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Post by playitfair on Nov 27, 2020 21:12:34 GMT
Did the cork hurling all Ireland’s follow a strike in 2002. Not sure about memory on this one mainly because there have been so many strikes. If the dressing room is lost, the game is over.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2020 21:22:51 GMT
Did the cork hurling all Ireland’s follow a strike in 2002. Not sure about memory on this one mainly because there have been so many strikes. If the dressing room is lost, the game is over. That strike was more about how poorly players felt they were treated by the county board than an issue with the manager.
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Post by veteran on Nov 27, 2020 21:29:46 GMT
Continuing the theme of player power etc:
The two lads who preceded James Horan , were they ousted by the players or county board?
Pete McGrath in Down , was he ousted by players or county board. More recently there was a Burns man who was also sacked - by players or county board?
Stephen Wallace was he sent packing by Offaly county board or players?
Paul Galvin in Wexford- I suppose one could say he was dismissed by a covert players’ revolt-players walking away , not putting in the effort etc.
Referring to Waterford - I think there were unhappy endings for Justin and Gerald McCarthy and ? Davy Fitzgerald. Again not sure if it was the players or county board who fired the shots.
Who ousted Ritchie Bennis?
Was it the players who eventually came after Micko in Laois?
Did John Kennedy have a players’ revolt in Clare or was it Paidi?
Way back , Jacko had a brief flirtation with Mayo. I think the parting there was consensual
Of course the Cork debacle was the debacle to end all debacles.
Perhaps there are other blood baths that escape my memory.
Somebody with a superior memory to mine might clarify some of the aforementioned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 21:39:58 GMT
I think accusations of player power are wide of the mark but I would expect there to be anger, upset at what happened and a desire to ensure it does not happen again
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Post by veteran on Nov 27, 2020 21:44:58 GMT
Did the cork hurling all Ireland’s follow a strike in 2002. Not sure about memory on this one mainly because there have been so many strikes. If the dressing room is lost, the game is over. That strike was more about how poorly players felt they were treated by the county board than an issue with the manager. Oh I think the manager situation was central as well. I am not sure if Gerald McCarthy was in-situ at the start of the strike and was not wanted by the players or whether he was imposed during the strike. If I remember correctly, Cork continued to play some NFL games during the strike with a largely scratch outfit under ? Gerald McCarhy.. I think Gerald had to eventually throw in the towel as a result of threatening phone calls, abuse on the street. He gave interviews along those lines at the time. Regardless of the rights and wrongs it was a shame that a truly great Cork hurler was treated in that fashion. I would be totally devastated if a Kerry great was pilloried like that. But that is what happens in civil war. Maybe one of our Cork contributors would have a clearer recall of that unpleasant period in Cork Gaa.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2020 21:52:40 GMT
I would love to know whether back channel communications took place with Tyrone panel before the Mickey Harte reign was brought to an end.
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Post by playitfair on Nov 27, 2020 21:57:22 GMT
I think Gerard McCarthy was there in 2008. The 2002 one was based around conditions. I think diarmuid O’sullivan played with the footballers that year. A nice parallel with Tipp beating cork in their Munster final since 2002.
I think the manager was already gone before the strike. Donal O’Grady took over subsequently.
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Post by playitfair on Nov 27, 2020 22:01:20 GMT
I would love to know whether back channel communications took place with Tyrone panel before the Mickey Harte reign was brought to an end. I’d say you know the answer to that one.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2020 22:07:19 GMT
I would love to know whether back channel communications took place with Tyrone panel before the Mickey Harte reign was brought to an end. I’d say you know the answer to that one. I dont know. But i suspect there may have been such communications as the players arent up in arms about it
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Post by veteran on Nov 27, 2020 22:21:41 GMT
I think Gerard McCarthy was there in 2008. The 2002 one was based around conditions. I think diarmuid O’sullivan played with the footballers that year. A nice parallel with Tipp beating cork in their Munster final since 2002. I think the manager was already gone before the strike. Donal O’Grady took over subsequently. Just shows how patchy my memory has become. I had forgotten that there were two strikes. Sean Og Hailpin gave an interview at the start of the year expressing that he had regrets over some aspects of the strikes. He admitted that he said things at the time that he now feels were better left unsaid. He particularly regretted the treatment of Gerald McCarthy. Regrets abound after a civil war. Let us hope that we never experience such a spite filled falling out among friends .
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2020 22:27:47 GMT
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Cork hurlers strike a fine blow for justice
Eugene McGee December 02 2002 12:11 AM THE Cork hurlers who took the drastic action last Friday of withdrawing their services from the Cork County Board have done the GAA a great service.
That may not seem the case to many genuine GAA people but in five years' time it will be seen as a landmark decision in the relationship between inter-county players and County Boards. The Cork decision will force the GAA nationally to finally come to terms with the role of players in the Association.
There has always been a pathological fear among GAA administrators that some day the players in some county would refuse to turn out for their county. But so strong is the cult of 'the county player' in GAA folklore that these officials always consoled themselves with the belief that no matter how disgruntled players felt about their county board they would never withdraw their services or, in plain man's language, go on strike.
Officials were always confident that the fear of strong negative public reaction to such a move would be their greatest asset in any confrontation with players.
In past times that was actually true. No player was prepared to take the abuse that would have been hurled at him from the supporters of the county team if he refused to wear the county jersey.
But we live in a different social climate in Ireland nowadays, one in which laws of equality and discrimination coupled with the individual's constitutional rights have assumed huge importance in the everyday lives of most people. Young people nowadays know their rights and they know these rights entitle them to fair treatment in all aspects of their lives.
So when the Cork hurlers took their drastic decision after months of sham discussions with their county board they knew they were perfectly within their rights and they also knew that the vast majority of Irish people accepted that fact. GAA players are strictly amateur, at the GAA's insistence, therefore they are perfectly entitled to play or not to play for their team. For far too long GAA officials lived by the precept that the honour and glory of wearing the county jersey was so awesome for the players that it would override all problems associated with being a county player.
Those days are gone. The former notion that young men are prepared to put the rest of their lives on hold for 10 years or so in order to play for the county team is simply no longer true. That was fine when young men had little else in their lives to look forward to, poor jobs, no second or third level education and not much to do in their spare time except play football and hurling.
There is still remarkable loyalty and dedication from GAA players to their team, often at inter-county level matching the commitments of highly paid professional sportsmen. The biggest change that has taken place in the GAA over the past 25 years has been the influx of money from commercial sponsorship which has transformed many aspects of the GAA. There are now hundreds of paid coaches and administrators, there are hundreds of GAA clubs whose assets are measured in millions of euros and the new Croke Park is the most obvious example of the GAA's new-found affluence.
That is the background in which all matters relating to inter-county players must be considered. These smart, intelligent and ambitious young men, and their female partners, can see how prosperous the GAA now is by comparison with a generation ago.
It is only natural therefore that they should be demanding more money be spent on improving facilities for players who have to devout so much of their lives to preparing for inter-county duty. Because the players know full well that this recent prosperity of the GAA has come about almost entirely from the sacrifices and commitment of themselves.
Sponsors only get involved with successful people so therefore the sponsorship follows the county players and the GAA is the main beneficiary. The reason the Cork players' decision is so critical at this moment is that it debunks the notion that the GPA and inter-county players in general want Gaelic inter-county games to become professional. What the Cork players are asking from their county board has nothing to do with professionalism but everything to do with the self-respect of the players.
Cork GAA is the richest unit in the GAA by a mile yet they refused to fly the hurlers to Derry for a league game and insisted they take a day off work and travel 350 miles each way by bus.
There was no compensation for the lost workday and no team doctor was available for that trip. Many people will find this hard to believe but Cork is not the only county where this sort of abuse of players is still going on.
It is only a couple of years ago that the GAA at the highest level had to make a ruling regarding travelling expenses paid to players by county boards. Some counties were paying as little as 13 pence a mile up to then. Civil Service mileage rates at the time were in excess of 60p a mile for the first 4,000 miles.
It never seemed to dawn on many GAA officials that when Irish rugby went professional a few years ago there was an onus on GAA county boards to respond. Many GAA players have friends who play club rugby and they watched as these men began to benefit financially from playing.
The GAA should have seen this as a warning sign to upgrade facilities for their own players since the professional route was not an option. The failure of GAA bodies to move with the times and reasonable demands of county players has led to undercover systems of rewards in many counties.
Managers or sometimes the players themselves have resorted to raising finance privately to improve then players' lot. The most glaring example of this was the Kilkenny hurlers having to run around the local dog-track a week after they won the All-Ireland in a fund-raising venture.
This was disgraceful and DJ Carey was quite right to highlight it. The same carry-on happened 20 years ago with the Offaly footballers. But there are more subtle financing arrangements in other counties such as the secret 'tapping' of business people and companies to come up with cash in return for accessibility to the players, particularly the more famous ones, for promotional or advertising activity. The Sam Maguire and McCarthy Cups turn up in unlikely places every winter as part of such operations.
This sort of behaviour is demeaning for players and is the main source of unrest because it indicates a lack of respect for players and a complete misunderstanding of the role of players in the GAA. Too many GAA officials still regard players as some sort of hired help, to be flogged to death in terms of working for the GAA but getting the absolute minimum in return. That day is over now and the action of the Cork hurlers has announced that fact to the GAA.
For that reason we can expect action from Croke Park to resolve the Cork crisis. The GAA simply has to get this particular problem sorted quickly , or at least fudged for now. I reckon the phone lines between the people who like to think they control the GAA all over Ireland were busy this weekend as plans were being hatched to deal with the situation that these same officials believed would never come a players' strike.
Truly, the GAA will never be the same again thanks to the Cork hurlers.
eugenemcg@hotmail.com
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 27, 2020 23:21:49 GMT
I’d say you know the answer to that one. I dont know. But i suspect there may have been such communications as the players arent up in arms about it I'd imagine the Tyrone County Board knew well in advance they would be leaving Mickey go as they had his replacements in place almost immediately. A follow up plan must have been put in place well before the announcement was made public
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Post by dc84 on Nov 28, 2020 0:13:36 GMT
The 2nd cork strike put put cork hurling back years, absolute disaster for them from which they have not recovered yet they are 15 years without an all ireland in hurling . Jesus if we ever go that long in the football...
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 28, 2020 0:45:35 GMT
The 2nd cork strike put put cork hurling back years, absolute disaster for them from which they have not recovered yet they are 15 years without an all ireland in hurling . Jesus if we ever go that long in the football... yeah...in the meantime the cup has gone to KK, Tipp, Clare,Galway and Limerick. Maybe Waterfords turn this year. How wonderful that would be. Cody has dropped his captain for tomorrow which shows he means business.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 28, 2020 7:17:24 GMT
Waterford mayo double !
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 28, 2020 7:32:05 GMT
There’s more chance of Peter Keane picking 6 attacking players in a forward line than that double coming off
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Post by playitfair on Nov 28, 2020 12:36:49 GMT
There’s more chance of Peter Keane picking 6 attacking players in a forward line than that double coming off I would think more of a chance of the double myself
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 2, 2020 21:36:15 GMT
Details of Cork GAA's Rebels' Bounty initiative announced
TUE, 01 DEC, 2020 - 16:14 CIAN LOCKE
Tickets are going on sale this Friday for Rebels’ Bounty, Cork GAA's new fundraising initiative to support Cork players, clubs, and county.
The initiative offers a total prize fund of €500,000, with one lucky club member set to win €100,000.
Rebels’ Bounty aims to give clubs an opportunity to raise funds at a time when fundraising has been impacted by Covid-19 restrictions.
Tickets for the draw cost €100 each and will be sold directly by clubs or on the Cork GAA website from 3pm on Friday.
In every draw, there are 30 cash prizes, ranging from €100 to €20,000. In April and December, the top prize will increase to €25,000. In December, the bumper prize of €100,000 will be given away. The first draw will take place on Wednesday, February 24th, where prizes will be drawn for January and February.
All the funds raised by the Rebels’ Bounty will be directly and indirectly invested in Cork GAA clubs. The draw is designed to ensure that most of the funds are kept locally to help improve facilities and equipment, while the remainder will be used by Cork GAA to invest in programmes such as Rebel Óg and supports for inter-county players.
Cork GAA chairperson Tracey Kennedy said: “The Rebels’ Bounty is a unique opportunity for clubs to raise funds locally, and keep those funds locally. This has been a difficult year for all our clubs, and we hope that members across Cork will stake their claim in the Rebels’ Bounty to support players from under 5s to inter-county.
“We hope that the new prize structure will provide an even better incentive for members to buy and for clubs to sell tickets. This prize fund will be distributed across the entire county.
“We would like to wish everyone the best of luck, and thank them for their efforts in supporting the future of our clubs and our county.”
CEO/Secretary Kevin O’Donovan added: “Following from the launch of One Cork we are now delighted to officially announce details of Rebels’ Bounty, marking the beginning of a new fundraising era for Cork clubs.
“We have increased the prize fund to ensure maximum return for our members, with 30 prizes monthly. We listened to our members and all 30 prizes are now in cash.
“2020 has been a unique and difficult year for our clubs and I’m delighted to launch this appeal allowing clubs to raise vital funds at a time when it is extremely hard to do so.”
Entries for the draw will close on February 22nd, 2021.
- gaacork.ie/rebelsbounty
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Post by john4 on Dec 3, 2020 23:28:13 GMT
Eddie Brennan has this evening been appointed as the team coach of Cuala Gaa Hurling team. Not the manager, the coach. Huge club appointment! Multinational sponsorship??
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Post by john4 on Dec 9, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
I notice that Paul Greaney is advertising his business on the Kerry Gaa website. There is something not quite right imo about a current senior panel member involved in a business/advertising deal with their own county board. Does the manager feel pressured to play the guy (business partner). Do the other players feel that this deal might influence team/panel selection. It would be better imo if there was a clear distance between the players and CB.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 0:04:57 GMT
You are overthinking it. Hopefully the ad generates loads of business for him.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Dec 10, 2020 5:05:32 GMT
You are overthinking it. Hopefully the ad generates loads of business for him. Unless he is beating out A Super Valu from somewhere like Puck...
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 10, 2020 11:01:58 GMT
I notice that Paul Greaney is advertising his business on the Kerry Gaa website. There is something not quite right imo about a current senior panel member involved in a business/advertising deal with their own county board. Does the manager feel pressured to play the guy (business partner). Do the other players feel that this deal might influence team/panel selection. It would be better imo if there was a clear distance between the players and CB. If GAA supporters is his sweet spot in the market then good luck to him and to ban him from advertising would be discrimination anyway. I mean it's not like he's a betting shop using forum threads to advertise odds and then insulting members with snide PMs - these should be barred and banned from all things GAA. 'As it happens' was the guise they operated under, that is what I think should have happened!
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 10, 2020 21:04:17 GMT
I notice that Paul Greaney is advertising his business on the Kerry Gaa website. There is something not quite right imo about a current senior panel member involved in a business/advertising deal with their own county board. Does the manager feel pressured to play the guy (business partner). Do the other players feel that this deal might influence team/panel selection. It would be better imo if there was a clear distance between the players and CB. The county board issued a statement today thanking Paul Geaney for sponsoring the website.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 22:28:51 GMT
That’s how advertising works! Not much good if they don’t broadcast it.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 0:07:57 GMT
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GAA propose penalties for cynical fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities The trial rule, based on evidence in this year’s competitions, will be one of eight recommendations presented to Central Council tomorrow
GAA propose penalties for cynical fouls that deny goal-scoring opportunities The foul, which is deemed cynical if a player is pulled down, tripped with hands, arm, leg, foot or hurley or there is careless use of the hurley, can take place in or outside the rectangle and will see the infringing player sin-binned for 10 minutes.
THU, 17 DEC, 2020 - 10:54 JOHN FOGARTY
The standing playing rules committee have proposed a penalty be awarded for a cynical foul that denies a goal-scoring opportunity in both of next year’s All-Ireland senior championships.
The trial rule, based on evidence in this year’s competitions, will be one of eight recommendations presented to Central Council tomorrow. The foul, which is deemed cynical if a player is pulled down, tripped with hands, arm, leg, foot or hurley or there is careless use of the hurley, can take place in or outside the rectangle and will see the infringing player sin-binned for 10 minutes. The black card will remain in football but a yellow card sin bin will only apply in hurling when a goal-scoring chance has been prevented by one of the listed cynical fouls.
The playing rules body are also calling again for the maor foirne role to be discontinued - a similar motion narrowly failed to be backed at Annual Congress earlier this year. The only exception is for a team medical officer or one authorised official to enter the field of play to care for an injured player following permission to do so from the referee.
The committee also wants to punish interference by opposing teams to players taking puck/kick-outs, sidelines, 45s, 65s and frees by waving their hands and/or hurley or jumping up and down in an attempt to distract the player taking the kick/puck. Although holding hands or a hurley upright is permitted, anything else would constitute a free being brought forward by 13 metres.
A concussion substitute rule is also put forward in the same way as the current temporary blood sub measure. Based on St Rynagh’s previous motion and following consultation with the GAA’s medical, scientific and welfare committee, the new rule would read: “A player who sustains a suspected head injury, if instructed by the referee, shall temporarily leave the Field of Play for further assessment before the player’s fitness to return is determined."
The playing rules committee also seek to clear up the advantage rule so that advantage will only be allowed for aggressive fouls and not technical ones as is currently the case. They also propose team officials be treated in the same way as players for misconduct.
Based on advice from the national referees development committee, “an act by deed, word or gesture of a racist, sectarian or anti-inclusion/diversity nature” or using threatening language against a match official should be considered a discrediting the Association offence.
Central Council may choose not to officially endorse the proposals until next month prior to Annual Congress in February.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 0:08:15 GMT
Great move in my view to penalise a goal stopping foul with a penalty
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Post by southward on Dec 19, 2020 10:21:00 GMT
Great move in my view to penalise a goal stopping foul with a penalty In theory, yes, I agree. However, you just know that it won't be applied properly or with any degree of consistency and will end up causing as much injustice as it might remedy. Another version of the black card lottery.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2020 10:56:59 GMT
Great move in my view to penalise a goal stopping foul with a penalty In theory, yes, I agree. However, you just know that it won't be applied properly or with any degree of consistency and will end up causing as much injustice as it might remedy. Another version of the black card lottery. it will reduce "professional fouls". It may not be applied consistently but thats a different question. Hopefully the incidences will reduce
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 19, 2020 22:18:57 GMT
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