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Post by kerrygold on Jun 25, 2019 20:38:40 GMT
a boycott would be interesting in fairness. I hope it happens Won't happen, no Leinster team is going to boycott the Leinster championship! |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 26, 2019 12:34:45 GMT
As the league was coming to a conclusion , there was optimism about the upcoming All Ireland Championship. Tyrone , Monaghan ,Kerry had beaten Dublin. Mayo were rejuvenated under Horan , Meath in Leinster had been promoted to Div 1. The main Challengers to Dublin in no particular order were Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo with Galway and Donegal as outsiders. Personally i was really looking forward to the championship. Since then Tyrone, Mayo , Galway have lost, Kerry looked very vunerable against Cork and this coupled with Dublin's dismantling of Kildare and Meath seems to have drained a lot of the optimism . Dublin appear to be further ahead of the pack and there seems a greater anger towards Dublin because of this . Talk of Boycotting Leinster , basically people looking for a way to punish Dublin , maybe it will make them feel better about themselves or hide their own short comings i dont know. Guys on here outraged at Dublin ,Mick Mack hoping theirs a boycott of Leinster, others wanting Dublin split . Ill ask this , after you beat us fairly in Tralee in the League, was there all this outrage. D I think a league game in winter is irrelevant and you know that. Kerry V Dublin in championship is generally a good game, however, the anger involved isn't directed by Kerry towards Dublin. It's in Leinster. I live in Kildare and have been involved in GAA here for a long time. My club is a small rural club, struggling, as with most rural clubs and it certainly does add to resentment when the rest of the counties in Leinster got €1.8 million in funding last year, which roughly equates to €164,000 each. Dublin got €1.2 million in funding. For Dublin management and for the GAA president to say that other counties need to get their house in order and get to Dublin's level is, quite simply, horse*e, as they say up this way. We have coaches, volunteers, teachers, parents etc here too, as do every other county in Leinster. We don't have the coaches in schools, at primary or post primary. Why? Money, simple as. It's not as if the same level of endeavour doesn't into underage GAA in Kildare either.At minor level, Kildare have been in 7 of the last 8 Leinster finals, have been very competitive at u20 level, winning the All Ireland last year. Until counties in Leinster are at a level playing field, then the levels of resentment towards Dublin will only increase, in my opinion. Dublin have it every way, including at super 8's level where they are the only team to have 2 games at home. |
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Post by jackiel on Jun 26, 2019 13:14:21 GMT
I know there is great work being done in Leinster with regard to putting GPO's in clubs, the problem is that not all clubs can afford to pay the salary required to get one. My club have had a GPO for the last 2 year's , Leinster council pays 1/3 of his salary and the club have to fundraise to pay the rest.
Smaller clubs may struggle to find the funds on top of all the other expenses involved in the day to day running of a club.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 26, 2019 19:06:41 GMT
As the league was coming to a conclusion , there was optimism about the upcoming All Ireland Championship. Tyrone , Monaghan ,Kerry had beaten Dublin. Mayo were rejuvenated under Horan , Meath in Leinster had been promoted to Div 1. The main Challengers to Dublin in no particular order were Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo with Galway and Donegal as outsiders. Personally i was really looking forward to the championship. Since then Tyrone, Mayo , Galway have lost, Kerry looked very vunerable against Cork and this coupled with Dublin's dismantling of Kildare and Meath seems to have drained a lot of the optimism . Dublin appear to be further ahead of the pack and there seems a greater anger towards Dublin because of this . Talk of Boycotting Leinster , basically people looking for a way to punish Dublin , maybe it will make them feel better about themselves or hide their own short comings i dont know. Guys on here outraged at Dublin ,Mick Mack hoping theirs a boycott of Leinster, others wanting Dublin split . Ill ask this , after you beat us fairly in Tralee in the League, was there all this outrage. D I think a league game in winter is irrelevant and you know that. Kerry V Dublin in championship is generally a good game, however, the anger involved isn't directed by Kerry towards Dublin. It's in Leinster. I live in Kildare and have been involved in GAA here for a long time. My club is a small rural club, struggling, as with most rural clubs and it certainly does add to resentment when the rest of the counties in Leinster got €1.8 million in funding last year, which roughly equates to €164,000 each. Dublin got €1.2 million in funding. For Dublin management and for the GAA president to say that other counties need to get their house in order and get to Dublin's level is, quite simply, horse*e, as they say up this way. We have coaches, volunteers, teachers, parents etc here too, as do every other county in Leinster. We don't have the coaches in schools, at primary or post primary. Why? Money, simple as. It's not as if the same level of endeavour doesn't into underage GAA in Kildare either.At minor level, Kildare have been in 7 of the last 8 Leinster finals, have been very competitive at u20 level, winning the All Ireland last year. Until counties in Leinster are at a level playing field, then the levels of resentment towards Dublin will only increase, in my opinion. Dublin have it every way, including at super 8's level where they are the only team to have 2 games at home. The Spring Series in Croker has served its purpose now to feed and nourish the monster. Time to cull this for starters now. The Leinster championship is a wasteland. Kerry on the other hand will always go up to Dublin and have a cut at it against the Dubs regardless. Mayo have been doing the same for the last few years also. |
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 29, 2019 20:37:39 GMT
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Post by dc84 on Jun 29, 2019 21:02:53 GMT
Also good for the county players on those club teams give them a chance to play a bit of league football |
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Post by piggott on Jun 29, 2019 21:30:04 GMT
Also good for the county players on those club teams give them a chance to play a bit of league football |
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Post by mitchelsontour on Jul 3, 2019 8:54:26 GMT
To paraphrase the bard "The dubs doth protest too much, methinks"
Dubs' funding figures not the full story, insists Horan
Donnchadh Boyle
July 3 2019 2:30 AM
GAA president John Horan has claimed that the level of Dublin's funding has been misinterpreted and he revealed he intends to have the figures analysed to give a clearer picture.
The level of coaching and games grants for Dublin dwarfs that of the rest of the country. Since 2007, Dublin have picked up almost €18m, way ahead of second-placed Cork who received €1.4m.
However, speaking at the launch of the All-Ireland series of the football championship in the Scotstown club in Monaghan, Horan explained that other counties receive money through the provinces.
"People are operating off global figures because Dublin's money goes from Croke Park whereas most of the other counties in Leinster get their money from the province, by going from Croke Park to the province," he said.
"I think there needs to be a greater analysis of it. It's very easy to take a global figure and say it's one point whatever going to Dublin and whatever going to the rest but if you actually did an analysis, how many... where is the penetration in the schools which a lot of the coaching money in Dublin is going into and that goes into camogie and ladies football as well. So that's where it is.
"If it was studied... I remember having a meeting with (GAA officials) Seamus Kenny and Shane Flanagan and Shane Flanagan's comment between the three of us was that per head of population there's actually more coaching money going into Meath than Dublin.
"That's what he said at that meeting. Now I didn't have the actual figures so I'm not going to stand over it but I intend to get someone to just have a look at it and analyse it."
Horan's assertion comes after it emerged that Tyrone tried to bring a motion to Congress that asked for an "transparent formula for the distribution of monies allocated to each county for games development".
The Rules Advisory Committee ruled the motion out of order but referred the motion to Central Council.
Irish Independent
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 3, 2019 9:02:51 GMT
The most illustrative aspect to this is that I heard the figure €50,000 bandied about.
If I heard this correct, this is the amount of fundraising that Dublin GAA had to do last year.
Meanwhile counties up and down the country are busting their balls to fundraise.
Kerry and Mayo must be raising about 1 million each and Dublin have to do SFA.
Something not adding up there.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 3, 2019 9:11:11 GMT
What I find difficult to understand is how,in a supposedly democratic association, the decisions we all complain about can continue to happen.
Surely every county has a vote in the decision making process - how therefore are these votes not exercised in a manner to ensure equity.
Similarly at county level, every club has a vote and yet we continuously complain about players (particularly those not in a match day squad) not being released for club games.
Something does not stack up and I dont quite understand it - am I simply being naieve in my interpretation of democracy in the GAA.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 3, 2019 9:52:09 GMT
The most illustrative aspect to this is that I heard the figure €50,000 bandied about. If I heard this correct, this is the amount of fundraising that Dublin GAA had to do last year. Meanwhile counties up and down the country are busting their balls to fundraise. Kerry and Mayo must be raising about 1 million each and Dublin have to do SFA. Something not adding up there. They already get so much sponsorship as they are the best team and have such a huge potential market that they don't need to. In fairness they are smart they have a policy to leave the fundraising space free for the club's which in turn means they can find the facilities coaches etc. The training dublin clubs give their 17-20 year olds is streets ahead of anywhere else this is the key to their success imo. They produce amazing u20/21 teams out of ok minor teams because the s and c and overall coaching they receive mean more of there young lads are physically capable of making the senior jump. Whereas with two obvious exceptions it can take our boys longer to develop. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 3, 2019 10:08:41 GMT
The most illustrative aspect to this is that I heard the figure €50,000 bandied about. If I heard this correct, this is the amount of fundraising that Dublin GAA had to do last year. Meanwhile counties up and down the country are busting their balls to fundraise. Kerry and Mayo must be raising about 1 million each and Dublin have to do SFA. Something not adding up there. They already get so much sponsorship as they are the best team and have such a huge potential market that they don't need to. In fairness they are smart they have a policy to leave the fundraising space free for the club's which in turn means they can find the facilities coaches etc. The training dublin clubs give their 17-20 year olds is streets ahead of anywhere else this is the key to their success imo. They produce amazing u20/21 teams out of ok minor teams because the s and c and overall coaching they receive mean more of there young lads are physically capable of making the senior jump. Whereas with two obvious exceptions it can take our boys longer to develop. Then we are getting into the American NFL sponsorship model. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 3, 2019 12:17:02 GMT
They already get so much sponsorship as they are the best team and have such a huge potential market that they don't need to. In fairness they are smart they have a policy to leave the fundraising space free for the club's which in turn means they can find the facilities coaches etc. The training dublin clubs give their 17-20 year olds is streets ahead of anywhere else this is the key to their success imo. They produce amazing u20/21 teams out of ok minor teams because the s and c and overall coaching they receive mean more of there young lads are physically capable of making the senior jump. Whereas with two obvious exceptions it can take our boys longer to develop. Then we are getting into the American NFL sponsorship model. and the American NFL model is what exactly? |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 3, 2019 12:39:59 GMT
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Post by kot on Jul 4, 2019 20:46:18 GMT
To paraphrase the bard "The dubs doth protest too much, methinks" Dubs' funding figures not the full story, insists Horan Donnchadh Boyle July 3 2019 2:30 AM GAA president John Horan has claimed that the level of Dublin's funding has been misinterpreted and he revealed he intends to have the figures analysed to give a clearer picture. The level of coaching and games grants for Dublin dwarfs that of the rest of the country. Since 2007, Dublin have picked up almost €18m, way ahead of second-placed Cork who received €1.4m. However, speaking at the launch of the All-Ireland series of the football championship in the Scotstown club in Monaghan, Horan explained that other counties receive money through the provinces. "People are operating off global figures because Dublin's money goes from Croke Park whereas most of the other counties in Leinster get their money from the province, by going from Croke Park to the province," he said. "I think there needs to be a greater analysis of it. It's very easy to take a global figure and say it's one point whatever going to Dublin and whatever going to the rest but if you actually did an analysis, how many... where is the penetration in the schools which a lot of the coaching money in Dublin is going into and that goes into camogie and ladies football as well. So that's where it is. "If it was studied... I remember having a meeting with (GAA officials) Seamus Kenny and Shane Flanagan and Shane Flanagan's comment between the three of us was that per head of population there's actually more coaching money going into Meath than Dublin. "That's what he said at that meeting. Now I didn't have the actual figures so I'm not going to stand over it but I intend to get someone to just have a look at it and analyse it." Horan's assertion comes after it emerged that Tyrone tried to bring a motion to Congress that asked for an "transparent formula for the distribution of monies allocated to each county for games development". The Rules Advisory Committee ruled the motion out of order but referred the motion to Central Council. Irish Independent He talks a lot of tripe but parkinson on his podcast is bang on this whole topic. The likes of Horan and co. must really think all culchies are as thick as the cliché goes..... and maybe the fact he is allowed to roll out these non sensical waffly answers without any challenge or correction whatsoever serves to enforce that. This type of bu775h!t response is going on with years and there is no getting away that its a problem! Its a problem that rather than redressing they are burying their heads deeper in the sand while throwing their arses ever higher at the rest of us! Dublin are STILL getting the money from Leinster that he was meant to have stopped while in that job. Madness! This strategic review started in ‘02. This “once in a lifetime generation” is absolute crap! There is how many players left from the ‘15 team with nailed on places? Less again back from when Uncle Joe was MOTM in ‘11. There is a direct correlation (in both codes) between Dublin’s unprecedented success and their astronomical level of financial doping. There is nothing cyclical about this, its systemic now. The fact i and other still have to type this is absolutely astounding! The whole thing they throw out about get your own house in order is akin to man city telling newport county to put the structures in place they have to be successful, im sure they would (as would carlow) if they had an equal share of sheik mansour’s honey pot! But they dont! Now, nothing can be done about the city owner to level the playing field. But the gaa can, yet they do nothing. Worse still, they wont even admit there is a problem. |
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Post by jackiel on Jul 4, 2019 22:32:49 GMT
Off the ball had an interview with Seamus Kenny,operations manager of Meath Co Board this evening. He puts a different slant on the whole funding issue. Not happy with the Uachtaran's statement.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 4, 2019 22:49:15 GMT
Is Horan the Chairman of the Dublin county board or is he the President of the GAA? Hard to listen to at times.
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Post by john4 on Jul 5, 2019 14:55:25 GMT
From Gaa website "The newly appointed GAA Fixtures Calendar Review Task Force have commenced their work under the chair of Eddie O'Sullivan. As part of this process, submissions from the membership of the Association are welcome to be made and can be sent to calendarreview@gaa.ie. In addition to this, members are encouraged to take part in a survey on the Fixtures Calendar which can be found at the following link: Fixtures Calendar Review or on www.gaa.ie" |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 5, 2019 18:50:21 GMT
ISN'T THE SILENCE FROM OUR NORMALLY VOCIFEROUS AND OPINIONATED
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 5, 2019 20:31:31 GMT
ISN'T THE SILENCE FROM OUR NORMALLY VOCIFEROUS AND OPINIONATED
DUBLIN CONTRIBUTORS ONLY DEAFENING.
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle? Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 5, 2019 20:37:35 GMT
ISN'T THE SILENCE FROM OUR NORMALLY VOCIFEROUS AND OPINIONATED
DUBLIN CONTRIBUTORS ONLY DEAFENING.
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle? Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. I am far from a pusher of the agenda you refer to but the more I hear about An tUachtarán John Horan the angrier I get. From my limited exposure of him, I would say this guy is a bit of a bluffer, a bit of a gombeen man, and very much wearing the sky blue jersey. He isn't helping to put it mildly and doesn't belong in the same office as Seán Kelly. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 5, 2019 22:06:13 GMT
ISN'T THE SILENCE FROM OUR NORMALLY VOCIFEROUS AND OPINIONATED
DUBLIN CONTRIBUTORS ONLY DEAFENING.
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle? Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. I never mentioned finance. I don't think the silence has anything at all to do with finance. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 5, 2019 22:11:22 GMT
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle? Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. I am far from a pusher of the agenda you refer to but the more I hear about An tUachtarán John Horan the angrier I get. From my limited exposure of him, I would say this guy is a bit of a bluffer, a bit of a gombeen man, and very much wearing the sky blue jersey. He isn't helping to put it mildly and doesn't belong in the same office as Seán Kelly. Cant claim to know John Horan personally. A long time ago I was a pupil of his. Havent spoken to the man since I left school but I do know he's a dedicated gaa man. Just like Sean Kelly. Who by the way has made public appearances (versus McKenna) defending the gaa strategy in terms of Dublins funding, which happened under Sean Kellys tenure. So that proud Kerryman had no difficulty with its logic. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 5, 2019 22:13:00 GMT
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle? Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. I never mentioned finance. I don't think the silence has anything at all to do with finance. Apologies but I am not getting the point you are trying to make? |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 5, 2019 22:20:54 GMT
In a previous post I referred to 8 current senior players who were part of 2011 minor panel. Forgot to mention Scully, who was also involved. That makes 9.
I should have also mentioned that the Irish Independent in particular are proud peddlers of the anti Dublin agenda. Breheny, Sweeney and McKenna leading the charge. I make an exception for Tomas o'Se, who seems to manage to give an objective opinion, which is a starting point for any self respecting journalist.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 5, 2019 22:40:19 GMT
There can be no doubt that the 2011 Dublin minor team produced an amazing crop of seniors. They didnt have to go away to college so their development was quicker that counties where there is no college.
In time and with the benefit of hindsight it could prove to be the case that such a crop will not be produced again.
However, the sheer weight of numbers at under age level is as well as excellent coaching structures will surely mean that Dublin will never have a fallow period again. In other words, it will be a notable year that Dubin either dont win it or be in the final.
It has been great for hurling that KK slipped back into the pack. This years football would be great if 6 teams were in with a shout of winning it like in hurling.
Horan is coming across as a clone of John Costello. The optics are not good.
Skybluezone makes the valid point that the likes of Sean kelly and other ex presidents are delighted with the way their policy has borne fruit. I find this incredible and the only rationale i can come up with is that they want to make Dublin so invincible that splitting Dublin becomes an easy decision.
Dublin don't do themselves any favours though. They are happy to accept the two home matches in the super 8s. They should at the least offer the Rossies a toss for home advantage.
If the balance is not redressed soon then there will be 31 counties in the B championship eventually.
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Post by thebluepanther on Jul 5, 2019 22:47:05 GMT
ISN'T THE SILENCE FROM OUR NORMALLY VOCIFEROUS AND OPINIONATED
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 5, 2019 22:59:12 GMT
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 5, 2019 23:22:53 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year.
I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 6, 2019 0:43:47 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year. I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it. It is all part of a single issue where the globalisation driven expansion of our capital city has created an imbalance that throws the organs of what is a small country out of kilter. From a planning perspective one must anticipate where it is headed long term and cut your cloth accordingly. Will Dublin ever be split? Well in theory maybe it should so say it is decided to look at it, by the time 'they' decide it is right to do it, the Dubs have gone off the boil and Kerry meanwhile are doing back-to-backs and so it is shelved! One of the arguments for looking is that the numbers participating at intercounty level would multiply, depending on how many slices were made. i.e. 2 or 3 panels of 40 players. The venues issue is the effect of this out of kilter cause. Nevertheless there is no way Dublin fans will be denied seeing their team playing so all home games will be in Croker. I think the addressable issue is that neutral games should be played at neutral venues, and having attended Dubs v Tyrone in Omagh last year has me longing for more regional games and while it is extra expense, the Dubs lapped it up, the atmosphere was electric and hopefully the powers that be will have noticed - well how could they not? On a lighter note can you just imagine a game in Croker of The North siders v South siders? On a not so light note, can you imagine how much the life insurance policy would cost for the men slicing the pie? - there would be another Hill 16 to commemorate the dead! After all that, I think the super 8s is magic as is Provincial finals. The short term solution is to have a competition for the 1st/2nd and 3rd 8 knocked out in a given year - simple as! The only outstanding question is if the back door should remain open and that would be down to the logistics and economics - have it open in boom times? Now our GAA buckos have plenty of experience and they say they do read up on what way the community are thinking so over to yew now boys! |
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