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Post by Moderator on Aug 25, 2021 15:17:16 GMT
A few vaccination posts deleted.
I'm very slow to start banning repeat offenders as we gear up for the business end of the inter-county football, but the time is very near for some.
Please keep the topic on football matters.
Thanks.
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Post by Moderator on Aug 25, 2021 18:20:15 GMT
Posters continue to go off football matters only.
This thread will be locked for now.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 30, 2021 8:03:34 GMT
At this age Pat Spillane is not going to change i suppose. As long as he keeps himself 'relevant' and getting hits on social media he is happy.
However, is there nobody in Kerry that could have a word in his ear.
It can't be easy for young Killian trying to make his breakthrough with the 'embarrassing uncle at the wedding' drama unfolding in the back ground.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Aug 30, 2021 8:44:30 GMT
Spillane is long past changing but it is saying something when Cavanagh is even more obnoxious. Cavanagh is not popular in Tyrone and in his short media career has been classless on several occasions.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 30, 2021 21:25:36 GMT
MON, 30 AUG, 2021 - 21:40 John fogarty
John Fogarty You wouldn’t know it but Gaelic football faces a potentially seismic event next month.
Not the prospect of Mayo ending the 70-year famine or Tyrone leapfrogging them in the roll of honour for their fourth Sam Maguire Cup but the Special Congress pencilled in to take place the weekend after the final.
The freshness of the September 11 pairing means there isn’t going to be a huge amount of debate about what is scheduled to be on the Clár in Croke Park seven days later. This wasn’t how it was supposed to be, of course. Had the final been played as it was planned this past Sunday, there would have been ample time to air the rights and wrongs of the two proposals up for debate.
That is to say there are two being put forward by the fixtures review committee established in former GAA president John Horan’s time — the four provincial conferences of eight teams and the All-Ireland SFC being played on the basis of the Allianz Football League. In the event both fail to receive the required 60% support to come into force in 2022 on a three-year trial basis, then the pre-2018 qualifier system and the awful Super 8 system are back in contention.
Whatever happens, delegates have to vote in a format for next season.
Hopes in Croke Park that the GAA will be “bold and trial one of the new formats” as president Larry McCarthy called for last February are dwindling. It hasn’t helped that the discussion has dropped off the radar and the body that put forward the proposals are no longer operational.
If the provincial roadshows on which the fixtures review body outlined their recommendations are anything to go by, neither will receive enough support. The eight-team provincial football championships was the preferred choice of 47% of those who filled out feedback sheets while just 15% endorsed the league-based All-Ireland SFC.
Then there are also those in officialdom who don’t want either of the new systems to come into place. Some believe that the split season, which commences in earnest next year, is enough of a platform to devise something better over the next while. Others feel sticking with the qualifier system for another year or two would be no bad thing.
What can’t be dismissed either is the power of this novel final pairing. Emboldened by the appearance of Tyrone on football’s ultimate day, Ulster will be even stronger in their opposition of anything they see as upsetting their competition.
“We would not be in favour of breaking up the most successful provincial championship in football,” Antrim chairman Ciarán McCavana said last January before dismissing the league-based All-Ireland SFC.
“That’s downgrading the Ulster Championship to a glorified McKenna Cup and I don’t think that will fly in Ulster.”
That can be taken to the bank but if one county should be backing a breaking up of the provinces in favour of the league it’s Kerry.
Two years of knockout football has taught them hard lessons about being undercooked, having no game prior to facing Cork last year being a hindrance and then beating two Division 2 and one Division 4 team by a collective 50 points in contrast to Tyrone beating one Division 3 side and two Division 1 outfits by an aggregate 15 points.
The Munster Championship can no longer be trusted to prime them. It’s often been said that a strong Cork makes a stronger Kerry. In the 10 previous occasions they have reached the All-Ireland final, in getting there Kerry have beaten Cork in Munster on seven occasions, losing three. The average margin between the counties in those years spanning 2004 to ‘19 were two points. Contrast that to this year’s 22-point difference between the neighbours in Killarney.
Ask Peter Keane now if he would like to be going into an All-Ireland quarter-final on the back of a Division 1 campaign and while he mightn’t admit it you can be sure he would love to be going into an All-Ireland quarter-final on the back of seven games against the best teams in the country.
In his three years, Kerry have topped Division 1 twice (beaten by Mayo in the 2019 final, deigned champions having finished first last season) and shared the title with Dublin in this year’s geographically split top flight.
Based on their 2019 and ‘20 finishes, they would have faced Division 2, 3 or 4 opposition in their quarter-finals. A breather after being the best in Division 1.
The return of the Super 8 would be the next best alternative for Kerry if only to prepare them for Croke Park where they have won just one of their last eight championship games. Any lack of battle fitness in Munster would be offset by playing teams who have qualified for the last eight. Or found out, as was the case in 2018.
Either way, tradition is no longer as much a friend of Kerry’s.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 31, 2021 11:26:39 GMT
This is huge for us id rather the status quo e.g. super 8s than the 8 team provinces all that means is if i have it right one of the minnows from leinster come in totally pointless for everyone but especially us. The league format is interesting but flawed aswell and I'd say there will be a lot of opposition to that particularly up north. I think it's the bottom 3 in div 1 would be put of Sam Maguire which is crazy in a seven game league a team could be gone on score difference. As only 5 teams from div 1 and 3 from div2 make it into the quarters there would be a lot of counties likely to be put out. Take the 2020 league for example. Mayo Meath and monaghan would not contest the quarters whereas limerick and cork would. Lots of counties who are just below the top tier would be in danger of losing out. Off the top of my head monaghan,meath, kildare,cork roscommon armagh Derry etc. Too many counties and provincial councils are likely to lose out I think this is a non runner. I'd say the status quo will win out and if they go back to 2019 munster and leinster will be together so would likely be a tough group with kerry, dublin and probably the Ulster finalists and one of Galway or roscommon. Likely scenario then is we play Galway or roscommon at home ( as it would at this juncture look like Donegal or monaghan in cp vs the dubs then we have to win one of next two games vs the dubs "neutral" croke park or away to Donegal or monaghan fairly tough going! This the most likely to occur imo especially as it would make a fortune on one side you would have kerry dublin in cp and the other mayo and Tyrone probably two very big crowds there!
Ps apologies about the lenght of the post !
Edit it could be armagh Derry or even Tyrone and mayo aswell. That would be some group of death kerry ,dublin mayo and tyrone
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2021 14:09:34 GMT
Premium The GAA were given a goldmine of All-Ireland tickets – but kowtowed to the vaccine-hesitant brigade again
Fionnán Sheahan Croke Park had a chance to take a stand for the vaccination effort – unlike Tyrone
September 02 2021 11:58 AM It was one of the great days. Brian Cody’s all-star, all-talented, all-conquering Kilkenny were heading for an historic All-Ireland five-in-a-row. Tipperary stood in their way. However, Lar Corbett stopped them in their tracks on a wet day in Croke Park 11 years ago this week. Thankfully, I had a ticket on a day a fellah from my home town of Thurles scored a remarkable hat-trick to kill the Cats. Unfortunately, I wasn’t there as I was at home too sick to move from the bed.
All week long, I had been hoping to recover in time, pumping in the antibiotics, lemon drinks and inhalers, putting off the fitness test until the last minute. Come 2:30pm, it was time to give up. A few text messages were sent out looking for a genuine Tipp supporter hanging around Jones Road ticketless.
Mattie McGrath, the Independent TD, came back with the name of a man from Ardfinnan who was outside Gills Corner. A real loyal fan. A friend ran down and gave him the Hogan Stand ticket. Yer man won the lotto. He’ll remember the day.
All-Ireland final tickets are coveted, cherished and clung to. You’re never sure to be going until the ticket is physically in your hand. And when you don't have a ticket, there’s always the hope of someone having a spare. From the Marina entrance to Páirc UÍ Chaoimh to The Square in Roscommon, on a big day, there’s always a lad holding a sign saying: ‘Ticéad ag teastáil do tacaí dílís’, ‘Ticket wanted for loyal fan’. No doubt there’ll be plenty of Mayo and Tyrone fans to be found around Drumcondra in 12 days time.
This year, with the reduced Covid-19 capacity, tickets are like gold-dust. Fortunately ahead of the football decider, the GAA hit a potential goldmine of tickets with the increased numbers allowed to attend as pandemic restrictions drop.
Rather than the half-full 40,000 at the All-Ireland hurling final between Limerick and Cork, a three-quarters full 60,000 is allowed on Saturday week. The extra 20,000 tickets is the ultimate bonanza.
ADVERTISEMENT The only catch is the all fans would have to be vaccinated.
No problem there, Mayo has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country, coming seventh in the league table in the Republic with a 94.8pc vaccine update, well above the 91.86 national average. Out of every 20 Mayo people, 19 are vaccinated.
The Digital Covid Certificate has been in operation in the county all summer for the tourist season. As the county bids to end the curse and win an All-Ireland for the first time in 70 years, that would be an extra 10,000 tickets on the table.
Except the GAA isn't taking them up.
The excuse that it's too late to introduce checks hardly stacks up.
Anyone who has ever gone to a concert at Croke Park will be familiar with the bag checks at the turnstiles. You often meet the same stewards at concerts as you do at matches.
And the New York-based GAA President Larry McCarthy has clearly never gone through the security checks at Madison Square Garden if he thinks the expertise is not available and it's complicated.
Security checks are the norm at many stadia across the US and Europe. Fans just have to factor in the additional time it will take to queue into their arrival for the game.
ADVERTISEMENT The reality is across the border in Tyrone, the vaccine programme hasn’t been quite as efficient. The take up in Northern Ireland is far lower than the Republic and even slightly lower than the rest of the UK: 76.9pc of people aged 16 and over in Northern Ireland have had two doses of a Covid vaccine, compared with 77.2pc in England, 79.5pc in Scotland, and 83.3pc in Wales.
Officials in Northern Ireland estimate that around 5pc of the population there, roughly 90 000 people, are staunchly opposed to getting the vaccine.
The Northern Executive, in their wisdom, decided to drop the restrictions a lot earlier than their Southern counterparts and there was no need for a vaccine passport to get into a pub or restaurant. Of course, Stormont’s hastiness to be ‘back to normal’ has come at a cost.
The British Medical Journal says medical experts in Northern Ireland are striving to pinpoint why the country has such a high death rate from Covid-19. Its current seven day death rate per 100 000 people is more than twice as high as in the wider UK and 10 times as high as in the Republic of Ireland.
“Northern Ireland’s chief scientific adviser, Ian Young, has said that while there have been cases of young, unvaccinated people dying from covid-19 recently, the majority of deaths remain among elderly people,” the BMJ reported in a paper yesterday.
The spread of the virus was not linked to any single event or outbreak but rather is down to widespread community transmission. The highest number of Covid-19 cases reported in a single day in Northern Ireland to date was 2397, on August 20. Experts are pointing the finger at a decline in the use of face coverings, a higher increase in the number of contacts between people and local politicians sending out “mixed messages” regarding the necessity of social distancing restrictions.
“That has probably led to a certain amount of apathy towards the pandemic,” Mark Tully, professor of public health at Ulster University, explained.
ADVERTISEMENT Add in Northern Ireland having higher levels of chronic disease and social deprivation than other parts of the UK, which could also be influencing its death rate. Many of Northern Ireland’s hospitals have reported being at or over capacity for months now, with a mix of Covid-19 and other condition.
This week, hospitals in Northern Ireland asked people to avoid going there if possible as the emergency department was under extreme pressure. Tyrone is in the eye of the storm. The region around Omagh has the worst case numbers in Northern Ireland. The area around Strabane has the second worst figures.
Northern Ireland does have a Covid-19 passport for those going abroad on their holidays. It’s had a troubled few months and the NI COVID Certification Service is experiencing extremely high levels of demand.
The prospect of fans from Tyrone being able to get a Covid-19 passport to prove they are vaccinated in time for the match were slim, but it would have been worth a shot to see if the Northern Executive could operate a fast-track system.
But Tyrone GAA has hardly lead the charge to set a good example for the community to encourage vaccine take-up. The county’s semi-final game against Kerry had to be postponed due to a Covid-19 outbreak in the Ulster Champions squad.
Fair enough, cases have happened in professional football and rugby teams too. Tyrone were accommodated with the postponement, but there was some astonishment when it emerged some of the players were not vaccinated. In an interview with the Irish Examiner, Tyrone joint-manager Fergal Logan admitted “there are a series of players in the panel who are vaccinated”, but he also added that management didn’t make vaccination mandatory as they were anxious that players “might go under for two weeks” following vaccination and have their performance inhibited.
Plus, there are unanswered accusations about social events being attended by panel members where distancing wasn't observed. GAA players in every county are role models for young people, but Tyrone have put results above safety. The irony of a team winning an All-Ireland after ignoring the clear advice to get vaccinated will be quite hard to take.
ADVERTISEMENT Northern Ireland’s complacency towards Covid-19 will again have an impact south of the border.
One of our greatest national organisations had a chance to take a stand for the vaccination effort. Worse yet, by not insisting on match-going fans being vaccinated the GAA will be kowtowing to the vaccine hesitant – again.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2021 14:22:55 GMT
CIARAN MURPHY
As Seán Cavanagh and Pat Spillane hammered away at each other on RTÉ television last Saturday before the All-Ireland football semi-final, it would not have taken a genius to discover where both lads, quite literally, were coming from.
Cavanagh was there to put forward the case for Tyrone, and Spillane was there to voice the Kerry side. Their previous allegiances were already known to most viewers, but a moment in their company on Saturday evening left you in no doubt.
The argument was unsatisfactory, and the surgical approach that would have well served a debate around Tyrone’s Covid cases, with what are, in effect, just two or three very defined questions to answer, gave way to a slanging match. It led to a veritable chorus of people suggesting that completely ‘neutral’ analysis panels for these big games are the way to go.
Why do we have people from the counties involved on TV broadcasts anyway? What we saw on Saturday evening seemed like an inevitable byproduct of bias towards one’s own . . . but I nevertheless disagree entirely with that position.
Analysts from the counties involved are important because they will always know more than someone from outside their county ever could.
Even if a ‘neutral’ TV analyst has seen every game that a senior intercounty footballer has played for that team, a person from their own county will probably have seen three or four times the number of games that player has played – whether that’s at underage county level, at club level or at schools level.
People like conflict: 600,000 people have watched that Spillane/Cavanagh clip on social media since last Saturday It’s just impossible for a TV analyst from outside the county to see that amount of games – they can try and do their homework, but that information is just baked in to the well-informed home pundit – it’s there at that person’s finger tips, ready to be used at the drop of a hat.
It’s important to say here that many pundits do try and bridge that gap and they do that by talking to local journalists, and local radio analysts. The best ones put in that hard work, but it’s still no substitute for first-hand knowledge.
I was talking to someone this week who has been involved in hundreds of these broadcasts over the years who also suggested that ‘home’ pundits also care more, that you would never see a row like that which flared up last Saturday between two neutral pundits.
He was telling me this, and it matters, because people like conflict: 600,000 people have watched that Spillane/Cavanagh clip on social media since last Saturday, so there must be a kernel of truth in there.
Maybe both of Saturday’s combatants saw the reaction to Kevin McStay not being sufficiently critical in the immediate aftermath of the John Small incident in the other semi-final. He clarified his feelings on the tackle on The Sunday Game highlights show, and in print in this newspaper, but it was still deemed to be insufficient.
Some of the abuse he took from Mayo people was laughably over the top. Everyone has to call it as they see it . . . unless you’re talking about one of our own, in which case, get that jersey on and play your part.
The people who say that TV punditry has moved on, and RTÉ needs to move with it, have it slightly wrong The lesson learned by Spillane and Cavanagh might have been that while 31 other counties might blanche at one’s biases being so clearly laid out, the county you actually live in is the only one that actually matters. You’re damned if you do, and you’re damned if you don’t, it seems.
In any case, there’s been a definite shift in sports broadcasting generally towards pundits-as-fans, not away from it. On Sky Sports’ Premier League coverage, there is the Man City one, the Man United one (or two), the Liverpool one (or two), and they’re expected to act as a conduit for the emotion of the audience.
They’re selling the spectacle of sport back to us in the way most of us live through it – as an emotional rather than an analytical experience.
So the people who say that TV punditry has moved on, and RTÉ needs to move with it, have it slightly wrong, too, I think. Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher are very good at analysing games, but that’s not the only reason I find them compulsive viewing.
They like correcting each other, they enjoy taking each other down a peg or two and even if they don’t like each other (they appear to get along famously on air, but that’s no guarantee), they respect each other’s opinions enough to laugh at each other and genuinely challenge each other.
They absolutely do not hide the fact they played for Manchester United and Liverpool for a combined total of well over 30 years. It appears to me as if they’re encouraged to ramp it up. They’ve made mis-steps as they try to tread that line, but bias isn’t the problem.
We’re all biased. Hire the right people to entertain and educate us as you go, and we won’t even care.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2021 8:19:00 GMT
A single season of professional rugby could be enough to cause a decline in a player’s blood flow to the brain and cognitive function, according to a study.
The research, reported by the BBC, also suggests that repetitive contact events, rather than only concussions, incurred through rugby caused the declines seen in the players.
Researchers from the University of South Wales followed a professional team playing in the United Rugby Championship over the course of a season, testing the players pre-season, mid-season and post-season.
The peer-reviewed study, which will be published on Wednesday in the Journal of Experimental Physiology, found that over the season the squad experienced reduced blood flow to the brain and cognitive function – the ability to reason, remember, formulate ideas and perform mental gymnastics.
And while previous research has focused predominantly on the incidence of concussion, there has been little investigation of the physiological toll of repetitive contact on the field.
Some studies suggest professional rugby players could be exposed to thousands of contact events each season. Increasingly, further research is beginning to show that it may not be concussions alone that may affect the brain, but the cumulative effect and volume of contact events as well.
The team behind the study said further research was needed on the long-term effects.
The issue of brain injury in the sport came under the spotlight last year when a group of former players sued the game’s authorities after being diagnosed with early-onset dementia, which they believe was caused during their rugby careers.
In a statement responding to the University of South Wales study, the sport’s governing body, World Rugby, said it welcomed further research. It added: “World Rugby recently committed to double our investment in player welfare and new concussion research and initiatives.”
Funded by the royal society Wolfson Research Fellowship, the research recorded six concussion incidents among the players that took part over the course of the year. Every player involved in the study recorded a decline in blood flow to the brain and cognitive function between pre- and post-season results.
Prof Damian Bailey, one of the authors of the study, said that even over a short period there was a greater decline in brain function. “And we’re assuming our baseline is a normal healthy baseline but many of these players have already had many years playing the game, so that baseline is probably still impaired,” he told the BBC.
The study also found a correlation between an increase in contact amount, playing position and rate of decline on the main measures tested. In forwards, who are involved in more contact, a greater degree of impairment was noticed, relative to backs.
Asked whether any comparison could be made between professional and grassroots level, Bailey told the BBC: “It’s difficult to say, but we don’t think why it would be terribly different,” adding that while professional players have less opportunity to recover, bigger physiques, and potentially bigger impacts as a result of contact, amateurs could have arguably poorer technique and be at risk as a result.
“We have every reason to believe that the damaging effects could be cumulative over time,” Bailey added. The team is also working on a similar study, comparing both current and retired players against a control group to determine whether there is a faster rate of decline in brain function in rugby players. They said further research was needed on the long-term effects of such a decline. - Guardian
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2021 8:20:20 GMT
I can see the 'fair shoulder' being banned in Gaelic football at some point in the future as too often it leads to concussion.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 4, 2021 10:41:13 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2021 10:47:44 GMT
September 03 2021 09:00 PM
I think it was the day of the Munster hurling final that Michael Duignan came to my house in Cork, selling the idea of me coming on board with Offaly footballers.
He was down to do co-commentary in Páirc Uí Chaoimh for the Limerick-Tipperary game and said he’d like to run something by me. We chatted for maybe an hour and a half and, being honest, I was hugely impressed with the seriousness of his ambition as a county chairman.
Straight away, the opportunity of working with John Maughan appealed to me massively too, because I’ve always considered the Mayo man my kind of person. In other words, someone who understands the need to manage people as distinct from players.
He has that balance of being a serious football man with a sense of divilment too, something I like in people. Because there’s got to be a recognition that, if it’s always deathly serious, you’re going to lose people over time.
Maughan gets that.
I see this as a massive personal opportunity, working closely with a man of his calibre. I like to think I’ve something to contribute and hope I can be hands-on in whatever role John sees appropriate for me.
To me, he’s one of the great football men, someone I think was far ahead of his time going all the way back to when he led Clare to that famous Munster final defeat of Kerry way back in ’92.
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I’ll be honest, it was a hard-sell at home. There are four children to be taken into the equation, one of them only a year and a half now. If Orla wasn’t agreeable, there’s simply no way I could have committed to being gone probably three nights a week.
I don’t do things half-heartedly, she knows that.
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Right now, incidentally, my total attention is with Glanmire and our upcoming championship, something I’m really looking forward to.
So I didn’t want the story to come out this week and it really disappointed me that it did. Because there were people I wanted to talk to face-to-face first, something I reckoned I could do once the All-Ireland final was out of the way. Maybe that was naïve on my part.
I happen to believe that tradition is important in a county. Yes, it can feed unrealistic expectation sometimes. But it also instils belief, a can-do attitude. And Offaly have that in spades right now, with Shane Lowry’s support obviously adding to the buzz.
No question, the success of the under-20s is feeding that too. A lot of people maybe still see Offaly as being well down the general pecking order, but I know John is determined to try and change that.
This is a county that can aim high. That can achieve.
I grew up with the ‘Kerry’s Golden Years’ video and, of course, Offaly featured very prominently in that. I always admired the way those Offaly fellas carried themselves and I sometimes wonder if the Matt Connors and Richie Connors and Martin Furlongs and Seán and Brendan Lowrys realise just what household names they were in the Kingdom back then.
They certainly were in my house.
I’ve loved what involvement I’ve had with teams since my retirement as a player, specifically UCC under Billy Morgan and currently Glanmire.
I’d be like a sponge, watching the likes of Billy in action, so I see this as a natural next step up now.
Sadly, it’s one that I believe simply isn’t compatible with my role as a pundit because I honestly cannot see how you can do both.
Not if I want to do either one right. Not if I want to be honest.
So this column, as well my work with The Sunday Game, will, sadly, have to go. I’ll miss them both, but I want to get this right.
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Post by hatchetman on Sept 4, 2021 13:00:02 GMT
"So this column, as well my work with The Sunday Game, will, sadly, have to go. I’ll miss them both, but I want to get this right."
Wow, I'm impressed with that ... unless the mileage rate up and down to Offaly is exceptional.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 4, 2021 14:01:44 GMT
"So this column, as well my work with The Sunday Game, will, sadly, have to go. I’ll miss them both, but I want to get this right." Wow, I'm impressed with that ... unless the mileage rate up and down to Offaly is exceptional. It’s not about the money for Tomás. I think it’s clear he’s a huge interest in football and getting into management. In his other recent article he revealed he applied for the Kerry u20 manager position after John Sugrue stepped down, there’s no money in that. He’s managing Glanmire’s Senior team this year who I think are in the 4th tier of Cork football after guiding their minors to winning the county. He has been involved coaching UCC under Billy Morgan and is now going in with Offaly where he’ll be learning from John Maughan. He’s gradually getting good, varied experience. I definitely think he’ll have a role to play when it comes to the management of the Kerry Seniors down the line. I’d think as manager but obviously he’d have to prove himself as a manager before that.
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Post by veteran on Sept 4, 2021 14:08:23 GMT
There are not too many media commentators who are prepared to do what Tomás is doing, turning his back on lucrative numbers to get involved with a team who are well down the food chain at present. I said in a previous post Tomas bleeds Kerry football. There maybe a time in the future when that man comes back to do in a managerial capacity for us what he once did as a player. No matter what the fall out will be in Offaly , Tomás can only benefit from the experience and that benefit may ultimately accrue to Kerry supporters. Sincere best wishes Tomás.
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Post by john4 on Sept 4, 2021 19:41:10 GMT
Our Dublin contributors might have thoughts on this. Would anyone see a possible link between the recent decline in the fortunes of the ROI soccer team and the large amount of money spent on underage Gaa coaching in Dublin over quite a number of years now. Even the Dublin league of Ireland clubs seem to be in decline also.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 4, 2021 20:15:25 GMT
Our Dublin contributors might have thoughts on this. Would anyone see a possible link between the recent decline in the fortunes of the ROI soccer team and the large amount of money spent on underage Gaa coaching in Dublin over quite a number of years now. Even the Dublin league of Ireland clubs seem to be in decline also. You have to take into account the gross mismanagement of the FAI. A better question might be is there a link between the gross mismanagement of the FAI and the increase in the fortunes of Dublin GAA. Indeed as far as I know rugby is not doing unduly poorly in Dublin... in areas where GAA is thriving. I understand there is little GAA between the canals... one club?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2021 22:26:51 GMT
Our Dublin contributors might have thoughts on this. Would anyone see a possible link between the recent decline in the fortunes of the ROI soccer team and the large amount of money spent on underage Gaa coaching in Dublin over quite a number of years now. Even the Dublin league of Ireland clubs seem to be in decline also. The enlargement of the EU meant far more players able to work in England compared to the era of Brady, Stapleton etc. Very few Irish players get to play with top 5 or 6 English clubs now compared to back then so i can that is a big factor.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 4, 2021 22:41:48 GMT
Our Dublin contributors might have thoughts on this. Would anyone see a possible link between the recent decline in the fortunes of the ROI soccer team and the large amount of money spent on underage Gaa coaching in Dublin over quite a number of years now. Even the Dublin league of Ireland clubs seem to be in decline also. You have to take into account the gross mismanagement of the FAI. A better question might be is there a link between the gross mismanagement of the FAI and the increase in the fortunes of Dublin GAA. Indeed as far as I know rugby is not doing unduly poorly in Dublin... in areas where GAA is thriving. I understand there is little GAA between the canals... one club? Most soccer clubs up here have no facilities, no clubhouse. Play on public pitches. A pal of mine was coaching a soccer team a few years back. He had a panel of 15. If another kid wanted to join he was told he couldn't unless another parent was prepared to form another team. No such thing as every kid getting game. That was from a very young age group. Dublin has embraced hurling hugely. Years ago you only saw a fella with a Hurley if you were in Donnycarney or Crumlin. Now they regularly carry them around the streets and not as weapons.
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Post by veteran on Sept 5, 2021 15:56:49 GMT
Marvelous contest between Meath and Dublin in women’s final . Meath five up at half time. A leaving cert student from Meath emulated Gavin White in lobbing the Dublin goalie for a wonderful goal. Dublin will surely show in second half why they are multiple champions.
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Post by john4 on Sept 5, 2021 16:42:36 GMT
Marvelous contest between Meath and Dublin in women’s final . Meath five up at half time. A leaving cert student from Meath emulated Gavin White in lobbing the Dublin goalie for a wonderful goal. Dublin will surely show in second half why they are multiple champions. Genuinely one of the best football match I've seen this year. A fantastic contest of pure football with excellent skill and fitness levels by both teams.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 5, 2021 16:42:37 GMT
The Ladies Final was incredible.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2021 17:22:55 GMT
The 11th point by Meath was one of the best ever scored in Croker. Vicky Hall made the hard yards to drive up the field and she laid it off to a colleague who finished like Bernie Flynn of old with the left.
Its an amazing achievement considering they were dead and buried v Cork being 2 goals behind in injury till Vickie Wall won the penalty.
Dublin not the same with Noelle Healy... now retired and is now the team doctor.
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Post by veteran on Sept 5, 2021 18:07:36 GMT
Marvelous contest between Meath and Dublin in women’s final . Meath five up at half time. A leaving cert student from Meath emulated Gavin White in lobbing the Dublin goalie for a wonderful goal. Dublin will surely show in second half why they are multiple champions. I suggested at half time that Dublin would not submit without a fight. That is the way it transpired . They went down as defiantly as champions ever have. It looked all through the second half that they would eventually submerge Meath but Meath responded with the stubbornness their men used to exhibit under Sean Boylan and refused to bend the knee. That Vicky Wall must a frightening sight for opposing defenders when she puts the head down, not unlike Cora Staunton, though without the scoring threat of Cora, yet in any case. One had to marvel at the level of endeavour , skill and fitness. The referee helped by being more lenient in the the tackle , allowing more physical contact than usual, an area which often bedevils the ladies game. When one considers that to win the title , Meath had to beat the two dominant forces in successive games their win becomes all the more meritorious. It becomes even more significant that they become champions after playing at the intermediate level last year. That will surely encourage other counties, including our own.
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Post by taggert on Sept 5, 2021 18:30:33 GMT
Thought the Dublin manager spoke marvellously well after the game. Effusive in his praise of Meath and their honesty of effort. Citing if Dublin were in any way soft or complacent that he was responsible for that. And honestly suggesting that some of their more senior players may decide they cant give anymore after monumental efforts over a decade.
Meath showed wonderful patience for some of their second half scores when Dublin had big numbers back behind the ball, working the ball to the player with a high percentage chance - a real contrast to the many individual lone salvos pursued by a different Green n Gold a week ago.....
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 5, 2021 19:03:26 GMT
We often talk of competing sports but I wonder is it a case of there being plenty to go around, well in terms of numbers of players anyway? Of course it is not so simple, e.g. the numbers playing soccer in Donegal are on a par with 'The Gaelic' as we call it, and I wonder what it is like in different geographies - by that I mean not alone other places but also urban v rural, etc?
And then you have resources and you could include supporters and indeed finance/sponsorship in that - what would things be like if hurling was on a par with football in Kerry? - would football suffer I wonder? Now I am open to correction here but when Kerry and Kilkenny were at their peak, were they not the only two counties not to field a county team in the other code?, so maybe not enough to go around in every respect? I suppose most dual counties are biggish - Cork and Galway both having cities and vast areas dedicated to the respective speciality, be that football or hurling.
I may also have flagged it previously that hurling is generally played where there is better land, e.g. East Galway, East Cork and East Donegal - historic reasons, shinty landlords preferred arable soils!
The physics alone of both football and hurling is the mainstay of the codes but everything needs to be got right as well. It is unlikely GAA games will ever be majority sports outside Ireland and so overheads bear heavy. To me the greatest challenge is to nurture the quality and regulation is proving a stumbling block, and partly because we have a limited enough playing population for experimenting. Contrast that with say soccer and where you can see what works elsewhere, or doesn't as the case may be, and then tweak accordingly. I'd be keen on change but it needs to be well thought through and yes, the black card is the star example - I believe it is necessary but it appears referees are hell bent on having it abolished. Maybe Video assistance will help and precedents therein will give clarity - it is so hard on players when they don't know the rules and that is where we are. What I find odd is that analysts are consistent on the poor decisions and which questions what referees have in their cornflakes - maybe they need that Tyrone Covid magic mushroom herb which I believe was formulated by was it Dr Brian Dooherbs? So there will be plenty of Stop and Search by The Garda county next Sunday as they explore more how this Tyrone Covid herb works in a new environment. Will it be as effective as it was on the naive Kerry gene or will they reformulate a Delta version for the Maigh Eo variant? One thing for sure, whatever they come up with, it will be tested. I suppose if we aren't there ourselves, it is probably the dream match-up, I still can't believe it.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 5, 2021 20:24:38 GMT
Marvelous contest between Meath and Dublin in women’s final . Meath five up at half time. A leaving cert student from Meath emulated Gavin White in lobbing the Dublin goalie for a wonderful goal. Dublin will surely show in second half why they are multiple champions. I suggested at half time that Dublin would not submit without a fight. That is the way it transpired . They went down as defiantly as champions ever have. It looked all through the second half that they would eventually submerge Meath but Meath responded with the stubbornness their men used to exhibit under Sean Boylan and refused to bend the knee. That Vicky Wall must a frightening sight for opposing defenders when she puts the head down, not unlike Cora Staunton, though without the scoring threat of Cora, yet in any case. One had to marvel at the level of endeavour , skill and fitness. The referee helped by being more lenient in the the tackle , allowing more physical contact than usual, an area which often bedevils the ladies game. When one considers that to win the title , Meath had to beat the two dominant forces in successive games their win becomes all the more meritorious. It becomes even more significant that they become champions after playing at the intermediate level last year. That will surely encourage other counties, including our own. The referee let Dublin away with an awful lot today but having said that Vicki Wall took about 10 steps every time she got the ball. Meath were impressive for a team that were not given a hope. I have 4 clubmates on that Dublin panel. A lot of sad faces around the place tonight.
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Post by glengael on Sept 9, 2021 11:19:06 GMT
I hope they get the TV panel right for Sunday. No Cavanagh, Spillane or Mayo pundit for a start. This may mean Ciaran Whelan and Dessie Dolan but they'd be an a bit better, well only slightly. Will Marty or Ger get the commentary I wonder?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 9, 2021 11:59:45 GMT
I hope they get the TV panel right for Sunday. No Cavanagh, Spillane or Mayo pundit for a start. This may mean Ciaran Whelan and Dessie Dolan but they'd be an a bit better, well only slightly. Will Marty or Ger get the commentary I wonder? Dessie Dolan yikes. I presume Darragh Maloney for commentary.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 9, 2021 22:14:45 GMT
Oisin Mc Colville is one of the better ones. Not a fan of Dessie Dolan.
As much as I was a fan of Spillane in his playing days I think its time for him to retire gracefully.
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