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Post by scoobydo on Aug 12, 2007 19:47:36 GMT
Well? What do we think? A big improvement required after today. Will the match stand to us or do the signs look bad for a crack at the jacks?
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 12, 2007 21:22:02 GMT
Dubs have to be the favourites now....just how I like it.
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Post by noreenos on Aug 13, 2007 1:57:39 GMT
Scoobydo I think the match will stand to us and we need more of the same.
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Post by KevinT on Aug 13, 2007 6:22:56 GMT
Cant believe it ! Just checked Paddy Powers , not only are we favourites to beat the dubs but we're still favourite to keep Sam. ! Hard to have that much confidence after yesterday.
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Post by dec on Aug 13, 2007 6:47:56 GMT
Of course we are still favorites.. The bookies will hardly change the odds much if they know they will lose a lot of money should Kerry go on to win the All Ireland.. Look Kerry were really bad yesterday....but Monaghan and Dublin are different teams with very different styles.. The Dubs will play their own style. They wont try to stop Kerry much unless they change their tactics big time... Our forwards like the Dublin forwards will have plenty of room.. Im not even sure if Gooch was playing yesterday such was his influence. Several other players made the same contribution.. To blame it all on rustiness would be naive. Some flaws appeared in the Kerry team. The forwards couldnt get going at all..Defence not cohesive... There will be no complaceny facing the Dubs now.. It all comes down to footballing style... Dublin wont try to stop Kerry from getting their flow going as much as Monaghan did yesterday and well I think that will be the difference. Kerry will be allowed to express themselves better against the Dubs and all complacency and cobwebs will have diminished.. Cant expect Kerry to turn things around dramatically in one game..but I think there are not enough reasons still to dismantle them from the favoritism tag for the Semi final and even overall.. At the start of the year if people said...the last four would be Kerry, Dublin, Meath, Cork...nobody would say Kerry could lose.. Its surely not as straight forward now...but you would be a brave man to bet against Kerry. They have beaten Cork and Monaghan now..They are big enough scalps and lots of improvement ahead.. Thats all I have to say for now!!
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Post by Admin on Aug 13, 2007 6:49:28 GMT
I think anyone who watched today and yesterdays game, would agree we will need a marked improvement to beat the Dubs. We were very lucky to come away with a win and even a draw may have flattered us. I think big match experience stood to us in the vital last 10 minutes and some good substitutions made the difference (Marc O'Se's block down was a major turning point as well). I can't remember another time seeing this Kerry team make so many simple errors like I saw in the first half. There was alot of dropped ball (Tom O'Sullivan was guity of a few) and poorly directed foot passes (Darragh O'Se's sideline pass comes to mind). Of course the weather was very bad but I think teams have had plenty of practice in the wet this 'summer' we are having. The 6 week lay off was also a problem and this is something the GAA need to look at. However the main thing is we are through to the Semi's and I don't think we picked up any injures apart from Galvin who I'm told has his arm in a sling. I do feel there is a need for a bit of a shake up to freshen up the team and to cover the obvious weaknesses in the team. If we don't the Dubs will definitely capatilise. Heres what I think we should do : Start with Bryan Sheehan instead of MFR. He looked very lean and sharp when he came on. We will gain a better free kick taker and Bryan is a better ball winner especially the 50/50's which MFR always seems to lose. The Dubs are going to very physical and it may turn into a shoot out between him and vaughan. I think Griffin, fitness permitting has a role to play. I don't think Reidy will be up to it the next day. I would put Griffin centre back and have Aidan man mark Bernard Brogan who looks to be Dublins best forward this year. Marc can man mark Alan Brogan and I'd put Killian back in the corner(with the Dubs rotating he'll probably end up all over the place anyway) I wouldnt be too worried about Tom O'Sullivan at full back. He will be facing a good player in Keaney but Tom is a man for the big occasion and I can't see him making so many errors as he did today. I think Scanlon is worth another run at midfield. What do you reckon yourselves? The Sunday game boys, Tohill and Mcstay have predicted a Meath v Dublin final. And Paidi tips Dublin too......... to win it put. Dublin play a more open expansive game and it may suit Kerry. Bernard Brogan must be man marked. Also........ no fouling within 65 metres of the posts. Kerry are really up against it now to be honest........... Do Kerry want it enough this year? We know Dublin do.
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Post by nk05 on Aug 13, 2007 8:28:57 GMT
I can see the forwards & midfield staying the same but the backs could line up as m o'se o'sullivan o'mahony t o'se griffin young
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 13, 2007 9:14:05 GMT
Gooch did well yesterday and showed for some hard ball. Like i said in another post maybe we should try tommy at full back or even brosnan as i think his suited to it. A great fielder and pacy, it would let our two man markers of marc and tom sullivan get on with the job of marking vaughan and brogan, I think whatever happends brosnan shouldnt start in the forwards the next day, Thought he was very poor. I think kerry only played so much high ball into donaghy yesterday as to avoid being clogged up by the blanket defence. There will be less swarming and funnelling back against dublin so i expect kerry to play the corner men a lot more. Id move declan to centre forward and sean ban on the wing. And eith drop brosna or move him to centre or full back
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Post by Piggy on Aug 13, 2007 9:39:34 GMT
Brosnan at center back is something we should try out alright,wouldnt do full back at all though. whats all the doom and gloom about the game yesterday anyway,monaghan have proven themselves to be a top team in the county and were really fired up for the game.the six week break had a big effect on the kerry team aswell so to beat them was a massive result. agree with dec the dubs will play an open game which will suit us down to the ground.when it comes to pure football we're the best team in the country by a long distance.
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Post by kerry07 on Aug 13, 2007 9:50:53 GMT
I am no panicked this morning. Bring Aidan back Tommy to centre back drop Russell . Eoin needs to see the bench and he might make it back for the final. Team Mark/Tom/ Aidan Tomas/ Tommy/ killian Darra/Seamus (Michael ) Paul (if fit)/ Declan/Sean Brian/kieran/Colm Bros to come in and also Darren. We have to decide if Quill is in or out finally. We need to vary it more and work on better ball handling for the next fortnight. I am happier with a team that comes from behind to win by one than one who hangs on to win by a few. WE WONT BE BEATEN...THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS PAULS INJURY One last thought has Mossy Lyons has something to offer ? I think he might By the way our support yesterday was terrible did we have 8000 there. Time to start getting behind this team.
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Post by scoobydo on Aug 13, 2007 9:55:58 GMT
Time to look after the 8000 or whatever was there yesterday for the semi final first before the rest come along and pick up all the tickets.
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Post by kerry07 on Aug 13, 2007 10:04:57 GMT
Here her scoobydo produce the stubs and give the tickets to real supporters.dont have them
begging in Sept watching the prawn sandwiches and up for the final brigade strolling in and
booing whe things go wrong....dont start me going !!!!!!
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Post by pony on Aug 13, 2007 10:14:39 GMT
8000 lads? thats wishfull thinking, id say 5000 at most!
must say it was the worst showing from the kerry fans in a long time.
produce the stubs get the tickets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by scoobydo on Aug 13, 2007 10:15:10 GMT
I wouldn't even think about September, the Semi Final is going to be a sell out and the people that were there yesterday should be looked after for the more glamorous match against Dublin. Those that decided that they'd wait for another day are welcome to the balance of the tickets.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 13, 2007 10:21:16 GMT
I was sitting next to a kerry man, and there was a few behind me. the rest of the people in there were either Monaghan or else supporting them. Thinking about it, how we won that game yesterday given the weather/lack of support for/amount of support against (and not just monanghan fans, waterford and limerick fans were baying for our blood)/6 week suspension for winning Munster title/a forward line sound asleep etc etc. Miracle men.
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Post by nk05 on Aug 13, 2007 10:21:17 GMT
Any news on the galvin injury??will he be fit in 2 weeks?
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Post by gruaigcatach on Aug 13, 2007 10:28:31 GMT
i'm probably in the minority here in cork but i hope ye beat the dubs. i just dislike them more that kerry!! i think ye will beat them if ye can just be a bit tighter in the full back line. thought reidy and tom o'sullivan were all over the place yesterday. neither of them looked at all comfortable. if ye line out with the same backs against dublin, a poisitional switch or two will be necessary. let marc take up alan brogan, and swap reidy in to the other corner on vaughan. vaughan has been brilliant all year from frees but one good goal aside, has done relatively little from play all year. outside let tomás take up bernard brogan, and young can follow moran all overthe pitch. let the o'sé and brogan brothers go toe to toe. whoever wins that battle of the brothers might have done enough to see their team into a final. i dont think the o'sé's would do everything to ensure that they remain as the premier footballing brothers
as much as i dislike him, i think galvin is a big loss for ye. presume sean o'sullivan will come in, but he is a player i would have in anyway
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Post by seamus on Aug 13, 2007 10:35:06 GMT
According to Murt on Radio Kerry Galvin is in a sling and is going for a scan this morning. Not looking good.
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Post by hatchetman on Aug 13, 2007 11:33:05 GMT
Was surprised they didn't try Gooch on the forty for a while yesterday as he was getting so little ball in the corner. Havng said that himself and Mike Frank tended to stay very close to Donaghy which resulted in a very congested penalty area making it difficult to catch the ball cleanly. They might have been better to occasionally play the ball to the corner and try and make it a little less predictable for the opposing defenders. Brian Sheehan did very well yesterday and while it will be tempting to start him against the dubs I think he may be more effective as a sub. He lacks real pace but later in a game when the opposition start to tire this isn't such a big issue.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 13, 2007 11:50:59 GMT
Brosnan should start against Dublin. Brosnan is going to destroy Cullen for pace so hopefully Kerry can convert that advantage into scores. Tom O'Sullivan should get the better of Keaney and I'd have no worries about Marc Ó Sé on Alan Brogan either. Kerry half-backs look better than the Dublin half-forward as well. If Darragh Ó Sé and the Kerry forwards can play to what they're capable of then Kerry should win. It's great to have the option of Sean O'Sullivan, Darren O'Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan if Galvin is injured. Kerry should surely get 15,000 tickets which will be more than enough going by the Kerry's attendance in the semi-finals for each of the last 7 years.
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Post by seamus on Aug 13, 2007 13:24:06 GMT
My thoughts too KerryNorth. I will be surprised if that is not the team. Sheehan and MFR could go either way but sheehan might give more from the bench.
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Post by mossiemag on Aug 13, 2007 13:31:48 GMT
I think we have major problems in the full back line. In Fairness we only settled down a bit on sunday when mahony went in there. I tought scanlon was poor at mid field, once it got within the 45 he froze.. dara was out of the game for long spells too. i would go with
marc, mahony, sullivan tomas, tommy, killian dara, bryan sean s, dec, s galvin/brosnan Mf, star, colm
i know my changes major, but the subs that came on won the game for us and deserve a chance for the contrubtion.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 13, 2007 13:59:12 GMT
I think only a few minor tweaks are needed to the team. Reidy is a player for the future. A start against Dublin would give him great experience for the future. The only real change needed is an improvement in performance by about 8 of the players from the Monaghan game in particular D Ó Sé, Reidy, Tom O'S, Aidan, Donaghy, MFR, Brosnan and Gooch. Happy enough with the performance of the other 7 except Galvin who I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to because of injury. All 4 substitutions worked well and this is now a vital element to this Kerry team. Very few players have turned around a poor first half into a good second half so I think the substitutions can be made earlier on rather than with 10 minutes to go. We need a few new leaders out there besides the Ó Sé's. People who can inspire those around them and do more than just the job they're meant to do i.e. someone to replace Moynihan. Am I right in thinking that the goals against Cork and Monaghan were both set up by Killian Young? If so perhaps he can be our secret weapon against Dublin!
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Post by tabbyie on Aug 13, 2007 14:39:19 GMT
Was at the game yesterday and was a bit surprised at the lack of supporters from Kerry there. Very poor. We'll see all the "Lá breá" supporters out in force on the 26th.
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Post by A.N. Other on Aug 13, 2007 15:43:22 GMT
Anyone buying or selling tickets???Haha if they come on Ticketmaster somebody post it up here!!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 13, 2007 23:13:36 GMT
Let the fun begin! ;D
I think yesterday's game couldnt have worked out better for Kerry, and fair play to yis, it could easily have been defeat. Monaghan surprised me, but it was a low-scoring game & the 6-week break is an outrageous handicap at this stage of the championship.
I believe both teams have alot to improve on, but the big difference is that most of this Kerry team have been there done that, they have no fear that they "can win", for Dublin it's a huge psychological barrier, not just to beat Kerry, but to get to a final. Even if Dublin play really well (I think they will), and even if they get into a position to win, can they close it out? The signs were not good against Kerry.
Strangely enough, I think Dublin would better coming from behind.
My main fear is that Dubs will go out and try to play too conservative, especially considering the way it went in the first half in each of the last 2 meetings with Kerry - whirlwind attack, but not enough scores. I think Dublin's strength is to attack and attack, playing a careful game will hand the initiative to Kerry, and it's very hard to get it back
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 13, 2007 23:51:42 GMT
The hard call should then be made after 20mins if MFR or Brosnan ain't performing and throw someone in before half time. (or anyone else for that matter, but these two are worth another run, and I'd expect they'll up their games) Second to some performances yesterday, this was Kerrys greatest weakness and will have to be addressed for the Dublin game. The time it took us to make decisions on the sideline was far too slow and when you consider that the same happened against Cork (cue Darragh O'Se going over to the sideline during the Cork game to point out Tom Sull getting completely lost when he left the full back spot - Tom was back on the spot within a minute of Darragh trotting over!!), then this, and the apparent loss of form by Brosnan plus the lenght of time Reidy stayed on the pitch were of greatest concern to me.
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Post by mozzy on Aug 14, 2007 1:59:28 GMT
austinstacksabu - bang on with your comments as usual. It appears that the new Management are afraid of upsetting the cart - they obviously are over reliant on the regular "star" performers. Pat O Shea will have to be more assertive the next time against the Dubs - mix the play up with low ball into the corners and allow Mike and Colm do as they do best - send in the long ball when it makes sense. Sean had an opportunity yesterday to put a pint over when he sent it high into the far corner and over Donaghy's head and wide - it was as if they were programmed to send high ball in - All 15 of these players are capable of carrying ball and pinting - they do week after week for their counties. If the plan doesn't change and they don't make some quick subs with more confidence - we could be in trouble against the Boys In Blue. One final point - that was a super ball into Scanlon and he just stopped - obviously not used to working with Cooper's magic - If it had been Declan or even Eoin - would have been a goal.
This team is capable of great things - all they need is the management to recognize the individuals and plan for their best positions -
They should be reading this post and taking notes from Austinstacksabu....
Slain anois as Sunny San Diego - I watch the games at 6:00 AM in the morning out here...
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2007 9:35:52 GMT
i suppose it has nothing to do with the fact that mike mac,seamus,eamonn,donal,william and dara all central spinal players have retired in the last 2 or 3 years and that kerry have played in 6 all-ireland finals(including replay v galway) since september '00 and have only played 2 championship games in 18 weeks this year.
its easy to be critical,whisper and point fingers,give the lads a bit of space and let them get on with it,they might even surprise some and have a stormer the next day,or else they might as a collective group have gone to well too many times.
thats the intrige of the semi final clash with dublin,we dont know how they will respond,maybe thats not a bad way to be preparing to face the dubs,theres nothing like a crisis to concentrate the minds.You would feel the pendilum has swung in dublins favour now,they will go in as hot favourite to win,its theirs now to step up to the plate and play themselves to the title of all-ireland champions,roy curtis thinks its a done deal anyway,mean while leave the cute hoors below in the kingdom to get on with it.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 14, 2007 9:44:22 GMT
Dublin will play football against us the next day, there wont be any repeat of the sh!te we saw last Sunday. Thats not to say they wont hit us because I think that this Dublin team are obsessed with proving they are "men", Shane Ryan and Paul Casey spring to mind.
There are many question marks hanging over Kerry that we wont know the answer to until the sh!t hits the fan on Sunday week. Is it a year similar to 01, reigning champions, not hitting the heights of the previous year, struggling in the 1/4 final only to be totally ambushed in the semi final? Or have Kerry been gearing up all year for this 5 week spell between the 1/4 final and final to be spot on in terms of fitness, sharpness and freshness.
As I said we'll know on Sunday week.
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