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Post by Owenabue on Aug 16, 2007 9:46:58 GMT
Well lads, I know I've been missing a few days, but surely ye could have talked about the match in my absents! Well... Cork or Meath??
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Post by gruaigcatach on Aug 16, 2007 9:53:25 GMT
sure they've nothing to discuss owenabue!!! everyone knows that its already down as a meath v dublin final!!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 16, 2007 15:22:53 GMT
Finding this one hard to call - I've gone for Meath in the prediction competition but even after that, I'm not so sure.
The two areas where I feel Meath may have a slight advantage over Cork is in midfield and on the bench. Meath have been using their bench to great effect this year, as was witnessed when they were playing Tyrone. Without Masters, Cork have already had to use one of their main men on the bench in Gould.
Cork will be very hungry for this as they know they are one step away from the biggest All Ireland they will have faced in years - Dublin or Kerry.....Meath will already have one eye on that spot after beating Tyrone.....
But looking at the two team match ups, I feel Meath have an edge in midfield and on the bench and may just shade it.
I wonder who will pick up Geraghty from Cork......will they put a man marker on him?
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Post by buck02 on Aug 16, 2007 15:41:15 GMT
I dont see Meath having an advantage over Cork at midfield if the Cork midfield play up to their potential. Perhaps if Nicholas Murphy imagines in his mind that he's marking Darragh the next day then he will perform to his optimum and give Cork a platform there.
I think Cork have a backline capable of holding the Meath forwards. I wonder will Billy match up our old friend Noel O Leary on Geraghty - there would be some needle off the ball there I'd say. Canty should be well able to hold young O Rourke, Shields will probably mark Bray and he is also a decent corner back.
As i said on an earlier post I think the big unknown is whether the Cork forwards will get enough scores without Masters on the field. I just have a feeling that they will, not so sure why.
I think this Cork team are a few years ahead of Meath in their development. The prospect of beating Kerry or Dublin in a final (while probably equally appealing to both) is probably keeping Billys heart beating at a hundred miles an hour at the moment.
I fancy Cork by one or two points.
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Post by redisthecolour on Aug 17, 2007 8:55:45 GMT
The Rebels to do the business here, but it will be tight. The media has more or less written Cork off completely. They are going into this game with nothing to lose. I believe this is where Cork are going to be at there most dangerous. Yes, they've put in 2 very Mediocre performance's against Louth and Sligo. But there's not much point peaking for those games. It was all about getting the job done.
Now is the time to up it a gear or two. I believe Cork will win midfield and this will starve the Meath forwards of the amount of ball they got against Galway and Tyrone. Also the Cork Backs have rarely been found wanting in the last yr or 2. Should be an intriguing battle here.
I also believe Goulding could make a big impact here. Croke park will suit him as there is so much space. Also, he has a flair for goals. I think he could really benefit from having Cussen beside him. All this lad will hopefully need is one knockdown to go his way.
All said, roll on sunday. Up the Rebels!!!!
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Post by peig on Aug 17, 2007 10:44:30 GMT
I would rate Cork's backs as one of the strongest (if not the strongest) defensive units in the country at the moment. In saying that, from a Cork perspective, I would be particularly worried about the threat that is Stephen Bray. Man marking him would aleviate this threat somewhat. Even though the Geraghty thing is media driven, he's still another threat and can sneak in quite handily for goal chances. Cork's style of play should change now that Goulding is in. To utilise Cussen and to have Goulding run in for the breaking ball could notch up a couple of goals for Cork early on. That depends on how quiet Fay will keep Cussen and up to now, Fay has performed pretty well in the championship. I reckon Canty should take O'Rourke no problem. Although promising, O'Rourke is still only ninteen and Canty's experience should come through in the end. In saying all of the above I still fancy Meath to win a tight game. Cork's performance in the first half against Sligo was worrying and Meath have had better opposition in the run up to this semi final.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 17, 2007 11:05:11 GMT
For a strange reason I would be disgusted with a Kerry-Cork final. Not because I would fear them but because I think it would ruin the game as a spectacle.
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Post by nv011956 on Aug 17, 2007 11:06:58 GMT
I agree with you to a point Peig.Cork's performances since the Munster final have been poorish.I think that they'd even admit that themselves.They will have to up it against a big Meath team who have some excellent players(Bray,Geraghty,Fay etc).However,its hard to know how good Meath are.OK they ran the Dubs to a replay,but Meath-Dublin clashes are always tight affairs.Then they went out and beat Galway.Now in all fairness to Galway I think they have a few lads that are past their sell by date and didn't look to have the hunger for battle.Then on came Tyrone(well a diluted version anyway!).Fair enough they looked very impressive against Tyrone but it wasn't the 2005 version they were up against.Missing McGuigan,O'Neill from the start and Dooher off injured early.Thats a fair amount of talent gone.Still all credit to Meath they put on a very good display and well deserved their win. On the other hand COrk have looked letargic against Louth and Sligo.Maybe they were looking beyond Louth and were nearly caught out,hard to know.However,Sligo were Connaught champs and are no bad team.Masters will be a loss to them but Goulding could cause Meath a few headaches. All in all I think its a fairly 50/50 game.
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Post by Piggy on Aug 17, 2007 12:01:02 GMT
ud wonder can cork only perform their best against the green and gold of kerry??
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Post by kerryman on Aug 17, 2007 12:26:47 GMT
Cork will be very hungry for this as they know they are one step away from the biggest All Ireland they will have faced in years - Don't you mean their ownly all ireland in years? ha ha. (Stick fighting doesn't count in this discussion). By the way I think it'll be a draw or a Cork win. Great clips on Des Cahills show last night. Cork and Meath lamping each other in 87/88. Tompkins and Tony Davis like me possessed.
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Post by Piggy on Aug 17, 2007 14:18:13 GMT
ya it was very good alright,some belting
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Post by kingoftara on Aug 17, 2007 16:11:51 GMT
Should be a nice run out for the lads. Meath by 7 0r 8 points with the Royal swagger in full flow.
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Post by hitman on Aug 17, 2007 20:38:35 GMT
Kieran o connor will most likely mark bray with shields on geraghty. If this is the case geraghty will have a bit of defending to do as shields is well known for popping up in the forwardline at some stage. Corks midfield should be able to cope with crawford and co. nicholas murphy should come to the fore. Whether cork can utilise the man mountain cussen will remain to be seen. A big game will be needed as well from donncha o connor if they are to progress but their lack of another scoring forward in masters absence could be their downfall. Billy will have the well geared up im sure, those games in the late 80s will be his ammunition and he'll have them thinking that its the green and gold of kerry and not meath. should be interesting to see how goulding gets on as he was one of the stars of their u21 side
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Post by pony on Aug 17, 2007 21:33:08 GMT
i see meath being in a similar position as waterford were last weekend against Limerick.
In that waterford overcame a major obsticle in cork.
Meath have done likewise in beating Tyrone(not at full srength i know).
I really feel Waterford thought they were in the final already! Meath could be in the same frame of mind after beating tyrone.
Just a thought.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 18, 2007 9:09:27 GMT
Two big differences I see, Meath wont be playing a 3rd intense game in 3 weeks, and they havent played Cork already this year, which I feel was a significant factor in Limerick winning last week (also in the 2nd Waterford-Cork clash being so titanic/going to a replay)
Ok so it's close enough now to get a feel for this game tomorrow, I think that Cork will have the best of the possession & will really curb the Meath forwards. They will of course miss the Masters Class, or at least the free-taking, which may prevent them doing enough to win. Therefore a very close game, with a draw quite likely Cork will have to find a way to test Fay's pace, rather than trying to use Cussen on him, who will be like a big ship breaking on a rock If Cork stop Meath's ability to win enough possession or have enough time to play the long passing, that will be half the battle. I expect a low-scoring game,but hopefully the weather wont spoil it altogether
I'm hoping for a Meath win, as that will be the best incentive for us to beat Kerry
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 18, 2007 9:30:11 GMT
A dub hoping for a Meath win...well that is a first. Maybe we should start praaying for a Cork in for similar reasons
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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 19, 2007 14:24:41 GMT
I can't see Cork doing it - it's Meath's to lose.
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Post by martym on Aug 19, 2007 15:15:17 GMT
Good First half for Cork .Moyles been missed . Goulding and O Conner going well as is O Rourke .
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Post by Aine on Aug 19, 2007 15:47:29 GMT
1-13 to 0-7. 16 minutes to go. Not what i expected. Nothing going right for Meath.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 19, 2007 15:55:04 GMT
Cork look good but Meath have had nothing going right for them. No pattern of play, no cohesion.....and the tactic of putting Cussen on Fay (if Cork don't know what to do with him, what will the rest of the world know what to do trying to mark him!!) has taken Fay out of the game......although I suspect his half injury has hindered him all day.
So, Cork v Dublin / Kerry. I wouldn't be able to survive playing Cork in an All Ireland final.....I wonder will Noel O'Leary be pulled up by video evidence for the puck on Geraghty?
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Post by Walter Mitty on Aug 19, 2007 16:00:11 GMT
cant believe people on this forum have continued to underrate cork so much....(and overrate meath might i add)....cork will take serious beating
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Post by Aine on Aug 19, 2007 16:11:12 GMT
Never underated cork just thought it would be a closer game.
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Post by peig on Aug 19, 2007 16:18:09 GMT
I wonder will Noel O'Leary be pulled up by video evidence for the puck on Geraghty? My thoughts exactly.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 19, 2007 16:19:03 GMT
cant believe people on this forum have continued to underrate cork so much....(and overrate meath might i add)....cork will take serious beating After the Munster final I thought we'd see them at the semi final (from which it's anybodys game) but their performances against Louth and Sligo had me wondering where they were going with Cussen and what type of game they were playing. Though Moyles wasn't the reason Meath lost today, Cork got a huge foothold early on in midfield and if he had been roving around there, I suspect he may have disrupted the Cork midfield and given Meath at least some of a foothold there.
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Post by hitman on Aug 19, 2007 16:30:21 GMT
Cork dropped 8 or 9 balls into the goalies hands as well if they hadgone over it could been a lot worse for meath. Bray wasnt on song at all with his first 4 shots going wide i believe. great work ethic by the cork lads as well today, noel o leary enjoyed his day out a little too much though
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Post by leesider on Aug 19, 2007 17:55:44 GMT
Cork look good but Meath have had nothing going right for them. No pattern of play, no cohesion.....and the tactic of putting Cussen on Fay (if Cork don't know what to do with him, what will the rest of the world know what to do trying to mark him!!) has taken Fay out of the game......although I suspect his half injury has hindered him all day. So, Cork v Dublin / Kerry. I wouldn't be able to survive playing Cork in an All Ireland final..... I wonder will Noel O'Leary be pulled up by video evidence for the puck on Geraghty?No because the ref saw it and gave him a yellow. It's only when the ref doesn't see it that they can use video evidence. He should have walked, I won't defend what he did but I think it was important that we got stuck into Geraghty early on today. Kieran O' Connor flaked him into the goal net near the end too. ;D
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Post by tabbyie on Aug 19, 2007 18:42:00 GMT
Cork looked good but are they good enough? Meath were very wasteful. Cork took their scores well. Geraghty was hounded but I think he gave as good as he got. Moyles was a loss for Meath and it showed.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 19, 2007 19:06:26 GMT
I don't think he saw it leesider - I believe he was taking the word of the linesman, and in that instance he has the chance to review the booking and amend it if he feels that the correct action wasn't taken. Noel isn't out of the woods yet.
A few thoughts on Cork:
They did just fine without Master.....they weren't looking for him as much and as a result they spread the ball out alot more among the rest of the forwards and did better for it.
Corks midfield did very well, especially considering there was three of them, Murphy, Kavanagh and Cussen, with Pierce O'Neill supporting quite alot. There was always two men in the middle with two moving forward and coming back as needed. We don't have that depth around midfield at the moment, and if, if we were to overcome Dublin, it would be an area we would need to work on.
Cork have let one goal in in ten games!!
They're coming good at the right time this year.
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Post by leesider on Aug 19, 2007 19:31:18 GMT
I don't think he saw it leesider - I believe he was taking the word of the linesman, and in that instance he has the chance to review the booking and amend it if he feels that the correct action wasn't taken. Noel isn't out of the woods yet. A few thoughts on Cork: They did just fine without Master.....they weren't looking for him as much and as a result they spread the ball out alot more among the rest of the forwards and did better for it. Corks midfield did very well, especially considering there was three of them, Murphy, Kavanagh and Cussen, with Pierce O'Neill supporting quite alot. There was always two men in the middle with two moving forward and coming back as needed. We don't have that depth around midfield at the moment, and if, if we were to overcome Dublin, it would be an area we would need to work on. Cork have let one goal in in ten games!! They're coming good at the right time this year. Maybe so but I'd be amazed if he amends it to a red card, I don't think any ref has ever done that before. He'd make himself very unpopular on Leeside if he did and I'd say he just won't want the hassle. On the game itself, the amount of kick-outs we won laid the foundations for victory but we won't get that in the final with Whelan or O' Se around. Donncha O' Connor roasted his man, again asking a lot to repeat that in the final. It's easy to see how we are conceding so few goals, the defending for that chance near the end when the ball came off the crossbar was unbelievable.
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Post by martym on Aug 19, 2007 19:44:37 GMT
Great win by Cork . Who would have seen that margin ,much better side the experience counts . Noel O leary pushed to the limit but should be ok for the final . Meath fell away but maybe Cork are peaking in August compared to June .
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