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Post by skybluezone on Jul 6, 2019 6:59:37 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year. I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it. It is all part of a single issue where the globalisation driven expansion of our capital city has created an imbalance that throws the organs of what is a small country out of kilter. From a planning perspective one must anticipate where it is headed long term and cut your cloth accordingly. Will Dublin ever be split? Well in theory maybe it should so say it is decided to look at it, by the time 'they' decide it is right to do it, the Dubs have gone off the boil and Kerry meanwhile are doing back-to-backs and so it is shelved! One of the arguments for looking is that the numbers participating at intercounty level would multiply, depending on how many slices were made. i.e. 2 or 3 panels of 40 players. The venues issue is the effect of this out of kilter cause. Nevertheless there is no way Dublin fans will be denied seeing their team playing so all home games will be in Croker. I think the addressable issue is that neutral games should be played at neutral venues, and having attended Dubs v Tyrone in Omagh last year has me longing for more regional games and while it is extra expense, the Dubs lapped it up, the atmosphere was electric and hopefully the powers that be will have noticed - well how could they not? On a lighter note can you just imagine a game in Croker of The North siders v South siders? On a not so light note, can you imagine how much the life insurance policy would cost for the men slicing the pie? - there would be another Hill 16 to commemorate the dead! After all that, I think the super 8s is magic as is Provincial finals. The short term solution is to have a competition for the 1st/2nd and 3rd 8 knocked out in a given year - simple as! The only outstanding question is if the back door should remain open and that would be down to the logistics and economics - have it open in boom times? Now our GAA buckos have plenty of experience and they say they do read up on what way the community are thinking so over to yew now boys! You make some good points. However, there are economic imbalances the world over between urban and rural. That is just a reality, and the gaa cannot seriously effect this. Also your 2nd paragraph refers to Kerry winning back to back All Irelands, and all is right with the world again. Which begs the question, why do Kerry have to have a monopoly on this for everything to be ok with the world? Are Dublin back to backs somehow different to Kerrys? Do they mean different things to your average gaa man? Are there different shades of gaa-ness, and is Dublins lighter than every other county. My own view is that Dublin have got their act together at grass roots level. Because Dublin were poor at this previously, it levelled the playing field and negated the one huge natural advantage that Dublin have, population. A structured approach to coaching kids ( also development squads) began in the late 90s, and has been improved over time. The net effect is that Dublin is only now punching its weight. This a scenario which is unpalatable to many obviously, and that is why the kitchen sink is being thrown at it by Breheny and co. If the nation cannot stomach the fact that as things stand Dublin will always be contenders, well then the whole model has to be examined. Which will affect every county in some shape or form. The new nirvana will mean that on a pro rata basis Leitrim will have the same access to money and resources as Dublin and Kerry. So Jerry Group funds will be dispersed. Net effect is Kerry are diminished, same as Dublin. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2019 8:55:30 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year. I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it. A game in Parnell and a game in Croker. Both in the city. This is the type of reply that causes people to turn against Dublin. Cute hoorism at its worst. Let Croker be the venue for the home game and travel outside the city for the gane v the provincial champs...toss for venue at least. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 6, 2019 9:15:33 GMT
Why cant Dublin do what other counties have done and build their own stadium?
They have been talking about building in Spawell for years but nothing yet and they constantly use the fact that Parnell is a kip as an excuse to use Croker.
Seems like some willful inaction to be honest
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2019 10:09:38 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year. I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it. It is all part of a single issue where the globalisation driven expansion of our capital city has created an imbalance that throws the organs of what is a small country out of kilter. From a planning perspective one must anticipate where it is headed long term and cut your cloth accordingly. Will Dublin ever be split? Well in theory maybe it should so say it is decided to look at it, by the time 'they' decide it is right to do it, the Dubs have gone off the boil and Kerry meanwhile are doing back-to-backs and so it is shelved! One of the arguments for looking is that the numbers participating at intercounty level would multiply, depending on how many slices were made. i.e. 2 or 3 panels of 40 players. The venues issue is the effect of this out of kilter cause. Nevertheless there is no way Dublin fans will be denied seeing their team playing so all home games will be in Croker. I think the addressable issue is that neutral games should be played at neutral venues, and having attended Dubs v Tyrone in Omagh last year has me longing for more regional games and while it is extra expense, the Dubs lapped it up, the atmosphere was electric and hopefully the powers that be will have noticed - well how could they not? On a lighter note can you just imagine a game in Croker of The North siders v South siders? On a not so light note, can you imagine how much the life insurance policy would cost for the men slicing the pie? - there would be another Hill 16 to commemorate the dead! After all that, I think the super 8s is magic as is Provincial finals. The short term solution is to have a competition for the 1st/2nd and 3rd 8 knocked out in a given year - simple as! The only outstanding question is if the back door should remain open and that would be down to the logistics and economics - have it open in boom times? Now our GAA buckos have plenty of experience and they say they do read up on what way the community are thinking so over to yew now boys! If you think that Kerry doing back to backs is going to make this issue go away you see things through a narrow lens. And lets be fair... its an embarrassment at the moment how handy Kerry and Dublin have it to get through the super 8. Its brings the whole thing to farcical levels. There is so much that needs to be fixed its a massive task. Yet the hurling provides a very good template whereby the top 8 teams play off with the possibility of weaker counties coming in at prelimjbary QF stage. |
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Post by thebluepanther on Jul 6, 2019 10:33:08 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year. I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it. A game in Parnell and a game in Croker. Both in the city. This is the type of reply that causes people to turn against Dublin. Cute hoorism at its worst. Let Croker be the venue for the home game and travel outside the city for the gane v the provincial champs...toss for venue at least. Parnell park was always Dublin's footballs home ground and the best place for atmosphere if your a Dublin fan . For many years i loved going there for our football games. I still regularly go, albeit not to see the Senior footballers. Now the only Senior inter county games played there bar the O' Byrne Cup in January is Hurling. The game against Galway 2 weeks ago was unbelievable for atmosphere. Crokepark is Dublin footballs defacto home ground now , GAA money men decided this a good few years ago and with introduction of the Spring series ended Parnell park in the debate . They then muddled matters by deciding each county gets a home and away game in the super 8's plus a game in Crokepark ,again they seen Dublin as the cash cow and 2 more games in Crokepark for them. Dublins recent dominance in football has led to cries of enough is enough , this year after the league had ended Sports journalists were stating Dublin had come closer back to the pack , the uproar was receding. but recent poor showing by certain counties , has pushed Dublin further out in front in most peoples eyes ( only after this championship has been played out will we now) and a deluge of debate on where Gaa money has been spent has begun. rightly so. Without question Dublin have recieved a huge chunk of money from the GAA which they grabbed with both hands . ( with different people at the helm , we could have a totally different narrative today)the people involved invested in coaches and underage . The Senior team eventually got over the line in 2011 and that team backed by the minor team of 2011 have created the perfect storm going forward. I believe without that minor team the 2011 the Senior team could have fallen back like the team of 1995 and the extra money recieved wouldn't have got the same attention. Possibly might have been used as stick to beat them with. I remember been told when we were losing in the nineties and noughties that the problem in Dublin was we had too many players to pick from , we never knew our best squad , their wasn't the hunger, too many distractions from other sports in the city. Teams like Kerry and Tyrone , Armagh had closer bond because they were on the road together and when needed were able to dig that bit deeper in a tight game. Dublin we were told just didnt have this . This current Dublin team have all those attributes needed to be champions , the part that annoys me is that they are overlooked in all this arguement. There have been some very valid ponts of where money should be allocated and that Dublin have made hay of the money they were given and now is time to make important changes in the allocation of money . but recently it has also allowed people push agendas who just basically has a complete dislike of anything Dublin. Social media has gone crazy. County boards who have basically done nothing over the years , can throw their hands in the air and say sure whats the point, Dublin get everything. On the Super 8's Dublin should in my opinion play one Game in Crokepark (home game) one Game away and forfeit the other game in Crokepark and have it refixed in a neutral venue , unless the oppossing team wants it played in Crokepark . Leinster Championship final should be in Croke park , all other games away ( but really the Leinster football Championship , like the Munster championship has generally only ever been a 2 horse race and isnt fit for purpose ) The anger in this debate should not be pointed at this current Dublin football team , who i feel privileged to watch. They train hard, give every team the respect they deserve , fight till the end and always show the hunger required to win games even when they go down to the wire , they keep coming back even after winning so many trophies. Jim Gavin has kept them grounded in an era where it would be very easy to get ahead of themselves with all the success and attention, We have had some players in the past who thought very highly of themselves and never won anything. These guys aren't like that . Unfortunetly These guys have now become the scapegoats in the whole debate about finances and home advantage and this should never be the case. I do hope measures are put in place to level the playing field ,but that runs much deeper than Dublin recieving more money than every one else. Although the use of Crokepark has to be addressed and Dublin need to be playing on the road more often, at the very least this gives opposing counties a bit of a sense of fair play. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 6, 2019 10:36:14 GMT
It is all part of a single issue where the globalisation driven expansion of our capital city has created an imbalance that throws the organs of what is a small country out of kilter. From a planning perspective one must anticipate where it is headed long term and cut your cloth accordingly. Will Dublin ever be split? Well in theory maybe it should so say it is decided to look at it, by the time 'they' decide it is right to do it, the Dubs have gone off the boil and Kerry meanwhile are doing back-to-backs and so it is shelved! One of the arguments for looking is that the numbers participating at intercounty level would multiply, depending on how many slices were made. i.e. 2 or 3 panels of 40 players. The venues issue is the effect of this out of kilter cause. Nevertheless there is no way Dublin fans will be denied seeing their team playing so all home games will be in Croker. I think the addressable issue is that neutral games should be played at neutral venues, and having attended Dubs v Tyrone in Omagh last year has me longing for more regional games and while it is extra expense, the Dubs lapped it up, the atmosphere was electric and hopefully the powers that be will have noticed - well how could they not? On a lighter note can you just imagine a game in Croker of The North siders v South siders? On a not so light note, can you imagine how much the life insurance policy would cost for the men slicing the pie? - there would be another Hill 16 to commemorate the dead! After all that, I think the super 8s is magic as is Provincial finals. The short term solution is to have a competition for the 1st/2nd and 3rd 8 knocked out in a given year - simple as! The only outstanding question is if the back door should remain open and that would be down to the logistics and economics - have it open in boom times? Now our GAA buckos have plenty of experience and they say they do read up on what way the community are thinking so over to yew now boys! If you think that Kerry doing back to backs is going to make this issue go away you see things through a narrow lens. And lets be fair... its an embarrassment at the moment how handy Kerry and Dublin have it to get through the super 8. Its brings the whole thing to farcical levels. There is so much that needs to be fixed its a massive task. Yet the hurling provides a very good template whereby the top 8 teams play off with the possibility of weaker counties coming in at prelimjbary QF stage. You misunderstood my point on the back to back issue. If Kerry do it, it will be applauded, as it should be. If Dublin do it, or even better 3,4 and hopefully 5, the narrative we are fed is that "there has to be something sinister going on, surely the Dubs cant just be better footballers than everyone else". As a result some have pointed to 'financial doping' as the reason Dublin are doing extraordinary things at the moment. Which is really dispiriting to listen to. My 2nd point is in relation to an effort by gaa hierarchy to level the playing field. This is all about reducing Dublins dominance, its not about making the game better. They have already attempted this to some degree by introducing rule changes specifically aimed at stopping Cluxton, and now want the mark introduced etc. Dublin supporters are not stupid, we can see whats happening. Splitting Dublin will be an open admission of that. My point is if you reduce resources (including population pick) for 1 county only then how do you equate that with the perceived unfair advantage that the Kerrys Meaths and Kildares have over the Leitrims and Longfords? Or are we happy to stop at just taking a knife to Dublin, and let the other inequities go to fcuk, because the juggernaut has been stopped. There doesnt seem to be any appetite to discuss this at a national level funny enough. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 6, 2019 10:41:49 GMT
The Super 8 concept had a 2 year trial period as i understand it. The optics of 2 home games for Dublin are not good, but cannot he changed until after this year. I would prefer if Dublin played their home game in Parnell. Capacity 9k approx. So be it. A game in Parnell and a game in Croker. Both in the city. This is the type of reply that causes people to turn against Dublin. Cute hoorism at its worst. Let Croker be the venue for the home game and travel outside the city for the gane v the provincial champs...toss for venue at least. Wouldnt have a problem with that arrangement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 11:42:51 GMT
If you think that Kerry doing back to backs is going to make this issue go away you see things through a narrow lens. And lets be fair... its an embarrassment at the moment how handy Kerry and Dublin have it to get through the super 8. Its brings the whole thing to farcical levels. There is so much that needs to be fixed its a massive task. Yet the hurling provides a very good template whereby the top 8 teams play off with the possibility of weaker counties coming in at prelimjbary QF stage. You misunderstood my point on the back to back issue. If Kerry do it, it will be applauded, as it should be. If Dublin do it, or even better 3,4 and hopefully 5, the narrative we are fed is that "there has to be something sinister going on, surely the Dubs cant just be better footballers than everyone else". As a result some have pointed to 'financial doping' as the reason Dublin are doing extraordinary things at the moment. Which is really dispiriting to listen to. My 2nd point is in relation to an effort by gaa hierarchy to level the playing field. This is all about reducing Dublins dominance, its not about making the game better. They have already attempted this to some degree by introducing rule changes specifically aimed at stopping Cluxton, and now want the mark introduced etc. Dublin supporters are not stupid, we can see whats happening. Splitting Dublin will be an open admission of that. My point is if you reduce resources (including population pick) for 1 county only then how do you equate that with the perceived unfair advantage that the Kerrys Meaths and Kildares have over the Leitrims and Longfords? Or are we happy to stop at just taking a knife to Dublin, and let the other inequities go to fcuk, because the juggernaut has been stopped. There doesnt seem to be any appetite to discuss this at a national level funny enough. Yeah right, the rule changes are all about dublin |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 6, 2019 13:14:51 GMT
Re the above fire I lit, I only mentioned Kerry incidentally and what I was getting at was that once Dublin come to a halt, though some believe they could well do 10 in a row, then all the 'split Dublin' talk ends too.
There are a few fine lines here and if I read Skyblue correctly, the GAA is not the 'cause' so much as a symptom of the 'effect' of global Inward Investment, and which sustains us economically as a nation, and which is also the envy of many other countries. This 'cause and effect' is the root and splits some of those lines, well partly a anyway - you getting the picture?
I don't think we can ever get into perfect kilter but if we do our best then we will maximise the chances for the maximum number of players to get the best run and the best teams claiming silver. Chaotic as the system is today, the best teams generally prevail, or do they? Dublin are certainly way ahead in talent but with respect Skyblue, yew are better funded and I was disappointed when we were told that if the gate was less, then it is weaker teams that would suffer.
I think we all want the same thing more or less and in the long term what's good for one is good for all - the issue is quiet complex though hence we tend to end up arguing on side issues. I have been on the sidelines of situations that somewhat resemble the picture here and the best (and most expensive) business brains couldn't put a dent in it, well in fact the situations I refer to would be dwarfed by the monstrosity that is our national sport.
Ah maybe these are conversations for 'the closed period', let's focus on the festival ahead, ah be jazus, Mayo and Galway coming to Munster this evening to wash their dirty linen, dicing and slicing each other with the 'prize' being permission to come deeper into enemy territory and face a better (or worse?) enemy, hello fever pitch, good luck to both and sure the scenery will ease the pain, keep her lit!
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Post by kot on Jul 6, 2019 13:17:16 GMT
ISN'T THE SILENCE FROM OUR NORMALLY VOCIFEROUS AND OPINIONATED
DUBLIN CONTRIBUTORS ONLY DEAFENING.
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. “Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. “Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Is that the best you’ve got? Clue is in the name, kerry group. Founded in tralee and based in the county...... but i forgot that AIG have a long heritage from donnybrook to drumcondra..... and it is of course not way more than kerry get from kerry group. And currans was built from the part time chairman (not full time CEO) fundraising left right & centre and getting former players on trips out to the states. The transition from minor to senior is huge, which is why Dublin have rather modest success compared to their seniors (but still starkly improved prior to this financial injection). But the professional set up, enabled by an incredibly skewed pool of financial resources, means that those guys are way ahead of the pack at 21/22. Which is why a team who lost to tipp at minor now has players going for 5 in a row. Poor aul John eh..... villified for no reason, nothing to do with his evasive and downright patronising soundbites in recent weeks. |
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Post by kot on Jul 6, 2019 13:24:48 GMT
And in no way, despite how it might come across, that I am disparaging or trivialising the talent of those Dublin players. They are absolutely unbelievable. But the resources they have had and facilities dwarf their potential rivals (cos they dont have any right now). And
And for the governing body to continue to fund them disproportionately and then tell those same counties to “get their house in order” is nothing short of scandalous. And attempt to argue to the contrary is downright ridiculous!
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 6, 2019 13:36:03 GMT
You misunderstood my point on the back to back issue. If Kerry do it, it will be applauded, as it should be. If Dublin do it, or even better 3,4 and hopefully 5, the narrative we are fed is that "there has to be something sinister going on, surely the Dubs cant just be better footballers than everyone else". As a result some have pointed to 'financial doping' as the reason Dublin are doing extraordinary things at the moment. Which is really dispiriting to listen to. My 2nd point is in relation to an effort by gaa hierarchy to level the playing field. This is all about reducing Dublins dominance, its not about making the game better. They have already attempted this to some degree by introducing rule changes specifically aimed at stopping Cluxton, and now want the mark introduced etc. Dublin supporters are not stupid, we can see whats happening. Splitting Dublin will be an open admission of that. My point is if you reduce resources (including population pick) for 1 county only then how do you equate that with the perceived unfair advantage that the Kerrys Meaths and Kildares have over the Leitrims and Longfords? Or are we happy to stop at just taking a knife to Dublin, and let the other inequities go to fcuk, because the juggernaut has been stopped. There doesnt seem to be any appetite to discuss this at a national level funny enough. Yeah right, the rule changes are all about dublin So convince me that they aren't? Kick out change a few years back, targeting Cluxton. Dublin playing a possession based game to break down the blanket, all of a sudden introduce offensive mark to encourage faster delivery inside, in order to discourage possession based game. Yeh right is right! |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 6, 2019 13:40:32 GMT
Frankly, I'm bored listening to it. I suspect that like myself, 90% of the posters here haven't a bulls notion about the breakdown of finances. But the vast majority are happy to buy into the anti Dub bile. So all in all its hard to listen to. It suits the narrative of most to suggest that there is no way this team could be a fabulous team by dint of effort, talent, top class management. There must be another reason, so financial doping is a handy one to hang the excuses on. Someone said earlier it cannot be just a special bunch of players. Simply put, All Ireland title win in 2011. Same day, minors beaten. But of that minor group something like 8 are currently involved with seniors. Off top of my head, Davy Byrne, John Small, McCaffrey, Lowndes, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello. Fenton part of group but not involved/late developer. Savage amount of minors to make it from the same bunch. Id call that special. Kerry have won 5 since then, how many gave come through? But no, its definitely financial doping. “Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Would ya get up outa that.No one here was worried about Leitrim when you were hoovering up multiple Sams in the noughties. Horan is in situ 2 years, first Dub president since late 50s i believe. But he's been diverting funds Dublins way for years, apparently! Some man is John. Ridiculous. I could go on, but as i said above, its boring and frankly impossible to turn around the tidal wave of bitterness, led by McKenna and his foot soldiers. Lastly, can someone please explain the conspiracy to me? The one where 31 counties continue to vote to give copious amounts of money to one county, to ensure that the dominance continues. I'll wait. “Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Is that the best you’ve got? Clue is in the name, kerry group. Founded in tralee and based in the county...... but i forgot that AIG have a long heritage from donnybrook to drumcondra..... and it is of course not way more than kerry get from kerry group. And currans was built from the part time chairman (not full time CEO) fundraising left right & centre and getting former players on trips out to the states. The transition from minor to senior is huge, which is why Dublin have rather modest success compared to their seniors (but still starkly improved prior to this financial injection). But the professional set up, enabled by an incredibly skewed pool of financial resources, means that those guys are way ahead of the pack at 21/22. Which is why a team who lost to tipp at minor now has players going for 5 in a row. Poor aul John eh..... villified for no reason, nothing to do with his evasive and downright patronising soundbites in recent weeks. Think you'll find the the Kerry Group are based in, eh, Naas! But thats hardly the point, money is the same colour no matter where its sourced. The point is Kerry have never wanted for it. |
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Post by buck02 on Jul 6, 2019 13:45:47 GMT
I think at this stage its fairly obvious that the horse has bolted and the people in charge have no appetite to even close the gate nevermind try and catch the horse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 14:24:10 GMT
Yeah right, the rule changes are all about dublin So convince me that they aren't? Kick out change a few years back, targeting Cluxton. Dublin playing a possession based game to break down the blanket, all of a sudden introduce offensive mark to encourage faster delivery inside, in order to discourage possession based game. Yeh right is right! People who believe that everything is an agenda against them can’t be convinced of anything so why would I bother. The kick out rule favoured keepers with a good kick out so not sure how this is anti Cluxton. The offensive mark is an idea to encourage offensive play. I am not convinced by it but it is one of many rule changes that get tried to liven the game up. It isn’t relevant this year anyway but it is laughable the tripe you are coming out with to justify your delusional ramblings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 14:25:18 GMT
“Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Is that the best you’ve got? Clue is in the name, kerry group. Founded in tralee and based in the county...... but i forgot that AIG have a long heritage from donnybrook to drumcondra..... and it is of course not way more than kerry get from kerry group. And currans was built from the part time chairman (not full time CEO) fundraising left right & centre and getting former players on trips out to the states. The transition from minor to senior is huge, which is why Dublin have rather modest success compared to their seniors (but still starkly improved prior to this financial injection). But the professional set up, enabled by an incredibly skewed pool of financial resources, means that those guys are way ahead of the pack at 21/22. Which is why a team who lost to tipp at minor now has players going for 5 in a row. Poor aul John eh..... villified for no reason, nothing to do with his evasive and downright patronising soundbites in recent weeks. Think you'll find the the Kerry Group are based in, eh, Naas! But thats hardly the point, money is the same colour no matter where its sourced. The point is Kerry have never wanted for it. Wrong again on Naas |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 6, 2019 16:21:49 GMT
Yeah right, the rule changes are all about dublin So convince me that they aren't? Kick out change a few years back, targeting Cluxton. Dublin playing a possession based game to break down the blanket, all of a sudden introduce offensive mark to encourage faster delivery inside, in order to discourage possession based game. Yeh right is right! I get called an Old Tom on here for defending Dublin. I'm about as anti-anti-Dublin as you get on here. The Rule Changes ARE NOT to hurt Dublin they are to improve our game as a spectacle. |
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Post by kot on Jul 6, 2019 17:04:20 GMT
“Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Is that the best you’ve got? Clue is in the name, kerry group. Founded in tralee and based in the county...... but i forgot that AIG have a long heritage from donnybrook to drumcondra..... and it is of course not way more than kerry get from kerry group. And currans was built from the part time chairman (not full time CEO) fundraising left right & centre and getting former players on trips out to the states. The transition from minor to senior is huge, which is why Dublin have rather modest success compared to their seniors (but still starkly improved prior to this financial injection). But the professional set up, enabled by an incredibly skewed pool of financial resources, means that those guys are way ahead of the pack at 21/22. Which is why a team who lost to tipp at minor now has players going for 5 in a row. Poor aul John eh..... villified for no reason, nothing to do with his evasive and downright patronising soundbites in recent weeks. Think you'll find the the Kerry Group are based in, eh, Naas! But thats hardly the point, money is the same colour no matter where its sourced. The point is Kerry have never wanted for it. I think you are eh, wrong. Founded, based & headquarters in tralee. And forgetting for a second, specifically for kerry, is not even remotely comparible in terms of funding. What about, not even all counties, just even the potential contenders.... do you think its all ok? Some simple yes or no answers to these questions: - the current dublin team have benefitted from the additional resources made available to them since 2002? Yes or no. - the continuation of dublin getting backed to the hilt by the gaa is not fair? Yes or no? - the system of funding is broken and needs to be addressed? Yes or no. - dublin have benefitted from having full time employees vs. volunteer officers. Yes or no? |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2019 18:53:50 GMT
“Couple of other points. Kerry are paupers, built Currams. Backed by Kerry group. Do ye want for financial muscle?” Is that the best you’ve got? Clue is in the name, kerry group. Founded in tralee and based in the county...... but i forgot that AIG have a long heritage from donnybrook to drumcondra..... and it is of course not way more than kerry get from kerry group. And currans was built from the part time chairman (not full time CEO) fundraising left right & centre and getting former players on trips out to the states. The transition from minor to senior is huge, which is why Dublin have rather modest success compared to their seniors (but still starkly improved prior to this financial injection). But the professional set up, enabled by an incredibly skewed pool of financial resources, means that those guys are way ahead of the pack at 21/22. Which is why a team who lost to tipp at minor now has players going for 5 in a row. Poor aul John eh..... villified for no reason, nothing to do with his evasive and downright patronising soundbites in recent weeks. Think you'll find the the Kerry Group are based in, eh, Naas! But thats hardly the point, money is the same colour no matter where its sourced. The point is Kerry have never wanted for it. If ever a company can be adjusted a Kerry company its the Kerry Group.... a great story going back to the early 70s when a genius businessman and small milk farmers came together. It has evolved obvioudly. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2019 18:58:29 GMT
a question for our dublin posters...
what percentage of the funding cake should Dublin get going forward. I think it ran at 53% over the past 10 years.
What would be reasonable going forward in the circumstances.... would ye go as high as 10% and if so why
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 7, 2019 8:21:39 GMT
Think you'll find the the Kerry Group are based in, eh, Naas! But thats hardly the point, money is the same colour no matter where its sourced. The point is Kerry have never wanted for it. If ever a company can be adjusted a Kerry company its the Kerry Group.... a great story going back to the early 70s when a genius businessman and small milk farmers came together. It has evolved obvioudly. For the last time, I dont have an issue with Kerry Group and its funding arrangements with Kerry Gaa. The point I'm making is that for a long time now Kerry gaa has never wanted for anything precisely because it is being funded by Kerry group. Translates as: Kerry have no funding issues in comparison to most. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 7, 2019 8:33:33 GMT
Think you'll find the the Kerry Group are based in, eh, Naas! But thats hardly the point, money is the same colour no matter where its sourced. The point is Kerry have never wanted for it. I think you are eh, wrong. Founded, based & headquarters in tralee. And forgetting for a second, specifically for kerry, is not even remotely comparible in terms of funding. What about, not even all counties, just even the potential contenders.... do you think its all ok? Some simple yes or no answers to these questions: - the current dublin team have benefitted from the additional resources made available to them since 2002? Yes or no. - the continuation of dublin getting backed to the hilt by the gaa is not fair? Yes or no? - the system of funding is broken and needs to be addressed? Yes or no. - dublin have benefitted from having full time employees vs. volunteer officers. Yes or no? Loaded questions, but I'll give a go. Q1. Most players havent, some of the very youngest have. Eg; Cluxton a senior since 2001. How can he and others have benefitted from funding directed towards primary schools. Likes of Howard yes. Q2. Stupid question. Funding is much more nuanced than that and well you know it. Q3. Yes. Q4. No idea. Depends on quality of said officers v quality of volunteers. Here's a question for you. Have the Dublin senior team ever benefitted financially from the funding introduced in 2002 by the gaa that was aimed at specifically encouraging primary school children to play gaelic games? Yes or no answer. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 7, 2019 8:59:48 GMT
If ever a company can be adjusted a Kerry company its the Kerry Group.... a great story going back to the early 70s when a genius businessman and small milk farmers came together. It has evolved obvioudly. For the last time, I dont have an issue with Kerry Group and its funding arrangements with Kerry Gaa. The point I'm making is that for a long time now Kerry gaa has never wanted for anything precisely because it is being funded by Kerry group. Translates as: Kerry have no funding issues in comparison to most. Kerry do massive fundraising to keep the show on the road. Dublin do not. If I were to guess, for every euro Dublin fundraise, Kerry fundraise €30. |
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Post by kot on Jul 7, 2019 10:52:57 GMT
I think you are eh, wrong. Founded, based & headquarters in tralee. And forgetting for a second, specifically for kerry, is not even remotely comparible in terms of funding. What about, not even all counties, just even the potential contenders.... do you think its all ok? Some simple yes or no answers to these questions: - the current dublin team have benefitted from the additional resources made available to them since 2002? Yes or no. - the continuation of dublin getting backed to the hilt by the gaa is not fair? Yes or no? - the system of funding is broken and needs to be addressed? Yes or no. - dublin have benefitted from having full time employees vs. volunteer officers. Yes or no? Loaded questions, but I'll give a go. Q1. Most players havent, some of the very youngest have. Eg; Cluxton a senior since 2001. How can he and others have benefitted from funding directed towards primary schools. Likes of Howard yes. Q2. Stupid question. Funding is much more nuanced than that and well you know it. Q3. Yes. Q4. No idea. Depends on quality of said officers v quality of volunteers. Here's a question for you. Have the Dublin senior team ever benefitted financially from the funding introduced in 2002 by the gaa that was aimed at specifically encouraging primary school children to play gaelic games? Yes or no answer. Yes. And “stupid question”. Is that because the answer is too obvious? |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 7, 2019 10:57:52 GMT
a question for our dublin posters... what percentage of the funding cake should Dublin get going forward. I think it ran at 53% over the past 10 years. What would be reasonable going forward in the circumstances.... would ye go as high as 10% and if so why SBZ...just a reminder to reply to this. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 7, 2019 17:28:05 GMT
a question for our dublin posters... what percentage of the funding cake should Dublin get going forward. I think it ran at 53% over the past 10 years. What would be reasonable going forward in the circumstances.... would ye go as high as 10% and if so why SBZ...just a reminder to reply to this. Where you getting 53% from? Your a great man for a black or white answer! Anyway, to buy into your methodology for a moment, a crude measurement would be pro rata per head of population. On that basis i suppose you are looking at between 35 - 40%. How on the name of jaysus are you coming up with 10%  |
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 7, 2019 17:28:52 GMT
Loaded questions, but I'll give a go. Q1. Most players havent, some of the very youngest have. Eg; Cluxton a senior since 2001. How can he and others have benefitted from funding directed towards primary schools. Likes of Howard yes. Q2. Stupid question. Funding is much more nuanced than that and well you know it. Q3. Yes. Q4. No idea. Depends on quality of said officers v quality of volunteers. Here's a question for you. Have the Dublin senior team ever benefitted financially from the funding introduced in 2002 by the gaa that was aimed at specifically encouraging primary school children to play gaelic games? Yes or no answer. Yes. And “stupid question”. Is that because the answer is too obvious? So tell me how funding is allocated then? |
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 7, 2019 19:00:21 GMT
SBZ...just a reminder to reply to this. Where you getting 53% from? Your a great man for a black or white answer! Anyway, to buy into your methodology for a moment, a crude measurement would be pro rata per head of population. On that basis i suppose you are looking at between 35 - 40%. How on the name of jaysus are you coming up with 10% I am pretty sure it ran at 53%... i think dublin got 18m since 2007. I think the total fund was 30m. 10% going forward would seem high to me if they want to redress the funding imbalance that pertained since 2007. Do you think they should redress this imbalance.... right the wrong in other words. A per head of population rate is ridiculous and makes things worse while Dublin stays unsplit. |
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Post by glengael on Jul 9, 2019 8:27:43 GMT
Mickey Harte apologising for rebel songs being sung on Tyrone team bus. What's that about or has silly season come early?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 9, 2019 8:57:00 GMT
Mickey Harte apologising for rebel songs being sung on Tyrone team bus. What's that about or has silly season come early? there is a video clip in circulation of the tyrone bus being caught up in a july marching season march ....and on the bus they are singing ...come out ye black and tans.... someone shared it and it went viral... |
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