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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 12, 2018 22:34:57 GMT
I don't like the oles, I hate when I hear it. But it's not only Dublin who do it, but of the Dublin support its a small section of clowns on the Hill that usually start it.( although I'll add that the older supporters on the Hill have no time for it) what happens then is teenagers who think it's cool join in. I've watched Dublin lose to many teams over the Years . I've had many opposition supporters gloat and sneer when we lost So I take nothing for granted and know the sick feeling of a bad defeat. I'll make no bones about the fact that I Love When Dublin Beat Kerry and I wanted the margin to be bigger yesterday. (Its not hatred , more payback for all those defeats we suffered at your hands) But there Is no enjoyment in rubbing It In to young lads some just out of Minor. who have trained hard and are doing their best. Was there an element of Dublin supporters laughing at Kerry in the second half yesterday? I was more talking about the oles as we played keep ball in the second half. To tell the truth , where I was watching , early on in the game the General discussion amongst Dubs was that Clifford was a handful , But that quickly changed to admiring Kilkennys Scores in the first half and a bit of relief when we got the first goal. Second half was a bit surreal after the first two points and goal went In. From the roaring and shouting in the first half .In the second half all Dubs around me then just sat back and enjoyed watching some great scores and brilliant interplay coming off the Shoulder . We shouldn't forget this was just a League game. Kerry had an inexperienced team and Dublin were 1/3 win this . So there was no hysteria coming out of the ground .
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 12, 2018 22:42:17 GMT
Wheels turn, clocks tick and time moves on. Our time will come again. Very unlikely to be this year but that day will come. Great teams and golden eras always come to an end. Like empires of old they usually end with crushing defeat. It's about being ready for that day and being utterly ruthless when it happens. I have read similar sentiments over the past few years but what logic is it based on. For the first time since the GAA started, Dublin has organised itself mainly funded by the GAA themselves. Four of the last eight U21s were won by Dublin. One third of all kids under 14 live in Dublin. The army can continue to be replenished indefinitely. The comparison with KK hurling is totally off the mark. No comparison. You talk some scutter. The funding excuse .. But in fairness the most key lines of your posts are the following... Dublin has organised itself. It's the most significant thing you have said in your 9 million posts. Four of the last 8 u21s were won by Dublin. Is this a crime? One third of all kids u14 live in Dublin. Really? Would this have anything to do with the fact that one third of the entire population live in Dublin? Do you suggest we take them out and distribute them evenly among the 32 counties? And send a few to New York and London in the interests of fairness... As I said, you talk some scutter.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 12, 2018 22:50:42 GMT
Was there an element of Dublin supporters laughing at Kerry in the second half yesterday? I was more talking about the oles as we played keep ball in the second half. To tell the truth , where I was watching , early on in the game the General discussion amongst Dubs was that Clifford was a handful , But that quickly changed to admiring Kilkennys Scores in the first half and a bit of relief when we got the first goal. Second half was a bit surreal after the first two points and goal went In. From the roaring and shouting in the first half .In the second half all Dubs around me then just sat back and enjoyed watching some great scores and brilliant interplay coming off the Shoulder . We shouldn't forget this was just a League game. Kerry had an inexperienced team and Dublin were 1/3 win this . So there was no hysteria coming out of the ground . Agree with this panther. No hysteria, may Be satisfaction in telling a young group of footballers you have a bit to go yet. I do think Kerry will emerge as the team to topple the x in a row bid. It's just a matter of when. It's always a matter of when.
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Post by baurtregaum on Mar 12, 2018 23:01:14 GMT
Awesome best describes Dublin yesterday, all the better when you consider the calibre of the players that were missing. Very hard to match their pace and power and when Geaney and O'Sé went off it was game over really. Kilkenny killed us on his own and the whole squad seem to be improving if anything.
For those saying that Dublins dominance will fade away or come to an end should consider that players like Howard, Scully, Carthy, Basquel, P. Small have come in and look like great additions in the past 12 months or so.
SBZ you mention 1982. That 4 in a row team grew old together and there was very little new blood between 78 and 81. The same cannot be said of Dublin right now They have some excellent young players continuously pushing for places. Time will tell I suppose.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 12, 2018 23:50:29 GMT
I have read similar sentiments over the past few years but what logic is it based on. For the first time since the GAA started, Dublin has organised itself mainly funded by the GAA themselves. Four of the last eight U21s were won by Dublin. One third of all kids under 14 live in Dublin. The army can continue to be replenished indefinitely. The comparison with KK hurling is totally off the mark. No comparison. You talk some scutter. The funding excuse .. But in fairness the most key lines of your posts are the following... Dublin has organised itself. It's the most significant thing you have said in your 9 million posts. Four of the last 8 u21s were won by Dublin. Is this a crime? One third of all kids u14 live in Dublin. Really? Would this have anything to do with the fact that one third of the entire population live in Dublin? Do you suggest we take them out and distribute them evenly among the 32 counties? And send a few to New York and London in the interests of fairness... As I said, you talk some scutter. My post was addressed to Kerry folk who havent in my view woken up to the fact that Dublin are never going into decline because the dice is loaded in their favour mainly by the GAA I am not addressing you.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 13, 2018 2:13:16 GMT
Economic factors are certainly an issue between say Dublin and the rest. If you suggest that Killarney as an economic powerhouse is a factor in Crokes' success then condemning them is no part of the solution. I'd more compliment and emulate them. I have long made this point on the economics aspect of the GAA but I was consistently shot down so maybe some lessons are learnt the hard way. As regards the yawning gulf between counties and while it is getting worse the improving economy will slow it down, albeit as growth filters through to rural Ireland. The underlying reasons are external to the GAA but because it suffers so much as the largest voluntary body then maybe it needs to get it's lobbying ducks in order. Otherwise the slide will continue and much of rural Ireland will become a backwater that hardly sees a car on the road from one end of the day to the next. The trend cannot be reversed but it can be minimised. While I don't live there, I'm from Killarney, and I wouldn't say it's an economic powerhouse, maybe relative to most of Kerry. It’s a one industry town and just like the county has little to no diversity in business. To your point about emulating Dr. Drokes, how do you propose a club goes about doing that? That's the same argument being applied to Dublin, 'it's simple just emulate them". The math doesn't work, there's only a finite amount of resources to go around. Indulge for me a moment I will talk football near the end. Ask yourself, how much fun it is for elite to very good footballers in rural parts of Kerry, who have no chance of winning a county championship or anything for that matter. Do you think they might say to hell with this, I'm off to America, Australia, UK, Dublin, take your pick. And I’m sure plenty have. What has Kerry GAA ever done for regular people trying to get jobs in or at least near Kerry? Since Kerry Footballers past and present have the highest profile in their county, where are they on the fact that Kerry is one of the poorest counties in the country and one of the most affected by emigration? I would imagine quite a few on here have a family member extended or otherwise who has emigrated. Where is the college graduate, the computer engineer, the solicitor, the medical student, business degree holders, biotech grads, scientists and others going to get jobs, in a hotel? If you bleed your communities of it’s best, brightest most ambitious, what’s left? Status Qou is what you have left, and if that’s what you have, then that’s usually what a communities overlords want. Think about the spending power, the brain power, the ambition that has been forced to leave Kerry for opportunity elsewhere, we all can’t be Kerry footballers after all. And where did Kerry GAA come for funding for the COE, NYC and other US cities, come back into the fold and empty your pockets. What are hoteliers doing to help diversify business in Kerry, nothing, or create a community for arts and culture, again, nothing, but they will accept that government conference money, or is that hush money?. I feel confident in saying that if mark O Connor was from Dublin he might have stayed there. He would have envisioned a life as a hybrid pro/amateur athlete with plenty of opportunity and notoriety. If Kerry GAA thinks it exists in a vacuum because of Kerry Group (now HQ’d in Dublin) they are wrong! Back to football… I have said in past posts that Fitzmaurice is not up to the job and I’m going to spell it out for you all here. Of the three high profile football coaches in Kerry Football, Peter Keane is described as the coach with the steadiest hand, best communication skills, and a style of play that gets players excited! Jack O Connor has been described as “moody” and Fitzmaurice as “confused”. Take it for what ever it’s worth. On the subject of economics and the GAA we agree, apart from where you may feel I believe 'emulating' is being 'as good as' as opposed to taking what works. I salute Crokes as I do all great teams and of course they haven't always been up there. As regards the economics, people look after themselves where money is concerned and whatever chance there is of charity in say sharing ideas in GAA management, the nature of the human being will sell his mother where money is concerned and believe you me I know, trust me, seen it done, street angels, etc. On the wider and general subject on GAA economics, I generally find that once you scratch the surface with decent GAA folk, we are all of the same mind, and as appears to be the case here. It is that the subject is so confusing that has people get into twists and knots of confusion. The GAA is a great amateur sport and the part it plays in our social well-being is incalculable. I am though worried for the future and Dublin's current supremacy is symptomatic, though I salute them as footballers. As I said, it is external factors at play here - globalisation and the emergence of global cities, urbanisation, etc. Would the population of say Killarney be increasing as South Kerry youth gravitate towards jobs in tourism and support services? Would Killarney account for 75% of South Kerry tourism revenues? I was told that pre Celtic Tiger there was more hotel beds in Killarney that Dublin and I am sure that there would be more 5* hotels there than in any other county - Donegal has but one and I think Galway only got it's first in the past 10 years or so - how many 5* hotels in Killarney? Is it the case that there is a mile of (upmarket) B&Bs on The Muckross Road, didn't the one where Chelsea Clinton stayed sell for a fortune? I say few enough places in the world have what Killarney has and good luck to them, they know how to look after people and so they return. So let's not begrudge anyone, just follow their example.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 13, 2018 2:18:10 GMT
You talk some scutter. The funding excuse .. But in fairness the most key lines of your posts are the following... Dublin has organised itself. It's the most significant thing you have said in your 9 million posts. Four of the last 8 u21s were won by Dublin. Is this a crime? One third of all kids u14 live in Dublin. Really? Would this have anything to do with the fact that one third of the entire population live in Dublin? Do you suggest we take them out and distribute them evenly among the 32 counties? And send a few to New York and London in the interests of fairness... As I said, you talk some scutter. My post was addressed to Kerry folk who havent in my view woken up to the fact that Dublin are never going into decline because the dice is loaded in their favour mainly by the GAA I am not addressing you. The GAA see Dublin as the battle ground with soccer and rugby. They feel they have recovered the less well off areas and they are now targeting the middle classes. I don't mean to use such crude terms but that is what it boils down to, money and numbers! I admire the Dubs for what they have achieved both in hurling and football, and it would be even better for them if rural counties got a boost to level the playing field, pun intended or what! And there is no scutter in that skyblue!
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 13, 2018 9:33:19 GMT
Too much panic on here after a game in March. I saw enough in the first half to be optimisitc enough. I'm no fan of Fitzmaurice but Kerry will be an altogether different proposition come August or September, even for Dublin. While I wouldn't expect Kerry to beat Dublin at that stage either I'd be sure it'd be alot closer than a 12 point margin.
Kerry are capable of reaching an All-Ireland Final. Provided Kildare are beaten Saturday night then the main targets of the League would've been achieved; 4 or 5 players for Championship found and survival in Div 1. Four months of work then until the Super 8s.
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Post by piggott on Mar 13, 2018 9:37:39 GMT
It is too easy to put Dublin's success down to population and investment. They have produced a generation of quality players at the same time, and have a very good manager. Same can be said of Kilkenny 2000-2012, these things go in cycles.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 13, 2018 9:38:14 GMT
A healthy GAA is a competitive GAA - periodic dominance by a talented team is normal and has been the feature of many decades of the GAA. The concerns being expressed by most people centre on the fact that Dublin has emerged not as a team of talent but as a machine of money. The natural advantages that Dublin has by virtue of its location and numbers is being fuelled by large sums of money with a strong perception (supported by data) that too much of this money is coming directly from the association itself. I am not a fan of dividing Dublin to counteract their numerical advantage but something needs to be done to re-balance the equation as prolonged dominance by one team will be detrimental to the overall association. For me this centres on money and a model needs to be developed that will resource others (not free handouts) who are making an effort. Some may pick me up on the team of talent comment - by this I mean the initial emergence probably was a talented team but the constant flow of new players is a function of the financial supports. Through the decades a talented team runs its course and wains but with Dublin there is a strong risk that this will not happen due to the machine that has been assembled. I love the rivalry and don't begrudge any county their glory years - however the prolonged dominance by one team is unhealthy for the association as a whole and needs to be guarded against.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2018 10:51:11 GMT
A healthy GAA is a competitive GAA - periodic dominance by a talented team is normal and has been the feature of many decades of the GAA. The concerns being expressed by most people centre on the fact that Dublin has emerged not as a team of talent but as a machine of money. The natural advantages that Dublin has by virtue of its location and numbers is being fuelled by large sums of money with a strong perception (supported by data) that too much of this money is coming directly from the association itself. I am not a fan of dividing Dublin to counteract their numerical advantage but something needs to be done to re-balance the equation as prolonged dominance by one team will be detrimental to the overall association. For me this centres on money and a model needs to be developed that will resource others (not free handouts) who are making an effort. Some may pick me up on the team of talent comment - by this I mean the initial emergence probably was a talented team but the constant flow of new players is a function of the financial supports. Through the decades a talented team runs its course and wains but with Dublin there is a strong risk that this will not happen due to the machine that has been assembled. I love the rivalry and don't begrudge any county their glory years - however the prolonged dominance by one team is unhealthy for the association as a whole and needs to be guarded against. Great post.
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Post by dc84 on Mar 13, 2018 11:12:25 GMT
+1 for the Dublin posters would ye not agree that if for example last sunday became the norm it would devalue the whole competition? I for one miss Cork being competitive i might be in for abuse here but i take little pleasure in kerry beating cork now.its just a formality much the same as tipp or clare. The next few years could be very grim from a neutrals perspective if dublin turn the all ireland into the leinster champ which is a real possibility. Beating your rivals is the best thing about sport but when your rivals cease to be competitive whats the point?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 13, 2018 11:53:03 GMT
Dublin have won their five All-Irelands by an average of 1.3 points.
They aren't as far ahead as some would have you believe.
I hope the players aren't buying into this defeatism.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2018 12:16:12 GMT
Wheels turn, clocks tick and time moves on. Our time will come again. Very unlikely to be this year but that day will come. Great teams and golden eras always come to an end. Like empires of old they usually end with crushing defeat. It's about being ready for that day and being utterly ruthless when it happens. With respect annancaul, ....the point of the discussion is above.... whether great empires always come to an end.....there seems to be a view that this phase of dublin dominence will pass like Tyrones did for example. This simply wont happen in my view for the reasons of population and money as so elegently put by onlykerry and others.
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Post by Clogher on Mar 13, 2018 13:32:35 GMT
I know a good few did laugh when Clifford pulled up looking injured towards the end of the game. To be fair a few others told them to cop on. I was unlucky enough to have one woman behind us with several young boys. She was jeering Cliffords injury and encouraging the boys to do the same.I did not hear anyone correcting her or telling her to cop on. Her commentary when David Moran came on illustrated how shallow her knowledge of the game was. We had a more balanced discussion with some other Dubs but empty vessels do seem to make much more noise and are much more inclined to jump onto bandwagons. I also thought the crowd booing when Micheal o muircheataigh was on the big screen was a new low - again not everyone there but more than enough to be noticed.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 13, 2018 14:11:47 GMT
I definitely don’t want to get into yet another discussion about money but a couple of things should be said.
In the last 10 years Gaelic games have become popular in areas of Dublin where they were almost unheard of the previous 120 years. I know people who go to games whose parents wouldn't have known there there was an All Ireland. Also on Sunday in Croke Park 2 fellas and a girl in their twenties came in and sat near me in the Hogan Stand. They had Dublin colours. They proceeded to discuss the game in an Eastern Eurpopean language and showed a good understanding of it. So maybe there is more reason for the big spend than winning.
On the other hand there is a percentage of supporters who are jumping on the band wagon. They are not traditional supporters. They have watched cities like Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle represented by teams and there is a certain way in which these teams are supported. They have adopted Dublin as the team they want to support in this way. I have even heard them on the Joe Duffy show saying that if they buy a ticket and go to a game they are free to shout at whoever they want, whenever they want.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 13, 2018 16:36:49 GMT
On the other hand there is a percentage of supporters who are jumping on the band wagon. They are not traditional supporters. They have watched cities like Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle represented by teams and there is a certain way in which these teams are supported. They have adopted Dublin as the team they want to support in this way. I have even heard them on the Joe Duffy show saying that if they buy a ticket and go to a game they are free to shout at whoever they want, whenever they want. Read more: kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/6936/round-dublin-kerry-11-march?page=11#ixzz59e84iediI agree 100% on that point, last year I met 2 sets on people sitting directly behind the Dublin subs bench on All Ireland day who didn't know that was where Dublin subs sat. Any half wit who attends or even watches the matches on TV knows that Dublin always sit on the Hill side. It makes my blood boil that he had such a prime seat and was quite obviously clueless - calls of Come On Dublin and not being able to name any of the players also a dead giveaway. I know a lot of died in the wool supporters who would have given their right arm for the seats they had. I have also noticed that some Dublin fans have become very ungracious, 2011 is not that long ago and they had a long wait for success before that. The booing and taunting of the opposition players and fans in Croke Park and other "soccerisms" are particularly distasteful. I know that most genuine and life long supporters won't engage in that sort of carry on. That's not how I was taught to behave and I don't tolerate it in others, even if they have paid for a seat.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2018 19:29:56 GMT
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Post by veteran on Mar 13, 2018 19:52:32 GMT
I acknowledge the point people are making about Dublin's finances but it must be conceded that the money is clearly being spent wisely. Millions are also being pumped into the health service but with what results? Perhaps, Dublin GAA administrators should take over the governance of the HSE.
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Post by abù on Mar 13, 2018 21:12:25 GMT
Why is Dublin club football not dominating at the momemt?
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 13, 2018 21:21:53 GMT
I thought the analysis on the game by Colm Parkinson and Cian Ward was good. You can listen here too on. soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour(Ciaran Kilkenny's offense, Kerry inexperience & annoying handpass hooks) Admittedly I've harping on about the same point but they noted how Dublin were simply too powerful for Kerry in one on one duels and brushed them aside physically. This was not just targeting our youngsters which Dublin did do but a few of our seasoned and established players are simply lighter smaller men and then it's the law of the jungle. Seeing Shane Enright and Paul Murphy in our defence being easily and physically brushed aside by the physically stronger Dublin forwards said it all for me. It's definitely going to take a couple of years for some of our new defenders to strengthen up and hopefully some bigger and stronger men arrive on the scene.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 13, 2018 22:06:49 GMT
+1 for the Dublin posters would ye not agree that if for example last sunday became the norm it would devalue the whole competition? I for one miss Cork being competitive i might be in for abuse here but i take little pleasure in kerry beating cork now.its just a formality much the same as tipp or clare. The next few years could be very grim from a neutrals perspective if dublin turn the all ireland into the leinster champ which is a real possibility. Beating your rivals is the best thing about sport but when your rivals cease to be competitive whats the point? It's funny , Micko is saying today Dublin arent a great team till they beat a team by ten points, which Kerry were able to do during their dominance. Yet we are currently the ill of everything Gaa by some folk (well mainly Mickmack) because we are consitantly winning in championship and everything is put down to finances. I Spoke to Con and Mick Fitz parents last year. who have a great friendship( the two lads are at the same club) Telling me that after beating Tyrone , Mick was up early next morning doing Exams for Medicine, then that night Jim Gavin had the team swimming in the sea in an area on Dublins Southside . People use the Word Machine and Finances a lot when speaking of Dublin. Off Course Money helps and can Get you so Far. But behind the face of this portrayed Machine Is Dublin Lads involved In Close Knit Club's with huge Coaching and Volunteer work going on. Ballymun have currently 5 guys on the team a result of exDublin Footballer Paddy Christies huge Involvement at underage well before all this talk of sponsorship. He did it because Ballymun was a disadvantaged Area and he wanted to give Something back and get the lads off the Streets. There is a Lot more To this Dublin Team than just Money and numbers. dc84 Your point is valid about one team dominating and a competition losing its appeal because of this. This is a possibility with Dublin at the moment. Cork and Meaths demise is good for no one. Hopefully Galway offer a glimmer. But look a 7/1 shot stopped Kerry doing 5 in a row. As a Kerry supporter you have been able to watch Kerry trounce Teams over the decades in Finals, where games have been over early. But for all our so called dominance we have scraped over the line the last 3 years. If Dublin werent around in the seventies how competitive would that decade have been. Dublin at the Moment look good, But its still only the league . Ill wait till Dublin, Kerry, Mayo meet In Championship to see If we have moved further ahead of the pack.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2018 22:30:27 GMT
+1 for the Dublin posters would ye not agree that if for example last sunday became the norm it would devalue the whole competition? I for one miss Cork being competitive i might be in for abuse here but i take little pleasure in kerry beating cork now.its just a formality much the same as tipp or clare. The next few years could be very grim from a neutrals perspective if dublin turn the all ireland into the leinster champ which is a real possibility. Beating your rivals is the best thing about sport but when your rivals cease to be competitive whats the point? It's funny , Micko is saying today Dublin arent a great team till they beat a team by ten points, which Kerry were able to do during their dominance. Yet we are currently the ill of everything Gaa by some folk (well mainly Mickmack) because we are consitantly winning in championship and everything is put down to finances. I Spoke to Con and Mick Fitz parents last year. who have a great friendship( the two lads are at the same club) Telling me that after beating Tyrone , Mick was up early next morning doing Exams for Medicine, then that night Jim Gavin had the team swimming in the sea in an area on Dublins Southside . People use the Word Machine and Finances a lot when speaking of Dublin. Off Course Money helps and can Get you so Far. But behind the face of this portrayed Machine Is Dublin Lads involved In Close Knit Club's with huge Coaching and Volunteer work going on. Ballymun have currently 5 guys on the team a result of exDublin Footballer Paddy Christies huge Involvement at underage well before all this talk of sponsorship. He did it because Ballymun was a disadvantaged Area and he wanted to give Something back and get the lads off the Streets. There is a Lot more To this Dublin Team than just Money and numbers. dc84 Your point is valid about one team dominating and a competition losing its appeal because of this. This is a possibility with Dublin at the moment. Cork and Meaths demise is good for no one. Hopefully Galway offer a glimmer. But look a 7/1 shot stopped Kerry doing 5 in a row. As a Kerry supporter you have been able to watch Kerry trounce Teams over the decades in Finals, where games have been over early. But for all our so called dominance we have scraped over the line the last 3 years. If Dublin werent around in the seventies how competitive would that decade have been. Dublin at the Moment look good, But its still only the league . Ill wait till Dublin, Kerry, Mayo meet In Championship to see If we have moved further ahead of the pack. Now that the 30m approx since 2007 has done the trick would you agree that the money tap should be turned off in Dublin and spread around between other Counties outside the Pale . Dublin could win fcuk all without the greatest injection of money in GAA history and suddenly the money is irrelevant.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2018 22:43:03 GMT
Just as relevant to the financial doping is the lack of hardcore genuine CONTENDERS to go and take on and beat the Dubs. Nothing from the North, Kerry & Cork in transition and Leinster in free fall.
The other half of Micko's comment is that Dublin have "just beaten Mayo" by a point in All -Ireland finals, the second part of the same comment, to go on and wind an All-Ireland by a large margin.
Of course the sting in the tail could be Kerry getting beaten by a large margin in September by Dublin.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2018 22:48:01 GMT
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 13, 2018 23:13:43 GMT
It's funny , Micko is saying today Dublin arent a great team till they beat a team by ten points, which Kerry were able to do during their dominance. Yet we are currently the ill of everything Gaa by some folk (well mainly Mickmack) because we are consitantly winning in championship and everything is put down to finances. I Spoke to Con and Mick Fitz parents last year. who have a great friendship( the two lads are at the same club) Telling me that after beating Tyrone , Mick was up early next morning doing Exams for Medicine, then that night Jim Gavin had the team swimming in the sea in an area on Dublins Southside . People use the Word Machine and Finances a lot when speaking of Dublin. Off Course Money helps and can Get you so Far. But behind the face of this portrayed Machine Is Dublin Lads involved In Close Knit Club's with huge Coaching and Volunteer work going on. Ballymun have currently 5 guys on the team a result of exDublin Footballer Paddy Christies huge Involvement at underage well before all this talk of sponsorship. He did it because Ballymun was a disadvantaged Area and he wanted to give Something back and get the lads off the Streets. There is a Lot more To this Dublin Team than just Money and numbers. dc84 Your point is valid about one team dominating and a competition losing its appeal because of this. This is a possibility with Dublin at the moment. Cork and Meaths demise is good for no one. Hopefully Galway offer a glimmer. But look a 7/1 shot stopped Kerry doing 5 in a row. As a Kerry supporter you have been able to watch Kerry trounce Teams over the decades in Finals, where games have been over early. But for all our so called dominance we have scraped over the line the last 3 years. If Dublin werent around in the seventies how competitive would that decade have been. Dublin at the Moment look good, But its still only the league . Ill wait till Dublin, Kerry, Mayo meet In Championship to see If we have moved further ahead of the pack. Now that the 30m approx since 2007 has done the trick would you agree that the money tap should be turned off in Dublin and spread around between other Counties outside the Pale . Dublin could win fcuk all without the greatest injection of money in GAA history and suddenly the money is irrelevant. Sure anything that takes the topic of football Mickmack. I'd say if you went on Mastermind your chosen subject would be" Dublin and it Resources" 😉
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2018 23:16:44 GMT
Its your choice if you want to ignore my question to you about whether you agree that the financial doping of Dublin should stop now that it has done its job. Evading the question is fine.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2018 23:19:35 GMT
Just as relevant to the financial doping is the lack of hardcore genuine CONTENDERS to go and take on and beat the Dubs. Nothing from the North, Kerry & Cork in transition and Leinster in free fall. The other half of Micko's comment is that Dublin have "just beaten Mayo" by a point in All -Ireland finals, the second part of the same comment, to go on and wind an All-Ireland by a large margin. Of course the sting in the tail could be Kerry getting beaten by a large margin in September by Dublin. I was thinking the same when i heard that.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2018 23:26:43 GMT
Just as relevant to the financial doping is the lack of hardcore genuine CONTENDERS to go and take on and beat the Dubs. Nothing from the North, Kerry & Cork in transition and Leinster in free fall. The other half of Micko's comment is that Dublin have "just beaten Mayo" by a point in All -Ireland finals, the second part of the same comment, to go on and wind an All-Ireland by a large margin. Of course the sting in the tail could be Kerry getting beaten by a large margin in September by Dublin. I was thinking the same when i heard that. It is a real come back and bite comment all right. Although I'd take Kerry right now being in September's final and take my chances!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 23:38:02 GMT
I was thinking the same when i heard that. It is a real come back and bite comment all right. Although I'd take Kerry right now being in September's final and take my chances! Worse again, it could be the 2019 final.
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