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Post by hurlingman on Nov 2, 2024 15:32:16 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it You clearly have something against Peter Keane and that's fine. But to say 2021 was a write off is wrong. Only for David Clifford going off injured Kerry would likely have won that game. You'll of course disagree with that though. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 2, 2024 16:24:59 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it You clearly have something against Peter Keane and that's fine. But to say 2021 was a write off is wrong. Only for David Clifford going off injured Kerry would likely have won that game. You'll of course disagree with that though. I think that's too simple, Yes Clifford was unreal that day but we were so nieve that day. How long did it take them on the line to realise we were running into traffic and getting turned over again and again. Clifford going off shouldn't have meant we lost that game. Management had no plan B. For all criticism Jack gets he plans for the opposition. Peter didn't appear too. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 2, 2024 16:36:22 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it Armagh were good without being great last year. Anyone back them for the All Ireland ? I highly doubt it. Kerry kicked that away and like it or not Shane Ryan's mistake turned the momentum. Winners write the history and their success is magnified/exaggerated in the media etc. Just look at what was said post 2022. Kerry would dominate etc. Armagh will not retain Sam or come close. They do well to win Ulster. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2024 16:47:36 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it You clearly have something against Peter Keane and that's fine. But to say 2021 was a write off is wrong. Only for David Clifford going off injured Kerry would likely have won that game. You'll of course disagree with that though. The only thing I have against him is that 2020 showed that he was out of his depth, grossly out of his depth. The county board should have pushed him but if he had Kerry’s best interest at heart then he’d have walked himself. Staying on was just arrogance, it was over and we weren’t going to win an All Ireland with him at the helm I want Kerry to win the all Ireland every year and usually go in optimistic but you could have named your odds & id have taken your money in 2021 |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2024 16:48:46 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it Armagh were good without being great last year. Anyone back them for the All Ireland ? I highly doubt it. Kerry kicked that away and like it or not Shane Ryan's mistake turned the momentum. Winners write the history and their success is magnified/exaggerated in the media etc. Just look at what was said post 2022. Kerry would dominate etc. Armagh will not retain Sam or come close. They do well to win Ulster. I agree with all your statements but I still think what I said was accurate- we gave them a chance and they took it. They weren’t lucky against us as we gave them that chance |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 2, 2024 16:55:44 GMT
Armagh were good without being great last year. Anyone back them for the All Ireland ? I highly doubt it. Kerry kicked that away and like it or not Shane Ryan's mistake turned the momentum. Winners write the history and their success is magnified/exaggerated in the media etc. Just look at what was said post 2022. Kerry would dominate etc. Armagh will not retain Sam or come close. They do well to win Ulster. I agree with all your statements but I still think what I said was accurate- we gave them a chance and they took it. They weren’t lucky against us as we gave them that chance 100% We opened the door and they walk through it. Funny I don't know why but the Monaghan highlights came on my phone during the week and the goal we conceded was very similar. Ryan punched a ball clear and it fell to the wrong man. 9/10 Kerry win that game against Armagh. Don't get me wrong they have some fine players and McGeeney is very likeable guy and you wouldn't begrudge them. I have never in my life agreed with anything Philly McMahon has said but he was on BBC commentary and his first words after the final whistle to Thomas Niblock was "They won't retain it" I don't think that's a great statement on champions. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2024 17:09:16 GMT
I agree with all your statements but I still think what I said was accurate- we gave them a chance and they took it. They weren’t lucky against us as we gave them that chance 100% We opened the door and they walk through it. Funny I don't know why but the Monaghan highlights came on my phone during the week and the goal we conceded was very similar. Ryan punched a ball clear and it fell to the wrong man. 9/10 Kerry win that game against Armagh. Don't get me wrong they have some fine players and McGeeney is very likeable guy and you wouldn't begrudge them. I have never in my life agreed with anything Philly McMahon has said but he was on BBC commentary and his first words after the final whistle to Thomas Niblock was "They won't retain it" I don't think that's a great statement on champions. I would give them close to no chance of retaining it |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 2, 2024 17:15:02 GMT
Both Peter Keane and Jack O’Connor have major weaknesses. If Pat O’Shea was in charge from 2019 to 2024 how many All Irelands would we have? Certainly more than one anyway.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2024 17:19:50 GMT
Both Peter Keane and Jack O’Connor have major weaknesses. If Pat O’Shea was in charge from 2019 to 2024 how many All Irelands would we have? Certainly more than one anyway. You could well be right, Pat is a very good coach and knows how to win |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 2, 2024 17:30:22 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it Actually well said about Armagh but I do think PK was a little unlucky and we did play nice football.2020 was a disaster v Cork but tbf weather was attrocios and Clifford made some bad decisions that day.2021 we played well going forward but were a tad unlucky with the goals.PK was a little naive no doubt but was nt the total disaster some think. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2024 17:34:21 GMT
You’re mixing the opinions of several posters there. 2019 was a chance missed, we were a point and a man up in injury time and we messed up tactically. We naive to a worrying level in terms of bringing on defensive players & hoping to close it out. 2020 was a fall on your sword moment and only reinforced the worries that emanated from 2019’s naivety. 2021 was written off once we agreed to keep PK on so a tactically naive collapse to Tyrone was always on the cards. As an FYI, I don’t think Armagh got lucky against us. We presented them with an a opportunity and they went & took it Actually well said about Armagh but I do think PK was a little unlucky and we did play nice football.2020 was a disaster v Cork but tbf weather was attrocios and Clifford made some bad decisions that day.2021 we played well going forward but were a tad unlucky with the goals.PK was a little naive no doubt but was nt the total disaster some think. 2019 & 2021 were naive, 2020 was a total disaster. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 2, 2024 17:39:00 GMT
Armagh were good without being great last year. Anyone back them for the All Ireland ? I highly doubt it. Kerry kicked that away and like it or not Shane Ryan's mistake turned the momentum. Winners write the history and their success is magnified/exaggerated in the media etc. Just look at what was said post 2022. Kerry would dominate etc. Armagh will not retain Sam or come close. They do well to win Ulster. I agree with all your statements but I still think what I said was accurate- we gave them a chance and they took it. They weren’t lucky against us as we gave them that chance You are correct but I actually backed Armagh for the All Ireland.I back two teams every year for the football.Kerry and an outside bet and this year my outside bet was Armagh. I Felt Armagh had huge talent and funny enough my fear for them was McGeeney was too cautious with them.I also felt he should be starting Campbell and Jarly Og but they won it anyway. Posters saying they wont retain it does nt take from their win.Its very hard to retain it and Ulster is a minefield but they are a fine team and will put it up to any of the big teams again next year. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2024 17:42:08 GMT
I agree with all your statements but I still think what I said was accurate- we gave them a chance and they took it. They weren’t lucky against us as we gave them that chance You are correct but I actually backed Armagh for the All Ireland.I back two teams every year for the football.Kerry and an outside bet and this year my outside bet was Armagh. I Felt Armagh had huge talent and funny enough my fear for them was McGeeney was too cautious with them.I also felt he should be starting Campbell and Jarly Og but they won it anyway. Posters saying they wont retain it does nt take from their win.Its very hard to retain it and Ulster is a minefield but they are a fine team and will put it up to any of the big teams again next year. I agree with you that they are a good team but I would say that I don’t think they’ll retain it. Derry, if they can sort out their coaching situation & Donegal are better, Tyrone possibly too |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 2, 2024 18:03:20 GMT
Both Peter Keane and Jack O’Connor have major weaknesses. If Pat O’Shea was in charge from 2019 to 2024 how many All Irelands would we have? Certainly more than one anyway. Pat is an exceptional coach, He made mistakes as a Kerry manager no different to Jack or Peter. 2008 was the chance to beat that Tyrone team and we played right into Tyrones hands that day aswell. |
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Nov 2, 2024 22:00:59 GMT
I agree with all your statements but I still think what I said was accurate- we gave them a chance and they took it. They weren’t lucky against us as we gave them that chance 100% We opened the door and they walk through it. Funny I don't know why but the Monaghan highlights came on my phone during the week and the goal we conceded was very similar. Ryan punched a ball clear and it fell to the wrong man. 9/10 Kerry win that game against Armagh. Don't get me wrong they have some fine players and McGeeney is very likeable guy and you wouldn't begrudge them. I have never in my life agreed with anything Philly McMahon has said but he was on BBC commentary and his first words after the final whistle to Thomas Niblock was "They won't retain it"I don't think that's a great statement on champions. I never heard that. But it seems a strange thing to say straight after the final whistle. It’s a bit like saying “it will never last” while the bride and groom are walking back up the aisle. Anyway, Sam seems happy enough here in Armagh for now. Next year will sort itself out. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 2, 2024 22:08:40 GMT
100% We opened the door and they walk through it. Funny I don't know why but the Monaghan highlights came on my phone during the week and the goal we conceded was very similar. Ryan punched a ball clear and it fell to the wrong man. 9/10 Kerry win that game against Armagh. Don't get me wrong they have some fine players and McGeeney is very likeable guy and you wouldn't begrudge them. I have never in my life agreed with anything Philly McMahon has said but he was on BBC commentary and his first words after the final whistle to Thomas Niblock was "They won't retain it"I don't think that's a great statement on champions. I never heard that. But it seems a strange thing to say straight after the final whistle. It’s a bit like saying “it will never last” while the bride and groom are walking back up the aisle. Anyway, Sam seems happy enough here in Armagh for now. Next year will sort itself out. It wasn't on air but its discussed after the game on the Pod with Thomas & Oisin. Sam is where he belongs for 2024. Nobody myself included disputes that. |
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 3, 2024 0:33:45 GMT
I never heard that. But it seems a strange thing to say straight after the final whistle. It’s a bit like saying “it will never last” while the bride and groom are walking back up the aisle. Anyway, Sam seems happy enough here in Armagh for now. Next year will sort itself out. It wasn't on air but its discussed after the game on the Pod with Thomas & Oisin. Sam is where he belongs for 2024.
Nobody myself included disputes that. Great sentence Royal. They deserve credit for winning. The right team always wins the competition but it will be remembered as the last year before the rule changes rather than proving the rule changes were not needed. |
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Post by likeitornot on Nov 3, 2024 11:28:23 GMT
Both Peter Keane and Jack O’Connor have major weaknesses. If Pat O’Shea was in charge from 2019 to 2024 how many All Irelands would we have? Certainly more than one anyway. Pat is an exceptional coach, He made mistakes as a Kerry manager no different to Jack or Peter. 2008 was the chance to beat that Tyrone team and we played right into Tyrones hands that day aswell. the circus around Paul Galvin in 2008 was no help to Pat or the team.. twas a bit like the circus around Kyle Hayes and Limerick this year.. did them no favours either |
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Post by The16thMan on Nov 4, 2024 13:06:59 GMT
I see it was announced this morning that €6m was allocated to Fitzgerald Stadium by state funding to renovate the terracing in the scoreboard end. Which is Phase 1 of the development plan.
Might be a premature question, but does anyone have any idea when they intend on carrying out this work?
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Post by veteran on Nov 4, 2024 15:12:19 GMT
James McCarthy has retired. He was a formidable opponent.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 4, 2024 16:43:21 GMT
James McCarthy has retired. He was a formidable opponent. Rolls Royce footballer. Best player on that Dublin team in my opinion. |
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Post by veteran on Nov 4, 2024 16:56:31 GMT
James McCarthy has retired. He was a formidable opponent. Rolls Royce footballer. Best player on that Dublin team in my opinion. I would give that accolade to Ciaran Kilkenny . |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 4, 2024 17:13:22 GMT
Rolls Royce footballer. Best player on that Dublin team in my opinion. I would give that accolade to Ciaran Kilkenny . Not even in the same parish Vet ! McCarthy always showed up from 2011 until he retired. He was the heartbeat of that team. |
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Post by veteran on Nov 4, 2024 17:29:04 GMT
I would give that accolade to Ciaran Kilkenny . Not even in the same parish Vet ! McCarthy always showed up from 2011 until he retired. He was the heartbeat of that team. Off the top of my head I cannot recall an occasion when we could contain Ciarán Kilkenny. Without being parochial, repeatedly doing it against Kerry is a good barometer of a player’s ability. I don’t think James had the same consistent impactful displays against us. Also, Ciaran achieved his greatness on football ability alone. For me, that is an important consideration. In any case, both made huge contributions to Dublin over their careers. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 4, 2024 21:06:20 GMT
James McCarthy has retired. He was a formidable opponent. Rolls Royce footballer. Best player on that Dublin team in my opinion. I'm with Royal in this one.. whether NcCarthy was wing back or midfield he was the heartbeat- to me he was as important as Cluxton was in goals, he never shirked, never hid, was the one player that on many occasion grabbed the game by the scruff if the neck either by a turnover, driving run, a score or a hardy tackle.. even when we were on the receiving end, you'd have to half admire the man.. head and shoulders above Fenton, Rock, Kilkenny and the Brogans.. a true old fashioned warrior. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2024 21:25:03 GMT
In the next 24 hours or so, Peter Keane is to be put forward for Clare Club delegates to approve as regards to the vacant Clare senior football manager position.
However there is controversy in Clare after our U20 football manager Mikey Neylon resigned from the role late night. It seems that he was set to be the man to replace Mark Fitzgerald and had a backroom team all ready also.
However it seems that the county board changed their mind and gave the job to the 2019-21 Kerry senior football manager instead with issues of communication to the Miltown Malbay clubman over their decision making.
It would also appear that an outside benefactor will fund Peter Keane and his management team's expenses.
All in all it's a messy situation. I expect this controversy to be raised by delegates in tomorrow's Clare County board November meeting.
My own take on all this is that Mikey Neylon has been harshly treated by the CB. But I am not Neylon's biggest fan, his style of football is sterile and his communication and man management skills is very poor. Many of our best players who have been eligible for inter county U20 grade have refused to commit while he remains in charge.
Whatever way you dress it up, it is this posters opinion that the Clare County board don't care about improving fortunes of football in the county. And if you want to blame Pat Fitzgerald the long serving Clare CB secretary for this, then don't, he has stepped down from the role since July 2022.
It will be interesting if this story regarding Neylon gathers pace in the coming days. Once again the interests of Clare football are an increasingly irrelevant after thought for the top table in the Clare County board executive.
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Post by john4 on Nov 4, 2024 21:48:26 GMT
In the next 24 hours or so, Peter Keane is to be put forward for Clare Club delegates to approve as regards to the vacant Clare senior football manager position. However there is controversy in Clare after our U20 football manager Mikey Neylon resigned from the role late night. It seems that he was set to be the man to replace Mark Fitzgerald and had a backroom team all ready also. However it seems that the county board changed their mind and gave the job to the 2019-21 Kerry senior football manager instead with issues of communication to the Miltown Malbay clubman over their decision making. It would also appear that an outside benefactor will fund Peter Keane and his management team's expenses. All in all it's a messy situation. I expect this controversy to be raised by delegates in tomorrow's Clare County board November meeting. My own take on all this is that Mikey Neylon has been harshly treated by the CB. But I am not Neylon's biggest fan, his style of football is sterile and his communication and man management skills is very poor. Many of our best players who have been eligible for inter county U20 grade have refused to commit while he remains in charge. Whatever way you dress it up, it is this posters opinion that the Clare County board don't care about improving fortunes of football in the county. And if you want to blame Pat Fitzgerald the long serving Clare CB secretary for this, then don't, he has stepped down from the role since July 2022. It will be interesting if this story regarding Neylon gathers pace in the coming days. Once again the interests of Clare football are an increasingly irrelevant after thought for the top table in the Clare County board executive. Liam McCarthy is probably somewhere in Ennis tonight. Football is second fiddle unfortunately and I'm fairly sure not many in the CB are too excited about it and possibly see it as a nuisance if not a hindrance to even better hurling. If I remember correctly, was there a bit of unhappiness also prior to Mark Fitzgerald's appointment with some West Clare clubs vocal in their view that their football manager be from Clare as opposed to an outside manager. I see this as round 2 of that. Might go a bit to explain Mark's early departure in spite of the great year they had. It's practically impossible for any of the 5 hurling counties to make progress with their football, there's so many internal influences fighting against it. Munster Gaa don't care either, their happy enough to let the lads in Kerry work away with their football while they delight in the Munster hurling championship and beyond |
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Post by mafi97 on Nov 4, 2024 22:04:08 GMT
Rolls Royce footballer. Best player on that Dublin team in my opinion. I'm with Royal in this one.. whether NcCarthy was wing back or midfield he was the heartbeat- to me he was as important as Cluxton was in goals, he never shirked, never hid, was the one player that on many occasion grabbed the game by the scruff if the neck either by a turnover, driving run, a score or a hardy tackle.. even when we were on the receiving end, you'd have to half admire the man.. head and shoulders above Fenton, Rock, Kilkenny and the Brogans.. a true old fashioned warrior. James McCarthy got away with murder all through his career. But, if we had him through that period, we would have won so many more All Irelands. When Bernard Dunne worked with the Dubs, he said that McCarthy would have made it in any field sport. |
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Post by mike70 on Nov 4, 2024 22:07:47 GMT
All the best to McCarty in his retirement, what a fabulous footballer, the way he played, direct and honest.
Definitely in any team picked since the 2000’s .
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 4, 2024 23:21:32 GMT
Agree with most posters on McCarthy.A super super player who was equally as good at half back or midfield.Great fielder,teak tough and pace to burn.A player id love to have on a Kerry team.
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