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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2007 18:56:38 GMT
meath and cork are down to the last four,cork looked terrible today against a very inept sligo team who had nothing to offer up front,1-10 from cork today wont win to many more games this summer.
meath gave some performace in the second game,they were by far the better team,if you take tyrones two goals away tyrone were quiet ordinary again,tyrone failed to win their last league game this spring which was in effect a religation game.The writting has been on the wall for a while,you really cant win the top end games at the business end without players like mcguigan,canavan,o neil,dooher.Eoin mulligan was also poor today apart from his goal.Mickey harte indicated after the game that he would see out his last year next year of his second three year term.
So how good are meath and cork,meath will go in as favourites to win but when you think about it billy is in the perfect position to ambush meath,i bet he knows it too.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 4, 2007 19:11:36 GMT
So how good are meath and cork,meath will go in as favourites to win but when you think about it billy is in the perfect position to ambush meath,i bet he knows it too. my thoughts exactly and if their that good what does it say about the dubs
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Post by JOAN on Aug 4, 2007 20:55:57 GMT
Cork forward were bad today. Cussen was out of it. Meath are young and fast. They will be a worry to Cork. They looked like a team who was studied Tyrone and had their home work done I think they will be well up for Cork. But Corks experience should get them a place in the Final.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 4, 2007 21:16:14 GMT
Meath have been improving all summer. First game was terrible. It must have been so frustrating for a sligo supporter watching your team trying to get rid of the ball to anyone else so they wouldnt have to have a shot at the posts. They were terrible for a team who had quite a bit of the ball.
i backed cork with a 5 point handicap and also to win by 4 to 6 points.
Quite a hsrd call for the semi final but I have a suspicion Meath could rattle cork
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 4, 2007 21:29:12 GMT
I didn't stay for the second game. I take it we'll have our work cut out. Not sure what is happening with Cork. I do hope they improve. To be fair they do appear to be trying to do new stuff... just isn't coming off yet. Although I know I rolled my eyes up to heaven a few times with the shots that appeared to hit the corner flag, at least they are feckin trying to score. Bit more belief and we should do okay... if not, I'll have to get a new interest.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 4, 2007 22:26:11 GMT
james masters seems to be a tad of form,that could be a worry for cork.Cork are not using cussens at all.
from a meath view point, on the current form of both teams and the progress made by meath this summer it would be a huge disappointment for meath not to go through to the final now.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 5, 2007 1:55:11 GMT
*News flash - Rebels in trouble! * Bad news! - James Masters has a broken jaw in two places and looks to be definitely out for the Meath clash. Now Cork your going to have to really dig deep - however, I can't see where your going to get enough scores from now. Looks like the game is up for the rebel footballers over to the hurlers.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Aug 5, 2007 12:55:27 GMT
the only positive i can think of from our point of view was that we were terrible, but still never looked like being in trouble. that and our midfield completely destroyed theirs. we'll need a marked improvement if we are to make a game of the semi final. but meath might be one of the few teams that will get the cork lads fired up. they seemed too laid back for the last two games. hopefully we can get a bigger crowd too for the semi final
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Post by 63587614 on Aug 5, 2007 13:13:59 GMT
Meath looked good yesterday boys. Did anone catch sight of Geraghty swipe withe foot on Cavanagh. Can't wait Kerry v Meath final. Who'd a guessed it.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 5, 2007 15:46:54 GMT
Meath have improved phenomenally this year, I thought the drawn match against ourselves was a one-off for them this year, but Coyler & Co deserve alot of credit, especially considering their injury problems, inexperience etc. Meath now have the advantage of their last two games being hard & an improving quality, not so Cork. Then again, Meath & Cork is quite a rivalry, so i expect a 50-50 game, Cork will believe they should be winning this, as they are further on in development, but they dont have what Meath have - 3 or 4 double All-Ireland medalists in their team
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 5, 2007 23:28:57 GMT
Meath and Cork a 50-50 game mrtierneyesq???
I don’t think you realise what an important player James Master’s has been to Cork. His loss is incalculable to Cork and really they are struggling for top class forwards outside of him. An overdependence on Master’s for scores has been Cork’s major weakness but that is the hand they have been dealt. Given the huge loss of Master’s to Cork – this match is Meath’s to throw away.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2007 8:45:05 GMT
How are Cork in the semi final? By beating Louth and Sligo? Thats slightly better that Tommy Murphy cup form.
Meath are a serious team and its no surprise to me that they have got this far.
Meath are better than Cork because the Meaths forwards are better.
The team with the better forwards win matches................
Losing to Dublin was the making of Meath in many ways.......... now only Cork stand in their way.......to the final
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 6, 2007 9:43:18 GMT
Anybody got the latest odds on this match, I was very surprised after the games on Sat that cork were favourites. Surely with Masters out Meath have to be favourites?
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 6, 2007 10:03:26 GMT
masters is a massive blow to cork now.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 6, 2007 11:44:05 GMT
That's a huge blow to Cork.
Looking at the semi final pairing, and next weekend's quarter final pairing, Colm Coyle has alot to answer for. He has rebuilt Meath within a year, and before that, put the groundwork in place with Monaghan, especially with their division two run.....
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Post by micky35 on Aug 6, 2007 11:48:45 GMT
its a disgrace what o donavan done to masters but due to our brillant system of discipline he will not get punished proprly. one other thing though masters as corks main forward has only scored 4 or 5 points from play in last 2 games against rubbish opposition. his loss will not be as bad as people say.every back in d country knows how to wrap him up.i think donnacha o connor if left inside is more dangerous even though he is not on form. i still think cork will win as meath backs are poor and cork backs are very good. it will be a very though game
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 6, 2007 11:56:24 GMT
i still think cork will win as meath backs are poor Darren Fay was immense on Saturday, giving perhaps the best performance seen in Croke Park this year. What are you on about??
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 6, 2007 11:56:56 GMT
It is bad news alright about Masters. Hopefully he'll be okay, for his own sake. But maybe it will give the other forwards a chance to stand up and be counted. Last year the loss of Canty was being blamed on us not beating ye in the semi final, but I feel this year we have a few good options so hopefully the loss of one player won't have as much bearing on things.
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Post by kerryeye on Aug 6, 2007 18:28:08 GMT
Goulding will surely start in his place.He's a massive loss though for cork.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 6, 2007 19:10:12 GMT
i still think cork will win as meath backs are poor Darren Fay was immense on Saturday, giving perhaps the best performance seen in Croke Park this year. What are you on about?? micheal meehan clean fay out in the galway game in the second half when he won ball out in front of him and ran at him,who was fay marking on sunday stacks?
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 6, 2007 19:29:14 GMT
Micky35, just so you have your facts, Masters had problems with his back before the Louth game and he said himself on the Echo today that he probably shouldn't have played, and he wasn't a 100% either on Saturday. This was before he broke his jaw. He is a good player, and although he is from Cork, a small bit of respect wouldn't go astray.
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Post by watchdehop on Aug 6, 2007 19:47:47 GMT
Tough on Masters who will be a big loss for Cork. Looks like the blow which caused is (if its the one that was shown on TV) wasn't accidental. Cork will probably play Goulding now who is a good prospect but a bit of an unknown quantity at senior. If Billy had used him a bit more earlier on in the Championship he mightn't have to go in cold. The way Cork are set up good backs midfield and defensive half forward line they are hard to beat they stuggle to score also.
Cork also seem to lack a tight corner back which might spell trouble against Bray... Meath will be raging favourites but Cork wont make it easy for them.
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Post by micky35 on Aug 6, 2007 20:35:04 GMT
i still think cork will win as meath backs are poor Darren Fay was immense on Saturday, giving perhaps the best performance seen in Croke Park this year. What are you on about?? fair enough he is good but what was he marking a drained tyrone team and remember d galway game. u should also remember that one average back doesnt make a good unit as we have seen before in d past. fay was a good player not anymore he has d passion and heart. what are u on about???
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Post by micky35 on Aug 6, 2007 20:41:26 GMT
Micky35, just so you have your facts, Masters had problems with his back before the Louth game and he said himself on the Echo today that he probably shouldn't have played, and he wasn't a 100% either on Saturday. This was before he broke his jaw. He is a good player, and although he is from Cork, a small bit of respect wouldn't go astray. a bit of respect to a cork man never!! f ur facts were right each time he has played in croker he has failed to perform.fact. whats d sob story abou his back his back was fine against sligo and he didnt impress. he is an average player he can score with ease if given d time and space.
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Post by martym on Aug 6, 2007 20:42:18 GMT
Yes Masters is worth 4/5 points to Cork . Will Geraghty get a month ban or will the yellow card cover him ?
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 6, 2007 21:32:18 GMT
Micky35, come back to me when you have something worth while to say.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 6, 2007 22:12:22 GMT
Actually Micky35, I looked at the paper again there and Masters had a trapped nerve in his back. Now any of you who ever had anything wrong with their backs (including me) ye will know it is very painful and serious. He is the top scorer in the championship and to suggest he is only average is fairly wide of the mark. He was also second top scorer last year. I’m not making any excuses for him. Many of the Cork team didn’t play well in the quarter final and semi last year, but I’m not going to judge any of them on that. The game was also poor Saturday but individually it would be hard to pick out a player who as you put it choked in Croke Park. As for not having respect because he is from Cork or any other Cork man.... that says it all really about you. When the rest of us blow-ins come on here we show respect for Kerry team and the Kerry players. I’m sure ye wouldn’t be overly impresses if myself, Rashers, Big Mac & co went on about player x, y or z being only average, and believe it or not, I’m sure there are a few Kerry players we might regard as that. Not all the good footballers in Ireland wear a Kerry jersey....
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 6, 2007 22:15:57 GMT
Meath and Cork a 50-50 game mrtierneyesq??? I don’t think you realise what an important player James Master’s has been to Cork. His loss is incalculable to Cork and really they are struggling for top class forwards outside of him. An overdependence on Master’s for scores has been Cork’s major weakness but that is the hand they have been dealt. Given the huge loss of Master’s to Cork – this match is Meath’s to throw away. When I submitted this post, I didnt know he was out. Hard to see Cork overcome it. but Meath will not like being made favourites at all at all, they have not learned to deal with it, and Cork/Billy Morgan will find some way to somewhat compensate for the loss of his main man. Still, who will take the frees? That's the biggest blow for any team.....
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2007 22:38:55 GMT
Rashers........ losing to Kerry, struggling to beat Louth and then beating a Sligo side that didnt show............ where is the form that makes it 50:50.................. its Meath in the final .......... are you playing mind games again?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 6, 2007 22:48:01 GMT
Rashers........ losing to Kerry, struggling to beat Louth and then beating a Sligo side that didnt show............ where is the form that makes it 50:50.................. its Meath in the final .......... are you playing mind games again? Why would I? I never judge a team merely on their most recent performances. However, if you recall, I've stated clearly on several occasions that Cork wont win Sam this year. However again, Cork-Meath is always a tight call, traditionally. You wont see Meath play against Cork as they did against Tyrone - unless Coyler is a genius and the team full of prodigies,they will struggle to find momentum as favourites in the pressure cooker of an All-I semi, meanwhile Cork will go at them with great initiative, and a belief that they MUST reach the final this year, or their season has been yet another let-down. These things count for alot, regardless of form, talent, injuries etc, which have all been well-documented & discussed. I fancy the draw, or the narrowest of wins for Cork. I believe Meath will waste alot of possession, and kick an unusual amount of wides
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