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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 6, 2007 22:48:59 GMT
Rashers........ losing to Kerry, struggling to beat Louth and then beating a Sligo side that didnt show............ where is the form that makes it 50:50.................. its Meath in the final .......... are you playing mind games again? Why would I? I never judge a team merely on their most recent performances. However, if you recall, I've stated clearly on several occasions that Cork wont win Sam this year. However again, Cork-Meath is always a tight call, traditionally. You wont see Meath play against Cork as they did against Tyrone - unless Coyler is a genius and the team full of prodigies,they will struggle to find momentum as favourites in the pressure cooker of an All-I semi, meanwhile Cork will go at them with great initiative, and a belief that they MUST reach the final this year, or their season has been yet another let-down. These things count for alot, regardless of form, talent, injuries etc, which have all been well-documented & discussed. I fancy the draw, or the narrowest of wins for Cork. I believe Meath will waste alot of possession, and kick an unusual amount of wides PS Cork very unlucky to lose to Kerry, in what I thought was the best game between the sides in many years
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2007 22:51:22 GMT
I felt Kerry didnt overly extend themselves top be honest
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 6, 2007 23:14:02 GMT
Mick, I thought you'd be talking Cork up! But I suppose... most people would assume there is no hope now with Masters gone.
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Post by micky35 on Aug 6, 2007 23:34:32 GMT
Actually Micky35, I looked at the paper again there and Masters had a trapped nerve in his back. Now any of you who ever had anything wrong with their backs (including me) ye will know it is very painful and serious. He is the top scorer in the championship and to suggest he is only average is fairly wide of the mark. He was also second top scorer last year. I’m not making any excuses for him. Many of the Cork team didn’t play well in the quarter final and semi last year, but I’m not going to judge any of them on that. The game was also poor Saturday but individually it would be hard to pick out a player who as you put it choked in Croke Park. As for not having respect because he is from Cork or any other Cork man.... that says it all really about you. When the rest of us blow-ins come on here we show respect for Kerry team and the Kerry players. I’m sure ye wouldn’t be overly impresses if myself, Rashers, Big Mac & co went on about player x, y or z being only average, and believe it or not, I’m sure there are a few Kerry players we might regard as that. Not all the good footballers in Ireland wear a Kerry jersey.... i was a bit over d top when i said he is average he is a very good player but never performs when it matters most. d cork team seems to have peaked for kerry again with poor performances against louth and sligo and good one against kerry. cork will still beat meath as meath are not as good as they think i feel a cork kerry final
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Post by buck02 on Aug 7, 2007 9:11:23 GMT
Even with Masters out Cork are in the perfect position to finally win an all ireland semi final this decade. The whole country is talking Meath up after their win over Tyrone. Even though Tyrone performed poorly on the day, if they'd kept their heads and put the ball over the bar in the 2nd half they'd have won it. Cork have been poor in the last 2 games but will up it for the semi final, the prospect of beating Kerry in the final will ensure that. Masters is a huge loss no doubt but I still think Cork have the forwards to worry Meath but it will mean O Connor, O Neill, Cussen, Goold, McMahon etc all having to perform at the optimum.
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Post by seamus on Aug 7, 2007 10:52:04 GMT
Don't write Masters off yet. A friend in Cork told me today it is not as bad as first thought. Makes you wonder why they said anything about it as a few Meath defenders might like to test his jaw if he is available. Trying to think of the defender who strapped up his left shoulder for a game when it was his right one that was injured. He threw the opposition off the scent and got through the final...
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 7, 2007 10:55:54 GMT
Seamus, I don't think they are making it up. There are loads of pictures of Masters holding his jaw and why would he lie about what the specialist told him? Hopefully it's not, but I mean only for Masters sake, not Corks. No player deserves to lose out on one of the biggest games cos of an injury.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 7, 2007 12:02:14 GMT
Remember when Derek Kavanagh burst his ankle before the 05 semi final? So I suppose we cant be too surprised if Cork are spinning something.
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Post by leesider on Aug 7, 2007 21:57:27 GMT
Remember when Derek Kavanagh burst his ankle before the 05 semi final? So I suppose we cant be too surprised if Cork are spinning something. Well it's now accepted that Kavanagh should not have played in that game as he was clearly not fully fit.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 7, 2007 22:49:33 GMT
Sully, on the Times today Billy Morgan said that the reason Goulding hadn't been playing is cos he is a very similar player to Masters, so I suppose that is the probable answer as to where our scores might come from. Besides that, there are 5 other forwards and most of the rest of the team have scored from time to time. All is not lost... well not yet anyway.
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Post by kerry07 on Aug 8, 2007 1:04:10 GMT
Only fooling yourself Rashers!!!!! Meath are through!!!! Have the Dubs the Balls now !!!!! We'll see shortly.... I dont think they'll want it honestly its choking time again I am afraid....
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Post by Aodhan on Aug 8, 2007 1:08:01 GMT
Trying to think of the defender who strapped up his left shoulder for a game when it was his right one that was injured. He threw the opposition off the scent and got through the final... Clare's Sean McMahon.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2007 8:26:15 GMT
Only fooling yourself Rashers!!!!! Meath are through!!!! Have the Dubs the Balls now !!!!! We'll see shortly.... I dont think they'll want it honestly its choking time again I am afraid.... I agree. Meath are better than Cork with or without James Masters.
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Post by Piggy on Aug 8, 2007 11:51:53 GMT
The meath full forward line is as good as there is out there and will cause cork too many problems!the two lads midfield will at least match kavanagh and murphy aswell which is corks strongest area
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 8, 2007 12:14:55 GMT
I wouldn't go calling the game at this early stage. A lot will depend on the teams named and possibly on the ref.... Meath didn't suddenly become a brilliant team because of beating Tyrone and Cork are still not a bad team after the two previous games. Up to a few weeks ago people were on about the Leinster championship not being competitive yet now there seems to be a change of heart. I would always have said a team are only as good as their last game, which in Corks case isn't great.
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Post by Joxer on Aug 8, 2007 12:23:36 GMT
I wouldn't be getting too worried owenabue...Billy and Cork are in an ideal situation now. Thanks to the media and public reaction to Meaths win last sunday and Corks performance, the only way is up now. Defeat and everyone expected it, win and you shock the nation. I'm not trying to talk Cork up but I genuinely believe they have the ability to defeat Meath but....can Cork perform in Croke Park?...as with previous summers, they seem to let their best form in Munster. I think they will deliver this time and defeat meath, with a huge feather in Billys cap but its going to require a tough, hard performance with spirit such as they showed in Killarney.
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Post by Boris on Aug 8, 2007 12:32:45 GMT
Billy probably has as much love for Meath as he does for Kerry after their rivalry in the late eighties so he will have Cork well up for it.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 8, 2007 12:47:42 GMT
Joxer, even the way people are talking in Cork I'd wonder should I bother going up.... After the Munster final they were all talk about Cork being better this year, and only for the ref not giving a free to Kavanagh at the end we could have won. Then in two poor games and you'd swear Cork were terrible from 1-15. Having Quirke back I felt made a difference the last day. Cork appear to be defending as a team better this year, but to look at it, maybe it looks worse. I still am unsure as to how it might go the next day but only because I didn't watch any of Meath games. I would go with that Cork aren't far of Kerry and Kerry would still be the best team out there as far as I can make out. Of course I could be totally wrong and maybe Cork are actually very poor and their performances against Kerry are only good games we'll ever get out of them.
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Post by Piggy on Aug 8, 2007 14:23:00 GMT
without masters where are the cork scores goin to come from?fair enough goulding is a great prospect but throwing him in the deep end against a hard hitting meath team isnt the best situation for him! from 1 to 9 cork are as good as meath but scores win games and meath have 3 or four forwards who can light up games
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 8, 2007 14:25:05 GMT
Kevin O' Sullivan or John Hayes are also options.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2007 15:12:17 GMT
I am amused a little by the suggestion that Meath or Cork may be "up for it".
Its an all ireland semi final. If that doesnt get a fellow up.......... then he shouldnt be playing.
It will come down to the forwards again and Meaths are better..............
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 10, 2007 22:19:15 GMT
meath v tyrone is on setanta at the moment,tyrone had no gear left after muggsy scored the goal early in the second half to put them a point ahead,just like in '04 v mayo when o neil scored a great goal in the second half again tyrone had no gears left.Thats two years in a row now tyrone have been running on an empty tank,or 3 out of 4 years if you include '04. Holmes plus jordan were taken off, and muggsy was totally off form,mickey harte has his work cut out.
cork v meath will be very interesting,the meath forwards only got one point from play in the second half.
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Post by tyroneperson on Aug 10, 2007 22:51:44 GMT
I think Tyrone still had a chance...we won the breaking balls at the last part of the game by 20 to 5. But yeah, in general i still agree.
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Post by kerry07 on Aug 11, 2007 12:15:08 GMT
IF CORK CANNOT MOVE ON IT PROVES CONCLUSIVELY THAT ALL MORGAN CAN DO WITH THIS CORK SELECTION IS PUT IT UP TO KERRY ONE DAY A YEAR IN MUNSTER AND IN JUNE.THAT MAKES THEM NO BETTER THAN LIMERICK CLARE OR TIPPERARY.
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Post by Walter Mitty on Aug 13, 2007 15:13:22 GMT
Its Cork for me all the way...backed them at 16 /1 at the start of the year and I still see Kerry as the only team capable of beating them. They should have too much strenght in defence and at midlfield for Meath.....
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 13, 2007 18:12:16 GMT
Its Cork for me all the way...backed them at 16 /1 at the start of the year and I still see Kerry as the only team capable of beating them. They should have too much strenght in defence and at midlfield for Meath..... Yeah........ but its scores that count. Where are they going to get 18 points in some share or form
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 13, 2007 22:59:02 GMT
Only fooling yourself Rashers!!!!! Meath are through!!!! Have the Dubs the Balls now !!!!! We'll see shortly.... I dont think they'll want it honestly its choking time again I am afraid.... I agree. Meath are better than Cork with or without James Masters. I dont think Meath are as good as people think. I do agree that they are favourites now against Cork, but I think Cork are a better balanced & overall more experienced team, who will raise their game alot against Meath. Also I think that Meath may choke it. Buck, Dublin have it all to prove
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Post by buck02 on Aug 14, 2007 9:57:42 GMT
Its a very difficult game to call. Meath are over-rated and are especially vulnerable at the back, but one has to wonder do Cork have the class up front to hurt them with Masters out. Corks full back line is good and should be able to keep a firm grip on the Meath inside line.
Personally I'd prefer Meath to win because if Kerry get over Dublin I think they'd be a much easier proposition for us than Cork. Something tells me that Cork will win it, but you also have to ponder if this Cork team a bit like the Waterford hurlers, incapable of winning semi finals?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2007 18:32:24 GMT
The Cork footballers arent being asked to play 3 matches in 14 days
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 14, 2007 18:41:21 GMT
It will be interesting to see the Cork selection. I can’t understand why Daniel Goulding hasn’t been starting on the Cork team to date; I think he looks a class player. If he starts he may make up for the absence of Master’s to an extent. I think there is a massive game in Cork – so I’m going for the rebels to turn over Meath.
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