guy or that guy? Who do we bring on in minute x if Dublin throw on player y? What if the bogey man gets me? It's a fear mentality and we aint Carlow. How about we just go out and play? Let the others worry about us if they want to. Dublin have quality players, it's true, but so do we. Relatively little pressure on us this time around; let's keep it that way. I haven't been as relaxed about a big Kerry game since... 1982. Enjoy. I think the evolution of football in the last 5/10 years shows that we cannot just go out and play - the Dublin press in the 2nd half against Mayo as highlighted here recently shows how the game has changed; I believe we will have prepared for almost all eventualities methodically and will have spent much time on our defensive match ups - to do anything else would amount to football suicide. However, I also believe that we will have a very specific game plan which will be hard to break down - this was one of PK's mantras at the beginning of the year - a team that's hard to beat- I expect us to be more proactive than reactive in this regard and will give Dublin plenty to think about - a lot of this may come in the 2nd half as players are left to figure things out for themselves without the benefit of any down time to analyse changes/tactics. I believe in this team and management - Dublin have not been tested off the pitch to any great degree for quite a while - think this will change next week and there may well be questions posed to which they may not be able to respond to - if that's the case, the game will go down to the wire and the underdogs could well prevail!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 25, 2019 10:55:18 GMT
Too much obsessing these days about the opposition. How will the Dubs line up? How do we stop this guy or that guy? Who do we bring on in minute x if Dublin throw on player y? What if the bogey man gets me? It's a fear mentality and we aint Carlow. How about we just go out and play? Let the others worry about us if they want to. Dublin have quality players, it's true, but so do we. Relatively little pressure on us this time around; let's keep it that way. I haven't been as relaxed about a big Kerry game since... 1982. Enjoy. I think the evolution of football in the last 5/10 years shows that we cannot just go out and play - the Dublin press in the 2nd half against Mayo as highlighted here recently shows how the game has changed; I believe we will have prepared for almost all eventualities methodically and will have spent much time on our defensive match ups - to do anything else would amount to football suicide. However, I also believe that we will have a very specific game plan which will be hard to break down - this was one of PK's mantras at the beginning of the year - a team that's hard to beat- I expect us to be more proactive than reactive in this regard and will give Dublin plenty to think about - a lot of this may come in the 2nd half as players are left to figure things out for themselves without the benefit of any down time to analyse changes/tactics. I believe in this team and management - Dublin have not been tested off the pitch to any great degree for quite a while - think this will change next week and there may well be questions posed to which they may not be able to respond to - if that's the case, the game will go down to the wire and the underdogs could well prevail! Exactly. The last time Dublin just "went out to play" was against Donegal in 2014
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 25, 2019 11:02:51 GMT
How is it still 7 days away?!
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Post by southward on Aug 25, 2019 12:27:00 GMT
I think the evolution of football in the last 5/10 years shows that we cannot just go out and play - the Dublin press in the 2nd half against Mayo as highlighted here recently shows how the game has changed; I believe we will have prepared for almost all eventualities methodically and will have spent much time on our defensive match ups - to do anything else would amount to football suicide. However, I also believe that we will have a very specific game plan which will be hard to break down - this was one of PK's mantras at the beginning of the year - a team that's hard to beat- I expect us to be more proactive than reactive in this regard and will give Dublin plenty to think about - a lot of this may come in the 2nd half as players are left to figure things out for themselves without the benefit of any down time to analyse changes/tactics. I believe in this team and management - Dublin have not been tested off the pitch to any great degree for quite a while - think this will change next week and there may well be questions posed to which they may not be able to respond to - if that's the case, the game will go down to the wire and the underdogs could well prevail! Exactly. The last time Dublin just "went out to play" was against Donegal in 2014 Fair enough but I'm not talking about turning up and hoofing the ball around without a plan. More of a mentality thing; and this goes for supporters too. I'm talking about not worrying about the opposition to the point where it becomes all consuming. Not feeding the myth of Dublin's invincilibity. They've got footballers. we've got footballers. Let's roll. And believe. That's all.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 25, 2019 13:37:46 GMT
For those who are put off my long articles on here, may I suggest you make an exception for mandads about a quarter the ways down page 19 here - jazus but you would never know who you'd be in the company of, and said article may well go down as the contribution of the year. As regards team selection, hard to even guess it, moreover without access to training - well maybe we can guess but that's all it is. Some even talk of when to introduce lads - sure PK wouldn't even know that. No harm in it but let's be realistic. I was chatting to a Co Down stalwart and he believes it is 50:50, and the same man calls it as he sees it, and he had a few pointers I'll keep to myself for now. Certainly NOT put off by long articles / posts. Keep them coming
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Post by kerry5575 on Aug 25, 2019 15:56:48 GMT
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Post by glengael on Aug 25, 2019 17:40:09 GMT
Dublin are aiming for another 5 in a row next weekend, trying to make it 5 senior championship wins in a row over Kerry. 2011, 2013,2015, 2016...
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 25, 2019 17:42:11 GMT
Dublin are aiming for another 5 in a row next weekend, trying to make it 5 senior championship wins in a row over Kerry. 2011, 2013,2015, 2016... 2009 is a long time ago alright.
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