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Post by Dermot on Aug 9, 2017 11:12:44 GMT
Do you think RTE will be out to paint Tyrone in a bad light before the Dublin semi? Put things into the media and the head of the referee ahead of the game? I mean, if Tyrone win, and go on and win the AI (God forbid ), I presume there will be no cameras/interviews with the winning team at the hotel. The Sunday Game will have to finish a half an hour early, and RTE will miss out on a load of advertising dough. It's in their own interests. They'd be foolish not to lol .. I was gonna say "Shhh, dont be giving them ideas" .. but I think they know all this already .. Yeah, it will have an affect for sure .. "how much" is the debatable factor..
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Post by Dermot on Aug 9, 2017 11:22:50 GMT
To add to the point about the ref & Tyrone .... The problem we may have on top of soft black cards which we've got the past few years at crucial stages is this refs perception of the tackle ... we have given very few free's away all year as our tackling has been excellent re not fouling ... If we get a ref in the next game who decides to ping us for the same tackling we've not been pinged for all year, we are in trouble..
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 9, 2017 11:48:53 GMT
To add to the point about the ref & Tyrone .... The problem we may have on top of soft black cards which we've got the past few years at crucial stages is this refs perception of the tackle ... we have given very few free's away all year as our tackling has been excellent re not fouling ... If we get a ref in the next game who decides to ping us for the same tackling we've not been pinged for all year, we are in trouble.. Thats the problem with the GAA in general There is no consistency at all. Whats fine one week is blown up the next. Look a the fawning over hurling being 'manly' and 'physical'. Have the games i watch dont seem to have any rules applied re: shoulders into the chest, frontal charges, checking etc. If you tried any of them in football you would get a yellow at least and it would be declared a dirty game.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 9, 2017 12:02:05 GMT
To add to the point about the ref & Tyrone .... The problem we may have on top of soft black cards which we've got the past few years at crucial stages is this refs perception of the tackle ... we have given very few free's away all year as our tackling has been excellent re not fouling ... If we get a ref in the next game who decides to ping us for the same tackling we've not been pinged for all year, we are in trouble.. Thats the problem with the GAA in general There is no consistency at all. Whats fine one week is blown up the next. Look a the fawning over hurling being 'manly' and 'physical'. Have the games i watch dont seem to have any rules applied re: shoulders into the chest, frontal charges, checking etc. If you tried any of them in football you would get a yellow at least and it would be declared a dirty game. Ha, the Hurling is a mad one right enough .. some of those games I swear you'd need to knife a fella to get a card, and even then it would only be a yellow lol Consistency is key for sure, but as was said above, the RTE thing is a worry .. a genuine worry !! I think Tyrone need our own lobby (as per Kerry & Dublin) to get this out in the open and shut down before it starts
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 9, 2017 16:24:26 GMT
Maybe don't look to the ref but your own players?! Ha, more lazy outdated views from you .. we're probably the cleanest team around but dont let that cloud over your tinted specs ... You're some craic hi .. lol So it is all the refs' fault and not your players'? Got it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2017 16:51:01 GMT
As one who expressed the view more than once that the old Tyrone team were a filthy shower.... It is only fair now to acknowledge that this present Tyrone team is very clean and great to watch.
Can anyone point out a bad incident involving Tyrone in 2016 or 2017 even.
Time to give the dog a good name...
The MH business with RTE is working against them i believe.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 9, 2017 17:37:51 GMT
I like the page we are on but am looking forward to the next one.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2017 7:44:53 GMT
Was Tiernan McCanns dive after the hair ruffle much worse than Johnny Coopers last week as he cynically tried to get McManus booked. McManus was booked.
Now compare the outrage in the media and RTE to McCann v the silence about Cooper.
Why is this
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Post by buck02 on Aug 10, 2017 9:14:20 GMT
I wonder would a team like Monaghan have a better chance in the championship if they played in Division 2 instead of Division 1. I recall the day in Killarney in March when Monaghan deservedly beat Kerry. The Wylies hits everything that moved (and even things that didnt), Kieran Hughes was excellent, McCarron also, McManus was good and the likes of Doogan worked tirelessly. What I am trying to say is that the likes of Monaghan, to remain in Division 1, need to keep their foot on the pedal all spring and have all their big players playing well. While Dublin and Kerry can rest players for different games in the league and pick and choose games to target, Monaghan dont have that luxury.
In hindsight, it looks like Mickey Harte put Tyrone through a heavy block of training for the last month of the league - knowing they wouldnt be relegated but probably not wanting to play the Dubs in a league final when they would be meeting them on August 27th. I think this is a key point. Monaghan, Roscommon, Armagh have a small playing base to choose from and players get worn out with little rest periods. Unless former powerhouses like Meath and Cork get strong again it will be up to these counties (with a pick half the size of Kerry and Mayo) like Monaghan, Roscommon and Armagh to try to make up the numbers in the Super 8. Kieran Shannon seems to agree with the points made www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/you-cant-have-a-super-8-in-summer-and-another-in-spring-456634.html
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2017 9:22:47 GMT
Buck...any chance you could copy and paste the text. I cant access it.
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Post by dubaroo on Aug 10, 2017 10:12:13 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Aug 10, 2017 10:36:49 GMT
Buck...any chance you could copy and paste the text. I cant access it. Here you go (FYI for certain content on the Examiner website such as sports columns you need to register - it doesnt cost anything). KIERAN SHANNON: You can’t have a Super 8 in summer and another in spring If you’re among those worried at how football is now stuck with the Super Eight when the past two weekends has starkly illustrated that it simply has a Super Four, it’s worth bearing something in mind to appease your fears, says Kieran Shannon. Part of Páraic Duffy’s reasoning in coming up with the Super Eight was in acknowledging the brilliance — even superiority — of a select few teams. If Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone were the best exponents of football in the country, then let them play each other more often. Let the rest of us see them bounce off each more often. In risking the creation of the odd extra landslide and even occasional dead rubber, all that would be outweighed by the virtual guarantee of more crackers and nailbiters. Over the previous two summers, there have been eight championship clashes between the Big Four. Only two of them finished up with more than two points between the teams: The 2015 monsoon All Ireland semi-final in which a late Kerry spurt saw them beat Tyrone by four points when the hits and pace were as intense and unrelenting as the rain, and a week later, when Dublin saw off Mayo in a replay in which the latter had been a goal up going into the last quarter of the game. On either of those days, there weren’t many hurling snobs tweeting about the superiority of their own game. Dublin-Mayo or Dublin-Kerry would make a convert of anyone. Yet, whoever loses next Sunday week’s semi-final between Stephen Rochford’s charges and Éamonn Fitzmaurice’s won’t get to square off against Jim Gavin’s this championship. In fact, the winner might not get to play them, so formidable and primed are Mickey Harte’s team for their showdown against Dublin on August 27. Of course, part of what makes the two upcoming semi-finals so eagerly anticipated is just how scarce such showdowns are, and how there’s no safety net for whoever falls off the tightrope, but does anyone really think a Super Eight group game between Kerry and Dublin next year would lack for intensity just because a loss wouldn’t necessarily knock the losing team out? If you know of such a person, send them a copy of this year’s drawn league game in Tralee, where they skelped into one another. What’s also been overlooked is that if the Super Eight had been in place this year, then, with Mayo having failed again to win their provincial title, three of the Big Four would have been pitted in the same group. No chance of anyone holding back in that piranha pond, while in the other group, a so-called smaller fish, possibly a Roscommon could have emerged to a semi-final. The Super Four is not permanent or impenetrable. Back in 2011, Kildare, Cork and Donegal were all members of a commonly-referred Top Six. It’s easy to envisage Cork, for one, back challenging in the next couple of years like they routinely did under Conor Counihan and the second coming of Billy Morgan, especially with a guaranteed home game. They only lost to Mayo by a point in Limerick two weeks ago. You think they wouldn’t fancy taking them in the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh, or Monaghan wouldn’t mind getting Mayo in Clones, or Galway wouldn’t love to get Tyrone in Salthill, just as they took down Mayo there back in June? The Super Eight — while this column wasn’t in favour of it — has a lot more going for it than the doomsayers have been touting since those lop-sided All Ireland quarter-finals. However, something else needs to be recognised by Páraic Duffy and the rest of the powers-that-be in Croke Park: If you’re going to have a Super Eight in the summer, then you can no longer have a Super Eight — namely, Division One — in the spring. After last Saturday’s heavy defeat to Dublin, Malachy O’Rourke spoke about how the new Super Eight would favour a bigger squad, such as Dublin’s, compared to the challenge it would be for one such as his own. If O’Rourke stays on, we think he’d find a way to overcome it, but whoever manages Monaghan in 2018 and beyond, one of their calculations will be that to remain fresh and vibrant in the summer, they must sacrifice more of the spring. A Dublin can cruise to a league final in second gear. A Kerry can avoid relegation in the same gear. For a Tyrone or a Mayo, it takes a third gear to avoid the drop and for everyone else it takes their top gear. For Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan, it’s foot to the mat. Kieran Donaghy can play basketball in March. Con O’Callaghan can play hurling. Monaghan and Conor McManus don’t have that luxury. Back on the first weekend of February, Monaghan went to Castlebar and beat the All- Ireland finalists, gunning for action after an early championship exit in 2015. They also went to Killarney and won down there. Just to stay in the top six. But last weekend the zip and the zeal they had shown in Mayo and Kerry were gone. They were flat and, if you’re flat come August, then you’re road-kill for a juggernaut like Dublin. With the arrival of the Super Eight, more Division One teams will take a leaf out of Kevin McStay’s book. Even his native county, Mayo, might; Tyrone have remained competitive in recent years despite the odd year out of the very top flight. Revert to old-school thinking and go back to using the league as less an exercise in survival and instead a time to limber up and experiment. If you get relegated, so be it. Otherwise, by exerting so much to stay in the top six — which retaining division one status essentially is — you’re hardly going to be fresh enough come July. You can’t have it both ways. Or, if we’re to get to the kernel of all this, Duffy can’t have it both ways. The league’s Super Eight has shaped as well as reflected the gulf between the top teams and the rest. The GAA still have no idea of why the noughties was such a democratic era. The reason you had Fermanagh and Wexford making All-Ireland semi-finals was because they were making Division One semi-finals, as Division One was 16 teams, not just eight. They weren’t cut ashore from playing the Kerrys and Dublins, but they weren’t worn out either from then having to play Mayo and Tyrone the following few weeks either. To repeat a point this column has made before: Division 1A and 1B was working just fine. There was no good reason to change it. It’s time now the GAA changed it back, otherwise they are indeed more about elitism and commercialism. If you’re going to have a Super Eight in the summer, fine, but you can’t then have a Super Eight in the spring.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2017 11:58:08 GMT
Not so sure about that. There is a long time to recover between April and July. The January tournament competitions may be something that should be cut instead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 12:37:33 GMT
The league works very well now. Don't see any benefit in changing
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2017 12:42:01 GMT
Exactly, the league was excellent this year. One of the best to date.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 10, 2017 16:14:47 GMT
Ha, more lazy outdated views from you .. we're probably the cleanest team around but dont let that cloud over your tinted specs ... You're some craic hi .. lol So it is all the refs' fault and not your players'? Got it. Finally lol
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2017 16:21:24 GMT
Dermot
I see ye have Coldrick as ref.
Ye might as well fold the tent.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 10, 2017 16:36:02 GMT
Coldrick really ?.. thats maybe not too bad actually .. (fingers & toes crossed..) Funnily enough I always thought he was very bad for us and Im not 100% sure what caused me to "slightly" change my mind on this, or when this happened but in the last year or so (honestly cant remember when at the minute) he seems to have been a bit better... or am I imagining things .. needs more thought.. but in general he hopefully wont be blowing us up every two seconds & we wont get pinged for our tackling which has been great so far.. then again, does that mean he will let the Dubs away with "blue" murder ? .... I'll tell you after the game MM
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 10, 2017 18:38:43 GMT
Coldrick really ?.. thats maybe not too bad actually .. (fingers & toes crossed..) Funnily enough I always thought he was very bad for us and Im not 100% sure what caused me to "slightly" change my mind on this, or when this happened but in the last year or so (honestly cant remember when at the minute) he seems to have been a bit better... or am I imagining things .. needs more thought.. but in general he hopefully wont be blowing us up every two seconds & we wont get pinged for our tackling which has been great so far.. then again, does that mean he will let the Dubs away with "blue" murder ? .... I'll tell you after the game MM Begining to sound like you want to control the whistle yourself and only blow for the other team!!!! Surely a referee must be consistent and apply the rules fairly and that is the only criteria we should judge him on.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2017 19:31:28 GMT
Coldrick is living in and working in dublin. He should not ref games involving dublin.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 19:37:30 GMT
And gough now will be favourite to get the final
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2017 19:51:01 GMT
Or McQuillan!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2017 19:56:58 GMT
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Post by Dermot on Aug 11, 2017 0:23:30 GMT
Coldrick really ?.. thats maybe not too bad actually .. (fingers & toes crossed..) Funnily enough I always thought he was very bad for us and Im not 100% sure what caused me to "slightly" change my mind on this, or when this happened but in the last year or so (honestly cant remember when at the minute) he seems to have been a bit better... or am I imagining things .. needs more thought.. but in general he hopefully wont be blowing us up every two seconds & we wont get pinged for our tackling which has been great so far.. then again, does that mean he will let the Dubs away with "blue" murder ? .... I'll tell you after the game MM Begining to sound like you want to control the whistle yourself and only blow for the other team!!!! Surely a referee must be consistent and apply the rules fairly and that is the only criteria we should judge him on. Nope, I just would love to see consistency and no favouritism ... I thought that was clearly apparent !! Shouldn't really be too much to ask
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Post by Hicser on Aug 13, 2017 8:14:49 GMT
Exactly, the league was excellent this year. One of the best to date. The league is far better than the championship,
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 13, 2017 8:24:45 GMT
Can defensive Tyrone with questionable forwards get enough scores to beat the top team in the country? I can't see it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2017 10:31:51 GMT
I think Tyrone are capable of reducing this to a low scoring stalemate with long range free kicking being key but even then Dublin have the edge. You wouldnt be putting your house on Tyrone keeper to match Dean Rock in that facet.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2017 11:13:37 GMT
I think Tyrone are capable of reducing this to a low scoring stalemate with long range free kicking being key but even then Dublin have the edge. You wouldnt be putting your house on Tyrone keeper to match Dean Rock in that facet. I die a little inside every time I see our keeper walking up the field to take a free ... its an abomination why, why oh why does MH persist with this nonsense .. thats about 5 years in a row this nonsense has been happening and it hasnt worked yet
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Post by Dermot on Aug 14, 2017 11:17:07 GMT
btw, I think Tyrone are a much more attacking team than we're being given credit for .... all this talk of Tyrone being ultra defensive doesn't really add up lads .. look at the scores we're putting up..
I think we're very solid defensively but so are Dublin & Kerry ... I really do think we're lethal when in attack and fantastic to watch .. maybe its red & white tinted glasses but I feckin love watching Tyrone in attack mode... Sludden, Harte, Donnelly, McCann etc.. in full flow are some spectacle...
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2017 11:33:10 GMT
btw, I think Tyrone are a much more attacking team than we're being given credit for .... all this talk of Tyrone being ultra defensive doesn't really add up lads .. look at the sores we're putting up.. I think we're very solid defensively but so are Dublin & Kerry ... I really do think we're lethal when in attack and fantastic to watch .. maybe its red & white tinted glasses but I feckin love watching Tyrone in attack mode... Sludden, Harte, Donnelly, McCann etc.. in full flow are some spectacle... I agree but they would definitely lose a shootout.
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