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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2017 9:18:40 GMT
Very frustrating day. Clearly tactically we handed the initiative to mayo by playing the sweeper. To see Paul Murphy running around the full back line chasing shadows in the first half was depressing. Our half forward line again disappeared. Buckley even though a big man seems to disappear on the big occasion. I don't recall him winning any kick outs. Moran had a disappointing day and failed in the primary task of securing possession in the first half. Hard to take any positives from the game other than at least we did not capitulate. Gough getting a standing ovation from mayo fans at half time says it all about this prima-donna. Can i ask you why you think this was the case. I was on the Hill yesterday and had a birds eye view of how the options available to the Mayo players out the field were seriously reduced by Paul Murphys positioning on the D. Mayo had no option but to power through a win frees and Gough was happy to give the player in possession frees all day long. When Mayo had a kickout Paul went forward enough to ensure theere was no free Mayo man for the short kickout but Clarke still managed to chip a little kick to a Mayo jersey and receive the ball back. In the first half Clarje had 10 kickouts and Mayo got possession from the lot. Kerry had about 16 and Mayo won possession from half of them. In my view the deployment of PM was one of the few things that was good in this game. The problems were elsewhere.... too many players playing poorly or not being allowed to play.... not starting JOD..... If you were to pick a combined team from the two games you would have about 10 Mayo players
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 27, 2017 9:37:14 GMT
The free in front of the goal for jersey contact when the play is elsewhere has to be stopped. It is ruining what is a physical contact game. That's an outrageous statement, turn a blind eye to that and you'll see all the creative players in the game being grappled out the gate. There's no question that it's only certain refs that implement and a lot of the time it's for their own self publicity. Theres cuter ways of doing it than blatantly holding a man, players should have known that's Goughs party piece too. But over all it's ludicrous to suggest that if a lad is being prevented from making a run in the inside line that it should be punished It's not outrageous, these frees for minimal contact are ruining the game.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 27, 2017 9:45:12 GMT
17 Points was good kicking in the circumstances but our scoring return has not really been a big issue this year. Having said that, I don't think we create enough or score enough goals when we do. Banging in the goals is clearly part of Dublin’s DNA and Mayo too deliberately seek the goals as they clearly demonstrated with Kerry. It can definitely be improved by Kerry!
However, Kerry’s real issues are and have been the defence, the defence, the defence, for some time and from the goalkeeper out! Psychologically we’re fragile at the back and when confidence slips then discipline goes too as it did yesterday. It is also true to say we struggled in other lines including midfield yesterday but generally speaking our defence needs urgent repair and more quality added, starting with the introduction of a new goalkeeper and rebuild out from there.
All Kerry supporters are naturally disappointed but this result really is no surprise to the majority of us and indeed it was expected by many, even more so after the drawn game. Look as supporters we always go in hope but in reality we knew things weren’t right. Management tactically tried to fix the issues but the resources were not there and some were not ready yet for the elite level. Then again, if you wrap fellas up in cotton wool they’ll be never be ready for the elite level. You really do reap what you sow. For all the god like genius of the Gooch, the biggest loss to Kerry for this season was the likes of Aidan O’Mahony with a real lack of leadership now at the back.
Many of us have mentioned the merits of Donie Buckley on here before and with good reason! We saw the merits of Donie in action again yesterday, as Mayo have become the best tacklers in the game with their rip and strip in full effect against us. In fairness, Tony McEntee’s handpint is there too because there’s more than a little reminder of the great Armagh team of noughties in Mayo. If Mayo go on and win there All Ireland or even if the don’t, I hope an all out effort is made to bring Donie home, his county needs him. If Éamonn steps aside, I’d love to see Liam Kearns get a shot with his home county and Donie Buckley in his management team.
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Post by ciarraioch1956 on Aug 27, 2017 9:45:38 GMT
Veteran viewer - virgin 'voicer' on this forum. As a Mayo supporter (based in Kerry), must say I'm ashamed of the juvenile posts coming in from some Mayo "supporters" here recently (and not so recently). Anyone following this site knows it's not a forum for throw away comments, stating the obvious, or infantile gibberish. All counties have their trolls (physical and virtual), but it's astonishing when even in victory these idiots can't contain themselves. We all know Mayo have won nothing and as sure as eggs are eggs beidh alan laethanta eile ag muintir gCiarrai. Looking forward to the game tomorrow and the banter on this board with the regular Dublin and Tyrone (and other county) posters. Go raibh maith agaibh go leir.
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 27, 2017 10:03:06 GMT
Mí ádh inné a chairde Beidh an éadóchais inniu mar foinse an athbheochan sa todhchaí .
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 27, 2017 10:04:01 GMT
17 Points was good kicking in the circumstances but our scoring return has not really been a big issue this year. Having said that, I don't think we create enough or score enough goals when we do. Banging in the goals is clearly part of Dublin’s DNA and Mayo too deliberately seek the goals as they clearly demonstrated with Kerry. It can definitely be improved by Kerry! However, Kerry’s real issues are and have been the defence, the defence, the defence, for some time and from the goalkeeper out! Psychologically we’re fragile at the back and when confidence slips then discipline goes too as it did yesterday. It is also true to say we struggled in other lines including midfield yesterday but generally speaking our defence needs urgent repair and more quality added, starting with the introduction of a new goalkeeper and rebuild out from there. All Kerry supporters are naturally disappointed but this result really is no surprise to the majority of us and indeed it was expected by many, even more so after the drawn game. Look as supporters we always go in hope but in reality we knew things weren’t right. Management tactically tried to fix the issues but the resources were not there and some were not ready yet for the elite level. Then again, if you wrap fellas up in cotton wool they’ll be never be ready for the elite level. You really do reap what you sow. For all the god like genius of the Gooch, the biggest loss to Kerry for this season was the likes of Aidan O’Mahony with a real lack of leadership now at the back. Many of us have mentioned the merits of Donie Buckley on here before and with good reason! We saw the merits of Donie in action again yesterday, as Mayo have become the best tacklers in the game with their rip and strip in full effect against us. In fairness, Tony McEntee’s handpint is there too because there’s more than a little reminder of the great Armagh team of noughties in Mayo. If Mayo go on and win there All Ireland or even if the don’t, I hope an all out effort is made to bring Donie home, his county needs him. If Éamonn steps aside, I’d love to see Liam Kearns get a shot with his home county and Donie Buckley in his management team. I think that a non functioning half forward line is one of our biggest issues and has been for quite a while. A decent number 11, with a footballing brain is needed in any team to have a fulcrum to attack. We seem to be more concerned with having workers ala Buckley, Geaney etc rather than more naturalfootballers on the 40. Our defence was hung out to dry both days. Enright and Young have proven time and again that they are quality. When you get wiped out at midfield and the half forward line, as a defender, you're on a hiding to nothing. I agree regarding the goalkeeping position. Goalkeeper yesterday was very poor and needs to be addressed.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 27, 2017 10:23:40 GMT
17 Points was good kicking in the circumstances but our scoring return has not really been a big issue this year. Having said that, I don't think we create enough or score enough goals when we do. Banging in the goals is clearly part of Dublin’s DNA and Mayo too deliberately seek the goals as they clearly demonstrated with Kerry. It can definitely be improved by Kerry! However, Kerry’s real issues are and have been the defence, the defence, the defence, for some time and from the goalkeeper out! Psychologically we’re fragile at the back and when confidence slips then discipline goes too as it did yesterday. It is also true to say we struggled in other lines including midfield yesterday but generally speaking our defence needs urgent repair and more quality added, starting with the introduction of a new goalkeeper and rebuild out from there. All Kerry supporters are naturally disappointed but this result really is no surprise to the majority of us and indeed it was expected by many, even more so after the drawn game. Look as supporters we always go in hope but in reality we knew things weren’t right. Management tactically tried to fix the issues but the resources were not there and some were not ready yet for the elite level. Then again, if you wrap fellas up in cotton wool they’ll be never be ready for the elite level. You really do reap what you sow. For all the god like genius of the Gooch, the biggest loss to Kerry for this season was the likes of Aidan O’Mahony with a real lack of leadership now at the back. Many of us have mentioned the merits of Donie Buckley on here before and with good reason! We saw the merits of Donie in action again yesterday, as Mayo have become the best tacklers in the game with their rip and strip in full effect against us. In fairness, Tony McEntee’s handpint is there too because there’s more than a little reminder of the great Armagh team of noughties in Mayo. If Mayo go on and win there All Ireland or even if the don’t, I hope an all out effort is made to bring Donie home, his county needs him. If Éamonn steps aside, I’d love to see Liam Kearns get a shot with his home county and Donie Buckley in his management team. I think that a non functioning half forward line is one of our biggest issues and has been for quite a while. A decent number 11, with a footballing brain is needed in any team to have a fulcrum to attack. We seem to be more concerned with having workers ala Buckley, Geaney etc rather than more naturalfootballers on the 40. Our defence was hung out to dry both days. Enright and Young have proven time and again that they are quality. When you get wiped out at midfield and the half forward line, as a defender, you're on a hiding to nothing. I agree regarding the goalkeeping position. Goalkeeper yesterday was very poor and needs to be addressed. Absolutely, the half forward line has been struggling too - no arguments there. However, you can't build a house on a dodgy foundation and our goalkeeper and full backline need serious solidifying. You can’t fault Enright’s commitment or endeavour but his a poor tackler and fouls too much. Yes, to a certain extent the fullback have been hung out to dry but quite honestly Enright was easily turned inside out in both games against Mayo. Look quality wise, these are far from the best defenders Kerry have ever had and there’s the real issue, we need to insert better quality defenders, starting with a new goalkeeper.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 27, 2017 10:36:51 GMT
Who are these better quality defenders?
Who are these pacier players?
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Post by bannerman on Aug 27, 2017 10:44:03 GMT
A bad week for kerry seniors, everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. Hard to know what went wrong, but a few thoughts in my head are as follows ; - thanks to management for their efforts but time to go - in both games players seemed to have no idea what they were meant to be doing, the sweeper yesterday was prime example.that is a specialist position that can't be thought to every player and especially in a week - EF seems to have a loyalty to the established players. Some seem to be undropable. I am looking at David Moran. I'm sure he nice guy and trains very hard, but take out league final he has being poor for two years and yet never gets subbed off. Maher came on for wrong guy yest. - how were defenders that were massacred last week left on same forwards test. It madness
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 27, 2017 11:24:27 GMT
Who are these better quality defenders? Who are these pacier players? This year they probably weren't there or weren't yet ready? We’re talking about the future now - right? And we should always be looking to improve - right? In any case, given the really top class defenders that stepped away, it was going to take time. However, I thought we had unearthed a new quality corner back for this season in the league with Ronan Shanahan. Whatever happened since the league final, I don’t know? However, in the future, I’m guessing it will be trusted with the likes of Tom Sullivan, Briain O'Beaglaoich, Jason Foley and Andrew Barry to establish themselves further either as team starters or panel members. In fairness, young Tom Sullivan was thrown in at the deep end in an All Ireland semi-final and it was asking a lot. Hopefully, we’ll see a lot more of these youngsters in the league. Maybe there are further names out there yet?
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Post by southward on Aug 27, 2017 11:40:39 GMT
A bad week for kerry seniors, everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. Hard to know what went wrong, but a few thoughts in my head are as follows ; - thanks to management for their efforts but time to go - in both games players seemed to have no idea what they were meant to be doing, the sweeper yesterday was prime example.that is a specialist position that can't be thought to every player and especially in a week - EF seems to have a loyalty to the established players. Some seem to be undropable. I am looking at David Moran. I'm sure he nice guy and trains very hard, but take out league final he has being poor for two years and yet never gets subbed off. Maher came on for wrong guy yest. - how were defenders that were massacred last week left on same forwards test. It madness Thanks to players and wider management team for their efforts and sacrifices over last 9 months Maher came on as blood sub. Barry seemed to have blood coming from or just under his eye.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 27, 2017 11:45:56 GMT
Who are these better quality defenders? Who are these pacier players? This year they probably weren't there or weren't yet ready? We’re talking about the future now - right? And we should always be looking to improve - right? In any case, given the really top class defenders that stepped away, it was going to take time. However, I thought we had unearthed a new quality corner back for this season in the league with Ronan Shanahan. Whatever happened since the league final, I don’t know? However, in the future, I’m guessing it will be trusted with the likes of Tom Sullivan, Briain O'Beaglaoich, Jason Foley and Andrew Barry to establish themselves further either as team starters or panel members. In fairness, young Tom Sullivan was thrown in at the deep end in an All Ireland semi-final and it was asking a lot. Hopefully, we’ll see a lot more of these youngsters in the league. Maybe there are further names out there yet? I saw Shanahan in action post the league final ( twice) and he played poorly on both occasions and on each occasion receiving a black card before the half time whistle; I would add Gavin White's name to the above list - think he is real quality with great pace. Regarding the half forward line think the candidates here are Jack Savage and Sean O'Shea - both have good football brains, are good distributors of the ball and can kick off either foot. Realistically, David Clifford has to be in the mix for next year - maybe the "40" could be his long term home? One guy I have been impressed with this year is John Mark Foley - think he has the skills, pace and ruggedness to play in the half back line.
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Post by southward on Aug 27, 2017 11:46:56 GMT
I like to make a point, I was in the Hogan yesterday there was a woman from tralee I think abusing the ref all game I don't think the ref was the problem, Brian Kelly had a meltdown but in the year 2017 goal keeper is the toughest position, Paul Murphy should of marked Andy Moran but this is all ifs but that great save David Clarke was top class and another clearance off the line hope mayo do it so we can get on with our lives ha Seems reasonable - Gough's a menace to the game.
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Post by fitz on Aug 27, 2017 11:53:03 GMT
17 Points was good kicking in the circumstances but our scoring return has not really been a big issue this year. Having said that, I don't think we create enough or score enough goals when we do. Banging in the goals is clearly part of Dublin’s DNA and Mayo too deliberately seek the goals as they clearly demonstrated with Kerry. It can definitely be improved by Kerry! However, Kerry’s real issues are and have been the defence, the defence, the defence, for some time and from the goalkeeper out! Psychologically we’re fragile at the back and when confidence slips then discipline goes too as it did yesterday. It is also true to say we struggled in other lines including midfield yesterday but generally speaking our defence needs urgent repair and more quality added, starting with the introduction of a new goalkeeper and rebuild out from there. All Kerry supporters are naturally disappointed but this result really is no surprise to the majority of us and indeed it was expected by many, even more so after the drawn game. Look as supporters we always go in hope but in reality we knew things weren’t right. Management tactically tried to fix the issues but the resources were not there and some were not ready yet for the elite level. Then again, if you wrap fellas up in cotton wool they’ll be never be ready for the elite level. You really do reap what you sow. For all the god like genius of the Gooch, the biggest loss to Kerry for this season was the likes of Aidan O’Mahony with a real lack of leadership now at the back. Many of us have mentioned the merits of Donie Buckley on here before and with good reason! We saw the merits of Donie in action again yesterday, as Mayo have become the best tacklers in the game with their rip and strip in full effect against us. In fairness, Tony McEntee’s handpint is there too because there’s more than a little reminder of the great Armagh team of noughties in Mayo. If Mayo go on and win there All Ireland or even if the don’t, I hope an all out effort is made to bring Donie home, his county needs him. If Éamonn steps aside, I’d love to see Liam Kearns get a shot with his home county and Donie Buckley in his management team. Mayo are not the best tacklers in the game. We got 6 or 7 points from frees last week, Mayo 1. Their tackling was definitely best yesterday, that's for sure. How we defend needs serious looking at. How can Moran and O'Connor be up to 5 yards ahead of their man receiving a pass? How are they approaching man marking? Lot of our lads slipping yesterday, a clear sign of getting too tight when there is no chance of stealing in the tackle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:00:53 GMT
Very frustrating day. Clearly tactically we handed the initiative to mayo by playing the sweeper. To see Paul Murphy running around the full back line chasing shadows in the first half was depressing. Our half forward line again disappeared. Buckley even though a big man seems to disappear on the big occasion. I don't recall him winning any kick outs. Moran had a disappointing day and failed in the primary task of securing possession in the first half. Hard to take any positives from the game other than at least we did not capitulate. Gough getting a standing ovation from mayo fans at half time says it all about this prima-donna. Can i ask you why you think this was the case. I was on the Hill yesterday and had a birds eye view of how the options available to the Mayo players out the field were seriously reduced by Paul Murphys positioning on the D. Mayo had no option but to power through a win frees and Gough was happy to give the player in possession frees all day long. When Mayo had a kickout Paul went forward enough to ensure theere was no free Mayo man for the short kickout but Clarke still managed to chip a little kick to a Mayo jersey and receive the ball back. In the first half Clarje had 10 kickouts and Mayo got possession from the lot. Kerry had about 16 and Mayo won possession from half of them. In my view the deployment of PM was one of the few things that was good in this game. The problems were elsewhere.... too many players playing poorly or not being allowed to play.... not starting JOD..... If you were to pick a combined team from the two games you would have about 10 Mayo players I don't think you can look at the Paul Murphy deployment in isolation. It did improve certain things but conceded a lot elsewhere as a result.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 27, 2017 12:13:51 GMT
First off congrats to Mayo on a fine display and a fine win. I hope they win the final, they have too many good players who dont deserve to finish their careers without a Celtic Cross.
On the ref, our fears about him were justified. When you see Fitzmaurice running onto the pitch at half time to have words with him, its obvious somethings wrong. On consistency I will point out a few things from the first half. He gave a hop ball when Paul Murphy went short for a kick out. Fair enough. Clarke chipped one to a back standing on the 20m line inside the D a few minutes later. No hop ball and the distance was shorter than Murphys one. Donaghy was booked for mouthing following an incident where Boyle clearly pulled Donnchadh's jersey before winning the ball off him. A few minutes later Tom Sullivan pulls McLoughlans jersey and its a handy 35m free in front of the goals. He could spot off the ball fouling by Kerry backs but was oblivious to the same thing happening at the other end. Its the lack of consistency that drives people mad. But I also think its plain to see at this stage that he has something personal against Kerry.
A lot of the players let themselves down - you can talk about tactics and that til the cows come home but its up to the players to stand up and win their own battle. How many players did that yesterday?
I'll leave off my comments on the management for another 24 hours but I hope there is a serious period of reflection to be carried out.
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Post by fearoniarthar on Aug 27, 2017 12:33:58 GMT
So we're at the business end. Evenings closing in and the Puck goat stand is up in Killorglin. Time to focus on the big prize. AS a first time contributor to this forum I am appalled by the ignoramus comments by so called "Mayo supporters"to this forum. I am a lifelong Mayo fan and roar my head off at every Mayo match but never give abuse. I have always admired Kerry football and indeed I would regard Kerry as my second favourite team over the years. I also find it a bit surprising that Mayo fans were dishing out abuse to Kerry supporters. In all my years following Mayo I have never come across this behaviour (you will always get the ignorant individuals) but never as a group. That is appalling stuff. After all we're all GAA brothers. Mayo abu. We were the better team yesterday and deserved the win but ye have had yer days against us in the past(too many times). We also have wonderful supporters who support their team through thick and thin regardless of winning All Irelands or not. That is what the GAA should be about.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 27, 2017 12:47:44 GMT
One of the most disappointing aspect of the game for me was the panic we showed from early in the second half. We had handy points there for the taking and just kept trying in vain for goals. I couldn't believe it. Major lack of leadership when cool heads were needed.
Gough totally destroyed the game. 2 neutral supporters beside me were totally up in arms with him and that says it all. That said he wasn't the cause of the losing of this match. However had it been a close affair at the end there would be a serious outcry. If I never see him ref a match again it will be a day too soon.
Massive congratulations to Mayo and in particular the decent contributors here. Their resilience is absolutely extraordinary and I like many others sincerely hope they win it now. They have some of the best footballers in the country at the moment. Rochford came in for an awful lot of stick but he certainly answered his critics yesterday. We were totally bossed by Mayo who did what they liked for the majority of the game. Huge questions to answer.
We were blessed to get the draw last week. It gave us the opportunity to rectify the wrongs and we failed miserably. Had we got through last week it would have been papering over cracks which were ripped apart yesterday.
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Post by stevieq on Aug 27, 2017 12:49:15 GMT
Punch drunk are the words I'm looking for. After the league final v Dublin I genuinely thought we were serious contenders this year. And I was delighted we would be getting Mayo in the semi final to tee up a final against the old enemy. Nothing that Mayo did previous to the Roscommon replay put any doubt that the only result would have been a Kerry win. Let's not forget that save for a couple of poor shooting decisions from Cork forwards would have meant a Semi Final clash against Cork or Roscommon.
I said after the game that I hope that Mayo go on and win it now.... but to honest I couldn't give a sh1t who wins.
Its going to be a long and lonely winter yet I will be renewing my season ticket again with new hope and expectations and can't wait for the madness to start again.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2017 12:54:59 GMT
Colm O'Rourke: Controlled fury wins the day to expose Kerry's limitations
Mayo again on the verge of the promised land. A performance of manliness, aggression and bravery which reduced Kerry to an indisciplined outfit. The last act of Kieran Donaghy summed it all up, a red card which was an inglorious end to a career of many highs. Donaghy had made little impact on the game compared to the drawn match and the frustration boiled over.
Mayo had many heroes. It started with goalkeeper David Clarke who saved a few but, more importantly, delivered his kick-outs accurately which started many attacks. The general perception was that Kerry would learn more from the draw - it was quite the opposite.
Mayo, who were poor on the Kerry kick-out in the drawn game, forced Brian Kelly to kick long which suited the more physical players that Mayo had around midfield. When he went short it was with a sense of panic, the ultimate example of that was when he kicked over his own end line. That is a new one for me.
The suspicion that this was a limited Kerry team was reinforced during the first half when Mayo overwhelmed them in possession but it did not look like it would count until Diarmuid O'Connor sneaked in and caught both defender and goalkeeper asleep at the wheel for the first goal of the game. Even at that the gap was not insurmountable but the quick goal after half-time gave Mayo breathing space.
It again showed a Kerry defence at sea with Shane Enright outfielded by Andy Moran who turned, played a one-two with Cillian O'Connor, and finished from a yard out. Enright has had two roastings in a week in Croke Park, and Moran was brilliant again.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice made a lot of changes to his team to shake things up. None of them worked and the decision to leave James O'Donoghue on the line was misguided. When he came on he added pace, power and accuracy to the attack. Up to then it was dependent on Paul Geaney and a bird never flew on one wing. Even at that Kerry were only four down with 15 minutes to play and Mayo scrambled away a couple of great goal chances.
At this stage the true warriors stood out. Higgins and Boyle were fantastic, so too were the O'Sheas, Jason Doherty had his best ever game, while Conor Loftus added a new dimension. Lee Keegan was not good and was taking on shots when he should have recycled. He needs to play more for the team as he can be a match-winner in the final.
The concern always with Mayo is that their feet turn to putty with the finish line in sight. Yesterday they drove on and wanted more scores rather than sitting back. Getting 1-8 in both halves showed that they realised they could not win this game in the second half just by defending.
The tactics of a winning team are nearly always lauded; Stephen Rochford was not necessarily wrong by playing Aidan O'Shea at full-back in the drawn game and not necessarily right by persisting with it - but the scoreboard at the end means the winner takes all the plaudits.
O'Shea was good, Donaghy much less influential so the balance of advantage was firmly in Mayo's direction. A week ago, Donaghy brought his forwards into the match but this time they were not able to cope when left to their own devices. It is a poor enough Kerry team and there will be a lot of new blood when we see them again in Croke Park.
Mayo are back again on centre court in September, a month which has brought a lot of misery to them in the past. Yet the massive support still believe and will make the journey from the four corners of the world in three weeks. The local support in Mayo itself must be broke following this team but they would not swap it. On the road this year they have had the most fantastic entertainment from a group of players who have lit up many summers with their skill, passion and bravery.
Justice would ordain that the next match would be the crowning glory but sometimes there is no justice in court and often less on the sporting field. Yet there is a fair wind on the Mayo team's back right now and this controlled fury will be hard to stop.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 27, 2017 13:55:05 GMT
Yep and its not the first time I have experienced it with them either. I know they are desperate to win but no need to behave that way especially when there are kids present. For their genuine supporters I wish them the best of luck. Thankfully it wasn't the final as we would have had no alternative but to stay in our seats or watch from the tunnel. As a season ticket holder I hope the GAA will segregate the supporters better for future games in Croke Park. I would hate to see supporters segregated - have met my fair share of obnoxious fans over the years but the fun and banter with the genuine fans far outweighs them. The mixing of fans is part of the beauty of the GAA. Don't let the idiots win.
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Post by winter on Aug 27, 2017 14:08:51 GMT
Kelly, had played well until yesterday. His Kick out etc were good in the drawn game, but if you have an non existent midfield, and a Mayo team pushing forward, he had no where to go. His brain was fried once the first couple went astray. I would not be getting rid of him yet.
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Post by agile37 on Aug 27, 2017 15:17:51 GMT
Head and soul aches mean hard analysis will have to wait a day or 2. One little snippet from yday that - if I read it correctly - showed up the muddled mindset evident throughout team and sideline. I was still more than hopeful at halftime of a strong positive reaction from our lads and at the very least a right struggle to the finish. But before the ball was thrown for the restart, I already had my head in my hands. Those of you over on the Cusack stand side might have spotted it. Jonathan Lyne took up the right half back position but there wasn't any Mayo man in sight. In itself not a major problem but when I saw him looking around for someone to mark.....and then Peter Crowley arriving over following his own man and roaring at Lyne to get out of there and get up to mark the Mayo right half back (actually think it was Kevin McLoughlin back up there but could be wrong) who was standing in splendid isolation without a Kerry player within an asses roar of him and he ready to run a line untracked in to support the inevitable AOS possession from the throw in. Sin a bhfuil I said to myself.
Agree with Colinsworth1's assessment earlier that Eamonn & co went for excessive re-engineering when tweaks might have sufficed. Our display yesterday had all the signs of a team that was bombarded with tactical talk and remodelling in the 3 or 4 gatherings they had in the space of the 6 days buildup.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 27, 2017 16:01:14 GMT
When posters single out players they tend to forget this is a team sport and individuals rely on one another to perform. Yes individuals have off games but when a team performs the way we did yesterday the issue is normally far deeper.
Our keeper was under massive pressure and his highlighted errors came from the team being unable to give him options and leaving him exposed.
Tearing into and highlighting individuals is simplistic and distasteful given the efforts our amateur sportsmen put in - team (including management) must take responsibility and look to whether or not they can be part of the solution or is it time to let others have a go.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Aug 27, 2017 16:34:37 GMT
Fitzmaurice has 1 year left that was agreed last year out of his 2 year contract I think. In.fairness he did bring us league success. Think yesterday was not one of his better ones but I am sure there is learning there in that for him
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Post by southward on Aug 27, 2017 16:53:26 GMT
Yep and its not the first time I have experienced it with them either. I know they are desperate to win but no need to behave that way especially when there are kids present. For their genuine supporters I wish them the best of luck. Thankfully it wasn't the final as we would have had no alternative but to stay in our seats or watch from the tunnel. As a season ticket holder I hope the GAA will segregate the supporters better for future games in Croke Park. I would hate to see supporters segregated - have met my fair share of obnoxious fans over the years but the fun and banter with the genuine fans far outweighs them. The mixing of fans is part of the beauty of the GAA. Don't let the idiots win. It will be a sad day for our games if segregation is ever seen as necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 17:03:22 GMT
I think people are a bit too sensitive these days. So what if some bad language is used, so what if some kids are in the vicinity. Passion is part of the game, people do get carried away and do things they shouldn't but let's retain some perspective.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 27, 2017 17:30:21 GMT
I think people are a bit too sensitive these days. So what if some bad language is used, so what if some kids are in the vicinity. Passion is part of the game, people do get carried away and do things they shouldn't but let's retain some perspective. Spot on, well said.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 27, 2017 17:35:30 GMT
Yesterday a well managed transition of the past few years might simply have fizzled out and run it's natural life. Time to begin rebuilding now with the recent minor teams and what is left from that transition.
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Post by titanium on Aug 27, 2017 17:50:36 GMT
Yesterday a well managed transition of the past few years might simply have fizzled out and run it's natural life. Time to begin rebuilding now with the recent minor teams and what is left from that transition. The thing is in this county it's hard for people to accept that we may not be contenders for a few years while a rebuilding job is going on. Every year it seems the focus is on doing as well as we can that year. With minimal disturbance by young unproven players getting a chance of much significance.
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