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Post by glengael on May 19, 2017 9:37:36 GMT
So for many teams, at all levels of expectation, the championship begins this weekend. I think this is the full list.
One or 2 might fancy themselves to be still standing in August.
Louth v Wicklow
Carlow v Wexford
Laois v Longford
Mayo v Sligo
Monaghan v Fermanagh
Donegal v Antrim
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Post by derry4sam on May 19, 2017 12:31:52 GMT
Not sure this is the appropriate thread but what is everyone's thoughts on Bernard Flynn really letting loose at Aidan O'Shea? Bit harsh imo but can see where he is coming from too. It must be very frustrating as a Mayo fan to see O'Shea consistently under perform. The constant switching of positions can't help either I suppose.
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Post by keane on May 19, 2017 12:46:43 GMT
I think signing autographs and taking pictures with kids after a match is to his credit. Having said that I think he's either colossally overrated in terms of talent or else a colossal underachiever in important games, not sure which.
If his career was to end today you'd have to say he was just a flat track bully really. If I was a Mayo fan I'd be glad to see him dropped in the hope of getting more out of him.
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Post by jackiel on May 19, 2017 13:13:26 GMT
I laughed when I read it, he's not shy of an oul camera himself. Id we'd had selfies in his day he'd have been the same if not worse. Still fancies himself does Flynner. Fair play to lads who give the time to pose with kids for photos and sign jersey's, it only takes a second but can mean so much to a child.
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Post by wideball on May 19, 2017 14:26:20 GMT
aidan o'shea - colossally overrated in terms of talent
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Post by dart on May 19, 2017 15:21:34 GMT
He's still only 26. I had assumed he was older than that and his powers were waning with age. Plenty of time for him to come good, he should stop getting managers the sack and picking teams though however.
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Post by sidelined on May 19, 2017 15:31:12 GMT
where does aidan o shea play? if he could decide that and concentrate on that! was a superb minor but not a miracle worker, either 8,11 or 14 some one decide. if not good enough 21 will do. or is rochford putting down a marker for the year ahead
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Post by keane on May 19, 2017 15:32:24 GMT
I don't think it's his fault he's moving around in fairness. Always seems to say himself that he's prefer to be midfield.
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Post by givehimaball on May 19, 2017 15:54:20 GMT
He's still only 26. I had assumed he was older than that and his powers were waning with age. Plenty of time for him to come good, he should stop getting managers the sack and picking teams though however. 27 next month and I really don't think there is much of a chance he will "come good" at this stage - he still plays the same way he did when he first started playing for the Mayo seniors - like a big strong lad from the U14s who got the time wrong and turned up at U10s training and was let take part anyway.
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Post by dart on May 19, 2017 18:20:00 GMT
I agree, no bit of maturity has developed. The GAA worlds loss.
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Post by yourholiness on May 19, 2017 18:53:08 GMT
Has his conditioning ever been to the right level ? To me he always looks out on his feet and unfit in the big games
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Post by thirdson on May 22, 2017 23:50:22 GMT
Mayo fans are defensive naturally considering the amount of slagging they get . However they should pause and listen to their critics and learn something. The narrative from mayo is there is only one or two things that have stopped them from collecting Sam but it's not the same little things. I think they ve reached a plateau and this team is finished. No real new forwards have come through, and their reaction to each defeat seems to be get stronger and fitter but it has nt worked. They deserve credit for getting into the top 3 and staying there but they are predictable and unimaginative .
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2017 7:55:44 GMT
Mayo fans are defensive naturally considering the amount of slagging they get . However they should pause and listen to their critics and learn something. The narrative from mayo is there is only one or two things that have stopped them from collecting Sam but it's not the same little things. I think they ve reached a plateau and this team is finished. No real new forwards have come through, and their reaction to each defeat seems to be get stronger and fitter but it has nt worked. They deserve credit for getting into the top 3 and staying there but they are predictable and unimaginative . So if mayo had got that last second free in for the clean pick up by bastick and won the all ireland would they be a great team....
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2017 8:03:37 GMT
Given the way mayo set up their team again dublin in 2016, with the emphasis on scores coming from building from thw back, could those critical of aiden o sheas define his role in those game. He seemed to be doing the job of three men in the half forward line given that his wing men were covering back most of the time. He kept COS very quiet in the process.
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Post by seamus on May 23, 2017 9:12:02 GMT
Not sure this is the appropriate thread but what is everyone's thoughts on Bernard Flynn really letting loose at Aidan O'Shea? Bit harsh imo but can see where he is coming from too. It must be very frustrating as a Mayo fan to see O'Shea consistently under perform. The constant switching of positions can't help either I suppose. The ultimate answer to this depends on how his team mates view him. Is he a good influence on the dressingroom? Is he a good trainer- first to arrive, stays for extras? Does he have the respect of all involved? If the answers to above are yes then none of the crap outside of it matters. OR Is he a big time Charlie trying to influence team selection, build his own reputation and not performing in training or in the big games? Only 20-30 people in the Mayo camp can answer the question properly. The rest of us are talking rubbish especially Bernard Flynn who is trying to keep himself relevant as more and more top class players retire and fight for media space.
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Post by mayofan1 on May 23, 2017 14:01:58 GMT
Mayo fans are defensive naturally considering the amount of slagging they get . However they should pause and listen to their critics and learn something. The narrative from mayo is there is only one or two things that have stopped them from collecting Sam but it's not the same little things. I think they ve reached a plateau and this team is finished. No real new forwards have come through, and their reaction to each defeat seems to be get stronger and fitter but it has nt worked. They deserve credit for getting into the top 3 and staying there but they are predictable and unimaginative . Yes we probably are...constant mockery and slagging in your direction will do that. I would even admit some of us are even bitter....having that carrot of an All Ireland dangling so close in front of your face only to be snapped away is hard to take. Reason's for not winning an All Ireland have been mainly down to our own failings. That said you have to admit some freakish events have happened in games down the years. That hail Mary kick from Colm Coyle in 1996, Cillian and Aidan clashing heads against Kerry in Limerick and TWO own goals in last years final spring to mind. Events last night in prove there are more important things in life than football....although when football is your life like it is to most in Mayo (and indeed Kerry) then its a hard pill to swallow.
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Post by yourholiness on May 23, 2017 14:20:33 GMT
Mayo fans are defensive naturally considering the amount of slagging they get . However they should pause and listen to their critics and learn something. The narrative from mayo is there is only one or two things that have stopped them from collecting Sam but it's not the same little things. I think they ve reached a plateau and this team is finished. No real new forwards have come through, and their reaction to each defeat seems to be get stronger and fitter but it has nt worked. They deserve credit for getting into the top 3 and staying there but they are predictable and unimaginative . So if mayo had got that last second free in for the clean pick up by bastick and won the all ireland would they be a great team.... No
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Post by kerrygold on May 23, 2017 14:24:00 GMT
Aidan O'Shea looked lost in the games at times v Dublin last year in the finals and few years earlier when Cluxton gave him the Croker run around on the kickouts in another final. This suggests lack of football acumen to me, not his fault but his ability as a footballer and this is not a crime. Put someone like Gerry McEntee or Mark O'Connor in the same situation and their footballing intellect will kick in and they will read the game around them like a book and take command of the game. I'm sure the three O'Sheas are three very honest players doing their very best for Mayo to the very best of their abilities. Sometimes in counties looking to make the breakthrough the main standout players on these teams become hate figures and are subjected to negative criticism when failure for the team is the net result. We get plenty of waffle in the media most of the time.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 23, 2017 16:10:38 GMT
Galway v Mayo in Salthill will be tasty now, should be a good game.
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2017 20:04:08 GMT
So if mayo had got that last second free in for the clean pick up by bastick and won the all ireland would they be a great team.... No Fair enough. Would they be deserving champions in your view
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Post by yourholiness on May 23, 2017 21:52:46 GMT
Fair enough. Would they be deserving champions in your view Sorry I was being a bit facetious there but I think they lack the quality . Forwards in particular . Last year I watched their midfield suffer inconsistent periods against Kildare and Tipp. Their match against Tyrone was a masterclass in fearful gutless football . Galway out played them . I think dublin were jaded at the end of the championship and the victory against Kerry took a great deal out of them . I also think the closeness of the score line in the replayed final flattered them .
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Post by Mickmack on May 23, 2017 22:48:53 GMT
Ah...i dont agree. Had they stolen it at the death in the first final of 2016, they would have been as deserving as cork in 2010 and dublin in 2011 etc.. I would ignore all the other games in the lead up ....just a means to an end
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Post by thirdson on May 23, 2017 23:18:45 GMT
If bastick had been penalised, if those 2 own goals had nt gone in,if Clarke had been left in goal, if cillian had nt missed that free , if the dastardly dubs had nt mounted a campaign to get keegan black carded, if only someone let mayo win Sam please god we can all relax then.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 24, 2017 5:10:31 GMT
Fair enough. Would they be deserving champions in your view Sorry I was being a bit facetious there but I think they lack the quality . Forwards in particular . Last year I watched their midfield suffer inconsistent periods against Kildare and Tipp. Their match against Tyrone was a masterclass in fearful gutless football . Galway out played them . I think dublin were jaded at the end of the championship and the victory against Kerry took a great deal out of them . I also think the closeness of the score line in the replayed final flattered them . "Deserving" doesn't come into it. If they win they will get the plaudits and the respect.
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Post by Mickmack on May 24, 2017 8:00:23 GMT
Sorry I was being a bit facetious there but I think they lack the quality . Forwards in particular . Last year I watched their midfield suffer inconsistent periods against Kildare and Tipp. Their match against Tyrone was a masterclass in fearful gutless football . Galway out played them . I think dublin were jaded at the end of the championship and the victory against Kerry took a great deal out of them . I also think the closeness of the score line in the replayed final flattered them . "Deserving" doesn't come into it. If they win they will get the plaudits and the respect. So respect hangs on the last second arbitrary decision of the ref.... in your world. I look at things differently. And others do too i would say. Thankfully.
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Post by A.N. Other on May 24, 2017 9:21:30 GMT
Former Glenflesk player Chris Crowley played in the Leinster championship on Sunday. Started and played the whole game in corner back. I believe he was marking Ciaran Lyng and if he was he kept him scoreless from play.
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Post by fivenarow on May 24, 2017 15:35:52 GMT
AOS is a good player but I don't think he'd up on as high of a pedastil if he was playing with kerry or the dubs. Pound for pound Keith Higgins is the star of that team & has been for a long time. Mayos biggest failing has been not having a dynamic midfield paring in the past few years, too much chopping & changing. If they had Brian Fenton or David Moran for one of those games last yr they'd be AI champions now & the curse would gone!!!!
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Post by yourholiness on May 24, 2017 18:07:54 GMT
"Deserving" doesn't come into it. If they win they will get the plaudits and the respect. So respect hangs on the last second arbitrary decision of the ref.... in your world. I look at things differently. And others do too i would say. Thankfully. To be fair the original question was would it have made them a great team . I don't think a one point win over an out of sorts Dublin team in a year when they were beaten by Galway and stumbled past some mediocre opposition would constitute greatness. Dublin of 2011 didn't have that bestowed upon them either despite a more impressive route to the final. I don't think a team must win the All Ireland to gain respect. I respect their doggedness and workmanlike approach . I just don't think they are a great team and I'd be surprised if they landed Sam this year .
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Post by glengael on May 27, 2017 9:55:50 GMT
Interesting to see what kind of Cork team turns up this weekend v Waterford.
Ulster SFC quarter-final-Derry v Tyrone, Celtic Park. Let's go with the crowd and say Tyrone.
London v Leitrim, Ruislip - always potential for an upset here.
Clare v Limerick, Cusack Park- Home advantage may do it for Clare but difficult to call.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 27, 2017 20:13:54 GMT
Interesting to see what kind of Cork team turns up this weekend v Waterford. Ulster SFC quarter-final-Derry v Tyrone, Celtic Park. Let's go with the crowd and say Tyrone. London v Leitrim, Ruislip - always potential for an upset here. Clare v Limerick, Cusack Park- Home advantage may do it for Clare but difficult to call. A sh1te one, to answer your first question.
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