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Post by branch on Jun 25, 2007 23:57:59 GMT
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Post by animal on Jun 26, 2007 8:48:41 GMT
To be honest anyone who had read the excerpt in Saturday's Irish Times would've found the TV interview a bit boring. Jack was reluctant to follow up on the controversial stuff on TV and didn't really add much new of worth. He'd want to be careful that he doesn't come across too much as a guy with major chips on his shoulder. I feel a bit for Pat O'Shea. If someone had come out with a a similar book (giving the inside line on the team tactics etc) the week of a Munster Final when Jack was in charge he'd be the first to give out about it. I am interested in reading the book (afterall it combines kerry football and Tom Humphries' writing, two of my favourite things), however something doesn't sit right with me on this. I hope my mind is changed by reading the book.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 26, 2007 9:16:33 GMT
Going by Amazon the book is "Secrets of the Kingdom"
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Post by buck02 on Jun 26, 2007 9:24:23 GMT
Thats the version available in the US & UK only - in this book he goes into the detail of the colour of each players boxer shorts and which players prefer Sprite Zero to 7-Up.
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Post by Johnnyb on Jun 26, 2007 9:26:15 GMT
dead right animal. billy morgan must be thrilled. he probably has excerpts of the book all over the cork dressing room. free motivation, thanks jack. hes done Pat o Shea absolutely no favours, not that he would want to. hes guilty now of perpetrating the things he accuses other Kery men, notably paidi, of doing to him. its an act of sabotage.
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 26, 2007 9:29:12 GMT
Johnny, the sight of the Kerry jersey is normally enough to motivate Cork...
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Post by Johnnyb on Jun 26, 2007 9:32:15 GMT
Indeed, as is the red rag to the raging green and gold bull. Still why give the rebels any more incentive to beat us than they already have?
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 26, 2007 9:36:13 GMT
You couldn't have too much incentive to beat Kerry!
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Post by Johnnyb on Jun 26, 2007 9:42:48 GMT
A draw is the best you can hope for owen. fact! this Kerry team is just too good for anyone. the only fear is a lack of stiff competition. like they said on the TV the last day, the stongest competion Kerry players face, tends to be from its own bench. I'd be shocked if Cork beat kerry in Killarney.
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 26, 2007 9:47:28 GMT
A draw is the best you can hope for owen. fact! this Kerry team is just too good for anyone. the only fear is a lack of stiff competition. like they said on the TV the last day, the stongest competion Kerry players face, tends to be from its own bench. I'd be shocked if Cork beat kerry in Killarney. And ye wonder where Cork got the motivation to beat ye in the Munster Final last year.....
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 26, 2007 11:31:04 GMT
Yeah but what happened when it really mattered in the semi finals of the last number of years and the kerry players were more motivated than the cork players,as johnny says id be surprised if we're beat but i never expect us to be beat by anyone ...................ever.I do think Cork are a good,well balanced team however but i just think on our day we wouldnt be stopped by any team. We have plenty motivation this year aswell.Pats first year in charge,goin for 2 in a row(4 finals in a row),few new players this year aswell who want to show that they can be a s good as the fellas the replaced. However as last years munster final proved the All Ireland doesnt start for us(and Cork) until the qualifiers or quarter final and we shouldnt read too much into sunday.
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Post by Johnnyb on Jun 26, 2007 11:50:33 GMT
I agree. all thats won or lost on Sunday is bragging rights for a couple of weeks. as i said yesterday, the winner wont have a c'ship game till Aug 11, which is too long a lay off. also, the quality of the "backdoor" teams this year is immense and any team out of that will be dangerous to us, particularly iof we havent played since July 1st. Plenty motivation though this year and hopefully we can do the business, and hammer the rebels along the way...!
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Post by madmac999 on Jun 26, 2007 12:55:48 GMT
Honestly can't wait till Billy Morgan decides its his time to produce a book documenting his truely fantastic career!! Ha ha .. he can have a good whinge at every thing from the colour of the sky to how Kerry didnt deserve to win at least ten of the matches that he lost to them!! Has anyone lost more games to Kerry both as a manager and a player!! He must really hate the sight of us kerry people by now!! We love you Billy you an absolute legend to us kerry people!!
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 26, 2007 12:58:11 GMT
Madmac, I would suggest you check his achievements as a manager and then come back to me....
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Post by peig on Jun 26, 2007 13:36:41 GMT
Honestly can't wait till Billy Morgan decides its his time to produce a book documenting his truely fantastic career!! Now THAT would be highly entertaining...
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 26, 2007 17:04:15 GMT
billy has been putting it up to kerry as a player and manager for 40 years lads........... longer that most of ye are on this earth............
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Post by Owenabue on Jun 26, 2007 17:10:43 GMT
I read that wrong the first time Mickmack and thought you had said he'd been putting up with Kerry. Either way would work I suppose.
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Post by the1theyalllove on Jun 27, 2007 10:10:24 GMT
Picked up my copy of the book yesterday, read the first 70 odd pages last nite, a fantastic read, dont go by the extracts in the papers. cant wait to get stuck into it again this evening!!!
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Post by buck02 on Jun 27, 2007 10:12:18 GMT
Main story in the Kerryman newspaper today if about Jacks book. The back page of the sports section is fully dedicated to it too.
The bit from the book about Pat O Shea being quoted in the Sunday Indo the day of the final last year which Jack describes as "a football man should know better" is a bit ironic given the timing of this book dont you think.
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Post by animal on Jun 27, 2007 11:13:06 GMT
Main story in the Kerryman newspaper today if about Jacks book. The back page of the sports section is fully dedicated to it too. The bit from the book about Pat O Shea being quoted in the Sunday Indo the day of the final last year which Jack describes as "a football man should know better" is a bit ironic given the timing of this book dont you think. agree 100%
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jun 27, 2007 11:20:26 GMT
Jack be nimble: O'Connor fights back in book row
By Colm Keys Wednesday June 27 2007
THE former Kerry football manager Jack O'Connor has challenged assertions in his home county that his autobiography Keys to the Kingdom is negative.
The controversial book has threatened to overshadow the build-up to Sunday's Munster final between Kerry and Cork in Killarney.
Killarney paper The Kingdom published an editorial criticising O'Connor for a "kiss and tell" exercise which they say was "unprecedented" for a Kerry manager.
Current Kerry manager Pat O'Shea is also taken to task in the book for requesting Eoin Brosnan's services for Dr Crokes after he was dropped for the league final last year. O'Connor also questions an interview O'Shea apparently gave last year about the style of football Kerry were playing.
The Kingdom suggests that the book will see O'Connor "lose more friends than gain admirers" but O'Connor responded by urging people to read the book in its entirety and not to form opinions based on selective extracts.
"I would say it is anything but negative. In fact I would say it is extremely positive and complimentary to most people," he said.
O'Connor stood down as Kerry manager early last October having delivered two All-Ireland titles in three years and reached a third final in between.
He said he is not concerned about criticism of his views because they were "just bits and pieces being lifted for convenience".
"The truth of the story is in its entirety," he added.
The Kingdom also carries a front page story about the book relating to a nightclub incident during a team trip in Lanzarote in 2004 when promising minor Dan Doona sustained a broken jaw.
Doona was attempting to protect colleague Declan O'Sullivan but O'Connor admits in the book that he misled reporters about the incident.
"Journalists rang me . . . I lied. I said it was a training incident - no big deal, just a collision," he wrote.
O'Connor also claims in the book he felt hurt and isolated by the behaviour of Kerry legends Mick O'Dwyer and Jimmy Deenihan.
He repeated the claims on RTE's Miriam O'Callaghan Show when he acknowledged he was hurt that O'Dwyer never rang him on his appointment as Kerry coach to wish him well - and that he was stunned when Deenihan publicly expressed the wish that O'Dwyer return as coach.
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The Cahirciveen teacher said he felt the Kerry greats of the 1970s and '80s operated as "a cartel" and none wished him well. The Kingdom editorial was scathing in its assessment of O'Connor's views.
"(There's) an all too obvious negative tone and it hasn't escaped the public's notice that O'Connor has availed of the opportunity to criticise so many people with whom he did not see eye to eye during his three years at the helm of Kerry football.
"O'Connor, as a native of the county, should realise only too well that if the people of Kerry wash their dirty linen in public they always ensure that the quality of the garments cannot be called into question."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2007 11:51:02 GMT
The timing of this is a pity and detracts from the build up to Sundays match. Jack would have been fuming if Paidi had pulled a similar stroke on him.
Whilst a great manager, he is coming across as a bitter man.
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Post by lessbull on Jun 27, 2007 12:21:21 GMT
While I have yet to read the book, I have read several extracts from the papers and from what I have seen he does seem to be a man with many chips on his shoulders. Then again, maybe we, as fans of Kerry football, should be thankful for all those chips because it seems they are what drove him on to bring Kerry to 3 All-Ireland finals in a row. However, I can't help thinking that at times he is being too honest for his own good.
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Post by mjw20 on Jun 27, 2007 16:37:22 GMT
jack should realise that most of d people tha jeered were just trying to change things it was out of frustration so much talent yet no results last year. jack should lose d bitterness and get on with it he is only destroying his own brillant work overd past few years
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Post by tomthetrout on Jun 27, 2007 16:56:59 GMT
all i can say is jack is the man
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 27, 2007 17:25:29 GMT
I read that wrong the first time Mickmack and thought you had said he'd been putting up with Kerry. Either way would work I suppose. touchee! ;D
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Post by kingdomkerry on Jun 27, 2007 17:42:23 GMT
Maybe the whole book should be read before casting judgement but from what ive read he is a man with a chip on his shoulder. To be honest i lost alot of respect for him when he droped brosnan for the final in favour of his clubman. I think everyone knows that was the ugly head of politics in football!
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Post by tyroneperson on Jun 27, 2007 18:11:00 GMT
Brosnan didn't play in the final...I forgot about that, he's a top player.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2007 18:20:33 GMT
the book has got plenty of publicity anyway so sales should be good........... no such thing as bad publicity when you are trying to flog a book
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jun 27, 2007 18:32:49 GMT
Ive had more than a fair share of run ins with jack down through the years, no different to any Sth Kerry members on the board Heres my thoughts, book timing is all wrong, this day next week would be better, Jack and Micko, two guys from the same parish, a lot more than meets the eye here. If he came out with the same ole drivel on certain people as is in other books, you guys would be saying he hadnt the balls to tell the truth, his honesty has to be admired. Finally on the "politics " of last years final, its done and dusted, if Brosnan had started what would the final score have been? Would we have won by more? Would Gooch have called up Declan to lift the cup with him? Would it really matter? Should we move on? Yes. No one should post opinions on the book if they havent read it yet. Its obvious that the papers will/have picked out the juciest bits to create a bit of controversy. The story has to be read as a whole before casting judgement..
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