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Post by An Bradán on Mar 17, 2018 0:43:32 GMT
Reports in the gutter press that Diarmuid Connolly has "stepped away" from the Dublin panel. Heard from solid GAA folk in Dublin pre Christmas that his time was up and that he'd be seen in a Dublin jersey playing hurling but not football.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 17, 2018 1:03:14 GMT
Yes. I’m in favour of the distribution of monies in an equitable manner . My point is that this team is not the product of financial doping . You say that this team is not the product of money. You say that they were coming throught anyway before dublin staryed getting the big money. If you are correct, then the disparity between dublin and the rest is going to widen as we go along. Do you agree This time last year I watched Kerry draw with Dublin in Tralee. Kerry were laying down a marker. Could off won but we got the draw. You then went and won the final , I commended you at the time. Things were going to be different we were led to believe. Jack Barry had the measure of Fenton. Last week we met again , so what was different . For all of Dublin's conveyor belt of talent we introduced only two new players Howard and Basquel to the line up compared to the game in Tralee. All the rest were the same bar Johnny Cooper who was missing. Cian didn't start but came on as a sub . Paul Flynn didn't play last week but did in Tralee. Last week Kerry were missing Griffin, Morley,Young and Kealy but introduced Murphy , Clifford, O Shea and Burns. Did finance cause the disparity in these two score lines. Or maybe good tactics , Skill and still having a hunger caused the disparity. To say this dublin team is the product of money is very poor analysing , and that's being kind.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 17, 2018 8:11:08 GMT
Good post, baumtregan. While I do strongly think that financial support, especially in juvenile coaching, needs to be targeted outside the successful counties, I don't accept it as a reason why a financially successful county like Kerry isn't up there. It's a great Dublin team, but we can match them on money. No Kerry team or player that I know of has been left short - and that goes down to development level as well. We are making the complaint about Dublin that the likes of Tipperary and Clare have been making for years now about us. Kerry is not short of money; we are simply competing with a great team. Fair play to them; it galls me, but they have won their All Ireland's fair and square. Kerry are a rich county; so are Cork, Tyrone, Armagh (ironically, Donegal arent), Mayo, Galway.... There are counties who can whinge about poverty. We aren't one of them. As for referees dogging us....I hate whinging. I'm not even dignifying that nonsense with a debate. We have been beaten fairly by a great team. So let's help build a better one instead of making whinging excuses. Dublin are a great team; I admire the likes of Cluxton, Fenton, et al. But we have all the ingredients, including talent and resources, to build a better one. How about we do that instead? How would you like to see financial support targeted outside of the successful counties? Say in the rest of Leinster for example where the game has fallen through the floor. Incidentally, I still consider Kerry to be very much at the top table, both on the field and off.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 17, 2018 8:18:16 GMT
Why is it always brought back to kerry v dublin. Such a narrow focus is amazing to me. It suits agenda and attempts too neuter debate. The GAA isn't just about Kerry and Dublin.
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Post by himself on Mar 17, 2018 13:57:35 GMT
I am in favour of a B championship, and I'd like to see the end of a completely imbalanced provincial structure (I know its not going to happen because of vested interests, sadly). Tighten the fixtures and even them up for counties. Hurling is a lot of the way there already. Get rid of that bloated money-spinner of a round robin quarter-final series. Tighten the championship schedule and free up a proper club schedule. Right now, in every county, the inter-county behemoth sucks in everything and stifles development on the ground. I understand how elite development squads stimulate inter-county success, but I believe they extract a massive price in terms of playing numbers on the ground. I'd like to see GDA's hired out of the GAA's national funds (e65 million in 2017) and answerable to Croke Park, not County Boards. I want them working closely with cumann an mbunscoileanna and cumann na n-iarrbhunscolaire - I thought it was interesting that a Dublin amalgamation beat St. Kierans in the Leinster colleges hurling final - that might be a positive approach. Another would be to encourage every county to have a junior team and make that a development pathway - there's too much emphasis on minors, especially now they are U17. Dublin's transition of players through U21 ranks into senior is a key ingredient of their success - encourage other counties to do something similar through the All Ireland Junior competition, which currently has only a handful of counties taking it seriously. The figure of e270 per head is a bull* figure that doesn't interest me. But the idea that Dublin have only 39,000 registered adult players? In by far the most successful county in recent years? How high is that dropout rate? I know that the dropout rate in Kerry is huge - we have cases now where four clubs have to join together to make up minor teams where once they could all field a team of their own. There are more and more amalgamations at juvenile level. That's not just emigration and decreasing populations in rural areas (although both are huge factors). The fact is that there is a culture of elitism and consequent pressure for players as the game becomes more and more driven by inter-county success - the GAA is losing players to other sports because they are enjoying them more. Most of all, I'd like to see grants and funding invested from the bottom up rather than the top down - i.e. more money targeted at growing the games in weaker counties than rewarding successful ones. I know that would be initially unpopular - why reward failure? My argument is that its the best way to change it. Create stronger clubs with better fixtures programmes and provide expert help (lectures, coaching sessions for coaches, training programmes, talks from financial, nutrition, physio experts etc. - there are more and more college courses on these areas and more and more graduates from them). If the club games at various grades in a weaker county are enjoyable and competitive, then more people will enjoy playing the games (funny how rarely the word 'enjoyment' appears in GAA coaching advice) and the overall standard will rise. Including that of the inter-county team. I think a lot of other counties could benefit from Kerry's structure of divisional teams in the Senior County Championship I think good players with weaker clubs are often overlooked elsewhere. Long-term project, but invest money in it now and I am certain that it will give rich dividends. Right now GAA income is shooting through the roof, but participation is declining. Dublin would be a great team in any era. The reason that they are currently dominating so much (I know the margin of victory has been small, but they have completely outplayed Kerry in most recent meetings - we barely scraped an over-hyped victory in last year's League Final) is because this is most definitely not a great era. There's only a handful of real contenders with them. That's not Dublin's fault, but it is a GAA problem. They need to help other counties raise their standards; these are my suggestions about how to do it.
Not all of that is about finance, but these are the areas where I would like to see the GAA directing their money. It would take five years to show benefits, and I'm not suggesting that everything would suddenly level out, but I do think you'd see more competition and better games.
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Post by yourholiness on Mar 18, 2018 19:18:31 GMT
I’d agree with a great deal of that . I think that counties like Kildare and Meath are underperforming and there has to be a role for Croke Park to facilitate/impose structures that can deliver success . I think Croke Park has to be al lot more decisive and active and demanding of County Boards.
The idea of Gpo/ Gdo being answerable to Croke Park is viable and preferable.
As regards attrition rates in Dublin they are huge. The structure of the club season and the amount of viable alternatives means the drop out rate is huge . At a development meeting for the areas of Dublin 8,10 and 12 it was identified that not one of the clubs in these areas ( 7 in total ) had produced a minor team independently for a period of over 8 years . Two of the biggest clubs in these areas are fielding juvenile teams under an amalgamated umbrella . Both clubs had full time GPO’s but that is no longer financially viable for either .
There are success stories in Dublin GAA but parts of the city are being left behind .
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 18, 2018 19:34:51 GMT
what is the real issue that is likely to develop to which you refer The issue that you believe is fully manifest at the moment. The issue you raise everytime Dublin beat Kerry . Just on this point, in my own defense! I have been banging on about inequitable finding for over 12 years on here, well before Dublin got on top of Kerry. I was saying THE FUTURE IS BLUE. Rashers thought i was winding him up! He was the only Dub on here back then when Kerry were on top. Yourself and the Blue Panther have been very interesting contributors in recent years. I would like to see a return to the 90s in both hurling and football when a rake of counties popped up at various times during that decade. I cant see that happening again sadly.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 19, 2018 14:39:08 GMT
Looking back at the four league games so far the problem everyone is focusing on is our defence - stop for a moment and consider this. The two games we won we scored 2-12 and 1-13 from play - the games we lost we scored 0-6 and 0-5 from play. This game is about outscoring your opponents and yes keeping your opponents score low is an important aspect of this but Kerry has always prided itself on being an attacking team with multiple scoring forwards. It has been what has separated us from the pack who typically rely on one or two attackers. We seem to have lost this in recent years with first JOD and more recently PG our scorers in chief. Within the county Dingle and Crokes have always impressed me by their ability to take scores from 35-40 mt with multiple players who can take a chance when available - last Sunday depressed me mostly due to the lack of ambition by players to try to score and instead run intricate training ground drills over and back the field. Have we lost sight of the objective - scoring more. Not great viewing this but it points up the road Kerry have to travel in relation to turning possession into scores
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 19, 2018 15:51:34 GMT
The issue that you believe is fully manifest at the moment. The issue you raise everytime Dublin beat Kerry . Just on this point, in my own defense! I have been banging on about inequitable finding for over 12 years on here, well before Dublin got on top of Kerry. I was saying THE FUTURE IS BLUE. Rashers thought i was winding him up! He was the only Dub on here back then when Kerry were on top. Yourself and the Blue Panther have been very interesting contributors in recent years. I would like to see a return to the 90s in both hurling and football when a rake of counties popped up at various times during that decade. I cant see that happening again sadly. Neither can I, money is not everything and nothing is everything, but money is the dominant factor, the active ingredient when all is said and done, everything had to be paid for and the ore money a team have the more they can buy and the better they get - a vicious/virtuous circle, depending on how much money you have or haven't got!
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