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Post by Mickmack on Nov 23, 2020 20:55:30 GMT
Mickey Harte is the new Louth manager.
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Post by clubman on Nov 23, 2020 21:53:02 GMT
I didnt believe it when i heard it first! It seems a strange move, im sure he is desperate to remain involved but not sure where he can go with Louth. He probably didnt want to take on another team in Ulster and come up against Tyrone.
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Post by john4 on Nov 23, 2020 22:22:57 GMT
John Sugrue has stepped down as Kerry U20 manager
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 22:26:30 GMT
Mickey Harte obviously thinks he can win a provincial championship like paidi and micko😀😀
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Post by gaelicden on Nov 23, 2020 22:39:50 GMT
John Sugrue has stepped down as Kerry U20 manager That's awful news to hear tonight, I mightn't be the most supportive of our U20 team but I felt he was the man to build a team and bridge that gap from '08. Who do we have in the managerial reserves to take over now?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 23, 2020 22:55:14 GMT
John Sugrue has stepped down as Kerry U20 manager I wonder where he is going.
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Post by john4 on Nov 23, 2020 22:59:10 GMT
John Sugrue has stepped down as Kerry U20 manager That's awful news to hear tonight, I mightn't be the most supportive of our U20 team but I felt he was the man to build a team and bridge that gap from '08. Who do we have in the managerial reserves to take over now? Must have broken Sugrue' s heart that a few fellas couldn't conduct themselves properly a few weeks before an All Ireland semi final. Jerry O' Sullivan? He was with the Limerick U20 football team who lost to Kerry by 7 points this year in the Munster championship. Considering that 20 of those U20's are underage against next year that's a commendable result. He's work with East Kerry could have been done from home!!
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Post by john4 on Nov 23, 2020 23:00:31 GMT
John Sugrue has stepped down as Kerry U20 manager I wonder where he is going. Cited travelling as he's reason for leaving
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Post by dc84 on Nov 24, 2020 12:18:38 GMT
I didnt believe it when i heard it first! It seems a strange move, im sure he is desperate to remain involved but not sure where he can go with Louth. He probably didnt want to take on another team in Ulster and come up against Tyrone. Its a handy distance and no great expectations i have heard a lot of good work underage has been done. A leinster final (draw allowing )and promotion wouldn't be unrealistic
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 25, 2020 22:06:30 GMT
WED, 25 NOV, 2020 - 21:40 EOGHAN CORMICAN Tyrone have appointed Feargal Logan and Brian Dooher as joint-managers of the county's senior football team.
Speculation had been rife that Logan would succeed Mickey Harte as Tyrone manager, but the county board confirmed a two-man managerial ticket this evening, with Logan being joined by three-time All-Ireland medal winner Brian Dooher.
The pair have been ratified for a three-year period.
Joint-managers at inter-county level has been a rare phenomenon in recent years. Clare went with this approach when appointing Donal Moloney and Gerry O'Connor to succeed Davy Fitzgerald ahead of the 2017 season.
Logan worked with several members of the current Tyrone panel when steering the county to All-Ireland U21 glory in 2015. Dooher was a selector in Logan's backroom team during that All-Ireland winning campaign.
"Tyrone GAA wish to formally announce the appointment of Fergal Logan and Brian Dooher as the new Joint Managers of Tyrone Senior Football team. Both have been appointed and ratified for a 3 year period," said a county board statement this evening.
Names being mentioned as potential members of Logan and Dooher's backroom team include Tyrone All-Ireland medal winners Collie Holmes and Joe McMahon. The latter was a member of the Fermanagh backroom team in 2020.
Logan was one of two names put forward by clubs for the post following the close of nominations on Monday. Former Tyrone minor manager Mickey Donnelly, the other name in the ring, is reported to have pulled out of the running earlier today.
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Post by Deise Exile on Nov 26, 2020 22:14:46 GMT
PeterKeane on way out? Pat O Shea? Tomas or Mark? Star?
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 26, 2020 23:57:07 GMT
None of the above
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Post by jackiel on Nov 27, 2020 10:21:27 GMT
PeterKeane on way out? Pat O Shea? Tomas or Mark? Star? Has Tomás not taken a club gig in Cork.
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Post by glengael on Nov 27, 2020 12:53:25 GMT
Glanmire.
I see Cork GAA have rebranded themselves as One Cork.
I suppose it's 'taking back control' Rebel style...
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Post by tonydorigo on Nov 27, 2020 13:15:09 GMT
PeterKeane on way out? Pat O Shea? Tomas or Mark? Star? Can't believe everything that floats around on whatsapp. He was always going to be held to account for the manner in which the team was set up if we weren't successful. Questions need to be asked of that. Even if this is true we don't have a ready made candidate that could make the step up.
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Post by john4 on Nov 27, 2020 13:43:58 GMT
PeterKeane on way out? Pat O Shea? Tomas or Mark? Star? Can't believe everything that floats around on whatsapp. He was always going to be held to account for the manner in which the team was set up if we weren't successful. Questions need to be asked of that. Even if this is true we don't have a ready made candidate that could make the step up. I'm not sure that there nobody else possibly capable of managing the Kerry team, in fact I'm certain that there are people who would do a better job than PK. What is a good manager? I saw a post on the hurling page about Brian Cody and guys like him are inspiring, even to a non sporting person. To be a good football manager doesn't have to be 100% football intelligence, its about people skills.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 27, 2020 13:46:10 GMT
Can't believe everything that floats around on whatsapp. He was always going to be held to account for the manner in which the team was set up if we weren't successful. Questions need to be asked of that. Even if this is true we don't have a ready made candidate that could make the step up. I'm not sure that there nobody else possibly capable of managing the Kerry team, in fact I'm certain that there are people who would do a better job than PK. What is a good manager? I saw a post on the hurling page about Brian Cody and guys like him are inspiring, even to a non sporting person. To be a good football manager doesn't have to be 100% football intelligence, its about people skills. Who?
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 27, 2020 13:55:18 GMT
Can't believe everything that floats around on whatsapp. He was always going to be held to account for the manner in which the team was set up if we weren't successful. Questions need to be asked of that. Even if this is true we don't have a ready made candidate that could make the step up. I'm not sure that there nobody else possibly capable of managing the Kerry team, in fact I'm certain that there are people who would do a better job than PK. What is a good manager? I saw a post on the hurling page about Brian Cody and guys like him are inspiring, even to a non sporting person. To be a good football manager doesn't have to be 100% football intelligence, its about people skills. Wow - look back at the criticism of PK - it was all about his football intelligence, the team selection, team setup and ability to make changes on the fly. The only hint of people skills is that Donie Buckley was unhappy (for the second time) with his influence on matters. Micko Dywer famousuly fell out with several good players and it was his football intelligence that was central to his success. We don't need a HR manager in charge of the team - that small but important element is easily delegated. We need someone who reads and understands a game and who can vary tactics during a game - its all about the football intelligence.
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Post by john4 on Nov 27, 2020 13:58:16 GMT
I'm not sure that there nobody else possibly capable of managing the Kerry team, in fact I'm certain that there are people who would do a better job than PK. What is a good manager? I saw a post on the hurling page about Brian Cody and guys like him are inspiring, even to a non sporting person. To be a good football manager doesn't have to be 100% football intelligence, its about people skills. Who? Liam Kearns
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Post by john4 on Nov 27, 2020 14:13:51 GMT
I'm not sure that there nobody else possibly capable of managing the Kerry team, in fact I'm certain that there are people who would do a better job than PK. What is a good manager? I saw a post on the hurling page about Brian Cody and guys like him are inspiring, even to a non sporting person. To be a good football manager doesn't have to be 100% football intelligence, its about people skills. Wow - look back at the criticism of PK - it was all about his football intelligence, the team selection, team setup and ability to make changes on the fly. The only hint of people skills is that Donie Buckley was unhappy (for the second time) with his influence on matters. Micko Dywer famousuly fell out with several good players and it was his football intelligence that was central to his success. We don't need a HR manager in charge of the team - that small but important element is easily delegated. We need someone who reads and understands a game and who can vary tactics during a game - its all about the football intelligence. I never did think I'd see PK and Mick O'Dwyer in the same post, your argument is that PK has neither football intelligence or people skills. Another important quality of an effective manager is the ability to delegate as you've pointed out, so getting rid of DB in my opinion was the act of a person incapable of delegating.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 27, 2020 14:22:05 GMT
I actually wanted Liam Kearns last time. I would give PK another year at this time.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 27, 2020 14:54:38 GMT
Wow - look back at the criticism of PK - it was all about his football intelligence, the team selection, team setup and ability to make changes on the fly. The only hint of people skills is that Donie Buckley was unhappy (for the second time) with his influence on matters. Micko Dywer famousuly fell out with several good players and it was his football intelligence that was central to his success. We don't need a HR manager in charge of the team - that small but important element is easily delegated. We need someone who reads and understands a game and who can vary tactics during a game - its all about the football intelligence. I never did think I'd see PK and Mick O'Dwyer in the same post, your argument is that PK has neither football intelligence or people skills. Another important quality of an effective manager is the ability to delegate as you've pointed out, so getting rid of DB in my opinion was the act of a person incapable of delegating. Read my post again - I did not say PK has no football intelligence - I simply observed that the criticism of him focussed on football intelligence topics. I was expressing my surprise at your near total focus on his HR ability which I would not subscribe to. wrt Donie Buckley, I don't know enough about him or what went on to comment other than when a person falls out with two different management teams the common denominator for me is the person himself. He (DB) comes well regarded but needs to be able to work with others as much as others working with him.
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Post by veteran on Nov 27, 2020 15:04:09 GMT
I have frequently written here about my unhappiness with Peter’s style of management, particularly not playing to our strengths, specifically not making appropriate use of the crack forwards with which we are blessed to have at present. However, I am never happy when I hear about a player revolt. Sometimes it is a cover for some players , usually senior players I presume, abdicating responsibility for some of their own inadequacies. Off the top of my head I am unable to recall an instance where it ended well. It certainly left a trail of poison in some counties like Waterford , Galway and above all in Cork where some would say there is still a residue of bitterness lingering since the Gerald McCarthy affair.
When a player revolt takes place , what happens when some players vote for a change and others for the status quo? That surely is a recipe for irreparable damage in itself. For better or worse the manger should be appointed by the executive. By all means let the players have their voices heard within the camp, I would be surprised if that does not happen in most sporting setups. No, the last thing I want to hear in this miserable year is a player revolt in Kerry. Let the management manage and the players play with adult interaction between them.
Referring back to player revolt in the past , Michael Bond took over the Offaly hurlers from ?Eamon Cregan mid season one year and went on to win the All-Ireland, I think ? Was that due to player revolt ? Not sure of my facts here. If it is the case , it is the only such example that I can recall.
I feel the best outcome for us would be for Peter to stay with possibly some change/s in the back room. If he does stay , I would be surprised if he did not adopt a more expansive style for 2021. He cannot be unaware and immune to the levels of criticism circulating in the county at present. I also feel the current panel does not need any drastic pruning at the moment. Regardless of the apparent invincibility of the Dubs I am convinced that we have the man power to at least match them, In that context and considering the two results of last weekend one cannot help feeling that 2020 was a lost opportunity. Water under the bridge now. I have this feeling in my old bones , with an adjustment here and an adjustment there , that we have the personnel to make Kerry football great again in 2021.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2020 16:20:16 GMT
In oct 2015 the Galway hurlers down tools under Cunningham the current Roscommon manager.
The loss of the 2015 final was surreal. Puckouts on top of the KK CHB who fetched and supplied Henry who posted it over the black spot. This routine was repeated over and over during the second half.
23 months later and Galway the All Ireland. Breheny wrote a poison piece about the players but hadnt the good grace to retract when it was obvious that they were proved right.
In 1998 Babs described his players as like sheep in a heap after losing their Leinster championship game. Enough of him said the players in protest. Babs retired.
Two months later and Offaly were all ireland champions after beating Clare after two games.
In the first game Cooney of Galway blew it up with 3 mins of normal time to go and Clare ahead by 2 points. Offalys fans took over the pitch. Kerry u21 hurlers were due on after but twas cancelled.
In the final they beat KK. Brian Whelehan pulled his hamstring so he was sent up the corner forward and scored the clinching goal.
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Post by Galway breeze on Nov 27, 2020 17:02:16 GMT
It is astonishing the way Kerry fans turn on managers. Pk brought life into the Kerry team and fans last year and now fans are asking to sack him, crazy stuff. IMO PK should get a years extension to develop the youth coming in. I would also hope he changes the Conditioning team as Kerry have not been able to finish out games strong over the last 15 minutes. He also need a new voice on the selectors.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 27, 2020 19:10:46 GMT
I never did think I'd see PK and Mick O'Dwyer in the same post, your argument is that PK has neither football intelligence or people skills. Another important quality of an effective manager is the ability to delegate as you've pointed out, so getting rid of DB in my opinion was the act of a person incapable of delegating. Read my post again - I did not say PK has no football intelligence - I simply observed that the criticism of him focussed on football intelligence topics. I was expressing my surprise at your near total focus on his HR ability which I would not subscribe to. wrt Donie Buckley, I don't know enough about him or what went on to comment other than when a person falls out with two different management teams the common denominator for me is the person himself. He (DB) comes well regarded but needs to be able to work with others as much as others working with him. What 2 managers did Donie fall out with? In any event it was the bringing in of Cian O'Neill to replace Donie that had Cork beat us - what AI winning team in any code had outside managers, or indeed backroom bods? Some say Cork got a lucky goal - a Div 3 team got a goal that may have cost us a Sam. The learning curve in managing a county time doesn't start that low and it it does then it won't be long enough to reach above Dublin. They got rid of Donie and who had the skills we most needed, and we lost to a team that aren't a patch in what lies ahead. I don't believe in knee-jerk decisions but he who hesitates is lost and everyone will lose too. Ah maybe we have no other options, well apart from he obvious one - bring Donie back and if you don't like it then lump it, it is not about any individual, players make the biggest sacrifice and their window cannot be compromised. If it is then Quantas Airways will be busier.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 27, 2020 20:14:44 GMT
I have frequently written here about my unhappiness with Peter’s style of management, particularly not playing to our strengths, specifically not making appropriate use of the crack forwards with which we are blessed to have at present. However, I am never happy when I hear about a player revolt. Sometimes it is a cover for some players , usually senior players I presume, abdicating responsibility for some of their own inadequacies. Off the top of my head I am unable to recall an instance where it ended well. It certainly left a trail of poison in some counties like Waterford , Galway and above all in Cork where some would say there is still a residue of bitterness lingering since the Gerald McCarthy affair. When a player revolt takes place , what happens when some players vote for a change and others for the status quo? That surely is a recipe for irreparable damage in itself. For better or worse the manger should be appointed by the executive. By all means let the players have their voices heard within the camp, I would be surprised if that does not happen in most sporting setups. No, the last thing I want to hear in this miserable year is a player revolt in Kerry. Let the management manage and the players play with adult interaction between them. Referring back to player revolt in the past , Michael Bond took over the Offaly hurlers from ?Eamon Cregan mid season one year and went on to win the All-Ireland, I think ? Was that due to player revolt ? Not sure of my facts here. If it is the case , it is the only such example that I can recall. I feel the best outcome for us would be for Peter to stay with possibly some change/s in the back room. If he does stay , I would be surprised if he did not adopt a more expansive style for 2021. He cannot be unaware and immune to the levels of criticism circulating in the county at present. I also feel the current panel does not need any drastic pruning at the moment. Regardless of the apparent invincibility of the Dubs I am convinced that we have the man power to at least match them, In that context and considering the two results of last weekend one cannot help feeling that 2020 was a lost opportunity. Water under the bridge now. I have this feeling in my old bones , with an adjustment here and an adjustment there , that we have the personnel to make Kerry football great again in 2021. I'd challenge you here Vet - times are different now and things have to be 100% from the start, you can't start at 75%, if only because that is the ceiling, senior intercounty is no place for a pupil. While there was a few recent surprises, ours was far and away the biggest, it was down to strategy and we had sacked a great man - wft more do we need to know. We have solved the player pipeline, now we need to focus on leadership. It's no harm to have a past master at the helm either - is anyone putting up their hand? Would Galvin, Donie and Mce Fitzy cut it - balls, defensive technique and class in attack? Maybe Moynihan o ice the cake - ah there's others and I'm not close to things, then again maybe be being too close has us where we are. Anyway if those numbers are substantiated then PK is a gonner.
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 27, 2020 20:21:08 GMT
I've had a thread removed on the Keane topic, not sure why but rules are rules I guess. Question I was asking was do people really feel Keane will loose his position and if so who would be the likely candidate to replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 20:29:57 GMT
In oct 2015 the Galway hurlers down tools under Cunningham the current Roscommon manager. The loss of the 2015 final was surreal. Puckouts on top of the KK CHB who fetched and supplied Henry who posted it over the black spot. This routine was repeated over and over during the second half. 23 months later and Galway the All Ireland. Breheny wrote a poison piece about the players but hadnt the good grace to retract when it was obvious that they were proved right. In 1998 Babs described his players as like sheep in a heap after losing their Leinster championship game. Enough of him said the players in protest. Babs retired. Two months later and Offaly were all ireland champions after beating Clare after two games. In the first game Cooney of Galway blew it up with 3 mins of normal time to go and Clare ahead by 2 points. Offalys fans took over the pitch. Kerry u21 hurlers were due on after but twas cancelled. In the final they beat KK. Brian Whelehan pulled his hamstring so he was sent up the corner forward and scored the clinching goal. And is there a conclusion to be drawn from this?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2020 20:45:48 GMT
In oct 2015 the Galway hurlers down tools under Cunningham the current Roscommon manager. The loss of the 2015 final was surreal. Puckouts on top of the KK CHB who fetched and supplied Henry who posted it over the black spot. This routine was repeated over and over during the second half. 23 months later and Galway the All Ireland. Breheny wrote a poison piece about the players but hadnt the good grace to retract when it was obvious that they were proved right. In 1998 Babs described his players as like sheep in a heap after losing their Leinster championship game. Enough of him said the players in protest. Babs retired. Two months later and Offaly were all ireland champions after beating Clare after two games. In the first game Cooney of Galway blew it up with 3 mins of normal time to go and Clare ahead by 2 points. Offalys fans took over the pitch. Kerry u21 hurlers were due on after but twas cancelled. In the final they beat KK. Brian Whelehan pulled his hamstring so he was sent up the corner forward and scored the clinching goal. And is there a conclusion to be drawn from this? Yerra no conclusion atall. Just helping out Veteran there who couldnt, off the top of his head, remember a time when a player revolt ended well.
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