mandad
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Post by mandad on Dec 21, 2020 14:14:34 GMT
In the darker days of ‘Lockdown’, this Forum provided us with an outlet to vent our feelings and frustrations. For that, I am entirely grateful. Moderators, who keep the site as quirky and authentic as it today, trusts us to behave with respect, empathy, and honesty when engaging with others. I would say that this represents only a baseline minimum. We all need time to catch up with ourselves, to take stock, to make sense of the world around us. Self-reflection - in many ways similar to having a date with yourself. Some seemed frivolous first world problems. I don’t mean to be a grouch - everyone has a right to build their extensions, cut their grass, power-wash their yard (several times a day even). Then there was Covid and of course Wrexit. A challenging year to be sure; until Trump, working nights with the scientists, produced a magic potion. Finally, ‘good old Joe’ pulled it out of the fire and sent the Donald packing. As a result, the year ended on a glorious high.
Then I find myself thinking about my partially paralysed elderly friend next door, spavined in her wheelchair. Her burden was exacerbated by the loss of her 15-year-old dog who spent most of the last months of his life dozing beside the nearest available human (a perspective I fully understand). I instantly felt ungrateful.
During the past year, some of us expressed our opinions of the various issues, often with strong and fiery iterations! Just by virtue of being human, we all share obligations to one another, and principal among these is the requirement that we treat others with fairness and dignity, not just because the rules demand it but because we should demand it of ourselves. It’s easy sometimes to mix apologies with explanations and justifications in the heat of an argument. Doing so may even be celebrated as a victory by those who equate apologies with weakness and cheer for those who might use prejudice to divide us. I choose to see it as one of the unspoken canons of propriety that governs behaviour in our interactions and applies equally to us all. To that end, I offer an uncolored apology to anyone whom I may have offended in the past exchanges.
I could pretend that I’m convinced that any amount of quittance that I could extend could ever possibly compensate for the irritations that I’ve had to endure. Yet, maybe the greater mistake is that I’ve got that backwards. Life is too short, grudges are a waste of energy, laugh when you can, apologise when you should, and let go of what you can’t change.
Long ago, before Christmas became the capitalist rout it is today, pagans gifted each other lucky charms, like a sprig of holly, to help survive the winter solstice. It might be wise to hang on to a ritual or two – you know, in case we ever have to face the darkness of our own ignorance again, and need to remind ourselves of where and what we come from.
To ALL the delightful creatures, including Moderators, that lit up my world this dreary year- a safe and happy Christmas to each of you. Many thanks for your clever, amusing, and informative company throughout the year; I’d be lost without this corner. Agus bliain nua faoi mhaise dhaoibh go léir.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 21, 2020 16:45:19 GMT
Ah jazus Mandad that's amazing, if so simple, but sure youth is wasted on the young and we were all there. We also lost a dog this year and in the end he wanted to go, they know, but hey he had a great life and we since rescued another and who needs a bit of help, and is responding. The problem in life is we are brainwashed to believe that we must spend to enjoy, I didn't spend as copper Sat evening and that match had me up the walls. You say you'd be lost without this corner, this wee corner would be very much a lesser place without you and I think a post of yours will top the charts - you will be on TV, glitz, free car and holiday, etc, just in case you might enjoy it ... All in all I don't think thee is much wrong with the forum, once we get to know each other one can get what they want, I could read your stuff all day so probably just as well there is a bit of rubbish so I get something done. Younger wans are less selective in what they say but they are cuter when making decisions that matter, maybe they use the forum to let off a bit of steam from their high pressure jobs doing what computers tell them to do, I wouldn't take a whole pile of notice really. What did you think of Sat - could we beat that Mayo performance? Éamonn Fitz has a good article in Examiner today, interesting observation on Dubs first goal! Happy xMas to you and all around you, and hopefully you will brighten many a day in 2021 for us and indeed for many a year to come, I think we all think the world of you and why wouldn't we. You are my King of The Forum, of all things GAA - and I am the better for knowing you. My only disappointment is that we don't get more of you, I'd say you have a minefield of stuff you could share, older stuff, yarns, etc, forum members love it, 'tis the kind of us, some be all posh bravado and big words but we are all the purest of culchies and proud of it, and the harder anyone tries to deny that they more they prove it. And in the context of Mandad's wisdom here is a Kiwi rugby man interviewing their Prime Minister on life in general, leadership - just interesting really, well more interesting than waiting for a football match next year - Jacinda Ardern: I try to turn self-doubt into 'something more positive'
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 21, 2020 21:28:07 GMT
I see the All Ireland finals next year after due to take place in July. In the height of holiday season. I am sure they have reasons for this change in calendar, but it's going to seriously f up my summer...unless we perform in the same fashion that we did this year in which case it wont really be that inconvenient.
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Post by john4 on Dec 22, 2020 21:16:14 GMT
Word is DB is off to Monaghan next year. Monaghan line up sensational swoop for former Kerry coach Donie Buckley t.co/dJob82CiFO
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Post by southward on Dec 22, 2020 21:18:53 GMT
Word is DB is off to Monaghan next year. Monaghan line up sensational swoop for former Kerry coach Donie Buckley t.co/dJob82CiFOSure I suppose he was never coming back to us anyway.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 23, 2020 11:59:15 GMT
Is there any merit in giving just 2 points for a goal scored with the hands or fist? It would surely encourage more use of the boot in goal scoring situations.
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Post by southward on Dec 23, 2020 13:52:40 GMT
Is there any merit in giving just 2 points for a goal scored with the hands or fist? It would surely encourage more use of the boot in goal scoring situations. There's merit in giving a free out for it.
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Post by veteran on Dec 23, 2020 20:48:27 GMT
Is there any merit in giving just 2 points for a goal scored with the hands or fist? It would surely encourage more use of the boot in goal scoring situations. There's merit in giving a free out for it. There is merit Southward as you say in giving a free out as a lot of those goals are no more than throw balls. Another ugly feature of the game. It baffles me how our legislators , who presumably are as interested int the welfare of the game as members on this forum are , can condone something as ugly as those goals and suggest they enhance our game. Mystery.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 23, 2020 21:01:13 GMT
the buildup to the Dublin goal by Rock was excellent. The perfect pass by McCarthy. The return pass. Rock peeling away and the perfect pass by McCarthy to Rock. All it needed was a fetch and a boot to the net.
If only 2 points were on offer for a fisted goal i reckon Rock would have used the boot.
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Post by veteran on Dec 23, 2020 21:44:39 GMT
the buildup to the Dublin goal by Rock was excellent. The perfect pass by McCarthy. The return pass. Rock peeling away and the perfect pass by McCarthy to Rock. All it needed was a fetch and a boot to the net. If only 2 points were on offer for a fisted goal i reckon Rock would have used the boot. Do you think he would have used the boot if those types of goals were outlawed ? I suspect he would as the slapped goal would not register one point or two points or three points. That would incentivise the kicked goal right enough.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 23, 2020 21:56:52 GMT
the buildup to the Dublin goal by Rock was excellent. The perfect pass by McCarthy. The return pass. Rock peeling away and the perfect pass by McCarthy to Rock. All it needed was a fetch and a boot to the net. If only 2 points were on offer for a fisted goal i reckon Rock would have used the boot. Do you think he would have used the boot if those types of goals were outlawed ? I suspect he would as the slapped goal would not register one point or two points or three points. That would incentivise the kicked goal right enough. I wouldnt ban the palmed or fisted goal to be honest. I would reduce its worth to 2 points though. If you ban it you might never again see a green flag raised given how defensive the game has gone.
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Post by skybluezone on Dec 25, 2020 0:58:59 GMT
Do you think he would have used the boot if those types of goals were outlawed ? I suspect he would as the slapped goal would not register one point or two points or three points. That would incentivise the kicked goal right enough. I wouldnt ban the palmed or fisted goal to be honest. I would reduce its worth to 2 points though. If you ban it you might never again see a green flag raised given how defensive the game has gone.
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Post by skybluezone on Dec 25, 2020 1:00:25 GMT
Did they not change the rules in the early 80s cos of the number of hand passed goals? Kerry being the main protagonists?
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Post by veteran on Dec 25, 2020 11:10:59 GMT
Did they not change the rules in the early 80s cos of the number of hand passed goals? Kerry being the main protagonists? First of all congratulations on your merited win. Great achievement. You are right the rule was appropriately changed back then. I can assure you Dublin were equally culpable for those hand passed goals but that is not here or there . Do you think these slapped/palmed goals should be outlawed? I can assure this is not a dig at Dublin. All counties are at it. We scored one in the minor game during the week. To me it is an anti-climax, after a good build up, that a fine move should culminate in a fashion one of my grandchildren could execute.
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Post by skybluezone on Dec 25, 2020 17:56:33 GMT
Did they not change the rules in the early 80s cos of the number of hand passed goals? Kerry being the main protagonists? First of all congratulations on your merited win. You are right the rule was appropriately changed back then. I can assure you Dublin were equally culpable for those hand passed goals but that is not here or there . Do you think these slapped/palmed goals should be outlawed? I can assure this is not a dig at Dublin. All counties are at it. We scored one in the minor game during the week. To me it is an anti-climax, after a good build up, that a fine move should culminate in a fashion one of my grandchildren could execute. Cheers. As a Dub, What a time to be alive. I get what you are driving at, but I don't think it gives credit to the poachers. watching Rock or Brogan lose a defender and get into a position to apply the finish is an art in itself. I would also add that keepers are so good these days that the only way to consistently beat them is to draw them and pass. Clarke saved Mayo from conceding 3 or 4 goals v Tipp, who if they had gone the extra pass would have seriously troubled Mayo. Long story short, it's an art in itself. Like a fellas who hand passes well, simple but effective.
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Post by veteran on Dec 25, 2020 18:47:09 GMT
Isn’t it a shame , considering there is so much art involved in the creation of these goals , that a crescendo isn’t reached by using the foot to climax the move. Now there is an art which is in danger of becoming a distant memory.
The very least it would do is put the foot into football which would act as a counterpoint to the epidemic of hand passing further out the field. These slapped/palmed goals are a further example of the inconsistency of our very often crazy rule set of rules . If goals are becoming scarce and goalies so difficult to beat why not allow a player to solo towards the goal and fist the ball directly to the net.
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Post by Galway breeze on Dec 26, 2020 13:30:10 GMT
I’m already looking forward to championship 2021 my prediction is Armagh v Monaghan final. Disappointed for the u17s they might finish this competition in 2021 even do most of these lads will be u18 rather then u17.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Dec 26, 2020 16:30:04 GMT
The fisted goal rule needs minor tweaking 1. It may only be scored with a one hand closed fist movement. 2. It requires the ball being kicked to the player before playing the ball with their fist.
This should eliminate the vast majority of issues people have with the current method.
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Post by mossie on Dec 26, 2020 17:25:44 GMT
First of all congratulations on your merited win. You are right the rule was appropriately changed back then. I can assure you Dublin were equally culpable for those hand passed goals but that is not here or there . Do you think these slapped/palmed goals should be outlawed? I can assure this is not a dig at Dublin. All counties are at it. We scored one in the minor game during the week. To me it is an anti-climax, after a good build up, that a fine move should culminate in a fashion one of my grandchildren could execute. Cheers. As a Dub, What a time to be alive. I get what you are driving at, but I don't think it gives credit to the poachers. watching Rock or Brogan lose a defender and get into a position to apply the finish is an art in itself. I would also add that keepers are so good these days that the only way to consistently beat them is to draw them and pass. Clarke saved Mayo from conceding 3 or 4 goals v Tipp, who if they had gone the extra pass would have seriously troubled Mayo. Long story short, it's an art in itself. Like a fellas who hand passes well, simple but effective. some of the palmed goals are not as easily executed as you make out veteran
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Post by veteran on Dec 26, 2020 19:37:57 GMT
The fisted goal rule needs minor tweaking 1. It may only be scored with a one hand closed fist movement. 2. It requires the ball being kicked to the player before playing the ball with their fist. This should eliminate the vast majority of issues people have with the current method. That would improve matters to some extent but banning any hand propelled goal would be my preferred choice.
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Post by skybluezone on Dec 26, 2020 20:16:30 GMT
The fisted goal rule needs minor tweaking 1. It may only be scored with a one hand closed fist movement. 2. It requires the ball being kicked to the player before playing the ball with their fist. This should eliminate the vast majority of issues people have with the current method. That would improve matters to some extent but banning any hand propelled goal would be my preferred choice. If you need extra rules brought in to have the last pass before the goal as a kick pass I think it would confuse matters further. We are already trying ourselves up in knots with additional rules, eg; forward mark. Awful rule. There may be something in allowing a punch to the net rather than a palmed finish.
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 26, 2020 22:27:45 GMT
I would accept the fisted goal if it is not the product of multiple hand passes. - A bigger blight on the game for me is the keep ball mentality which is alien to the game of football which should encourage the traditional skills more. There are a number of strategies employed by teams in the current evolution of football which are anti-football in my opinion. Chief among them are the "keep ball" strategies which see the ball played over and back the pitch. Basketball countered this with the shot clock which is effective but would be problematic in GAA. I would favour the elimination of successive hand passes - any ball received by way of a hand passed must be kicked by the receiver. This one simple change would return the game to a foot game and would go a long way to eliminating the massed defences as any player receiving a hand pass must kick the ball making it of interest to the opposition to pressure him even more. The in play mark is also not fit for purpose and should go or at least be modified such that the kicker must be in his own half - cross field kicks for a mark were not the intention of this rule I believe.
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Post by mitchelsontour on Dec 27, 2020 0:36:06 GMT
Is there anychance of new jersey on the way to replace the current monstrosity?
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Post by skybluezone on Dec 27, 2020 10:56:31 GMT
I would accept the fisted goal if it is not the product of multiple hand passes. - A bigger blight on the game for me is the keep ball mentality which is alien to the game of football which should encourage the traditional skills more. There are a number of strategies employed by teams in the current evolution of football which are anti-football in my opinion. Chief among them are the "keep ball" strategies which see the ball played over and back the pitch. Basketball countered this with the shot clock which is effective but would be problematic in GAA. I would favour the elimination of successive hand passes - any ball received by way of a hand passed must be kicked by the receiver. This one simple change would return the game to a foot game and would go a long way to eliminating the massed defences as any player receiving a hand pass must kick the ball making it of interest to the opposition to pressure him even more. The in play mark is also not fit for purpose and should go or at least be modified such that the kicker must be in his own half - cross field kicks for a mark were not the intention of this rule I believe. The keep ball tactic evolved as a way of countering the blanket defence approach. If blanket was addressed,eg; by requiring say 2 forwards to be in opposition half at all times, it may go some way to negating keep ball.
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 27, 2020 14:55:48 GMT
I would accept the fisted goal if it is not the product of multiple hand passes. - A bigger blight on the game for me is the keep ball mentality which is alien to the game of football which should encourage the traditional skills more. There are a number of strategies employed by teams in the current evolution of football which are anti-football in my opinion. Chief among them are the "keep ball" strategies which see the ball played over and back the pitch. Basketball countered this with the shot clock which is effective but would be problematic in GAA. I would favour the elimination of successive hand passes - any ball received by way of a hand passed must be kicked by the receiver. This one simple change would return the game to a foot game and would go a long way to eliminating the massed defences as any player receiving a hand pass must kick the ball making it of interest to the opposition to pressure him even more. The in play mark is also not fit for purpose and should go or at least be modified such that the kicker must be in his own half - cross field kicks for a mark were not the intention of this rule I believe. The keep ball tactic evolved as a way of countering the blanket defence approach. If blanket was addressed,eg; by requiring say 2 forwards to be in opposition half at all times, it may go some way to negating keep ball. I think it is important that rules changes are (relatively) easy to implement and manage - the two/three players in opposition half is appealing but is fraught with practical difficulty when it comes to implementation.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 27, 2020 16:20:15 GMT
I think we are far too quick to change rules.
The blanket was on the way out as teams saw it was a losing proposition.
Let innovative coaches get around stumbling blocks within the confines of the existing rules.
But ban the palmed goal.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 31, 2020 21:05:02 GMT
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Post by Galway breeze on Jan 1, 2021 9:59:45 GMT
Interesting read on concussion link rdcu.be/b7V6y. For all the player welfare talk Gaa are letting players down when it comes to health. Concussion has to be taken seriously and more needs to be done this year 2021.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 1, 2021 19:32:35 GMT
Interesting read on concussion link rdcu.be/b7V6y. For all the player welfare talk Gaa are letting players down when it comes to health. Concussion has to be taken seriously and more needs to be done this year 2021. Examiner article based on this study. Really looks like the GAA need to bring in stronger rules and enforcement on this as it looks very much like the current situation is subpar. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40199301.html
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Post by veteran on Jan 7, 2021 11:09:23 GMT
In an age of an uncertain contagion, handled uncertainly by uncertain 'experts', the GAA gave decided to alter their time table, their shopping hours so to speak. Why the haste? Would it not have been prudent to defer this innovation for another year when the picture may have become clearer.
The alterations suggest that the intercounty scene be completed by July, so that the nation can then become gripped in a frenzy of club games. Even the ultra competitive NFL is being tampered with. It was too successful I suppose. I get the impression that the intercountry games are seen as a nuisance by some people. Among the greatest zealots of the club game are retired intercounty players who now swear undying allegiance even though most of them were happy to turn their back on it for the sake of a higher calling in their pre retirement days. A touch of the reformed alcoholic about their new found crusade.
Decades of tradition which has stood the GAA in good stead is now being jettisoned. The GAA games reach a climax in August/September, dates which were set in stone. Now, from the end of July each county goes its own way and no doubt other sports will gleefully move into the vacuum on the national stage, garnering increasing publicity and, as a consequence, increasing sponsorship. The super eights are also being cast aside. I cannot understand the antipathy to that competition by some people, especially considering it is only in its infancy and therefore amenable to adjustments.
Whether people like it or not, intercounty competition is the jewel in the GAA crown. Alter it at your peril. I have got a sinking feeling that these proposals, if implemented as outlined, could lead to the GAA becoming as relevant in the lives of Irish people as League of Ireland soccer. Apocryphal perhaps, but as always time will be the arbiter.
Finally, if I had a product on the market, my priority would be the quality of that product How good is it? How desirable is it to my potential consumers? Could it be improved? The product in this case is football. Is it a must have commodity? Take a critical look at it. The incessant, monotonous hand passing , the palmed/slapped goal, the chest high mark and the latest example of marketing genius known as the offensive mark. Would any objective assessment of that product claim that it is close to being market ready?
Therefore I recommend to the GAA, look at your product and see how it can be enhanced. When you have completed that exercise, then and not before, review your opening hours.
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