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Post by Mickmack on Jun 1, 2019 20:28:23 GMT
so the old firm again.
I went to last years game as PUC was new and DC and SOS were making their debuts.
The ref black carded Corks best player Ruairi Deane after 20 mins and ended the contest there and then.
It was a total non event for me. The saving grace was that I ended up in Niall Cahalanes pub later that night and met the man himself as well as Sean Cavanagh. Donal Og, Young Cahalane the hurler and a few more were there and the atmosphere was good. On the Sunday I saw the Bells of Shandon which i had always wanted to do.
I have never been at a worse non event between Kerry and Cork. The Cork keeper kicked every ball ball down Morans throat.
They couldnt even fix the minor game to end 30 mins before the senior game.
Never again said i.
Since then Cork got relegated to Div 3.
Still, its Kerry v Cork....
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 1, 2019 20:42:17 GMT
Cork are the form team going into this and must be Red hot favourites to win at home. Kerry were ragged tonight in the second half.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 20:55:51 GMT
Clare are a better team than Cork so should be a comfortable victory for Kerry
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Post by mystic86 on Jun 1, 2019 21:34:45 GMT
Has the venue been confirmed?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 21:38:04 GMT
In Cork
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Post by mystic86 on Jun 1, 2019 21:43:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 22:12:50 GMT
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Post by homerj on Jun 2, 2019 8:28:12 GMT
why is it cork, surely its their own tough luck they had no stadium for 3 years?
will it return to killarney next time?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 9:39:21 GMT
Cork could have brought those additional Killarney game to a number of places e.g. Limerick, pairc ui rinn
They didn't on the basis that they would get those games back when their new stadium was available.
That was the deal they struck with the KCB
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Post by piggott on Jun 2, 2019 9:53:33 GMT
Is there any way of avoiding long walk to and from PUC. Uncle with limited mobility.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2019 10:18:43 GMT
Regardless of how Kerry played last night they will still have way to much for Cork. Hard to get excited over this game and really just waiting on the super 8s.
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Post by brucewayne on Jun 2, 2019 12:49:53 GMT
Is there any way of avoiding long walk to and from PUC. Uncle with limited mobility.
There have been bus services put on from the quays to the park for the hurling so far this year so assuming the same service will be available for the final.
Might be best to contact Bus Eireann directly.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2019 13:11:13 GMT
Cork is as contrary a football county as you will ever come across. The 2019 Munster final could be a humdinger, it could be another non-event or Cork might suddenly be all dash and panache and surprisingly beat Kerry before disappearing for the rest of the summer. They’ve been so consistently inconsistent it’s difficult to plan for Cork but plan for them we must with a very wary eye.
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Post by southward on Jun 2, 2019 13:29:27 GMT
Cork is as contrary a football county as you will ever come across. The 2019 Munster final could be a humdinger, it could be another non-event or Cork might suddenly be all dash and panache and surprisingly beat Kerry before disappearing for the rest of the summer. They’ve been so consistently inconsistent it’s difficult to plan for Cork but plan for them we must with a very wary eye. Hopefully they give us a right rattle. Could be just the thing Kerry need, whatever way the result goes.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2019 13:57:04 GMT
Cork is as contrary a football county as you will ever come across. The 2019 Munster final could be a humdinger, it could be another non-event or Cork might suddenly be all dash and panache and surprisingly beat Kerry before disappearing for the rest of the summer. They’ve been so consistently inconsistent it’s difficult to plan for Cork but plan for them we must with a very wary eye. Hopefully they give us a right rattle. Could be just the thing Kerry need, whatever way the result goes. Absolutely!
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Post by Deise Exile on Jun 2, 2019 14:30:18 GMT
Is there any way of avoiding long walk to and from PUC. Uncle with limited mobility. RTE2
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Post by Chinatown on Jun 3, 2019 9:54:04 GMT
Looking forward to trip to New Pairc Ui Chaoimh.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 3, 2019 19:03:41 GMT
At the end of the day its the old firm final, Cork vs Kerry and a lot of convention goes out of the window with this fixture - whatever way it may be dressed up, its a division 1 side and national league finalists against a team who made the drop from division 2 to 3 and anything other than a Kerry win would be a shock, not a surprise.
First round encounters in Munster aside, Kerry will be overwhelming favourites to retain their title and should do so based on the personnel available to them plus the expected improvement from their laboured win over the Banner county - Cork's win over Limerick was expected but not in the manner attained with the 3 goals in the first 12 minutes deciding the encounter.
Kerry will hopefully have learned much from their trip to Ennis and if acted upon should have enough to advance - however this is a big IF especially if the mistakes of the second half are repeated, we could be in trouble. By mistakes, I refer to the positioning of Gavin White @ 4 who added real energy and legs when he sallied up the field - surely if he was positioned in the half back line with Enright at 4 we would have been better served? Likewise, the deployment of Rob Wharton at centre back for a subdued Gavin Crowley did not enhance our position with Wharton looking decidedly uncomfortable at this level.
The injuries to Paul Murphy, Jack Barry and Dara Moynihan have robbed us of much spirit and vitality in the middle third and it exposed us on Sat night - the loss of David Moran too was huge and should he be able to give us his usual 70 minutes on the 22nd its hard to see Cork causing an upset - our forwards gelled well in the second quarter especially James and David ( Clifford) but Paul Geaney's loss of form is a real negative and we must hope that he recovers his verve for the visit to Cork.
Selecting a team is impossible given the injury situation ( Jameso, Tom O'Sull, Sean O'Shea, Jack Barry all on the doubtful list) but if all or some are available, this is the team I would like to see selected.
Shane Ryan
Jason Foley Tadgh Morley Graham O'Sullivan
Paul Murphy Gavin White Tom O'Sullivan
David Moran Jack Barry ( Daniel O'Brien)
Diarmuid O'Connor Seán O'Shea Stephen O'Brien
David Clifford Paul Geaney James O'Donoghue ( Dara Moynihan)
Should James be unavailable I would select Dara with Stephen O'Brien dropping into the defence in a role which he performed so well in the league with Dara going to the half forward line and two inside forwards; Diarmuid O'Connor is an option at midfield but should we not go with this, I think Daniel O'Brien would be worth a go at midfield - he is strong, athletic and a great ball carrier - injury curtailed his involvement in the Sigerson this year yet when he played in the final he was deemed good enough to be selected on the team of the tournament - he could be the perfect foil for David and could provide much needed legs in this area.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 4, 2019 8:30:58 GMT
If anyone doubts Morans value to this kerry team at this stage Saturday night surely showed different. To stand any chance of doing well in the quarters we will need him and Barry back big time
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Post by sleaheadboy on Jun 4, 2019 11:32:32 GMT
Our backs will have to be on top form as the Cork forwards seemed to have a Pep in their step from the highlights on TSG. Hurley seemed back to his best and Rory Deane showed some real class in his ball winning and passing.
Kerry should win but don't think we will have it all our own way. Cork are like a wounded animal and in their back yard will want to try kick start the season
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 4, 2019 11:40:13 GMT
If anyone doubts Morans value to this kerry team at this stage Saturday night surely showed different. To stand any chance of doing well in the quarters we will need him and Barry back big time David Moran is probably Kerry's most valuable player right now..............
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Post by dc84 on Jun 4, 2019 11:44:47 GMT
Our backs will have to be on top form as the Cork forwards seemed to have a Pep in their step from the highlights on TSG. Hurley seemed back to his best and Rory Deane showed some real class in his ball winning and passing. Kerry should win but don't think we will have it all our own way. Cork are like a wounded animal and in their back yard will want to try kick start the season Heard that last year as well if we can't beat cork by 8 plus we are in serious bother to be fair. They beat tipp handy last year also but tipp have regressed massively, limerick are one of the worst teams in the country tbf we played the second best team in Munster on Saturday by a stretch in my opinion. Hurley Deane and Maguire are good players and if we shut them down we should canter to victory.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 4, 2019 12:06:01 GMT
This time last year I dismissed the idea that some on here were putting out about it being Cork in a Munster Final, dangerous animal etc.
That was based on the evidence of what both teams had done in the league and in the early rounds of Munster.
There was always going to be a bounce when a new manager takes charge and I hope now that Kerry are not in a state of plateau.
While I dont expect Cork to beat us, I think this will be the most competitive game between the two since the day of the torrential rain in Killarney.
It is likely we will be going into the Super 8s as Munster Champions with serious question marks hanging over us.
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Post by veteran on Jun 4, 2019 12:40:43 GMT
If anyone doubts Morans value to this kerry team at this stage Saturday night surely showed different. To stand any chance of doing well in the quarters we will need him and Barry back big time David Moran is probably Kerry's most valuable player right now.............. He certainly was missed when he went off and nobody missed him more than Adrian Spillane . I felt Adrian did well in that first half but he needed the physical presence of David for the donkey work and as a consequence was not a factor in the second half. A lot of people are dismissive of Adrian but I feel there is something about him.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 4, 2019 18:27:34 GMT
David Moran is 31 or thereabouts.Has had 2 cruciate injuries. Unlikely to have the full 70 mins in his legs. I think this is where we miss Maher to be honest. If he was fully fit it would be great to split the 70 mins between him and Moran. Jack Barry hasn't kicked on at all and at the moment only seems to play well in a spoiling role when he is given a job to mark someone like Fenton. Diarmuid O'Connor is some prospect but, still is very young and very light. If Kerry are in a 1 point game with a Galway or Donegal in the super 8's with 10 mins left in Croke Park is it really Mark Griffin you want to turn to to bring us home of Moran is spent? He's too jittery when in possession and gives it away too easily. Maybe this can be worked on I don't know.
I don't agree with moving Sean O'Shea out there. While he might get more space there he is further back from goal. And we are creating another problem for ourselves in CHF. Who plays at 11? JOD isn't a centre forward. While he is a good passer etc and can do a job at club level you need someone that can win the breaks as well which Sean O'Shea is well able. He did well enough at corner forward the last day so if he is fit play him there.
Whisper it quietly but, is Paul Geaney in danger of being dropped? Apart from last year against Cork he had a poor campaign and was taken off in Clones if I remember correct. Will Peter Keane go with a 2 man full forward line and look for an extra man in the middle third to buttress midfield and supply the 'bullets' as veteran put it for the snipers inside.
My starting 15 for the MF assuming all are fit, ( And Gavin O'Brien) is still out of favour is:
Ryan Tom O'Sullivan Morley Jason Foley
Murphy Sherwood White
Moran Barry
Diarmuid O'Connor Sean O'Shea Dara Moynihan
David Clifford Stephen O'Brien James O'Donoghue
Diarmuid O'Connor to help out the middle and SOB to drop out to the half forward line as needed.
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Post by taggert on Jun 4, 2019 19:21:05 GMT
Must say I think thats the best team we can put out bar none. A solid and strong central spine right thru it with very good pace in defence either side of Sherwood and Morley. Totally agree re Geaney - think only 1 of he and JOD ought to start with the other finishing. Might get away with playing both against Cork but not in the Super 8s where savage work rate is the order of the day.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 4, 2019 19:22:11 GMT
the loser has to win a qualifier round and wont have a home game in the super 8 till the final game.
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Post by veteran on Jun 4, 2019 19:38:23 GMT
AWB,
I acknowledge your point regarding Sean O'Shea on the forty but if he is going to be refereed like he has been in the two last games his impact is going to be minimal.
The poor form of Paul is a concern but dropping him at present is too much of a shock to my system. He will come good if not asked to do too much donkey work out the field. Surely a strategy can be devised to lessen his outfield adventures.
I had not realised that provincial winners get a home game for the first super eight matches. That is an added incentive to win out in your province.
Does anybody know if Jack Sherwood was replaced on Saturday because of injury?
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Post by taggert on Jun 4, 2019 19:54:11 GMT
AWB, I acknowledge your point regarding Sean O'Shea on the forty but if he is going to be refereed like he has been in the two last games his impact is going to be minimal. The poor form of Paul is a concern but dropping him at present is too much of a shock to my system. He will come good if not asked to do too much donkey work out the field. Surely a strategy can be devised to lessen his outfield adventures. I had not realised that provincial winners get a home game for the first super eight matches. That is an added incentive to win out in your province. Does anybody know if Jack Sherwood was replaced on Saturday because of injury? Think Philly McMahon and Colm Cooper when you think of forwards not doing too much donkey work. A team can't carry forwards who can't do the hard yards anymore - unfortunately, those days are long gone. And based on the teturn from PG over the last 2 years in the big games, the case for continuing to carry him is not strong....
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Post by taibhse on Jun 4, 2019 20:25:18 GMT
Leading up to the game, almost every article that I read had quotes from Paul telling us that there was a new discipline within the squad on an effective tackle and crediting Donie Buckley.
I didn’t see the game live but Kerry Radio credited Paul with several of those fouls. Maybe he is putting pressure on himself but his game is so inconsistent lately that his starting position has to be a selection issue. Nobody doubts his skill set - it's his below-par performances that is the concern.
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