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Post by hurlingman on Oct 13, 2022 7:53:45 GMT
Kerry will need more big men around the middle third to deal with their own and the opposition puckouts. If you are beaten in that part of the game you have no chance. Podge Boyle was brilliant in 2022 in winning primary possession (ably assisted by Mikey Boyle and Fionan Mackessy) but a few more big men are needed and certainly Barry oMahony would be a huge asset. Also the oLeary brothers and Brandon Barrett. They are a good few around that could make a huge difference. Cork, Tipp and Waterford couldnt complete in Munster in 2022 so the step up from winning a Joe McDonagh to playing in Munster would be very difficult. Whats best for Kerry and hurling in the long run is what matters and maybe over time it would work out. you are spot on Mickmack re winning primary possession, Kerry need bigger men. The 2 Boyles still have a contribution to make but are not getting any younger, also, Padraig was clearly carrying a knee injury in the closing stages of the county hurling championship The O'Learys are big losses as ball winners as you say. I dont see them back in the Kerry fold, injuries are holding them back at club level so hard to see them back with Kerry. Brandon Barrett returning would be great but he wont solve the issue you refer to. One of the most impressive ball winners in the County senior hurling championship was Barry O'Sullivan (Dingle\Kilmoyley) but I cant see Barry having time to commit to the senior hurling team It will be a diffult one for Stephen Molumphy to resolve Barry O Sullivan is a good call. But as you say would he be able to commit. Kerry are definitely going to need to try and blood some new faces next year. Luke Crowley looks a good prospect. Could be worth having him at least part of the panel next year. You'd wonder will Molumphy bring in anymore outside players. The fella this year weren't really anything to write home about imo.
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Post by legendz on Oct 13, 2022 16:38:08 GMT
I see a tweet just now from Tony Leen of the Irish Examoner. “So @munstergaa eventually agrees to permit Kerry directly into Munster SHC if they win the Joe McDonagh Cup in 2023. A motion will be sent to Congress to ratify same.” The correcting of a very unfair (at best!) situation I think…. A positive development and long overdue, if it comes to pass. A small change within the current format is to allow the McDonagh Cup winner to determine the province with 6 teams. Whoever finishes 6th in the 6 team championship would have to be relegated. The top 5 in all provinces then are treated the same. If Leinster is 5 teams for a year, they can enjoy a year with no relegation threat for a change.
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Post by southward on Oct 19, 2022 18:22:49 GMT
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Post by mossie on Oct 19, 2022 20:00:06 GMT
you are spot on Mickmack re winning primary possession, Kerry need bigger men. The 2 Boyles still have a contribution to make but are not getting any younger, also, Padraig was clearly carrying a knee injury in the closing stages of the county hurling championship The O'Learys are big losses as ball winners as you say. I dont see them back in the Kerry fold, injuries are holding them back at club level so hard to see them back with Kerry. Brandon Barrett returning would be great but he wont solve the issue you refer to. One of the most impressive ball winners in the County senior hurling championship was Barry O'Sullivan (Dingle\Kilmoyley) but I cant see Barry having time to commit to the senior hurling team It will be a diffult one for Stephen Molumphy to resolve Barry O Sullivan is a good call. But as you say would he be able to commit. Kerry are definitely going to need to try and blood some new faces next year. Luke Crowley looks a good prospect. Could be worth having him at least part of the panel next year. You'd wonder will Molumphy bring in anymore outside players. The fella this year weren't really anything to write home about imo. The outside players didnt bring much in 2022, I d rather we went on without them to be honest. any player from another county, living in kerry and playing for a kerry club is welcome obviously Luke Crowley could be with the kerry under 20 footballers so that would rule him out. He was with the kerry under 20 hurlers in 2022 and in the long run is a prospect for the senior hurling team
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 8, 2022 21:42:38 GMT
So Kerry are fixed to play Offaly in Killarney at 2 in the afternoon while the footballers are fixed to play in Tralee later that same evening.
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Post by mossie on Dec 12, 2022 19:13:35 GMT
So Kerry are fixed to play Offaly in Killarney at 2 in the afternoon while the footballers are fixed to play in Tralee later that same evening. must be some reason why they didnt go double header? It would be great to have had a double header especially for the hurlers
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 12, 2022 20:04:28 GMT
I recall double headers in the past, one in particular, 94/95 wise was a Doubke header against Dublin in Killarney, hurlers and footballers … it was a great evenings entertainment
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 12, 2022 20:56:48 GMT
So Kerry are fixed to play Offaly in Killarney at 2 in the afternoon while the footballers are fixed to play in Tralee later that same evening. must be some reason why they didnt go double header? It would be great to have had a double header especially for the hurlers I think it's Kildare and Derry are due to play each other in both football and hurling on the same day but one is away and the other home and vice versa
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Post by mossie on Dec 12, 2022 22:16:30 GMT
I recall double headers in the past, one in particular, 94/95 wise was a Doubke header against Dublin in Killarney, hurlers and footballers … it was a great evenings entertainment yes, double header in Killarney, Liam Walsh of Dublin was named on both the Dublin football and hurling team! He later spent a year in Kerry in 2002 won a Senior hurling championship with Kilmoyley and played with the Kerry hurlers That double header in Killarney was also one of Jason Sherlock first matches with Dublin
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 13, 2022 7:41:10 GMT
Seamus Moynihan was selected on the forty the same day if my memory is correct.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 13, 2022 8:59:43 GMT
There were double headers in the last 10 years as well. In maybe 2012/13 I think. There was definitely one in Killarney and another on a Saturday night in Tralee.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 13, 2022 9:00:41 GMT
Kerry minor and U20 will be playing in Leinster from next year. I good move to at least get some competitive games.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Dec 13, 2022 11:06:45 GMT
Kerry minor and U20 will be playing in Leinster from next year. I good move to at least get some competitive games. Hurlingman that is actually one of the best moves that Kerry hurling will ever make. While Kerry 20s and minors can usually be competitive for the first half of the Munster championship games the second half usually ends up a 15 or 20 point beating. Kerry would match and beat the Carlow, Kildare & Westmeaths in Leinster and on their day could very well beat a Dublin or Wexford like Kildare have done recently. On a separate note the Munster hurling league fixtures are out Munster Hurling League Group B Round 1 – Kerry v Cork, 7:00pm January 5th 2023 @ Austin Stack Park Tralee Round 3 – Limerick v Kerry, 7:00pm January 17th @ Mick Neville Park Rathkeale
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 13, 2022 18:39:10 GMT
Kerry minor and U20 will be playing in Leinster from next year. I good move to at least get some competitive games. Hurlingman that is actually one of the best moves that Kerry hurling will ever make. While Kerry 20s and minors can usually be competitive for the first half of the Munster championship games the second half usually ends up a 15 or 20 point beating. Kerry would match and beat the Carlow, Kildare & Westmeaths in Leinster and on their day could very well beat a Dublin or Wexford like Kildare have done recently. On a separate note the Munster hurling league fixtures are out Munster Hurling League Group B Round 1 – Kerry v Cork, 7:00pm January 5th 2023 @ Austin Stack Park Tralee Round 3 – Limerick v Kerry, 7:00pm January 17th @ Mick Neville Park Rathkeale I think Kerry played in Leinster in the 80s but could be wrong with that. Definitely be a good step at U20 level as Kerry are going nowhere in the B grade.
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Post by kingdomofciar on Dec 13, 2022 18:45:25 GMT
Clanmaurice were in hard luck loosing out after double extra time in the All-Ireland Intermediate camogie semi-final. Winning Munster was a great achievement and hopefully next year they can go on and win the All Ireland.
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Post by mossie on Dec 13, 2022 21:07:02 GMT
Hurlingman that is actually one of the best moves that Kerry hurling will ever make. While Kerry 20s and minors can usually be competitive for the first half of the Munster championship games the second half usually ends up a 15 or 20 point beating. Kerry would match and beat the Carlow, Kildare & Westmeaths in Leinster and on their day could very well beat a Dublin or Wexford like Kildare have done recently. On a separate note the Munster hurling league fixtures are out Munster Hurling League Group B Round 1 – Kerry v Cork, 7:00pm January 5th 2023 @ Austin Stack Park Tralee Round 3 – Limerick v Kerry, 7:00pm January 17th @ Mick Neville Park Rathkeale I think Kerry played in Leinster in the 80s but could be wrong with that. Definitely be a good step at U20 level as Kerry are going nowhere in the B grade. Kerry played in the Leinster Minor B in the late 1980s, the prize for the winners was a trophy and a place in the Leinster Minor A QF against one of the big guns Kerry did very well in it, some good Kerry senior players came out of them teams like Tony Maunsell Abbeydorney, Brendan O Mahony Crotta O Neills, JP Hickey Crotta O'Neills, Nicholas Roche Ballyheigue who were members of the Kerry senior hurling team that beat Waterford in the Munster senior hurling championship in 1992. Kerry won the B title in 1987, captain was Anthony Gleeson former Kerry senior footballer. He won a minor hurling championship in 1986 with Austin Stacks and was captain of the minor hurlers in 1987 as a result as a dual inter county minor. fine hurler but didnt play after minor
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Post by mossie on Dec 13, 2022 22:00:52 GMT
Seamus Moynihan was selected on the forty the same day if my memory is correct. I dont recall that - detail is a little hazy Liam Walsh named on both teams, Jason Sherlock lining out , the whole double header aspect of it, I do recall Moynihan could easily play on the forty though
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 15, 2022 8:57:44 GMT
I think Kerry played in Leinster in the 80s but could be wrong with that. Definitely be a good step at U20 level as Kerry are going nowhere in the B grade. Kerry played in the Leinster Minor B in the late 1980s, the prize for the winners was a trophy and a place in the Leinster Minor A QF against one of the big guns Kerry did very well in it, some good Kerry senior players came out of them teams like Tony Maunsell Abbeydorney, Brendan O Mahony Crotta O Neills, JP Hickey Crotta O'Neills, Nicholas Roche Ballyheigue who were members of the Kerry senior hurling team that beat Waterford in the Munster senior hurling championship in 1992. Kerry won the B title in 1987, captain was Anthony Gleeson former Kerry senior footballer. He won a minor hurling championship in 1986 with Austin Stacks and was captain of the minor hurlers in 1987 as a result as a dual inter county minor. fine hurler but didnt play after minor Anthony Gleeson must have been one of the unluckiest footballers in Kerry. He always just seemed to miss out on teams that won titles.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 15, 2022 10:36:27 GMT
Timmy Fleming, Morgan Nix, Anthony Gleeson and Connie Murphy are always the ones that spring to mind, a few like Breen, Flaherty, Billy Shea and Sean Burke just about hung in there long enough,
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Post by legendz on Dec 15, 2022 15:56:16 GMT
Kerry minor and U20 will be playing in Leinster from next year. I good move to at least get some competitive games. A positive move alright. They'll get 2 or 3 winnable games and possibly 1 tough game if they advance to a later stage.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 15, 2022 18:48:19 GMT
Timmy Fleming, Morgan Nix, Anthony Gleeson and Connie Murphy are always the ones that spring to mind, a few like Breen, Flaherty, Billy Shea and Sean Burke just about hung in there long enough, Fleming, Murphy and Nix at least won Munster titles. Gleeson even at underage always seemed to just miss out.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 15, 2022 19:15:30 GMT
Was Gleeson not there in 91?
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 16, 2022 9:00:16 GMT
Was Gleeson not there in 91? No. He played in 92 and 95 in Munster finals. Would have been quite young when it finished up.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Dec 16, 2022 9:32:18 GMT
I see the Kerry minor hurlers are in Tier 1 in Leinster championship next year.
Tier 1
Wexford, Kilkenny, Dublin, Kerry, Offaly, Laois, Antrim
Tier 2
Kildare, Carlow, Meath, Derry, Westmeath, Wicklow
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Post by thehermit on Dec 16, 2022 10:10:46 GMT
Can I ask why Leinster GAA has no problem admitting Kerry, as they did with Antrim, but still refuses to allow Galway underage teams to compete. Is it simply we are not a big threat but Galway are?
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 16, 2022 13:45:35 GMT
Can I ask why Leinster GAA has no problem admitting Kerry, as they did with Antrim, but still refuses to allow Galway underage teams to compete. Is it simply we are not a big threat but Galway are? You answered your own question there imo. If I recall correctly when Galway joined the senior Leinster championship Kilkenny were the ones who were in favour of it. The likes of Wexford Offaly etc were against it because it made things harder for them.
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 16, 2022 14:10:54 GMT
Can I ask why Leinster GAA has no problem admitting Kerry, as they did with Antrim, but still refuses to allow Galway underage teams to compete. Is it simply we are not a big threat but Galway are? You answered your own question there imo. If I recall correctly when Galway joined the senior Leinster championship Kilkenny were the ones who were in favour of it. The likes of Wexford Offaly etc were against it because it made things harder for them. It's a pretty lousy carry-on not letting underage lads have games.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 16, 2022 14:26:15 GMT
You answered your own question there imo. If I recall correctly when Galway joined the senior Leinster championship Kilkenny were the ones who were in favour of it. The likes of Wexford Offaly etc were against it because it made things harder for them. It's a pretty lousy carry-on not letting underage lads have games. Imo traditional hurling counties don't want anyone else upsetting them. Everything is done to suit them over the years. How many times was the Div 1 format changed to suit them if one got relegated? Antrim have flat out refused to play relegation play offs in the past. They were also just put into the Joe McDonagh cup when it first started. In recent times it's been all about how terrible it is to see Offaly dropping down and how "hurling needs a strong" Offaly.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Dec 16, 2022 15:00:24 GMT
It's a pretty lousy carry-on not letting underage lads have games. Imo traditional hurling counties don't want anyone else upsetting them. Everything is done to suit them over the years. How many times was the Div 1 format changed to suit them if one got relegated? Antrim have flat out refused to play relegation play offs in the past. They were also just put into the Joe McDonagh cup when it first started. In recent times it's been all about how terrible it is to see Offaly dropping down and how "hurling needs a strong" Offaly. While Offaly had a good minor hurling team last year they will never ever get back to their previous all Ireland winning heights. Never. That was a once in a lifetime team with loads of extremely talented brothers etc. Even this year Naas beat the Offaly senior champions by 12pts in first round of the Leinster SHC club. Kildare will overtake Offaly of that I have no doubt. Westmeath already have overtaken them.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 16, 2022 19:12:04 GMT
Imo traditional hurling counties don't want anyone else upsetting them. Everything is done to suit them over the years. How many times was the Div 1 format changed to suit them if one got relegated? Antrim have flat out refused to play relegation play offs in the past. They were also just put into the Joe McDonagh cup when it first started. In recent times it's been all about how terrible it is to see Offaly dropping down and how "hurling needs a strong" Offaly. While Offaly had a good minor hurling team last year they will never ever get back to their previous all Ireland winning heights. Never. That was a once in a lifetime team with loads of extremely talented brothers etc. Even this year Naas beat the Offaly senior champions by 12pts in first round of the Leinster SHC club. Kildare will overtake Offaly of that I have no doubt. Westmeath already have overtaken them. You could also arrange that Kerry and even Carlow are ahead of them now. In the last 20 odd years most of their most notable results have been losses.
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