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Post by Kerryman 2 on Jul 23, 2018 22:10:38 GMT
Good team Kerryman ... but I suspect that you didn't read the Aidan O'Rourke article. Just read it.. still go with that to be honest.. O’Rourke and Marc O Se on off the ball this morning also think Donnacha Walsh should be playing.. presume this is for his defensive cover and breaking up the play
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Post by derry4sam on Jul 23, 2018 22:19:37 GMT
I’d bring Murphy back in but highly likely Kelly will start again.
Foley a certainty to come back in if available as is Morley. More than likely at 3 and 6 respectively. I’d personally drop Peter Crowley. Gavin Crowley is someone who was flying in early rounds of league and needs to be looked at again. Great drive going forward and he’s not afraid to get stuck into a fella. Kerry need more grit like that.
Moran and Maher will be the pairing against Kildare. Don’t know what you can do here? Weakest line for sure.
I know some posters on here lose it at the suggestion but pushing Paul Murphy up to 10 is worth another go. Well able to track opposition runners from deep, win breaking ball and link play effectively. G Crowley, T Morley and G White are more than capable of holding their own in the half back line.
If Donaghy and Clifford are persisted with then Kerry need to do more to create space and maximise their threat. Give Geaney a free roaming role perhaps?
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Post by Hicser on Jul 23, 2018 22:34:05 GMT
There are so many different views on who should play and where they should play how is EF going to make his decisions after reading this forum? There are 3 players that if they had played to potential we would be already in semis, that is PG, JOD & Jack Barry. What has happened to these guys, it’s hard to explain. We can talk systems and being weak down the middle of the back line but if these 3 players were on song it would be a moot point. I’ve lost all confidence in EF in 2015 and felt he should have gone then. However in his defense the players need to take responsibility for their own form. Or is it EFs fault, maybe he has to get these boys going, maybe they need a POS character to freighter the crap out of them. Maybe we need to get some help in the next 2 weeks? Can someone from the County board come in and suggest something, clearly there is a lot not working, would EF walk?
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Post by timmy on Jul 23, 2018 22:34:45 GMT
My team to play Kildare 1.Brian Kelly 2.Jason Foley 3.Killan Young or Tadgh Morley 4.tom Leo O’Sullivan 5.Paul Murphy 6.Killian Young or Tadgh Morley 7.Gavin White 8.david Moran 9.Jack Barry 10. Sean O’Shea 11.James O’Donoghue 12. Stephen O’Brien 13. David Clifford 14. Kieran donaghy 15. Paul Geaney The Tom O’Sullivan who played on Sunday is not Tom Leo.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 23, 2018 22:35:44 GMT
My team to play Kildare 1.Brian Kelly 2.Jason Foley 3.Killan Young or Tadgh Morley 4.tom Leo O’Sullivan 5.Paul Murphy 6.Killian Young or Tadgh Morley 7.Gavin White 8.david Moran 9.Jack Barry 10. Sean O’Shea 11.James O’Donoghue 12. Stephen O’Brien 13. David Clifford 14. Kieran donaghy 15. Paul Geaney Tom Leo O’Sullivan? I presume you mean the other Tom that was playing yesterday??
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Post by pillar on Jul 23, 2018 22:36:07 GMT
Seen a few on hoganstand saying Clifford’s prowess is affecting Geaney and JOD but IMO I’d disagree as it’s not like clifford is selfish or anything and his decision making is excellent. They might need coaching as a trio but once they start firing and linking together it will be cool. Donoghue isn’t the same animal. He’s like a jockey who’s lost his nerve. Gets to the point where he’s just about to go past his marker or to shoot and he backs down at the last second. Lacking confidence. He’s not the same cheeky, buzzing player. When you play Donaghy at 14, it’s him plus one other. There ain’t room for two lads beside him. We won all Irelands in the past when it was Donaghy plus Gooch. We won in 14 with Donaghy isolated with Geaney. It’s a Donaghy Clifford combo now. The funny thing is people forget how lethal Clifford is in the air. He actually doesn’t need to play off anyone....in time lads will be playing off of him. As regards Donaghy, he’s a great man, he’s not immune to playing poorly but it won’t be from the lack of trying. He keeps teams honest, he gets the most out of his teammates around him. Think a big problem for some of the players is s lack of football.James has played the equivalent of 180 minutes since Christmas.Mark Griffin has only started for his club in a couple of club championships in April and was put on 1 of the country's best forwards.Donncha has no ball kicked in 2018 and neither has Killian .Gavin Crowley was injured in April so his last game was March.How can these players be sharp!!!
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Jul 23, 2018 23:04:40 GMT
Donoghue isn’t the same animal. He’s like a jockey who’s lost his nerve. Gets to the point where he’s just about to go past his marker or to shoot and he backs down at the last second. Lacking confidence. He’s not the same cheeky, buzzing player. When you play Donaghy at 14, it’s him plus one other. There ain’t room for two lads beside him. We won all Irelands in the past when it was Donaghy plus Gooch. We won in 14 with Donaghy isolated with Geaney. It’s a Donaghy Clifford combo now. The funny thing is people forget how lethal Clifford is in the air. He actually doesn’t need to play off anyone....in time lads will be playing off of him. As regards Donaghy, he’s a great man, he’s not immune to playing poorly but it won’t be from the lack of trying. He keeps teams honest, he gets the most out of his teammates around him. Think a big problem for some of the players is s lack of football.James has played the equivalent of 180 minutes since Christmas.Mark Griffin has only started for his club in a couple of club championships in April and was put on 1 of the country's best forwards.Donncha has no ball kicked in 2018 and neither has Killian .Gavin Crowley was injured in April so his last game was March.How can these players be sharp!!! It’s sad to see it but James isn’t the same player. He hasn’t been for sometime. Even at club level. He’s been dropped twice in the last two seasons when it’s clear that the magenent, like all of us are only waiting for it to happen for him. Everyone wants him get back to himself. Geaney is a super player on his day but he wouldn’t touch the form of James Donoghue pre injuries etc. I’m afraid He’s stuck on the bench for the rest of the year too, they’ll go with Star, Clifford, Geaney
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 23, 2018 23:09:16 GMT
Think a big problem for some of the players is s lack of football.James has played the equivalent of 180 minutes since Christmas.Mark Griffin has only started for his club in a couple of club championships in April and was put on 1 of the country's best forwards.Donncha has no ball kicked in 2018 and neither has Killian .Gavin Crowley was injured in April so his last game was March.How can these players be sharp!!! It’s sad to see it but James isn’t the same player. He hasn’t been for sometime. Even at club level. He’s been dropped twice in the last two seasons when it’s clear that the magenent, like all of us are only waiting for it to happen for him. Everyone wants him get back to himself. Geaney is a super player on his day but he wouldn’t touch the form of James Donoghue pre injuries etc. I’m afraid He’s stuck on the bench for the rest of the year too, they’ll go with Star, Clifford, Geaney On their form, PG and JOD are so good, so good, that there isn't really comparing them. To see JOD back in form would being real joy to my life. PG... no doubts about that man.
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Post by taggert on Jul 24, 2018 0:13:48 GMT
If all were fot and fresh, I would try:
Murphy Tom OSullivan Jason Foley Ronan Shanahan Tadhg Morley Gavin Crowley Gavin White David Moran Mark Griffin Paul Murphy Sean O'Shea Stephen O'Brien David Clifford Kieran Donaghy Paul Geaney
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Post by taggert on Jul 24, 2018 0:14:17 GMT
Fit even!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 24, 2018 3:00:43 GMT
Team to Play the Lillie’s
Shane Ryan Jason Foley Killian Young Ronan Shannahan Paul Murphy Peter Crowley Gavan White David Moran Tom O Sullivan Michael Burns Sean o Shea Steven o Brien Star Donaghy David Clifford Paul Geaney
Subs Morley Darren James o Brian Kelly Anthony. Maher Gavin Crowley Begley
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Post by dc84 on Jul 24, 2018 6:36:16 GMT
Are people seriously saying that Young should start at fullback? If flynn gets that red overturned we would put killian on him ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 7:07:11 GMT
Rory beggan had an extraordinary performance with his kickouts. His place kicking was incredible too but I am getting so fed up of watching and waiting for a keeper to take a free. The amount of time beggan took out of game with all the frees is a joke. It also kills the momentum of the game.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 24, 2018 7:21:41 GMT
Brilliant analysis. The best i have read in ages An awful lot of verbiage analysing the symptoms but never tackled the disease.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 24, 2018 7:23:05 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/mike-quirke/time-for-kerry-to-start-thinking-outside-the-box-472985.htmlTime for Kerry to start thinking outside the box Kerry supporters really don’t know if their glass is half full or half empty after the second round of Super 8 games over the weekend. A dramatic Hail Mary kick from James O’Donoghue into a crowded square, a deft Kieran Donaghy touch, and a stunning David Clifford finish rescued a draw for the Kingdom in Clones — and with it their season. The ball left his right foot and somehow found the far corner of the net through a sea of Monaghan legs and arms. It was like a golfer pinging a five-iron through the branches of a big tree blocking his way to the green. You kept waiting for it to ricochet off an overhanging limb. There’s no way it should have got through but Clifford showed incredible composure under the most intense pressure to pick his spot and trust his talent. At the very end of the previous game against Galway in Croke Park, I was sitting in the half-empty lower Hogan Stand with my family as the game ticked towards its inevitable conclusion. Kerry had failed to show up. They were dead on their feet, and some Kerry supporters wanted their pound of flesh for an inept performance. One of those supporters, old enough to know better, left his seat to go down and tell Éamonn Fitzmaurice exactly what he thought of him moments before the final whistle. In a near silent stadium, he gave him a verbal lashing for 30 seconds or more. If he was close enough, I would have told him to sit down and stop embarrassing himself and the rest of the Kerry supporters. I don’t care how frustrating it is, you shouldn’t assume that because you pay for a ticket to a game you then have the right to abuse a guy who is essentially a volunteer. There is a difference between criticism and abuse. The Kerry team and management will get plenty of the former, but don’t deserve the latter. I thought of that guy in his gold Kerry jersey last Sunday: Had he been in Clones his head may very well have exploded. Fitzmaurice and his management group were forced into replacing their entire full-back line due to a combination of injuries and Killian Young’s suspension. A change of goalkeeper before throw-in meant that Kerry started a back four that had very little football played this season and exactly zero competitive minutes as a quartet. While the options were admittedly limited, matching Mark Griffin up against the deadly Conor McManus one-on-one without help from the start was a complete head-scratcher and a terrible call. It reminded me of that line about judging a fish by his ability to climb a tree. Griffin has never been a lock-down defender capable of marking the top inside forwards and blotting them out of a game. That’s not his forte. For me, he’s Michael Darragh Macauley in disguise. The similarities are plentiful: Both are powerful runners and ball carriers who are capable of putting defences under severe pressure by doing what they do best. Macauley wouldn’t be capable of marking McManus and neither is Griffin. But by putting the guy further out the field in the second half, suddenly he became a hugely effective weapon for a team in desperate need of life. He drove Kerry on in the third quarter and, but for his injury, looked to be becoming a central figure in the fightback. Starting him midfield against Kildare would shake things up and give Kerry a very different dimension to their play. They need to try something a little left of centre because at the moment, as hard as they are trying, nothing is clicking. McManus was at his imperious best on Sunday. His movement and score-taking were a joy to witness and Kerry couldn’t find the solutions to the problems he posed all afternoon. But if he was the icing, their keeper Rory Beggan was the cake. His ability to strike a ball off the ground and the elegance of his technique is a beautiful sight. The effortlessness with which he caressed over free kicks from distance was incredible. Bryan Sheehan was the most impressive kicker of the ball I’ve seen in the modern era, certainly in terms of kicking from the big distances. But as great a kicker as he was, he still looked like he was putting a lot of effort to get the ball to the goal. Beggan looks like he’s tickling a balloon with a feather, but the ball takes off as if it has been shot from a cannon. His display, both for scores and from restarts highlighted the stark contrast between Monaghan and Kerry’s ability to use the kick-out effectively. It was a challenge for the visitors to just secure possession as Brian Kelly took time to settle into the first half while Monaghan were using it as an offensive weapon, picking out targets as they made a move into space or by going all the way over the top. It’s a recurring criticism of this Kerry management, that there just doesn’t seem to be a kick-out strategy to get you a few guaranteed possessions when you’re under severe pressure. Strangely (or perhaps, impressively) it was the Kerry newcomers who ensured Monaghan never quite got out of reach. They fought on their backs to hold on for dear life when things looked like they were slipping away from them. Tom O’Sullivan, Gavin White, Sean O’Shea, and 19-year-old Clifford were the ones who stood up and displayed the type of leadership you would have expected from some more established guys. But they weren’t in anyway intimidated or overawed by the bleakness of the situation they found themselves in. They kept plugging away. A tackle and turnover here. A score there. It all added up. Perhaps, their fight and relentlessness got them a result that the quality of their performance scarcely deserved. Certainly, Monaghan will feel hard done by. They had done the work. They kept Donaghy virtually anonymous on the edge of the square and kicked 1-17 into the bargain. And they missed at least another 10 scoreable chances, including a butchering a simple opportunity at the very death. They had Kerry on the edge of the cliff but just couldn’t push them over. After facile wins over Clare and Cork, Kerry have learned more in the past two games that they did in the previous six months. This has been like a run through the qualifiers and slowly but surely, they are discovering more about themselves with each passing game. If Galway take care of business against Monaghan in Salthill in a fortnight (which is no guarantee) and Kerry cover the scoring difference against a Kildare side that will be without their most effective inside forward, they could very well find themselves with a week to prepare to face Dublin in an All-Ireland semi-final. As daunting as that may appear given current form, it is more appealing that the prospect of playing Kildare in a meaningless dead rubber, while Galway and Monaghan did a similar dance in Salthill. Clifford’s goal not only sustained Kerry’s involvement in the Championship, it sustained the competition itself and kept the Super 8s living and breathing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Glad to see Mike Quirke thinks along similar lines as some of us with regard Mark Griffin. Mark has a lot to offer Kerry, if we know how to exploit his attributes. Someone scoffed at the notion on this forum when I suggested Mark as a genuine midfield option and a Michael Darragh like figure but I would respond and suggest have an open mind and nothing ventured, nothing gained. I also wonder when the position of Kerry manager does become available again at some future date could Mike Quirke be a further name to consider?
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 24, 2018 8:24:48 GMT
A dramatic Hail Mary kick from James O’Donoghue into a crowded square, a deft Kieran Donaghy touch, and a stunning David Clifford finish rescued a draw for the Kingdom in Clones — and with it their season.
The ball left his right foot and somehow found the far corner of the net through a sea of Monaghan legs and arms. It was like a golfer pinging a five-iron through the branches of a big tree blocking his way to the green. You kept waiting for it to ricochet off an overhanging limb. Its not that long ago that a dramatic last minute penalty against Sligo in ASP kept Kerry's season alive - in sport staying alive is all it takes up to the final.... And Yes I do believe the lack of game time for so many of our squad as they were wrapped up in cotton wool all year could come back to bite us and may in part account for their lack of sharpness. Three Super 8 games may help with that. We live in hope.............
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Post by dc84 on Jul 24, 2018 8:33:52 GMT
Totally agree with mike here and furthermore i would play Griffin moran as the midfield and also maher/barry as a thrid midfielder against kildare. If we get parity here we will win this game. Griffins direct runs will cause anyone trouble the key here is for someone to go with him ie at least one of the faster players white murphy tom sullivan or obrien as he isnt the most gifted when he hits traffic running in waves having moran and barry act as cover when needs be this is what all the other top teams do. I have great time for griffin he goves us speed and massive physicallity but a tight marking fullback he is not i would name him at wf with geaney/star/clifford/obrien alternating as wf leaving two inside switching constantly we need to be more fliud upfront keep them guessing like tipp hurlers in 2010. Ie one minute its the twin towers of star and clifford next ball its the speed of obrien and the guile of Geaney. Donaghy is a great lightening rod for abuse and gives great leadership to the forwards he has to start.
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Post by piggott on Jul 24, 2018 9:03:01 GMT
Rory beggan had an extraordinary performance with his kickouts. His place kicking was incredible too but I am getting so fed up of watching and waiting for a keeper to take a free. The amount of time beggan took out of game with all the frees is a joke. It also kills the momentum of the game. Thought refs are supposed to add 30 secs for every time goalkeeper takes a free, just as they add 20 secs for each substitute. Maybe Deegan did and that is how we got 5 mins on Sunday.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2018 9:28:10 GMT
There has been no effort made at all to harness Griffins hard running ability for the greater good of the team.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 24, 2018 9:39:17 GMT
Mike Quirke writes about a fan taking out his frustration and in the next point in his article writes about the head scratching decision to play MG on McManus one on one inside. There has been lots of head scratching in fairness...........
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Post by john4 on Jul 24, 2018 9:45:55 GMT
Rory beggan had an extraordinary performance with his kickouts. His place kicking was incredible too but I am getting so fed up of watching and waiting for a keeper to take a free. The amount of time beggan took out of game with all the frees is a joke. It also kills the momentum of the game. He's a super goalkeeper, he stood out as well in the league match against Dublin that they won, his kickouts that day were bullets. But anyone in his position, as goalie, with his team ahead on the scoreboard is in a position to dictate the pace of things. We just can't put ourselves in a position of dominance on the scoreboard so we can dictate how the game is played and frustrate the opposition. Out of the last 2 games, I'd say we've been in the lead for a total of no more than 5 minutes, early in the Galway game. Once you're on the back foot you're not in control anymore.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2018 10:29:49 GMT
Brilliant analysis. The best i have read in ages An awful lot of verbiage analysing the symptoms but never tackled the disease. I would be interested in understanding what you mean. Could you expand
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2018 10:47:40 GMT
Brilliant analysis. The best i have read in ages Interesting piece. It pretty much rubbishes the way a lot of people on this forum want Kerry to play. I have posed this question before: what has Kerry ever come up with from an innovation and tactical angle that was new. We just try to play the game in the same way it was meant to be played it seems to me and try to reach to others tactical nous. Thats fine when we have more "better players" than opponents. Buts thats not the case now. It may not be the case for a long time if ever now that Dublin has put scructures in place to realise its vast potential. So Kerry may have to try to win all irelands in the future by dent of nullifying the opposition strengths rather than simply being a better team..... as was often the case previously. Monaghan have a third of our population and a small pick. Yet the game was played on their terms and to their strengths....their strengths being Beggan and McManus mainly. This time last year Galway were worse and more disorganised that we are now. They brought in someone with tactical nous from outside Tyrone. Mayo did likewise ...lots of outsiders with new ideas and fresh thinking. The article above shows how far others think about the game. Would Kerry be too proud to bring in an outside Manager?
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Post by glengael on Jul 24, 2018 10:59:07 GMT
Rory beggan had an extraordinary performance with his kickouts. His place kicking was incredible too but I am getting so fed up of watching and waiting for a keeper to take a free. The amount of time beggan took out of game with all the frees is a joke. It also kills the momentum of the game. He's a super goalkeeper, he stood out as well in the league match against Dublin that they won, his kickouts that day were bullets. But anyone in his position, as goalie, with his team ahead on the scoreboard is in a position to dictate the pace of things. We just can't put ourselves in a position of dominance on the scoreboard so we can dictate how the game is played and frustrate the opposition. Out of the last 2 games, I'd say we've been in the lead for a total of no more than 5 minutes, early in the Galway game. Once you're on the back foot you're not in control anymore. Excellent point. Once you're ahead you can dictate the pace of so many things. Monaghan made sure they were in that place with the early goal. Reminded me a bit of what Crokes used to do to newcomer teams in Co.Finals. Get the early goal and give them at least a 3 point lead to chase for the rest of the game, which they can then play on their own terms. We can be grateful that Monaghan only had 3 points on us by the end so the goal made a difference.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 24, 2018 11:06:40 GMT
Haven’t had a chance to watch the game back only the Sunday Game highlights so only going on what I saw in clones really. Where do you start with a game like that? I suppose the best place to start is the end.
What a sublime piece of skill by Clifford to tuck the ball away in the far corner through that forest of bodies. His weaker right leg with the season on the line; what temperament he has. And it was severely tested all throughout the match. It was probably the only half decent ball that went in to Kieran Donaghy during the match.
The change of goalkeeper was a crazy decision in my eyes. The problem with the kick outs is not the goal keeper it’s the movement outside. Ryan has a better kick of the ball and is more accurate. That said Kelly did well especially in the second half once we upped our work rate around the field.
Tom O’Sullivan was one of our best players and the biggest compliment I can pay him is that he reminds me a bit of Marc O Se with the dash he cuts up the field but, he can also do his primary job to great effect.
Mark Griffin was hung out to dry by the management. He has or never will be the first cousin of a full back. Letting him 1 v 1 versus one of the top marksmen in the game was only ever going to end one way. That said when he knows he is not the best defender in the world it might have been an idea for Mark to stay goalside sore often that trying to read the ball in. After saying all that he provided us with real impetus in the second half when moved to centre back. He also played very well against Mayo in 2014 when he came on there in the replay. So he seems to play very well in a position that is probably tailor made for his strengths. But, management probably know best.
If I am right was last Sunday Ronan Shannhan’s belated bow in championship action? And what a cauldron to be thrown into. I thought he did very well and was largely anonymous for periods which is no bad thing for a corner back. I thought he did OK on McManus when he was moved over. He got wrongly penalised for a push in the back in the second half. The supply of ball in to McManus had dried up somewhat in the second half but, I would start him again in the next match.
Paul Murphy had a quiet game by his standards but, came into the game when we needed it. I think he is beginning to struggle somewhat as teams are beginning to target his lack of height for both cross field kicks and kick outs. Never really got into his stride to be honest.
Peter Crowley was everywhere but nowhere at the same time. Was trying to drop back to cover the full back line at times in the first half but, it just didn’t work. Was prominent towards the and was composed in possession. Was trying to cajole the younger lads all through.
Gavin White had a great game. Might have over ran possession a few times but, when thhe game was in the melting pot he really got stuck in. Carried the all to great effect and caught one great kick out as well.
The midfield pairing were a disaster if I’m to be honest. Jack Barry looks to be going backwards if anything. Can’t impose himself at all on the game and looks more awkward now when on the ball than anything else. What can I say about David Moran that I haven’t already said? He is living off the memory of 2014. If anything he tries to do too much. Always have preferred Anthony Maher. He mightn’t do anything flash but, he does the basics very well and always retains possession and gives sympathetic ball to the forwards. The last ‘Hollywood’ shot by Moran put, the tin hat on it when there were men free outside him. We really need to think about our midfield for the next day. D Walsh anyone? He was always a good passer of the ball and has the engine if not the pace. Just combination just doesn’t seem to work. Maybe we need to put, a runner in there and forget about the fielding aspect or not make it our primary concern.
Our half forward line just looks imbalanced to me. Kevin McCarthy tried hard but, the game seemed to pass him by. Its hard to know what to do with him. He is kind of a bit of everything in a forward, but is neither a corner of wing forward but, a hybrid of both.
Sean O’Shea and his free taking kept us in touch in the first half. Does well when on the ball as well. Doesn’t possesses the same speed as the other young lads that have come in this year but, is no slouch by any means.
Stephen O’Brien did well in broken play and had his hands full tracking the runs all day. Didn’t solo into as many blind alleys as normal and looked to move the ball on when he got it. Show balls to take on the free that he did. I know it suited a right footed kicker but, it was a score that we needed at the time and he planted it.
Clifford was majestic and has one of the sweetest strikes of a ball from the hand I have ever seen. His point from the sideline near the end was glorious. He seems to put no effort into actually kicking the ball. He got enough of treatment off the ball but, was well able to mind himself. His dummy run for the goal and actual finish belied his tender years.
Kieran Donaghy while having a massive impact on the outcome of the game was some what peripheral as well. There was no ball played into him at all really. I presume his job was to come out midfield to lend a hand as needed and he did this but, we didn’t really use him going forward at all. He was the only one to try and upset Beggan by being in his eyeline and moving about during his kicks in the second half. Great tap down to Clifford for the equalizer.
What do we do with Paul Geaney? People have being moaning about O’Donoghue but, I think that has taken away from the massive drop in Geaney’s performance over the last 2 games. We really have a full forward line that has been flying on 1 wing in the super 8’s.
Burns brought a great imapct off the bench, Kicked a wide or two but, quickened the pace of the game. Maher made a difference around the middle. O’Beaghlaoich did well on his introduction. Darran was poor again when introduced and offers nothing at this stage coming off the bench.
JO’D gave a great ball in KD (the first one he got all day). Was right to recycle the ball near the end. I think he is suffering from a lack of confidence by not playing football for close to a few years. I think with a full year under his belt in the league he would be a different player. Ideally he would be playing county league games etc and getting the scores up to help his confidence. Kicking 4/5 points in a few county league games would do more for his ability and self belief than training in Fitzgerald stadium I think. There is still a good player in there somewhere.
Let’s start with what the management got right.
Ronan Shanahan did well. Tom O’Sullivan did very well as well. Moving Mark Griffin to centre back helped us gain a foothold in the middle third. Bringing Maher on was the right call as well.
Whatever good they did was easily outweighed by what they got wrong. Leaving Griffin in at full back one and one surrounded by space was kamikaze like. Watching us being cleaned out a midfield for so long and doing nothing about it. Totally ignoring the ‘Donaghy’ option on the edge of the square. Bringing on Darran when he hasn’t performed all year. And the worst of all was bringing Paul Geaney back on. Might have well have called BJK over from the stand and said ‘F*ck You’ to his face. What must the other squad members think? He prattles on about it being a squad game and I saw on the Sunday game he made mention of the lads on the extended panel that made the trip. Sure what is the point and how would you motivate yourself for training after that
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 24, 2018 11:06:58 GMT
Interesting piece. It pretty much rubbishes the way a lot of people on this forum want Kerry to play. I have posed this question before: what has Kerry ever come up with from an innovation and tactical angle that was new. We just try to play the game in the same way it was meant to be played it seems to me and try to reach to others tactical nous. Thats fine when we have more "better players" than opponents. Buts thats not the case now. It may not be the case for a long time if ever now that Dublin has put scructures in place to realise its vast potential. So Kerry may have to try to win all irelands in the future by dent of nullifying the opposition strengths rather than simply being a better team..... as was often the case previously. Monaghan have a third of our population and a small pick. Yet the game was played on their terms and to their strengths....their strengths being Beggan and McManus mainly. This time last year Galway were worse and more disorganised that we are now. They brought in someone with tactical nous from outside Tyrone. Mayo did likewise ...lots of outsiders with new ideas and fresh thinking. The article above shows how far others think about the game. Would Kerry be too proud to bring in an outside Manager? Or bring back a Kerryman who has been outside!!!
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Post by buck02 on Jul 24, 2018 11:11:49 GMT
I have never put a fellow down on this forum. I merely started a fact about a game that took place 4 months ago. At least my fact was correct. Griffin did not mark McManus in the second half yesterday so he conceded 1-3 directly to him, not 1-7. Maybe you should attend the Kerry matches you post about before accusing another poster of talking s*ite. the discussion is about jason foley doing a man marking job on him. its irrelevant who was marking him at what stages yesterday. the fact is, he was directly responsible for kicking 1-7 and set up 2 other scores. being petty about who was marking him, is just sh*te talk as is bringing up a game from the league several months ago. if you want a barometer, judge jason foley on this championship performances. and i was in attendance yesterday, theres another fact for you. Your first game of the year was it?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 24, 2018 11:28:37 GMT
Haven’t had a chance to watch the game back only the Sunday Game highlights so only going on what I saw in clones really. The midfield pairing were a disaster if I’m to be honest.Watching us being cleaned out a midfield for so long and doing nothing about it. You might rethink your view about midfield after watching the full match again. Beggan kept his kickouts away fron Kerrys midfielders to a large entent. Moran and Barry caught a few of Kerrys kickouts but it was the lack of breaking ball winners that was the issue i think. Darragh oSe was never expected to jump for a high ball and win breaking ball too. Moran was shocking at the finish with that hail mary...i agree on that.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Jul 24, 2018 11:43:35 GMT
Haven’t had a chance to watch the game back only the Sunday Game highlights so only going on what I saw in clones really. Where do you start with a game like that? I suppose the best place to start is the end. What a sublime piece of skill by Clifford to tuck the ball away in the far corner through that forest of bodies. His weaker right leg with the season on the line; what temperament he has. And it was severely tested all throughout the match. It was probably the only half decent ball that went in to Kieran Donaghy during the match. The change of goalkeeper was a crazy decision in my eyes. The problem with the kick outs is not the goal keeper it’s the movement outside. Ryan has a better kick of the ball and is more accurate. That said Kelly did well especially in the second half once we upped our work rate around the field. Tom O’Sullivan was one of our best players and the biggest compliment I can pay him is that he reminds me a bit of Marc O Se with the dash he cuts up the field but, he can also do his primary job to great effect. Mark Griffin was hung out to dry by the management. He has or never will be the first cousin of a full back. Letting him 1 v 1 versus one of the top marksmen in the game was only ever going to end one way. That said when he knows he is not the best defender in the world it might have been an idea for Mark to stay goalside sore often that trying to read the ball in. After saying all that he provided us with real impetus in the second half when moved to centre back. He also played very well against Mayo in 2014 when he came on there in the replay. So he seems to play very well in a position that is probably tailor made for his strengths. But, management probably know best. If I am right was last Sunday Ronan Shannhan’s belated bow in championship action? And what a cauldron to be thrown into. I thought he did very well and was largely anonymous for periods which is no bad thing for a corner back. I thought he did OK on McManus when he was moved over. He got wrongly penalised for a push in the back in the second half. The supply of ball in to McManus had dried up somewhat in the second half but, I would start him again in the next match. Paul Murphy had a quiet game by his standards but, came into the game when we needed it. I think he is beginning to struggle somewhat as teams are beginning to target his lack of height for both cross field kicks and kick outs. Never really got into his stride to be honest. Peter Crowley was everywhere but nowhere at the same time. Was trying to drop back to cover the full back line at times in the first half but, it just didn’t work. Was prominent towards the and was composed in possession. Was trying to cajole the younger lads all through. Gavin White had a great game. Might have over ran possession a few times but, when thhe game was in the melting pot he really got stuck in. Carried the all to great effect and caught one great kick out as well. The midfield pairing were a disaster if I’m to be honest. Jack Barry looks to be going backwards if anything. Can’t impose himself at all on the game and looks more awkward now when on the ball than anything else. What can I say about David Moran that I haven’t already said? He is living off the memory of 2014. If anything he tries to do too much. Always have preferred Anthony Maher. He mightn’t do anything flash but, he does the basics very well and always retains possession and gives sympathetic ball to the forwards. The last ‘Hollywood’ shot by Moran put, the tin hat on it when there were men free outside him. We really need to think about our midfield for the next day. D Walsh anyone? He was always a good passer of the ball and has the engine if not the pace. Just combination just doesn’t seem to work. Maybe we need to put, a runner in there and forget about the fielding aspect or not make it our primary concern. Our half forward line just looks imbalanced to me. Kevin McCarthy tried hard but, the game seemed to pass him by. Its hard to know what to do with him. He is kind of a bit of everything in a forward, but is neither a corner of wing forward but, a hybrid of both. Sean O’Shea and his free taking kept us in touch in the first half. Does well when on the ball as well. Doesn’t possesses the same speed as the other young lads that have come in this year but, is no slouch by any means. Stephen O’Brien did well in broken play and had his hands full tracking the runs all day. Didn’t solo into as many blind alleys as normal and looked to move the ball on when he got it. Show balls to take on the free that he did. I know it suited a right footed kicker but, it was a score that we needed at the time and he planted it. Clifford was majestic and has one of the sweetest strikes of a ball from the hand I have ever seen. His point from the sideline near the end was glorious. He seems to put no effort into actually kicking the ball. He got enough of treatment off the ball but, was well able to mind himself. His dummy run for the goal and actual finish belied his tender years. Kieran Donaghy while having a massive impact on the outcome of the game was some what peripheral as well. There was no ball played into him at all really. I presume his job was to come out midfield to lend a hand as needed and he did this but, we didn’t really use him going forward at all. He was the only one to try and upset Beggan by being in his eyeline and moving about during his kicks in the second half. Great tap down to Clifford for the equalizer. What do we do with Paul Geaney? People have being moaning about O’Donoghue but, I think that has taken away from the massive drop in Geaney’s performance over the last 2 games. We really have a full forward line that has been flying on 1 wing in the super 8’s. Burns brought a great imapct off the bench, Kicked a wide or two but, quickened the pace of the game. Maher made a difference around the middle. O’Beaghlaoich did well on his introduction. Darran was poor again when introduced and offers nothing at this stage coming off the bench. JO’D gave a great ball in KD (the first one he got all day). Was right to recycle the ball near the end. I think he is suffering from a lack of confidence by not playing football for close to a few years. I think with a full year under his belt in the league he would be a different player. Ideally he would be playing county league games etc and getting the scores up to help his confidence. Kicking 4/5 points in a few county league games would do more for his ability and self belief than training in Fitzgerald stadium I think. There is still a good player in there somewhere. Let’s start with what the management got right. Ronan Shanahan did well. Tom O’Sullivan did very well as well. Moving Mark Griffin to centre back helped us gain a foothold in the middle third. Bringing Maher on was the right call as well. Whatever good they did was easily outweighed by what they got wrong. Leaving Griffin in at full back one and one surrounded by space was kamikaze like. Watching us being cleaned out a midfield for so long and doing nothing about it. Totally ignoring the ‘Donaghy’ option on the edge of the square. Bringing on Darran when he hasn’t performed all year. And the worst of all was bringing Paul Geaney back on. Might have well have called BJK over from the stand and said ‘F*ck You’ to his face. What must the other squad members think? He prattles on about it being a squad game and I saw on the Sunday game he made mention of the lads on the extended panel that made the trip. Sure what is the point and how would you motivate yourself for training after that Excellent analysis of the game. The only thing i would say is that harsh and all that it is on BJK and others Geaney is a better goalscorer and at that stage only a goal would do. I guess that was the logic behind bringing him back on. On a separate point is there an issue with Kerry and injuries compared to the other top teams? They seem to really struggle to keep their top 15-20 players fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 12:00:17 GMT
I would assume the logic of Geaney coming back on was that he is a bigger threat in the air and would need more minding under a high ball than bjk.
At that stage we needed a goal.
I am not sure I accept the logic but that is the most logical explanation I can think of.
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