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Post by clarinman on Mar 25, 2018 18:04:32 GMT
A few initial thoughts - interesting to see us try something different on kick outs. Tyrone did eventually negate it but it is something to improve and refine in the coming months with a different keeper - we could not cope with tyrones running game - foley struggled initially but did ok at times - Coffey impressed. While he made mistakes, he showed a real desire that was missing elsewhere - Casey was gassed after 40 minutes but showed good quality - Buckley did some good things but unsurprisingly does not have the instincts of a full forward. I think this was a one off thing - our forwards were very poor in the 2nd half. A number of them did not take their chance to shine. How was Kevin McCarthy today?
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 25, 2018 18:06:48 GMT
Picking out only one detail here How many more 45 does David have to miss before we give the duties to someone else . David is one of our Key players but come on long overdue time to try some else here for these 45. S Going by the Radio commentary Cormac Coffe played well and Killian Spillane landed some good frees Mark Griffin featured a lot Let’s compile all we have learned now over the last few months and come up with a strategy for the championship Just in the door from Omagh. You beat me to it about Moran and long range frees and 45s. It has to stop. Spillane was very good from the dead ball. We were quite good for first 25 minutes. Casey kicked a monster in first half. He doesnt look match fit though. Brian O Beaglaoigh reminds me of the former British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe. Head going from side to side and looks wrecked. But keeps running. Kevin Mc Carthy was ok. Buckley is not the answer at 14. Griffin did ok on the ball and was unlucky to slip when his man got around him. He spent most of the day defending the D. We have no penetration up front...none. Too many turnovers and we still can't tackle. I decided to travel as the alternative was to paint the box room. I should have got the brushes out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 18:09:43 GMT
A few initial thoughts - interesting to see us try something different on kick outs. Tyrone did eventually negate it but it is something to improve and refine in the coming months with a different keeper - we could not cope with tyrones running game - foley struggled initially but did ok at times - Coffey impressed. While he made mistakes, he showed a real desire that was missing elsewhere - Casey was gassed after 40 minutes but showed good quality - Buckley did some good things but unsurprisingly does not have the instincts of a full forward. I think this was a one off thing - our forwards were very poor in the 2nd half. A number of them did not take their chance to shine. How was Kevin McCarthy today? Ok in first half, quiet in second. I am not sure what to make of him
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Post by veteran on Mar 25, 2018 18:27:28 GMT
Did i hear right - has Gary O'Sullivan actually stepped down from commentary with Radio Kerry too after today? I knew Gary had decided to take a step back from presenting weekend support but i thought he was going to continue doing some live match commentary. Gary has been at this a long time and good luck to the man. As Radio Kerry match commentators go, I thought Gary was easily the best of them. I am sorry to hear that . I regard Garry highly as a commentator . Puts great feeling into Kerry games. I share people's exasperation with David Moran's free taking . It is just another example of failing to learn from previous experiences . Demoralising that management keep repeating the same mistakes.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 25, 2018 18:36:17 GMT
Picking out only one detail here How many more 45 does David have to miss before we give the duties to someone else . David is one of our Key players but come on long overdue time to try some else here for these 45. S Going by the Radio commentary Cormac Coffe played well and Killian Spillane landed some good frees Mark Griffin featured a lot Let’s compile all we have learned now over the last few months and come up with a strategy for the championship Just in the door from Omagh. You beat me to it about Moran and long range frees and 45s. It has to stop. Spillane was very good from the dead ball. We were quite good for first 25 minutes. Casey kicked a monster in first half. He doesnt look match fit though. Brian O Beaglaoigh reminds me of the former British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe. Head going from side to side and looks wrecked. But keeps running. Kevin Mc Carthy was ok. Buckley is not the answer at 14. Griffin did ok on the ball and was unlucky to slip when his man got around him. He spent most of the day defending the D. We have no penetration up front...none. Too many turnovers and we still can't tackle. I decided to travel as the alternative was to paint the box room. I should have got the brushes out. Some interesting thoughts there i wouldnt be that worried about the forwards considering who is to come back,JOD,geaney,clifford,SOS its for me those 4 plus two others ie two from Burns,casey,SOB,buckley,mccarthy,BJK,spillane×2 and maybe Donaghy,Darren,donnacha and m.geaney.decent options but not excactly frightening. For me i think we need to play a thrid midfielder someone more mobile than Barry and Moran
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 18:36:51 GMT
Who else could take long range frees today?
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 25, 2018 18:46:03 GMT
Who else could take long range frees today? And score them?
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 25, 2018 18:54:03 GMT
Well I hope management learned a lot from today and the preceding six games but it's been a rough ride for the faithful followers on the stands and the terraces. Today Cormac Coffey, Daithi Casey and to a lesser extent Tadhg Morley and Killian Spillane stood out but there really wasn't much to shout about. Despite winning Tyrone were the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. How they managed to bungle the penalty is beyond me and if that and the other goal chances had landed we were heading for humiliation. On this form I don't think either of us will bother the likes of Dublin.
But onwards and hopefully upwards. This League is best forgotten. Now for the summer.
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 25, 2018 19:00:44 GMT
Who else could take long range frees today? And score them? Probably no one today. Sean O'Shea and perhaps Shane Murphy who did score against Kildare will be options for the Championship. But this is nothing new. We had the same issues when Bryan Sheehan was off the field. Haven't we said countless times that the ball should be dropped short in these circumstances?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 19:00:47 GMT
Well I hope management learned a lot from today and the preceding six games but it's been a rough ride for the faithful followers on the stands and the terraces. Today Cormac Coffey, Daithi Casey and to a lesser extent Tadhg Morley and Killian Spillane stood out but there really wasn't much to shout about. Despite winning Tyrone were the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. How they managed to bungle the penalty is beyond me and if that and the other goal chances had landed we were heading for humiliation. On this form I don't think either of us will bother the likes of Dublin. But onwards and hopefully upwards. This League is best forgotten. Now for the summer. What impressed you about Killian Spillane today?
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 25, 2018 19:05:56 GMT
Well I hope management learned a lot from today and the preceding six games but it's been a rough ride for the faithful followers on the stands and the terraces. Today Cormac Coffey, Daithi Casey and to a lesser extent Tadhg Morley and Killian Spillane stood out but there really wasn't much to shout about. Despite winning Tyrone were the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. How they managed to bungle the penalty is beyond me and if that and the other goal chances had landed we were heading for humiliation. On this form I don't think either of us will bother the likes of Dublin. But onwards and hopefully upwards. This League is best forgotten. Now for the summer. What impressed you about Killian Spillane today? I thought he showed well for the ball and took his admittedly easy frees with a sense of confidence. Though nothing much came of it he looked a threat when on the ball. Not a lot to go on I know but promising for a player who hasn't got a lot of game time to date.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 19:13:59 GMT
What impressed you about Killian Spillane today? I thought he showed well for the ball and took his admittedly easy frees with a sense of confidence. Though nothing much came of it he looked a threat when on the ball. Not a lot to go on I know but promising for a player who hasn't got a lot of game time to date. Thanks. He didn't impress me to be honest albeit it would be tough to shine in these circumstances.
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Post by decondd2 on Mar 25, 2018 19:19:48 GMT
- Kelly's kickouts were good for 30 minutes, but as soon as we were gassed outfield then the runs slowed down and the kickouts were going astray.
- Foley and Coffey impressed in the backline.
-Tom O'Sullivan and B O'B seemed quiet enough but their men didn't do much either.
- Griffin didn't know how to play the sweeper role and was far too deep at times giving Peter Harte loads of space. Then rushed out kind of recklessly at times.
- Mikey Geaney wasn't terrible for once. Was withdrawn at HT to go Man-to-Man in defence, as Griffin was struggling. Loads of fouls though.
- Midfield was kind of bypassed. Moran and Barry had some nice flashes, but struggled to track Tyrone's midfielders who scored well today.
- Burns and Casey ran out of steam in the run up to half time especially Burns. Casey was unlucky to miss two second half efforts.
- McCarthy ran well all game. Broke tackles in the first half but struggled to get that extra burst in the second half.
- Killian Spillane and Johnny Buckley struggled to get in the game. A few good balls broke off them. The quality of ball in in the second half was pretty poor to be fair to them. Buckley didn't know how to play full forward effectively. Spillane was very good from frees.
- O'Brien looked very dangerous whenever he got the ball. He tracked back well all game and was dangerous in attack, slipping tackles and running direct at goal. A guaranteed starter for championship, whether in the corner or on the wing IMO.
- Subs didn't really impact the game much. Brendan O'Sullivan is done for the year, perhaps for good. Has the size and speed, but not the mobility or football brain at this level IMO. Eanna has a chance to make the 26. Greg Horan and Matthew Flaherty got run outs, but I doubt we will see them again until next years league. Tadhg Morley had his first game back and looked ok.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 19:24:36 GMT
Good summary, would nearly agree with all of that.
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Post by oldschool on Mar 25, 2018 19:30:26 GMT
Just 2 points on today's game (1 Kick outs improved but remember success here depends as much on player movement as the keeper. (2 Any chance we could get a coach to explain, practice tackle. What is permitted. Its heartbreaking to watch scorable frees being given away.
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Post by veteran on Mar 25, 2018 19:39:26 GMT
Thanks for that summary Decondd2.
About our inability to convert long range frees, the obvious ploy then is to take a short one. Even take kick it backwards . We are masters at that!
It seems once more we were conceding baby frees. Like the frees, no apparent effort at rectifying that deficit. What do we spend our time at in those training sessions.
On a different game, I saw most of the Mayo v Donegal match. I will never know how Mayo pulled off the draw. They are as blunt as ever up front.
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Post by keane on Mar 25, 2018 20:42:36 GMT
People mentioning we did something a bit different from kick outs today? Anyone give a bit more of a description of what we tried to do out of interest?
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Post by decondd2 on Mar 25, 2018 21:06:31 GMT
People mentioning we did something a bit different from kick outs today? Anyone give a bit more of a description of what we tried to do out of interest? Kickouts weren't quick or anything,but we had good movement and kicked to the wings to Geaney, Griffin and BO'B well. First sign that we were getting tired was when Kelly had a good kick out to the wing go over the sideline because BO'B couldn't get his legs there quick enough. That led to us giving up 4 points in a row (2 directly from kickouts). We rarely went to a 50/50 around the middle. When we did it varied a lot. Some nice tap downs from Moran and Barry but Tyrone also won a good few breaks on the rare occasions the ball came out around the middle. There was definitely a coherant strategy. It'll most likely look a lot better once we are fitter out the field. Sometimes we forget that kickouts aren't all on the goalkeeper. Cluxton is a great goalkeeper but the movement of his outfield players makes his job a bit easier as well.
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Post by Joxer on Mar 25, 2018 21:36:05 GMT
Kelly’s inability to respond in a timely way to the movement which was clearly planned was the biggest issue with the kickouts imo. So yes, I would say it was principally the goalkeepers fault in this case. Diddering and delaying on every kickout is just not a winning strategy. Shane is simply a better keeper in my view and will be # 1 for the summer
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 21:38:20 GMT
A number of times in the first half 5 or 6 Kerry players were stood in the middle of pitch 30 or 40 yards out very close to each other. Then in a coordinated manner as Kelly went to take the kickout they sprinted in various directions to the wings. It worked for a while but Tyrone cottoned on to this and were able to negate.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 25, 2018 21:51:43 GMT
People mentioning we did something a bit different from kick outs today? Anyone give a bit more of a description of what we tried to do out of interest? Kickouts weren't quick or anything,but we had good movement and kicked to the wings to Geaney, Griffin and BO'B well. First sign that we were getting tired was when Kelly had a good kick out to the wing go over the sideline because BO'B couldn't get his legs there quick enough. That led to us giving up 4 points in a row (2 directly from kickouts). We rarely went to a 50/50 around the middle. When we did it varied a lot. Some nice tap downs from Moran and Barry but Tyrone also won a good few breaks on the rare occasions the ball came out around the middle. There was definitely a coherant strategy. It'll most likely look a lot better once we are fitter out the field. Sometimes we forget that kickouts aren't all on the goalkeeper. Cluxton is a great goalkeeper but the movement of his outfield players makes his job a bit easier as well. BO'B seemed to completely misjudge the flight of the ball. Looked very poor and was right in front of where I was standing.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 25, 2018 22:07:27 GMT
Kerry might be doing the heavy training at the moment whereas Tyrone might have it done already given they have Monaghan coming down the tracks in mid May. This is just speculation on my part.
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Post by decondd2 on Mar 25, 2018 22:23:17 GMT
Kerry might be doing the heavy training at the moment whereas Tyrone might have it done already given they have Monaghan coming down the tracks in mid May. This is just speculation on my part. Both looked leggy to be fair. Both well off championship pitch.
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Post by keane on Mar 25, 2018 23:08:49 GMT
Thanks for the details folks.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2018 13:42:53 GMT
We at least have a plan for kickouts today....but with a goalkeeper who constantly ditters and unable to implement. Low confidence or insufficient ability I don’t know but frustrating to watch. Outfield players getting frustrated with him also. Not surprised by that, it is not in his makeup to restart off the cuff.
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Post by MeathExile on Mar 26, 2018 15:18:18 GMT
A number of times in the first half 5 or 6 Kerry players were stood in the middle of pitch 30 or 40 yards out very close to each other. Then in a coordinated manner as Kelly went to take the kickout they sprinted in various directions to the wings. It worked for a while but Tyrone cottoned on to this and were able to negate. This is exactly the tactic that Monaghan used on us - worked for all of first half on us.
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Post by Joxer on Mar 26, 2018 17:53:51 GMT
We at least have a plan for kickouts today....but with a goalkeeper who constantly ditters and unable to implement. Low confidence or insufficient ability I don’t know but frustrating to watch. Outfield players getting frustrated with him also. Not surprised by that, it is not in his makeup to restart off the cuff. You're right KG, its not in his make-up and its a real negative I believe. You can have all the movement out field you like but if the goal keeper is confused by movement and can only hit a static target, then kickout 'strategies' are junior infant level. Our restart was pedestrian at best yesterday and its simply not good enough. He's a good shot stopper but not much more than that. On the evidence of the league, Shane Murphy brings a lot more. Shane Ryan would also I believe but that's another story.
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 26, 2018 22:27:33 GMT
Wasn't at the game but many mentions of Kerry running out of steam. Even more convinced than ever that Kerry have done very little heavy work. The league games seem to have been a series of challenge games with players being tried out. Super 8's are a long way off. Makes sense to hold off until after league if you can afford to.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Mar 26, 2018 23:31:46 GMT
Good enough first half. Some great points scored by a wide range of players. Good runs were been made and Tyrone danger men were being kept quite. We did concede quite a bit of possession in the last 10 minutes of the half though.
Second half Tyrone stepped it up, particularly Cathal McShane who was operating further out the field and was not being picked up most of the time.
Some player observations;
Griffin positioned himself in the centre of the D but as somebody mentioned he was caught betwixt and between on a few occasions. He conceded a few frees because he left too much space in front of him for the on running Tyrone lads who attacked it at speed which is difficult to stop legitimately.
Cornac Coffey had a fine game , scored s great point and did a really good job on Peter Harte whilst still managing to make good attacking runs.
McCarthy was full of running all over the pitch and sometimes his runs were not spotted or he was not fed quick ball.
Kelly’s kickouts were fine in the first half especially.
Tom S and Jason did well I thought , less so Begley.
Buckley was understandably rusty and playing in a strange county position but he still managed to score two points.
Jack B should have kicked the ball ovef the bar after a fine run through the middle but he elected to check his run and pass sideways/backwards.
Killian was efficient and tried hard.
O’Brien is our only direct runner and caused big problems for Tyrone although in the second half he was starved of the ball.
David Moran is only half fit....
Buckley could have taken the 45s and scored. Geaney has also scored 45s for us.
Our subs did not make great impact. To be fair Horan and Flaherty did not get much time and Flaherty did score a point.
So all in all not a bad outing with more game time for more players.
My main gripe with the performance is the speed with which we are moving the ball. On several occasions we had the counter attack but the ball was moved to the free player a fraction too late or not at all.
The other gripe is the tackle, we seem to have to work really hard for frees as a result of being tackled , however we make the tackle and invariably we are pinged.
Tyrone scored 8 points from frees ( and they missed a few), we got 4.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 27, 2018 1:25:59 GMT
Good report the posters are consistently coming up with the same observations so it’s plane for all to see the particular areas that need work. Nice to hear good word about Brian Kelly looks like the goal keeper argument continues onwards into the Spring my own take is that neither keeper seems to tick all the boxes presently and that’s why I’d like to take another look at another option such as Shane Ryan Kelly seems to be a better stopper than Murphy and Murphy seems to be a better kicker than Kelly, maybe Ryan has got both traits and thus should be reconsidered.I would not like to into the championship and not be fully confident in my keeper. The best news in Tadgheen report was about Cormac Coffee To subdue Petet Harte and make a significant contribution going forward too is really good news could it be that we have found another Defender if so that’s huge for us along with Gavan Crowley and Ronan Shannahan and Jason Foley great news ! Regarding the 45 debacle exasperating was a word Veteran used believe me he was being kind, maybe it was March Madness But it certainly shows how there is little or no work going into our free kicks and restarts and sideline ball .I previously posted about one of our sideline inbounds going tamely backfield while we were behind late in the Dublin game while Cluxton was 40 yards away from his own goal leaving an empty net. We could have had another Paddy Cullen 1978 goal opportunity but our conservative ‘mind the ball ‘ philosophy is draining any innovation we have We need a root and branch look at all set pieces restarts ,sideline ball 45 s etc these are the controllables Monaghan and Galway have moved ahead of us so we need to really sort things out over the next few weeks. Our leader on the Field is due back after yet another huge winning campaign KD lifts our spirits and strikes fear in all full back lines around the country. Roll on 2018
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