|
Post by gaelicden on Sept 9, 2021 22:25:47 GMT
I hope they get the TV panel right for Sunday. No Cavanagh, Spillane or Mayo pundit for a start. This may mean Ciaran Whelan and Dessie Dolan but they'd be an a bit better, well only slightly. Will Marty or Ger get the commentary I wonder? Dessie Dolan yikes. I presume Darragh Maloney for commentary. Since 2017, Marty Morrissey has covered the All Ireland Hurling Final while Ger Canning does the Football Final. That means unless Ger has taken ill or is unavailable on Saturday, it'll be Ger.
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Sept 10, 2021 8:06:02 GMT
Dessie Dolan yikes. I presume Darragh Maloney for commentary. Since 2017, Marty Morrissey has covered the All Ireland Hurling Final while Ger Canning does the Football Final. That means unless Ger has taken ill or is unavailable on Saturday, it'll be Ger. They'll be consternation in the Mayo / Tyrone defence so tomorrow...
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 10, 2021 8:56:32 GMT
Since 2017, Marty Morrissey has covered the All Ireland Hurling Final while Ger Canning does the Football Final. That means unless Ger has taken ill or is unavailable on Saturday, it'll be Ger. They'll be consternation in the Mayo / Tyrone defence so tomorrow... There'll be shots from just outside the "exclusion zone".
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 10, 2021 9:06:37 GMT
They'll be consternation in the Mayo / Tyrone defence so tomorrow... There'll be shots from just outside the "exclusion zone". It may be a 'one point game'. I hate that one.
|
|
|
Post by john4 on Sept 10, 2021 9:13:24 GMT
The quality of RTÉ's commentary on matches is shocking. They give very little detail on what it is that's actually happening on the field and whoever the match commentator is, spends the entire match trying to figure out who will win the match and colour their comments accordingly. They're so anxious to be seen as the 'winner's friend' that the comments give a very false picture of events. Ive only noticed this with RTE btw, Premier league matches on Sky etc. call what they see on the field and no more.
|
|
|
Post by buck02 on Sept 10, 2021 9:16:18 GMT
Dessie Dolan must have incriminating photos of the head of RTE sport. He is woeful. Offers nothing short of stating the obvious. If its him and Ger Canning tomorrow I'm turing the volume down.
|
|
|
Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 10, 2021 10:11:39 GMT
Media hacks are strange alright, is Marty the better?, did anyone notice that lassie anchor on Sky, she is good, maybe she has a future in an elevated role?
That Brady bucko does my head in, talk of stating the obvious, he will be extra big these days - comical really though there are betters at that too.
|
|
|
Post by gaelicden on Sept 10, 2021 19:50:56 GMT
Dessie Dolan yikes. I presume Darragh Maloney for commentary. Since 2017, Marty Morrissey has covered the All Ireland Hurling Final while Ger Canning does the Football Final. That means unless Ger has taken ill or is unavailable on Saturday, it'll be Ger. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40695566.htmlAs expected, it is Ger Canning on commentary. He will have Tomas O'Sé on co-commentary though, so I assume that is a plus.
|
|
|
Post by Lolly Valance on Sept 10, 2021 22:04:06 GMT
I don't mind Ger or Marty to be honest. All depends who they are paired with really. Marty and Duignan or Cummins is good.
Dessie Dolan or McStay are just negative about everything or if there is anything controversial they say nothing.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 13, 2021 7:43:42 GMT
One of the points awarded in the camogie yesterday looked wide. I wonder was Hawkeye in operation for the camogie final.
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Sept 13, 2021 8:21:47 GMT
One of the points awarded in the camogie yesterday looked wide. I wonder was Hawkeye in operation for the camogie final. I thought that too but it wasn't referred to as an option or sought by players or managers so I presume it wasn't in use. Marty and his co-commentator didn't refer to it either. Mind you Marty was as busy as ever with his geography lessons - 'Douglas. On the South Side of Cork Citeee', so maybe he didn't have time.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 13, 2021 20:44:24 GMT
Premium Tyrone have shone a beacon of light for the rest to follow
Colm Keys
September 13 2021 09:16 PM If you were a Donegal footballer looking on at Tyrone’s All-Ireland triumph on Saturday evening, you’re sure to have had mixed emotions.
Regret in one respect that a team you have beaten in the previous two Ulster Championships, and looked to have control of earlier this year until your captain missed a penalty and was then sent off, were able to gather themselves together over the course of the remainder of the season to prise their fourth All-Ireland title.
But there should have been some reinvigoration too that a team that you are that close to and have had the measure of more often than not in championship and league over the last three years had the conviction to go on and do what they did.
Similar emotions are sure to have surfaced among Monaghan players too. They were adrift of Tyrone in the first half of their Ulster final but drew level at one stage in the second half before losing by just a point. Chances went abegging.
And if Monaghan are that close to Tyrone, how far away are Armagh who shipped four goals on that sombre evening in the Athletic Grounds in the Ulster semi-final against Monaghan but were a point ahead as five minutes of injury-time was called before they lost by two.
Granted, football results have never been linear. Armagh’s proximity to Monaghan one day could be something completely different with Tyrone the next day. But the point is hope.
Which of the leading counties doesn’t believe now that an All-Ireland title is more attainable than it has been for a few years.
Mayo may have butchered their latest All-Ireland final opportunity but their taking down of Dublin, their piercing of that air of invincibility that allowed them to convert five-in-a-row into a sixth far too easily in the darkness and despair of last December, has changed the complexion of the decade ahead.
The expected Dublin v Kerry duopoly, framed by the competing talents of David Clifford and Con O’Callaghan, will manifest to some degree but to the extent that we expected a year ago? It doesn’t look so certain now.
The difference between Tyrone though and those teams that sense they are closer to them than Dublin or Kerry brings to mind Brian Cody’s remarks in a speech made in UCD in 2015.
“You should never say you’re prepared to die to win. You should always be prepared to kill to win a game.”
Tyrone teams have a habit of getting the job done in All-Ireland finals, whether that’s senior, U-20 or minor. They are what Cody might describe as ‘killers’.
Between 1991 and 2021 they’ve contested 20 finals across all grades and won 14, a 70pc success rate. Kerry’s strike rate is 61pc, 17 from 28 across the same time-frame.
They are a phenomenal football county of the modern age, offering the blueprint for a lot of others that with the right levels of interest and structures, anything is attainable.
Tyrone are blessed too with one of the most competitive club environments in the country as the summer of 2020 illustrated when so many of their live matches were shown on TG4.
Their clubs may not progress to win many Ulster club titles but the variety of different winners from year to year is evidence of a very high standard across the board. And that feeds into the senior squads.
But this summer has seen hope for other counties at lower levels too. The concluding stages of the 2020 All-Ireland MFC overlapped and finished in July when a powerful Derry beat Kerry.
That was followed last month by Meath winning a first All-Ireland minor title since 1992, having put back-to-back Leinster minor titles together. In Connacht, Sligo were minor champions, dethroning Roscommon who had beaten them in the previous year’s final on St Stephen’s Day.
In Ulster, Monaghan had won two successive minor titles before being displaced by Tyrone.
The most remarkable triumph of all was Offaly’s at All-Ireland U-20 level, achieved playing great football and by beating Dublin in a Leinster final, Cork in an All-Ireland semi-final and Roscommon in the final. If that didn’t get others in the province and beyond sitting up and taking notice, what will?
Cork, Galway and Offaly have been the last three U-20 champions, Kildare before that. Cork, Derry and Meath have been the last three minor champions, succeeding Kerry after their five-in-a-row
Underage success comes with a strong note of caution about the future but still, it’s a sign of a county doing its business right at one level and projecting a sense of optimism.
Dublin have contested a couple of All-Ireland U-20 finals and lost in recent years but that grip on the psyche of football that they had for much of the last decade is weakening and there is some acceptance that the conveyor belt of stellar talent that the county has enjoyed for so long now is not whirring at the same pace or producing the same quality.
It looks unlikely that a new championship format will be ushered in for 2022, despite expectations around a Special Congress that will consider two proposals once Covid restrictions are lifted completely and crowds can gather in larger numbers post October 22.
So a return to the pre-2018 (no Super 8s) format, qualifiers and quarter-finals with a Tailteann Cup, will be in play.
But at least there is the hope now that over the next few years the landscape will radiate with different colours. Tyrone have pointed the way on that.
|
|
|
Post by Lolly Valance on Sept 13, 2021 21:00:14 GMT
Looking at this year's team you could really only say the following players are certain to start, as long as form and fitness continues in the same vein.
Shane Ryan
Tom O'Sullivan
Gavin White
Diarmuid O'Connor
Sean O'Shea Paudie Clifford
David Clifford
That's roughly half the team. I'm not casting any players aside but, we really need to expand options in the squad. A lot of the players are much of the muchness in terms of ability and phyisicallity. We need to build options
That's a lot of uncertainty. Hopefully there will be a proper competitive league and whatever structure they put in place for the championship gives us a few intense meaningful games.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 15, 2021 9:01:43 GMT
Christy Heffernan: Brian Cody can’t give any more than what he has
WED, 15 SEP, 2021 - 07:00 JOHN FOGARTY Former Kilkenny star Christy Heffernan says there is a widespread feeling among keen observers from the county that Brian Cody “can’t give any more than what he has” in his position as senior hurling manager.
The 11-time All-Ireland SHC winning boss was reappointed for a 24th season in 2022 on Monday evening. It follows a second successive Leinster title this year but the team were once more defeated in an All-Ireland semi-final.
Cody will return with the same management team of James McGarry, Martin Comerford, and Conor Phelan but his former teammate Heffernan echoed another old colleague Richie Power’s sentiments last January in highlighting the need for a change.
“Going by the vibes around the place, most people feel he can’t give any more than what he has. He doesn’t owe the county anything and it is time for new ideas and fresh faces. They are the vibes I get from the passionate hurling people on the ground.
“I’m domiciled in Déise country but you hear it down here too. The team hasn’t progressed enough since 2019. The players are there but they don’t seem to be perfecting or executing the current style of play. You don’t have to ask me, ask yourself, why did (2020 selector) DJ Carey walk away?
“You look at what Liam Cahill has done with Waterford, beating the second favourites this year in Galway and then the champions of 2019, Tipperary. Liam has adapted to today’s game and the results are there to prove it.
“Brian was a great player and has been a phenomenal manager over the years but it does seem time to bring in new ideas and fresh blood. The main feeling in the county is that he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone.”
Heffernan agrees there doesn’t appear to be many other people putting up their hands to take the position. “The selectors over time that have been in with Brian have moved on. Martin Fogarty was with him for a long time. Himself and Eddie Brennan would seem strong contenders. Henry (Shefflin) and Michael Fennelly would have to be mentioned too as options.”
Four-time All-Ireland winner Heffernan questions how multiple All-Ireland winners have been treated in the past couple of seasons. “We had Paul Murphy last year and he got no game time and he walked away with still plenty to offer. Colin Fennelly and Ger Aylward walked away too,” he said.
“Now Joey Holden didn’t play this year at all, a strong and experienced defender. Richie Hogan just got a few minutes and should have played in normal time against Cork. In saying that, Cork were the better team on the day.”
Glenmore man Heffernan believes Kilkenny rode their luck prior to that loss to Cork. “The way the Leinster championship went, if HawkEye wasn’t there, Conor McDonald would have beaten us and only for Covid, Dublin would performed much better in the final.
“He has given his heart and soul to Kilkenny hurling and you have to admire him for instilling such hunger and spirit within the teams he has managed not to mention the accolades he has achieved.
“It’s not just me, but at this stage it’s 2015 since we last won an All-Ireland. We never lost two back-to-back All-Ireland semi-finals ever. That was a first this year.”
MORE IN THIS SECTION
|
|
tpo
Senior Member
Posts: 504
|
Post by tpo on Sept 20, 2021 11:01:45 GMT
I would have got The Irish Independent every Monday for club results from around the country but they don't publish them anymore, What paper does?
|
|
|
Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 26, 2021 10:06:43 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Sept 26, 2021 10:33:35 GMT
Awful news to wake up to. It puts the whole Jack situation into perspective. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis.
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Sept 26, 2021 11:49:33 GMT
So, poor old Paddy Prendergast could hold on no longer for a Mayo victory. It is a sad ending for him but I am sure he had great memories of the Mayo good times. Has lived most of his adult life in Tralee where I believe he was a hugely popular figure. Rest In Peace, Paddy.
|
|
|
Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 26, 2021 11:56:30 GMT
As a child I knew Paddy from his visits to my late parent's shop at Lisselton Cross. Funny how it was only in latter years I became aware of the history and probably to do with the emergence of Mayo and the battles with ourselves. To me he was just a pleasant if giant type of gentleman with a permanent endearing smile. In my mind I can still hear him pronounce my name in a most beautiful and personable, maybe trademark tone.
He played with Donegal for 3 years when stationed in Dungloe and it was only after that he got the start with Mayo - maybe this tallies with our own leakage from the pipeline between u18 and senior and while we may talk of commoners thickening the blood, Paddy was known as Mayo's 'ballet' full back.
His life will be documented over the coming days and there are a few blanks I'd like to see filled in.
|
|
|
Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 28, 2021 15:48:27 GMT
A wee condolence hereunder that I left on Paddy's RIP.ie page, just inserting it here in the context of his living in Kerry. One thing that was rare about him was that fullbacks in his day wouldn't always be characterised as nice men. And while people say that about everyone, 'never speak ill of the dead', etc, it was so true here, and it is clear from the messages of sympathy. One is a million he was.
I'd love to hear more about his playing days, did he get involved in any clubs here?, surely some of us came across him though I'd sense he didn't feel too comfortable coming to the fore being a mayo man in Kerry, he had a great way with words, I'd have compared him to our own MOM, consummate gentlemen, wise, gosh one can learn so much by keeping our mouths shut and yes, I have plenty to say for myself!
Giant of a gentleman yet child amongst children.
******
All I knew of was this ‘Mayo man’ calling to my parent's shop and BP ‘pumps’ at Lisselton Cross - a gentle giant of that trademark endearing smile, instantly recognisable to a nation. I can still hear his personable winning-way toned greeting, spontaneously invoking a sense of occasion as he’d dutifully field questions from the local GAA congregation. Alternating seamlessly between light-heart and business, fuelling the economy being the petty excuse to get talking football - the ‘ballet fullback’ was apt alright.
Now nice to hear other ‘retired petrol pump attendant’ recollections of the era; Paddy forever the spark, still oiling the wheels of industry – maybe more the wheel that turns the wheels of industry?
Sympathy to his wife and family, and to his friends - you can take solace in the know that he left a beautiful mark at his every crossroads, and there were a few - and he will hold court yet.
Thanks for the memories Paddy.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 28, 2021 21:01:34 GMT
I don't wish to prolong the debate on the appointment of the Manager but the thread was locked before i could reply to this so i am answering the question here now.
I said; 'I dont think its fair to impugn the integrity of the sub comittee'.
Buck02 replied 'Would you say the same if the treasurer Tom Keane was on the 5 man committee'.
My reply' 'I would expect a relation of the applicant to absent themselves from the process'
|
|
|
Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 28, 2021 21:26:54 GMT
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Sept 29, 2021 21:45:09 GMT
UCC had a good win this evening , q/f stage I think . Conor Geaney got 1-4 , Sean Quilter 0-3 and seemingly Diarmuid O’Connor got a marvelous goal playing at midfield.
Conor Geaney is a man I thought would be knocking on the door at this stage.
|
|
|
Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 30, 2021 0:27:17 GMT
Was just rooting around and came by something rare, very rare to me.
Go to 14:40 in this clip - now who is that sat down on the extreme right?
Amazing what one finds when they root around!
Remember his one word reply when asked which he preferred? The first and last letter was an 'F', and so were all the ones in between!
And didn't Paddy Prendergast sing out the show above.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Oct 1, 2021 8:19:23 GMT
U20 Football Championship set for return next spring There is a possibility the hurling equivalent may also be scheduled for the first quarter of the year.
THU, 30 SEP, 2021 - 22:16 JOHN FOGARTY
The U20 All-Ireland football championship is expected to return to spring next season.
There is a possibility the hurling equivalent may also be scheduled for the first quarter of the year.
After being played alongside the senior championship in 2019 and ‘20, the U20 football competition began in spring last year before the pandemic hit.
This season, it ran concurrently with the senior championship due to time constraints.
By bringing forward the U20 competitions, there will be more opportunity for under-age players to line out for both their county’s under-age and senior teams.
Rule 6.17 of the GAA Official Guide (Part I) states a player who participates in a senior football championship game is ineligible to participate in the U20 All-Ireland competition. The same applies for Liam MacCarthy Cup teams in hurling.
In 2018, David Clifford and Seán O’Shea were unable to line out for Kerry’s U20s as a result of the rule after playing in Kerry’s Munster semi-final victory against Clare.
This year, Shane Barrett and Alan Connolly missed Cork’s U20 All-Ireland winning campaign having come off the bench in the senior side’s Munster semi-final against Limerick in early July.
Not since 2017 when the football competition was U21 has the competition been started and concluded in the first quarter of the year. Dublin beat Galway in that year’s decider at the end of April.
The Central Competitions Controls Committee will not finalise a masters fixtures calendar for 2022 until after Special Congress chooses a senior football championship format.
MORE IN THIS SECTION
|
|
|
Post by givehimaball on Oct 1, 2021 11:46:49 GMT
U20 Football Championship set for return next spring There is a possibility the hurling equivalent may also be scheduled for the first quarter of the year. THU, 30 SEP, 2021 - 22:16 JOHN FOGARTY The U20 All-Ireland football championship is expected to return to spring next season. There is a possibility the hurling equivalent may also be scheduled for the first quarter of the year. After being played alongside the senior championship in 2019 and ‘20, the U20 football competition began in spring last year before the pandemic hit. This season, it ran concurrently with the senior championship due to time constraints. By bringing forward the U20 competitions, there will be more opportunity for under-age players to line out for both their county’s under-age and senior teams. Rule 6.17 of the GAA Official Guide (Part I) states a player who participates in a senior football championship game is ineligible to participate in the U20 All-Ireland competition. The same applies for Liam MacCarthy Cup teams in hurling. In 2018, David Clifford and Seán O’Shea were unable to line out for Kerry’s U20s as a result of the rule after playing in Kerry’s Munster semi-final victory against Clare. This year, Shane Barrett and Alan Connolly missed Cork’s U20 All-Ireland winning campaign having come off the bench in the senior side’s Munster semi-final against Limerick in early July. Not since 2017 when the football competition was U21 has the competition been started and concluded in the first quarter of the year. Dublin beat Galway in that year’s decider at the end of April. The Central Competitions Controls Committee will not finalise a masters fixtures calendar for 2022 until after Special Congress chooses a senior football championship format. MORE IN THIS SECTION The U20 football Championship has been flung about the place like a beach ball the last few years. This year's championship had a raft of excellent games with loads of great football but the promotion by the GAA was seriously poor.
|
|
|
Post by The16thMan on Oct 1, 2021 14:03:12 GMT
It appears Peter Keane had the backing of the players to stay on.
Peter Keane's statement in full: It has been a real honour for me to be have been involved with the Kerry county set-up over the last decade – from Development Squad level, to managing both the minor and senior football teams.
It was great to work with so many of our talented young footballers. To watch their progression - showing potential from young players in development squads was a privilege. To be able to guide them to make the step up to minor level and then onto senior level has been hugely rewarding.
Unfortunately, losing the semi-final by one point in extra time to the eventual All-Ireland winners, led to a decision to end the work we had started and the momentum we had built. I know the players very much wanted us to continue with our project. They were the reason I wanted to stay. We were a united Kerry team with a great sense of purpose and ambition.
All the players communicated to the County Board sub-committee their strong preference for the present management to be retained. It's most disappointing that their wishes do not appear to have been considered in the decision-making process.
The players are a credit to their families, partners, clubs, and communities. I wish them every success in the future as they start out again.
It has been a very tough time for everyone over the last while. During my term, we had two very unusual GAA seasons. It was fantastic to start seeing fans back at games again. I will now re-join the Kerry supporters in the stands and the terraces, and I want to thank all the wonderful Kerry supporters who have given us such fantastic backing over the years.
I would also like to pay tribute to all those who have been involved in the backroom teams at minor and senior level over the past six years – especially James Foley, Maurice Fitzgerald, and Tommy Griffin. There are too many others to mention but they all know how much I appreciated their input and friendship.
I'd especially like to thank my wife Siobhán and my three boys for giving me their unwavering and unbelievable support over the years.
Ciarraí Abú.
Peter Keane
|
|
|
Post by Attacking Wing Back on Oct 1, 2021 14:40:24 GMT
Would always take managers claiming that all the players wanted them to stay on with a pinch of salt. I'm not saying the majority were not in favour of Keane staying on. However it's logical some players would prefer a change surely for selfish reasons that they might get more game time etc. Hopefully this statement draws a line under it. Interesting how history repeats itself nearly 20 years later with Jack taking over from a manager that didn't want to leave. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-10115879.html
|
|
|
Post by buck02 on Oct 1, 2021 14:52:24 GMT
I wonder will Peter Keane be thanked formally for his time as Kerry manager.
I suppose when we look back on it we should acknowledge that 2019 was the only normal year he had if you can call inter County management normal. 2020 and 2021 must have been very difficult times to manage a football team.
I also wonder in the future will he be tempted to take to the inter County mileage circuit like others have.
|
|
|
Post by givehimaball on Oct 1, 2021 15:06:11 GMT
Would always take managers claiming that all the players wanted them to stay on with a pinch of salt. I'm not saying the majority were not in favour of Keane staying on. However it's logical some players would prefer a change surely for selfish reasons that they might get more game time etc. Yeah - I mean looking through the squad (both starters and squad members) there's a fair number of players who would have to be worried about the possibility of dropping down the pecking order [either off the starting 15 or off the squad completely] if a new manager comes in. The easy option for a player who is in the squad is to stick with the manager who has been selecting them.
|
|