|
Post by Mickmack on Aug 30, 2017 7:01:44 GMT
The wise man just followed the Star.................... Very good. And Aiden didnt follow the Star when he went in to FF as a last desperate throw of the dice by EF in the drawn game
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Aug 30, 2017 7:49:59 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Dermot on Aug 30, 2017 11:39:53 GMT
Spot on article from J McG .... the thing that he doesnt mention is the fact that on the Dublin kick out, we neither pushed up completely, nor did we stay back in our own half .. we seemed to do a half-hearted push up a lot of the time .. i.e. Pushing up but "always" leaving a man free for Cluxton to kick it to .... Stay back or push up completely ... doing a 90% press is madness .. as it proved of course, but it was just one of a litany of disasters .... Dublin are very very good but we made them look like All Stars ...
|
|
|
Post by thebluepanther on Aug 30, 2017 22:27:07 GMT
Spot on article from J McG .... the thing that he doesnt mention is the fact that on the Dublin kick out, we neither pushed up completely, nor did we stay back in our own half .. we seemed to do a half-hearted push up a lot of the time .. i.e. Pushing up but "always" leaving a man free for Cluxton to kick it to .... Stay back or push up completely ... doing a 90% press is madness .. as it proved of course, but it was just one of a litany of disasters .... Dublin are very very good but we made them look like All Stars ... I think Mickey was conscious of not wasting energy. So obviously decided only to push up after a score from a free, Tyrone pushed up for 3 kickouts in first half . The first after scoring from a free ( like Kerry did to us after a score ) but Cluxton put it over the Tyrone lads heads 3 times. You never got the frees Mickey had hoped for from your running game. Sean Cavanagh struggled badly to keep with James mc Carthy. John Small never gave Peter Harte a minute and if he was elsewhere Fenton went over to him. Our half forwards stopped your half backs from making runs. Tyrone also went 20 mins in first half without a score , so that was 20 min's where Cluxton could give short kickouts and we scored points keeping the pressure further up the field. We never went into the areas where Mickey was waiting to ambush us , which rendered a lot of Tyrone training and planning stagnant. It was like a battle between two armies where one army was waiting ready in anticipation for the other to come through the gap to engage them . But then looked around and realised they were all on the hills surrounding them looking down ready to charge.
|
|
|
Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 31, 2017 1:12:24 GMT
Spot on article from J McG .... the thing that he doesnt mention is the fact that on the Dublin kick out, we neither pushed up completely, nor did we stay back in our own half .. we seemed to do a half-hearted push up a lot of the time .. i.e. Pushing up but "always" leaving a man free for Cluxton to kick it to .... Stay back or push up completely ... doing a 90% press is madness .. as it proved of course, but it was just one of a litany of disasters .... Dublin are very very good but we made them look like All Stars ... I think Mickey was conscious of not wasting energy. So obviously decided only to push up after a score from a free, Tyrone pushed up for 3 kickouts in first half . The first after scoring from a free ( like Kerry did to us after a score ) but Cluxton put it over the Tyrone lads heads 3 times. You never got the frees Mickey had hoped for from your running game. Sean Cavanagh struggled badly to keep with James mc Carthy. John Small never gave Peter Harte a minute and if he was elsewhere Fenton went over to him. Our half forwards stopped your half backs from making runs. Tyrone also went 20 mins in first half without a score , so that was 20 min's where Cluxton could give short kickouts and we scored points keeping the pressure further up the field. We never went into the areas where Mickey was waiting to ambush us , which rendered a lot of Tyrone training and planning stagnant. It was like a battle between two armies where one army was waiting ready in anticipation for the other to come through the gap to engage them . But then looked around and realised they were all on the hills surrounding them looking down ready to charge. [ Posters are analyzing the Dublin Tyrone game Making some very good observations but the elephant In the room is that one of the country's most skillful ball handling teams Tyrone Could not kick simple very scoreable points Sean Cavanagh for example missed two easy ones at least McCurry came on and got 3 scoring chances and shockingly missed all three I'm sure some Tyrone posters who were watching more closely than me can confirm that at least 8 scoreable points were missed I just mentioned 5 misses that the Tyrone U 17 team would no doubt have converted I m surmising that the training is now geared towards tackling and defensive structures at the expense of scoring drill and shooting drills I'm sure the Tyrone warm up routine prior to the game could reflect this reality . Ronan o Neill was brought on too late but the game was over then . The point I'm making is if some of those bad misses had been converted then Tyrone wound have been much much closer But it's obvious Tyrone are more focused in stopping the opposition. Scoring than scoring themselves
|
|
|
Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 31, 2017 1:25:19 GMT
Tyrone got out Tyroned it may be said but Peter Hart must have felt like he was competing in a MMA event as he was put in a bear hug grip by John Small every time he tried to make a run. The TV picked much of this blocking up on the screen but the amount of holding and jostling off the ball and off the TV must have been huge Keegan done it to Connolly last year and got an all star. Going by that. Precedent does that mean that John Small will get an all star award too for shutting down Tyrones best player The holding is brutal in today's game if the victim fights back he gets a yellow the same as the perpetrator that's not Justice either this is a blight on the game needs to be addressed
|
|
Fado
Senior Member
Posts: 317
|
Post by Fado on Aug 31, 2017 9:33:43 GMT
Tyrone set out to contain Dublin, but the early concession of a goal spelled disaster for their ultra defensive set up. From that point on, their only hope was to come out and play, most disappointingly they didn't.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Aug 31, 2017 10:51:07 GMT
Tyrone also finished in the bottom half of Div 1 this year. The NFL in its current format generally doesn't lie. Tyrone don't have the game or the forwards to become a top two team. I'm surprised paid punditry thought they would lay a glove on Dublin in the semi final.
|
|
|
Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 31, 2017 11:07:31 GMT
For all this talk about Tyrone being off the pace- I reckon that theres a very strong chance that they would beat us in a championship game if we had gotten them.
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Aug 31, 2017 16:02:42 GMT
For all this talk about Tyrone being off the pace- I reckon that theres a very strong chance that they would beat us in a championship game if we had gotten them. In 2018 Dublin play Mayo in the semi final. Might be Tyrone between us and a humiliation by dublin for their 4 in a row in the 2018 final. I said a while back that it will be 2019 before we can stop Dublin....not that confident anymore of that
|
|
|
Post by statistician on Aug 31, 2017 16:21:23 GMT
For all this talk about Tyrone being off the pace- I reckon that theres a very strong chance that they would beat us in a championship game if we had gotten them. In 2018 Dublin play Mayo in the semi final. Might be Tyrone between us and a humiliation by dublin for their 4 in a row in the 2018 final. I said a while back that it will be 2019 before we can stop Dublin....not that confident anymore of that This could change slightly or will Kerry be paired with the Connaught Winners and or the Leinster winners in the Super 8? Obviously if the 4 proveniencial winners were to come through...1st in Group A play 2nd in Group B and 2nd in Group A would play first in Group B?
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Aug 31, 2017 18:18:52 GMT
Lets see how the final goes first before we start getting down about the state of the country!
|
|
|
Post by NotOurYear on Sept 4, 2017 22:18:25 GMT
No show like a Joe show. The official referring partner of the Dublin county board. It's great to see the final going to another Dublin based ref!!This is actually a worse appointment than Gough for our semi-final.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 22:41:06 GMT
Another 3 years for Harte it seems.
|
|
|
Post by glengael on Sept 6, 2017 10:01:15 GMT
Strange when they wouldn't give him a 2 year term last year but maybe this year was viewed as progress... Is there nobody else on the horizon at all Dermot?
|
|
|
Post by onlykerry on Sept 6, 2017 10:07:31 GMT
The Harte situation reminds me a bit of Wenger at Arsenal - hierarchy showing loyalty to a great servant but serious concerns by fans and outsiders that the manager is stuck in the past.
Getting to the SF was progress enough to secure him more time - surprised he got three years though.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2017 11:59:26 GMT
Things must be looking steal to some people in Tyrone, no real productivity from Tyrone in 12 seasons, the latter half of '08 aside!
|
|
|
Post by Mickmack on Sept 6, 2017 12:06:18 GMT
"I played senior football for Tyrone and Mickey Harte wasnt my manager".
Anyone who can say that must be shoving nearly fifty years of age. Mid forties anyway.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2017 17:03:51 GMT
|
|
|
Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 12, 2017 7:02:16 GMT
Things must be looking steal to some people in Tyrone, no real productivity from Tyrone in 12 seasons, the latter half of '08 aside! Good point. Though they had a great run in 2009 before falling to Cork, they just didn't have the legs of Cork in that game because clearly they had better players in many positions, maybe it was a hunger thing too. I think the main issue is that they don't seem to have enough game-winners in the team for the biggest games, last year Vs Mayo was a classic case but then they had come up short Vs Mayo twice prior to that in recent years. There was a belief that because they gave Kerry a serious game in 2015, and because they won Ulster the last two years that they were building year on year but when you look at how Ulster teams have fared in championship since 2015, there are all the signs that the competition isn't great. Tyrone got leeway for losing to Mayo last year because Mayo performed very well in the final, and Tyrone's Ulster breakthrough supposedly took alot out of them. But other teams making provincial breakthroughs have often gone on to do very well the same year, whereas Tyrone were poor Vs Mayo, and equally or more poor in this year's semi-final. The frightening thing for a few teams is that Armagh looked good in beating Kildare, who looked ok when losing to Dublin, then Armagh got annihalated Vs Tyrone, who then got badly beaten themselves. I think Mickey Harte couldn't go as the team were building, and it's hard for him to leave them go after such a bad beating in a major game. I think he needs to have one more shot at it but maybe get somebody else in alongside him. If he was ever going to go it would have been much better about 5 or 6 years ago, then he could have come back refreshed, and the players would have had a break from him.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2017 9:30:12 GMT
Things must be looking steal to some people in Tyrone, no real productivity from Tyrone in 12 seasons, the latter half of '08 aside! Good point. Though they had a great run in 2009 before falling to Cork, they just didn't have the legs of Cork in that game because clearly they had better players in many positions, maybe it was a hunger thing too. I think the main issue is that they don't seem to have enough game-winners in the team for the biggest games, last year Vs Mayo was a classic case but then they had come up short Vs Mayo twice prior to that in recent years. There was a belief that because they gave Kerry a serious game in 2015, and because they won Ulster the last two years that they were building year on year but when you look at how Ulster teams have fared in championship since 2015, there are all the signs that the competition isn't great. Tyrone got leeway for losing to Mayo last year because Mayo performed very well in the final, and Tyrone's Ulster breakthrough supposedly took alot out of them. But other teams making provincial breakthroughs have often gone on to do very well the same year, whereas Tyrone were poor Vs Mayo, and equally or more poor in this year's semi-final. The frightening thing for a few teams is that Armagh looked good in beating Kildare, who looked ok when losing to Dublin, then Armagh got annihalated Vs Tyrone, who then got badly beaten themselves. I think Mickey Harte couldn't go as the team were building, and it's hard for him to leave them go after such a bad beating in a major game. I think he needs to have one more shot at it but maybe get somebody else in alongside him. If he was ever going to go it would have been much better about 5 or 6 years ago, then he could have come back refreshed, and the players would have had a break from him. Tyrone don't have the quality forwards or the attacking game to come out on top at the top four level. It is a simple and obvious observation from watching them play.
|
|
|
Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 12, 2017 10:10:48 GMT
There was a belief that because they gave Kerry a serious game in 2015... Although it was only by four points in the end, I felt Kerry were very comfortable in that game (despite a few goal chance for Tyrone).
|
|
keane
Fanatical Member
Posts: 1,267
|
Post by keane on Sept 12, 2017 11:47:18 GMT
There was a belief that because they gave Kerry a serious game in 2015... Although it was only by four points in the end, I felt Kerry were very comfortable in that game (despite a few goal chance for Tyrone). That's the most poorly judged game of the last several years tbh. Kerry the better team by a mile without getting out of second gear. Everyone was on about 'what if Tyrone buried one of the goal chances' seemingly oblivious to the fact that they did bury a goal chance to bring it back to a point, after which Kerry upped it slightly and popped over three more points to win.
|
|
|
Post by kerrygold on Sept 12, 2017 12:24:01 GMT
Although it was only by four points in the end, I felt Kerry were very comfortable in that game (despite a few goal chance for Tyrone). That's the most poorly judged game of the last several years tbh. Kerry the better team by a mile without getting out of second gear. Everyone was on about 'what if Tyrone buried one of the goal chances' seemingly oblivious to the fact that they did bury a goal chance to bring it back to a point, after which Kerry upped it slightly and popped over three more points to win. Nail on head. There is a delusion around this Tyrone team that they are a cutting edge top four team which is incorrect. They finished 6th in div 1 of the NFL in 2017 having spend time in div 2. It makes the final interesting. Tyrone capitulated, how good are Dublin and how will they deal with intensity Mayo are going to being to the table on Sunday?
|
|