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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2021 0:31:24 GMT
I'll settle for 2nd place, you pip me at the post by your own admission, comhghairdeas! Meanwhile a notion doing the circles, well Ballydonoghoor circles, is would our own Jayo be worth a try at CHB. Total contrast to the auld Horse, faster but not as strong - but the game is so much faster these days? I suppose Jayo is worth his place, so could he be better deployed? Then again PK thought he wasn't starting 15'eener, until he realised what Jayo was doing that he wasn't getting credit for. What about a linking CHF?, it is a roaming role these days. Ala Galvin - almighty pace, Jayo would have ball moved around before opponents could say scissors, ala Tadhgeen, Ogie? Foley at centre forward is a great idea alright.... Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere?
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Feb 2, 2021 0:39:32 GMT
Foley at centre forward is a great idea alright.... Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere? I think for no.6 in addition to the obvious defensive ability we need someone with a bit more vision and ability to work the ball up the field and this i do not think is Jason’s greatest strength. I’m all for different ideas though.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 2, 2021 11:46:03 GMT
Foley at centre forward is a great idea alright.... Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere? There’s trying things and there’s wanting a corner back whose abilities are defending and marking at centre forward. Like a lot of corner backs he looks to hand pass it off straight away when he gets it as he knows he’ll be dispossessed if he holds onto to it. Probably one of the most uncomfortable players on the panel on the ball but sure let’s try him as our playmaker. Most of the time players are in a position for a reason; it’s their best position. I don’t see anyone on the panel who would benefit from a radical position change at the moment. Foley at centre back isn’t as ludicrous but at the same time he’s just not a centre back and would be a downgrade on the likes of Gavin Crowley. If Foley is playing it will be at corner back. I see a good battle this coming year between himself, Peter Crowley and Sherwood for one corner back position.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 2, 2021 14:20:57 GMT
That team in full:
1. Paul Murphy 2. David Moran 3. David Clifford 4. Shane Ryan 5. Paul Geaney 6. Killian Spillane 7. Sean O'Shea 8. Gavin Crowley 9. James O'Donoghue 10. Tom O'Sullivan 11. Jason Foley 12. Peter Crowley 13. Jack Barry 14. Gavin White 15. Tadgh Morley
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Post by glengael on Feb 2, 2021 15:44:33 GMT
Garry Brennan has retired . One of the best of his era. Starred year after year with little tangible reward . Obviously persevered because he loved his hobby. In an age when some players constantly moan about the sacrifices they make it is refreshing to observe Garry who clearly never forgot why he started to play football. If sacrifices are too great, set your goals at a more modest level or choose another pastime. Enjoy retirement Garry Possibly Clare's best ever footballer? Noel Roche might be in with a shout there also.
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Feb 2, 2021 15:56:26 GMT
That team in full: 1. Paul Murphy 2. David Moran 3. David Clifford 4. Shane Ryan 5. Paul Geaney 6. Killian Spillane 7. Sean O'Shea 8. Gavin Crowley 9. James O'Donoghue 10. Tom O'Sullivan 11. Jason Foley 12. Peter Crowley 13. Jack Barry 14. Gavin White 15. Tadgh Morley Swap Paul Geaney and David Clifford and I think you are onto a decent team.
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Post by john4 on Feb 2, 2021 16:42:02 GMT
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Feb 2, 2021 19:15:30 GMT
Foley at centre forward is a great idea alright.... Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere? Bally, don't knock it until you try it is a legitimate arguement but you are blinded by your club loyalty. I have noticed this about your comments here before. There are a number of my clubmates "inside" currently, I personally feel that one is getting more match time than he deserves and another should be getting more. I am basing this on that I have seen of them playing for club and county. Can you honestly say that Foley at CHF would be a better link option than Seanie Shea/Paul Geaney/Michael Burns/Dara Moynihan? Of the backs I would consider that Gavin Crowley and Gavin White would be better link options From memory Paul Murphy was tried out in the half forward line a few years ago and has since been deployed back to defense. I would consider Murphy's passing & creativity to be far superior to Foley's. PS I do like your use of the word Ballydonohoors 😂😂
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Post by veteran on Feb 2, 2021 20:23:21 GMT
Usually news like this breaks when there is a positive result. One wonders why it ever saw the light of day while “talks” were in progress. Puzzling.
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Post by Aodhan on Feb 2, 2021 21:00:24 GMT
Usually news like this breaks when there is a positive result. One wonders why it ever saw the light of day while “talks” were in progress. Puzzling. I have the feeling that we dodged a bullet, I wonder who turned down who?
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Post by john4 on Feb 2, 2021 22:42:56 GMT
Usually news like this breaks when there is a positive result. One wonders why it ever saw the light of day while “talks” were in progress. Puzzling. I have the feeling that we dodged a bullet, I wonder who turned down who? Paul Galvin was a fantastic footballer, no one can deny that, but there is no link whatsoever between being a talented footballer to being a talented coach. Coaching is a unique skill that not everyone has the aptitude for. Particularly with intercounty footballers where the elements where players can make improvements are marginal as all the players have naturally been identified as having higher skill levels than others in the county. The part about this story I don't like is how it got out before white smoke. If there was any possibility of a no deal nobody should now be aware that there was any discussion about PG joining the group. Looks sloppy. Anyway I thought Tommy Griffin took over the coaching when it was decided that DB was one too many! Is Tommy finding it harder than he thought!
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Post by mossie on Feb 2, 2021 22:57:08 GMT
Possibly Clare's best ever footballer? Noel Roche might be in with a shout there also. Roche was a fantastic servant and footballer too. was he still around in 1992 when Clare won Munster? he was always at home in the railway cup and international rules , as good as any of his team mates
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Post by mossie on Feb 2, 2021 23:00:56 GMT
I have the feeling that we dodged a bullet, I wonder who turned down who? Paul Galvin was a fantastic footballer, no one can deny that, but there is no link whatsoever between being a talented footballer to being a talented coach. Coaching is a unique skill that not everyone has the aptitude for. Particularly with intercounty footballers where the elements where players can make improvements are marginal as all the players have naturally been identified as having higher skill levels than others in the county. The part about this story I don't like is how it got out before white smoke. If there was any possibility of a no deal nobody should now be aware that there was any discussion about PG joining the group. Looks sloppy. Anyway I thought Tommy Griffin took over the coaching when it was decided that DB was one too many! Is Tommy finding it harder than he thought! I think Paul may well be a fine coach but that has to be tested somewhere before he becomes a key man in a kerry senior set up I agree, it shouldnt have been in the public domain if the thing wasnt absolutely nailed down
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 2, 2021 23:02:58 GMT
I have the feeling that we dodged a bullet, I wonder who turned down who? Paul Galvin was a fantastic footballer, no one can deny that, but there is no link whatsoever between being a talented footballer to being a talented coach. Coaching is a unique skill that not everyone has the aptitude for. Particularly with intercounty footballers where the elements where players can make improvements are marginal as all the players have naturally been identified as having higher skill levels than others in the county. The part about this story I don't like is how it got out before white smoke. If there was any possibility of a no deal nobody should now be aware that there was any discussion about PG joining the group. Looks sloppy. Anyway I thought Tommy Griffin took over the coaching when it was decided that DB was one too many! Is Tommy finding it harder than he thought! Or is it going through the motions, appointing someone who doesn't yet have the experience to challenge anything, because the County Board asked for it to be "freshened up"?
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Post by mossie on Feb 2, 2021 23:08:20 GMT
if we are in a going through the motions type scenario, not a good place to be
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Post by john4 on Feb 2, 2021 23:11:32 GMT
To put this in a broader context, I couldn't see this type of thing happening with Dublin football or Limerick hurling. Unprofessional
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 2, 2021 23:22:18 GMT
I listened to Galvin with Tony Leen on the Examiner podcast and let me say nothing at all.
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Post by pillar on Feb 3, 2021 0:51:26 GMT
Usually news like this breaks when there is a positive result. One wonders why it ever saw the light of day while “talks” were in progress. Puzzling. I have the feeling that we dodged a bullet, I wonder who turned down who? Shudder to say this in Ireland but was it just tabloid talk?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 3, 2021 4:17:45 GMT
Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere? I think for no.6 in addition to the obvious defensive ability we need someone with a bit more vision and ability to work the ball up the field and this i do not think is Jason’s greatest strength. I’m all for different ideas though. Based on what we have seen I wouldn't disagree with you but he is not 100% comfortable at CB and he has pace, his development as he matures would also have a bearing.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 3, 2021 4:28:11 GMT
Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere? Bally, don't knock it until you try it is a legitimate arguement but you are blinded by your club loyalty. I have noticed this about your comments here before. There are a number of my clubmates "inside" currently, I personally feel that one is getting more match time than he deserves and another should be getting more. I am basing this on that I have seen of them playing for club and county. Can you honestly say that Foley at CHF would be a better link option than Seanie Shea/Paul Geaney/Michael Burns/Dara Moynihan? Of the backs I would consider that Gavin Crowley and Gavin White would be better link options From memory Paul Murphy was tried out in the half forward line a few years ago and has since been deployed back to defense. I would consider Murphy's passing & creativity to be far superior to Foley's. PS I do like your use of the word Ballydonohoors 😂😂 As he is the sole Ballydonoghoor player I suppose I have nobody else to focus on and you appear to be closer to the situation - my contention was that there is an element of 'round plug and square hole' about him at CB. PK dispensed with him until he realised he couldn't do without him in League Final vs Mayo and which probably stems from the fact that a a CB can only break even if he does everything right. McShane will wreck and ruin for a long time to come so it's just damage limitation. Anyway those three responses to my comment on Jason are decent stuff, the essence of the true value of the forum. BTW you say you know a few lads playing club and county, interesting, e.g. contrast in style of paly between the levels, I spent a few club games up here in Dgal focusing on that - the county will always read then game and club guys appear to work around them, wan Michael Murphy has an entire team working around him and sure that is often even the case with the county, funny enough but he doesn't stand out much more in club games though they do use him effectively alright, I have seen some really classy tactics, one that appeared to be a dud, that is until the net rattled! Spud is more strong and naturally talented than crafty IMO. I seen him pump 5 towards the goals of a day with only 1 getting through, another would have broken the crossbar if it was wood, 5 would all have converted on another day, I was watching a soccer match later that evening and a shot that hit the woodwork had me momentarily think it was a video of the hot-potato I refer to, and hot it was. This was all at the end of the game and his Glenswilly down by 5 pts, just like the end of the '14 AI Final.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 3, 2021 9:57:32 GMT
Don't knock it if it hasn't been tried, so what is your proposition? Star was unearthed as a FF more by chance than design though he had the obvious credentials. I think Jason is constrained at CB - what about the HB line where his mobility would be better utilised - he did refuse an athletics scholarship and he is less than comfortable at CB? Have you a compelling reason why he shouldn't be tried elsewhere? There’s trying things and there’s wanting a corner back whose abilities are defending and marking at centre forward. Like a lot of corner backs he looks to hand pass it off straight away when he gets it as he knows he’ll be dispossessed if he holds onto to it. Probably one of the most uncomfortable players on the panel on the ball but sure let’s try him as our playmaker. Most of the time players are in a position for a reason; it’s their best position. I don’t see anyone on the panel who would benefit from a radical position change at the moment. Foley at centre back isn’t as ludicrous but at the same time he’s just not a centre back and would be a downgrade on the likes of Gavin Crowley. If Foley is playing it will be at corner back. I see a good battle this coming year between himself, Peter Crowley and Sherwood for one corner back position. For me it go with a halfbackline of Sherwood Gavin Crowley and Murphy, Sherwood is very comfortable on the ball and he made s9me great surging runs in 2019 Crowley is dogged and is ALWAYS available for kickouts and Paul is Paul.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 3, 2021 11:14:34 GMT
There’s trying things and there’s wanting a corner back whose abilities are defending and marking at centre forward. Like a lot of corner backs he looks to hand pass it off straight away when he gets it as he knows he’ll be dispossessed if he holds onto to it. Probably one of the most uncomfortable players on the panel on the ball but sure let’s try him as our playmaker. Most of the time players are in a position for a reason; it’s their best position. I don’t see anyone on the panel who would benefit from a radical position change at the moment. Foley at centre back isn’t as ludicrous but at the same time he’s just not a centre back and would be a downgrade on the likes of Gavin Crowley. If Foley is playing it will be at corner back. I see a good battle this coming year between himself, Peter Crowley and Sherwood for one corner back position. For me it go with a halfbackline of Sherwood Gavin Crowley and Murphy, Sherwood is very comfortable on the ball and he made s9me great surging runs in 2019 Crowley is dogged and is ALWAYS available for kickouts and Paul is Paul. That’d be a very good half back line. The only factor that could alter that is Gavin White. He was excellent in the 2 league games before a poor performance against Cork. His power and pace are great assets for the the team. I’ve noticed that he always seems to struggle in wet conditions, he doesn’t have the same attacking influence and tends to give away a good few frees. The hard ground of Summer football this year will suit him. It could be a rotation between him and Sherwood depending what type of wing forwards the opposition have. Sherwood like Killian Spillane is someone who has earned a good shot at a starting position this year. Based on his performances for East Kerry I think he could improve our full back line as well.
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Post by horsebox77 on Feb 3, 2021 12:58:41 GMT
Jack Sherwood has been the defensive rock for the East Kerry side in their breakthrough in 2019 and their title retention in 2020.
In 2019 he was outstanding regardless of the full forward, he blotted out Tommy Walsh against Kerins O'Rahilly's and Paul Geaney against Dingle. Similar last year he was very very comfortable against various full forwards, best example was the St. Brendans game. The different types of opposition, Ivan Parker was their match winner on their C'ship run, light nippy fast. Sherwood beat him hands down, when Brendans changed tactics they put Diarmuid O'Connor inside.. big strong athletic etc, again Sherwood came out on top. Jack for me is a carbon copy of Tommy Griffin, played midfield, defence or off the bench but never got that extended season injury free run. Jack is very comfortable on the ball and this is my main poin, he has the capabilities to break the first tackle. This always creates the initial space that counter attacks are built on. It is one aspect of our defensive unit we are lacking.
He was 2020 Co. Championship player of the year. A very rare accolade for a defender.
We are in trouble in a few key areas of the field. I think the installation of Sherwood at 3, could afford us in releasing Tadgh to 6 - this move in my oponion completely shores up our defence. It's definitely worth an extended look.
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Post by john4 on Feb 3, 2021 13:06:10 GMT
Jack Sherwood has been the defensive rock for the East Kerry side in their breakthrough in 2019 and their title retention in 2020. In 2019 he was outstanding regardless of the full forward, he blotted out Tommy Walsh against Kerins O'Rahilly's and Paul Geaney against Dingle. Similar last year he was very very comfortable against various full forwards, best example was the St. Brendans game. The different types of opposition, Ivan Parker was their match winner on their C'ship run, light nippy fast. Sherwood beat him hands down, when Brendans changed tactics they put Diarmuid O'Connor inside.. big strong athletic etc, again Sherwood came out on top. Jack for me is a carbon copy of Tommy Griffin, played midfield, defence or off the bench but never got that extended season injury free run. Jack is very comfortable on the ball and this is my main poin, he has the capabilities to break the first tackle. This always creates the initial space that counter attacks are built on. It is one aspect of our defensive unit we are lacking. He was 2020 Co. Championship player of the year. A very rare accolade for a defender. We are in trouble in a few key areas of the field. I think the installation of Sherwood at 3, could afford us in releasing Tadgh to 6 - this move in my oponion completely shores up our defence. It's definitely worth an extended look. Absolutely agree 100% Sherwood for full back. What does he have to do to earn a start in the backs after continually putting in strong performances.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 3, 2021 13:33:48 GMT
Good points horse, id still rather him at centre back personally for the exact reason you gave his comfort on the ball and ability to break challenges. I dont think we can have Murphy and white in the same line for the same reason we can't have Tom sull there they arent strong enough in the air and don't offer a kickout option. I'd go with
P.crowley/foley Morley Tom sull G.crowley Sherwood Murphy
Unless someone like graham Sullivan puts his hand up. Based on whites last few championship performances I dont think he deserves a start over Crowley or Sherwood
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Post by buck02 on Feb 3, 2021 16:18:35 GMT
I have the feeling that we dodged a bullet, I wonder who turned down who? Shudder to say this in Ireland but was it just tabloid talk? I wouldn't put Tony Leen down as tabloid to be fair. What I do know is that himself and Eamonn Fitz would be pally. Fitz and Galvin are obviously close. Also Leen wouldn't have had the same insight into the Kerry set up since Keane took over as manager. Keane is always fairly spiky with journalists. So putting 2 and 2 together its fairly easy to say where this story came from.
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Post by veteran on Feb 3, 2021 19:59:10 GMT
Buck you are probably right in your reasoning about the Paul Galvin fiasco. As I said before it is very disappointing that this story came to light .
We desperately need positivity after that shambles in Cork. Is it too much to expect sealed lips , in the interest of Kerry football , from all parties until such time that a particular deal is done. This episode leaves me with an empty feeling.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 5, 2021 4:12:10 GMT
He is what they need, guts and creativity but DB had much of that too - does anyone know DB? He never struck me as a fella that fell out with too many, most people never heard of him, low profile - PG would be a volatile by comparison.
Go on PK, prove us all wrong.
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Post by pillar on Feb 5, 2021 15:15:28 GMT
Shudder to say this in Ireland but was it just tabloid talk? I wouldn't put Tony Leen down as tabloid to be fair. What I do know is that himself and Eamonn Fitz would be pally. Fitz and Galvin are obviously close. Also Leen wouldn't have had the same insight into the Kerry set up since Keane took over as manager. Keane is always fairly spiky with journalists. So putting 2 and 2 together its fairly easy to say where this story came from. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush.Poor journalism to report on something that's not 100%.The need for the exclusive scoop backfired. Was it even close to happening?
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 5, 2021 20:16:15 GMT
I wouldn't put Tony Leen down as tabloid to be fair. What I do know is that himself and Eamonn Fitz would be pally. Fitz and Galvin are obviously close. Also Leen wouldn't have had the same insight into the Kerry set up since Keane took over as manager. Keane is always fairly spiky with journalists. So putting 2 and 2 together its fairly easy to say where this story came from. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the Bush.Poor journalism to report on something that's not 100%.The need for the exclusive scoop backfired. Was it even close to happening? I reckon it was all smoke & mirrors with Galvin playing the media; if travel to Wexford from Mayo was an issue, then the commute to Kerry had to be a problem also. Galvin obviously wants to try his hand again at inter county level but probably closer to his current abode - what better way to raise your profile than in discussions with Kerry? Anyway, I hear that Pat Falvey ( he of mountain climbing fame) has been added to the back room team along with a couple of nutritionists but we are still seeking a “ skills coach” - maybe Kieran Cronin is that man!
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