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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 14, 2019 12:36:52 GMT
Andrew Barry is well off inter county standard. He looked a fantastic minor but has regressed since. He has a distinct lack of pace which can even be shown up at club level.
Tomás O'Sé was injured but is back now. He played a part in the Comortas Peile Na Gaeltachta and is inside training with the panel. I think he is a great option for the full forward line from the bench. He always wants the ball and brings great pace and directness to the attack. I don't think any tired defender would like to see him coming on!
JOD is unavailable for the Munster final but everyone else is set to be available.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 14, 2019 14:25:01 GMT
You would imagine Moynihan should get back in with sob to the corner
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 14, 2019 19:46:35 GMT
You cannot point at success at one level and state categorically that it will translate to another. Clearly, minor success doesn’t always translate to senior success and the most recent history of our u20 and u21 is not very encouraging (accepting the unavailability of a few of the better lads). On average, you get one or two decent players from any minor team – if you are lucky. Underage success is great, but it isn't an infallible barometer for future senior success. There are so many influences in the development of young lads that will come in the equation and right now I fear that we may be expecting too much from our minor achievements. Perhaps our development system, with all its merits, is giving us false optimism. Good post. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 14, 2019 21:57:19 GMT
The lack of success at under 21/20 would be a worry for further success a senior level despite the outrageous success at under 18/17 over the last few years.
I dont see a similar period of dominance for us coming anytime soon at senior level. We will still be there or thereabouts. Obviously I hope I am very wrong.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 14, 2019 22:19:43 GMT
You cannot point at success at one level and state categorically that it will translate to another. Clearly, minor success doesn’t always translate to senior success and the most recent history of our u20 and u21 is not very encouraging (accepting the unavailability of a few of the better lads). On average, you get one or two decent players from any minor team – if you are lucky. Underage success is great, but it isn't an infallible barometer for future senior success. There are so many influences in the development of young lads that will come in the equation and right now I fear that we may be expecting too much from our minor achievements. Perhaps our development system, with all its merits, is giving us false optimism. Good post. I couldn't agree more. Our minor successes were built around Mark O’Connor, David Clifford & Seán O’Shea - we have the latter two with both still so young & a lot to learn - the loss of Mark is incalculable and were he available in a position we are now struggling in, our chances of ultimate honours would be much enhanced. Conversely, the unavailability of O’Shea & DC in 2018 & David Clifford this year to our U-20s is arguably the difference between winning & losing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:54:48 GMT
I doubt any team would have got within six points of Kerry in 2018 if O Shea and Clifford were available
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Post by bannerman on Jun 16, 2019 19:34:40 GMT
I know it a number of years ago but Shane Enright has done excellent man marking jobs on both Brian Hurley and Paul Kerrigan in the past I hope he is considered again for one these jobs as these two need to be controlled if kerry are to win
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 16, 2019 20:09:08 GMT
I know it a number of years ago but Shane Enright has done excellent man marking jobs on both Brian Hurley and Paul Kerrigan in the past I hope he is considered again for one these jobs as these two need to be controlled if kerry are to win Paul Kerrigan? Maybe 10 years ago.
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Post by greenmen55 on Jun 16, 2019 20:56:31 GMT
I think this years Munster final will be much harder than what we expect it to be. Heard today that cork beat Dublin in a challenge game during the week and they are supposed to be flying at the moment. From our performance against Clare it looked very ordinary and I think if we go into this game thinking we can beat cork by playing the same way we are in for a very rude awakening. I am a bit worried about Saturday evening and think it will be much closer than previous years. If we do come out the wrong side of this game it could be exactly what we need to wake ourselves up and realise that barely scraping results just isn’t good enough and we need a performance to match the result we are getting. I fully understand this team is undergoing a massive turnaround in both players and management and I hope the team starts to click sooner rather than later. We should still have enough to see off cork but I think it will be much closer than previous years....
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jun 16, 2019 22:05:25 GMT
Cork beat Dublin in a challenge game?? Was that Dublin’s 3rd team? Have Kerry played any game since the Clare game?
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Post by john4 on Jun 16, 2019 22:24:05 GMT
Cork beat Dublin in a challenge game?? Was that Dublin’s 3rd team? Have Kerry played any game since the Clare game? Kerry beat Galway by 3 points in a challenge match over a week ago. Thought that was a positive until today!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 16, 2019 22:40:52 GMT
I think Cork beat Roscommon last week in a challenge
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Post by piggott on Jun 16, 2019 22:53:05 GMT
When Cork beat Kerry, we then have to meet a team coming through through backdoor. Win that and we face the Dubs in Croke Park Sat 13th July. 21st July we meet Ulster runners up or team that beats em again in Croke Park. Then we meet Roscommon in Killarney Sunday 4th August. Into semi final, win that, Kerry v Dubs in final ??
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Post by ballhopper34 on Jun 17, 2019 0:18:04 GMT
Or, if Kerry beat Cork, we meet the winner of Galway's next game on 13/14 July in Killarney. The following weekend we would meet the Ulster champions in Croke Park. on 3/4 August our last game will be on the road versus the Leinster runner up or the team that beats them in the final qualifier game...could be in Navan, Omagh, Castlebar, Clones depending on the draws.
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Post by taggert on Jun 17, 2019 6:22:44 GMT
Anyone know who is definitely out through injury for Sat nite. Crowley JOD??? Paul Murphy??? Moran??? T Walsh??? D Moynihan??? Others
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Post by taibhse on Jun 17, 2019 7:33:53 GMT
Anyone know who is definitely out through injury for Sat nite. Crowley JOD??? Paul Murphy??? Moran??? T Walsh??? D Moynihan??? Others J. O'D - needs a bit more time. Won't be risked. Everyone else available.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 17, 2019 10:44:56 GMT
For my money I think we need to be wary of three of corks forwards namely Hurley Collins and deane (he was killing us until black card last yr) who would people see matching up?
I'd have foley on Hurley Tom sull on Collins as i think he will drift out. And Gavin Crowley on deane for the physical matchup. I'd we get parity at mf we will beat them well they don't have the defenders to stop us running up a good score. With Moran and Barry back I think we will do enough
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 17, 2019 10:49:52 GMT
For my money I think we need to be wary of three of corks forwards namely Hurley Collins and o Rourke (he was killing us until black card last yr) who would people see matching up? I'd have foley on Hurley Tom sull on Collins as i think he will drift out. And Gavin Crowley on o Rourke for the physical matchup. I'd we get parity at mf we will beat them well they don't have the defenders to stop us running up a good score. With Moran and Barry back I think we will do enough Do you not mean Ruairi Deane who was black carded? He started semi final vs Limerick @ 11.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 17, 2019 11:18:43 GMT
I do of course apologies!
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Post by buck02 on Jun 18, 2019 10:03:49 GMT
If James O Donoghue is the only player certainly out, what kind of team are we looking at for Saturday?
Ryan Foley Morley Tom Sullivan Murphy Sherwood White Moran Barry Diarmuid O Connor Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Clifford Geaney O Brien
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 18, 2019 10:19:41 GMT
If James O Donoghue is the only player certainly out, what kind of team are we looking at for Saturday? Ryan Foley Morley Tom Sullivan Murphy Sherwood White Moran Barry Diarmuid O Connor Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Clifford Geaney O Brien Yes, Crowley might hold his spot at wing back at the expense of White but otherwise I think that’s the team.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 18, 2019 12:15:27 GMT
If James O Donoghue is the only player certainly out, what kind of team are we looking at for Saturday? Ryan Foley Morley Tom Sullivan Murphy Sherwood White Moran Barry Diarmuid O Connor Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Clifford Geaney O Brien Seems most likely starting 15 albeit I have my doubts with Sherwood - was found out @ full back in league final , not sure he is an inter county Centre back - however, with most teams dropping a player into defence, the sweeper role suits him.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 18, 2019 12:15:55 GMT
If James O Donoghue is the only player certainly out, what kind of team are we looking at for Saturday? Ryan Foley Morley Tom Sullivan Murphy Sherwood White Moran Barry Diarmuid O Connor Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Clifford Geaney O Brien Yes, Crowley might hold his spot at wing back at the expense of White but otherwise I think that’s the team. That could well be the team picked. But, based on current form only Clifford is guaranteed to get you 3+ points in the game and Sean O'Shea from frees. For all the hype I think their is a real paucity about our options in the full forward line in terms of getting scores on the board and there has been for the last number years. Our top scores from play last year were Clifford: 3-15 Paul Geaney 2-12 JOD 1-6 Sean O'Shea 0-5 SOB 1-2 Jack Barry 0-4 BJK 0-4 Paul Geaney got 2-5 in the turkey shoot against cork. Last year we played clare,cork,galway,monaghan and kildare
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Post by parishexile on Jun 18, 2019 12:25:49 GMT
Ryan Foley Morley Murphy Tom Sullivan Sherwood G. Crowley J. Barry G. White D. O' Connor S. O' Shea A. Spillane D. Moynihan Clifford S. O' Brien
Subs: Moran, P. Geaney, Enright, Griffin, Lyne...
However will be something similar to previous post
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 18, 2019 14:00:18 GMT
Yes, Crowley might hold his spot at wing back at the expense of White but otherwise I think that’s the team. That could well be the team picked. But, based on current form only Clifford is guaranteed to get you 3+ points in the game and Sean O'Shea from frees. For all the hype I think their is a real paucity about our options in the full forward line in terms of getting scores on the board and there has been for the last number years. Our top scores from play last year were Clifford: 3-15 Paul Geaney 2-12 JOD 1-6 Sean O'Shea 0-5 SOB 1-2 Jack Barry 0-4 BJK 0-4 Paul Geaney got 2-5 in the turkey shoot against cork. Last year we played clare,cork,galway,monaghan and kildare Yes I think our much vaunted forward line need to deliver this year. In fairness they were living off scraps at times last year once we got out of Munster. Geaney has not looked himself for a while, I don’t know if it is injury related or not. Perhaps a front two of Clifford and O’Brien might be the best option in the short term? Steven normally has a deeper role but he played in the inside line at times during the league and was impressive I thought. His pace is a nightmare for defenders and he can take a score. Sean o’Shea also plays very deep at times and gets dragged in to midfield and the half back line, I’d prefer him closer to the posts myself. Easier said than done in modern football I know.
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Post by tonydorigo on Jun 18, 2019 14:13:00 GMT
Ryan Foley Morley Murphy Tom Sullivan Sherwood G. Crowley J. Barry G. White D. O' Connor S. O' Shea A. Spillane D. Moynihan Clifford S. O' Brien Subs: Moran, P. Geaney, Enright, Griffin, Lyne... However will be something similar to previous post Gavin White midfield? Is this meant to be offset but DOC and A Spillane at half forwards? Don't think Murphy should be in the corner either. Funny going into a Munster final and actually having no idea what the team will be!!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 18, 2019 14:50:57 GMT
If we could spare him I would play Murphy at center forward and move Sean O'Shea to full forward. Let him play out around the fringes of the D as far as the 45. He can kick a score but, he is too far back in the play a lot of the time. I have seen him a lot with UCC this year and his best scoring games were when he didnt go as deep and was available on the loop.
Clifford in one corner and SOB in the other if JOD isnt fit.
Half forward line of DOC Murphy and Moynihan. Moynihan and Murphy to break everything and scrap on the ground for it.
It wont happen though. Who is the captain on Saturday? Gavin white if he plays?
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2019 14:52:38 GMT
If James O Donoghue is the only player certainly out, what kind of team are we looking at for Saturday? Ryan Foley Morley Tom Sullivan Murphy Sherwood White Moran Barry Diarmuid O Connor Sean O Shea Dara Moynihan Clifford Geaney O Brien Seems most likely starting 15 albeit I have my doubts with Sherwood - was found out @ full back in league final , not sure he is an inter county Centre back - however, with most teams dropping a player into defence, the sweeper role suits him. Agree that the sweeper "type" role could suit Jack Sherwood. It is something he could grow in to. I thought he did very well in the first round v Clare.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 18, 2019 15:01:01 GMT
If we could spare him I would play Murphy at center forward and move Sean O'Shea to full forward. Let him play out around the fringes of the D as far as the 45. He can kick a score but, he is too far back in the play a lot of the time. I have seen him a lot with UCC this year and his best scoring games were when he didnt go as deep and was available on the loop. Clifford in one corner and SOB in the other if JOD isnt fit. Half forward line of DOC Murphy and Moynihan. Moynihan and Murphy to break everything and scrap on the ground for it. It wont happen though. Who is the captain on Saturday? Gavin white if he plays? That front three of Clifford, O’Brien and O’Shea is what I was getting at above, with O’Shea a bit deeper than the other two. I think that could work. I’m not sure about having Murphy and Moynihan both in the half forwards I think it would make us a bit vulnerable on opposition restarts as neither are big men. Adrian Spillane might be a better fit there, centre forward is essentially a third midfielder role anyway the way Kerry have been setting up.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2019 15:33:38 GMT
Moynihan & Burns are two very classy young players and could force themselves into the starting 15 on the wings before the year is out.
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