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Post by delorean on Apr 18, 2012 11:01:52 GMT
I wouldn't praise the Cork system too much! There is a of back door system of sorts as well, a mental system actually that I don't fully understand. Duhallow had lost their opening match and I think they got a bye through their back door round. I think it was UCC's first game out and they don't get a second chance.
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Post by glengael on Apr 18, 2012 12:46:10 GMT
I wouldn't praise the Cork system too much! There is a of door system of sorts as well, a mental system actually that I don't fully understand. Duhallow had lost their opening match and I think they got a bye through their back door round. I think it was UCC's first game out and they don't get a second chance. That seems a bit weird alright delorean . I've tried to follow how the Cork Championship but its not the easiest to get to grips with.
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Post by veteran on Apr 18, 2012 18:17:46 GMT
I pressume nobody will be too bothered about the right of UCC to participate in the Cork county championship in 2012. I suspect that topic will not be discussed again until they next win the trophy!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 21:56:21 GMT
Why would you be bothered if they lose in the first round. Good result for Cork clubs.
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Post by delorean on Apr 19, 2012 8:38:14 GMT
Many a Cork person would have as little time for the divisional teams participation as the colleges. It's only natural that a college's success in the competition would bring the debate to a head.
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Post by abhaindhu on Apr 20, 2012 13:44:36 GMT
Decided to go see this game. A friend of mine was playing with Duhallow. UCC were rather disappointing. Never got going. Johnny Buckley was the best of the Kerry lads. Peter Crowley was ok, Shane Enright was only fair. Brian Moran had a very poor game while up front Cox was ok. Not as good as he can be but hardly surprising since he had never played with many of these players before. Paul Geaney, Gavan O'Grady and JB Spillane were all injured. Huge losses to UCC. For Duhallow Donnacha O'Connor was excellent at midfield. Didnt score from play but hit five frees. Very good in open play though. Jack Cott did wreck up front scoring 1-3 from play.
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Post by truthseeker on Apr 20, 2012 14:50:03 GMT
Decided to go see this game. A friend of mine was playing with Duhallow. UCC were rather disappointing. Never got going. Johnny Buckley was the best of the Kerry lads. Peter Crowley was ok, Shane Enright was only fair. Brian Moran had a very poor game while up front Cox was ok. Not as good as he can be but hardly surprising since he had never played with many of these players before. Paul Geaney, Gavan O'Grady and JB Spillane were all injured. Huge losses to UCC. For Duhallow Donnacha O'Connor was excellent at midfield. Didnt score from play but hit five frees. Very good in open play though. Jack Cott did wreck up front scoring 1-3 from play. Any sign of Jamie O'Sullivan there?
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Post by backmest on Apr 26, 2012 11:01:42 GMT
Just wondering if anyone who knows where the following players are from they were Sigerson Cup winning captains with UCC from Kerry John Keane 1988, Niall Savage 1994 and Paul O'Keeffe 1995. Also UCC last 4 Sigerson winning captains have been from Kerry the 3 above and Adrian Greaney in 2011
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Post by playitfair on Apr 26, 2012 11:43:39 GMT
Off hand, I know Niall Savage (Kerins O'Rahillys)
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Post by veteran on Apr 26, 2012 11:55:46 GMT
Backmest,
I am not sure but that John Keane may have been from Kenmare.
Paul O'Keeffe , I have no idea but I wonder if it is the same Paul O'Keeffe who is the current UCC coach. That Paul O'Keeffe is from Cork, St. Finbarr's I think. Some of our Cork brethren may be able to help
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Post by dring on Apr 29, 2012 18:33:03 GMT
John Keane Kenmare was a Kerry minor in 81 I think It is the same Paul O keeffe but I think he may be a Kerryman
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Post by delorean on Apr 17, 2013 9:54:26 GMT
Peter Crowley scored UCC's goal in a 1-12 to 0-07 win over Avondhu in the Divisional/Colleges section of the Cork County Championship.
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Post by peanuts on Apr 17, 2013 17:01:14 GMT
John Keane Kenmare was a Kerry minor in 81 I think It is the same Paul O keeffe but I think he may be a Kerryman Is he father of Shaun and Conor?
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Post by ruralgaa on Apr 17, 2013 17:18:27 GMT
John Keane Kenmare was a Kerry minor in 81 I think It is the same Paul O keeffe but I think he may be a Kerryman Is he father of Shaun and Conor? Yes he is
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 17, 2013 20:03:34 GMT
Off hand, I know Niall Savage (Kerins O'Rahillys) Niall was indeed from Strand Road but I think he had a problem with his back and never really developed as a senior footballer; his nephew Jack is centre forward on current Kerry minor team.
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Post by diego on Apr 29, 2013 9:32:08 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ucc-legend-fitzgerald-receives-sigerson-medal-25-years-later-229806.htmlUCC legend Fitzgerald receives Sigerson medal – 25 years later Monday, April 29, 2013 - By Denis Hurley Have you heard the one about the Sigerson Cup winner who had to wait a quarter of a century to receive his medal? On Saturday, at Rochestown Park Hotel in Cork, the UCC team which won the 1988 Sigerson celebrated their silver jubilee, and one of the stars of the win, Kerry legend Maurice Fitzgerald, was finally presented with his memento of the win, having missed the ceremony 25 years ago. Des Cullinane, a selector to that victorious side under manager Bob Honohan, arranged for a new medal to be minted for the two-time All-Ireland winner, and he recalls the effect the Caherciveen man had, despite his youth. “In the quarter-final, we played Jordanstown, who were the champions of the previous two years, and even though Maurice was only a fresher, he was the star of the show. “Jordanstown were a star-studded team but Maurice kicked 12 frees that day and got 12 points and we won 0-13 to 0-10, and he did something similar when he played in a Kerry-Cork match for the first time later that year, so he was a huge talent even then.” County commitments proved to be the impediment which stopped Fitzgerald from collecting his medal, though. “After Jordanstown, we beat the hosts Maynooth and then UCG in the final, and Maurice was one of the main stars,” Cullinane said. “He got on the combined Sigerson team, but because we presented the medals on a Tuesday night and he had to go home for Kerry training, he ended up never being presented with the medal. “Maurice is such a quiet guy, he didn’t make any big issue out of it. He wouldn’t be the kind of fella to go screaming and shouting looking for it to be presented. When the notion of a reunion came up, I said that it’d be the perfect opportunity to put it right. Ivan Ahern got his medal for me and we handed it in to Gerald McCarthy, who made a copy for Maurice.”
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Post by glengael on Apr 29, 2013 12:10:21 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ucc-legend-fitzgerald-receives-sigerson-medal-25-years-later-229806.htmlUCC legend Fitzgerald receives Sigerson medal – 25 years later Monday, April 29, 2013 - By Denis Hurley Have you heard the one about the Sigerson Cup winner who had to wait a quarter of a century to receive his medal? On Saturday, at Rochestown Park Hotel in Cork, the UCC team which won the 1988 Sigerson celebrated their silver jubilee, and one of the stars of the win, Kerry legend Maurice Fitzgerald, was finally presented with his memento of the win, having missed the ceremony 25 years ago. Des Cullinane, a selector to that victorious side under manager Bob Honohan, arranged for a new medal to be minted for the two-time All-Ireland winner, and he recalls the effect the Caherciveen man had, despite his youth. “In the quarter-final, we played Jordanstown, who were the champions of the previous two years, and even though Maurice was only a fresher, he was the star of the show. “Jordanstown were a star-studded team but Maurice kicked 12 frees that day and got 12 points and we won 0-13 to 0-10, and he did something similar when he played in a Kerry-Cork match for the first time later that year, so he was a huge talent even then.” County commitments proved to be the impediment which stopped Fitzgerald from collecting his medal, though. “After Jordanstown, we beat the hosts Maynooth and then UCG in the final, and Maurice was one of the main stars,” Cullinane said. “He got on the combined Sigerson team, but because we presented the medals on a Tuesday night and he had to go home for Kerry training, he ended up never being presented with the medal. “Maurice is such a quiet guy, he didn’t make any big issue out of it. He wouldn’t be the kind of fella to go screaming and shouting looking for it to be presented. When the notion of a reunion came up, I said that it’d be the perfect opportunity to put it right. Ivan Ahern got his medal for me and we handed it in to Gerald McCarthy, who made a copy for Maurice.” A great story and a sign of the humility that was the mark of Maurice.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 29, 2013 16:36:43 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/ucc-legend-fitzgerald-receives-sigerson-medal-25-years-later-229806.htmlUCC legend Fitzgerald receives Sigerson medal – 25 years later Monday, April 29, 2013 - By Denis Hurley Have you heard the one about the Sigerson Cup winner who had to wait a quarter of a century to receive his medal? On Saturday, at Rochestown Park Hotel in Cork, the UCC team which won the 1988 Sigerson celebrated their silver jubilee, and one of the stars of the win, Kerry legend Maurice Fitzgerald, was finally presented with his memento of the win, having missed the ceremony 25 years ago. Des Cullinane, a selector to that victorious side under manager Bob Honohan, arranged for a new medal to be minted for the two-time All-Ireland winner, and he recalls the effect the Caherciveen man had, despite his youth. “In the quarter-final, we played Jordanstown, who were the champions of the previous two years, and even though Maurice was only a fresher, he was the star of the show. “Jordanstown were a star-studded team but Maurice kicked 12 frees that day and got 12 points and we won 0-13 to 0-10, and he did something similar when he played in a Kerry-Cork match for the first time later that year, so he was a huge talent even then.” County commitments proved to be the impediment which stopped Fitzgerald from collecting his medal, though. “After Jordanstown, we beat the hosts Maynooth and then UCG in the final, and Maurice was one of the main stars,” Cullinane said. “He got on the combined Sigerson team, but because we presented the medals on a Tuesday night and he had to go home for Kerry training, he ended up never being presented with the medal. “Maurice is such a quiet guy, he didn’t make any big issue out of it. He wouldn’t be the kind of fella to go screaming and shouting looking for it to be presented. When the notion of a reunion came up, I said that it’d be the perfect opportunity to put it right. Ivan Ahern got his medal for me and we handed it in to Gerald McCarthy, who made a copy for Maurice.” Maurice scored 10 points in that '88 Munster Final on a Kerry team in transition, he was only a few weeks over age for minor football that year. As a young player around that age his footballing brilliance and skill off either leg from the hand or from the ground was unprecedented. He simply belonged to another universe in terms of footballing brilliance. I don't believe we will see his kind again. On another thread someone recently posted up the result from the Kerry Cavan NFL in '97 played in NY. Maurice scored 1-10 out of 1-11 that evening. Therein lies the tale and begining of a questioning of Maurice the footballer, whch developed during '98 and with the Munster Final defeat of '99. By '99 the Kerry attack had ground to standstill. It have become totally dependent on everything going through Maurice and ultimately broke down. Paidi recognised this and went about rectifying it. Maurice became marginalised during '00 and '01 and had departed in '02. I don't believe any of the great Kerry forwards of the current era come anyway near Maurice in terms of possessing the complete footballling package to play in positions 8 to 15 in intercounty football. The '97 final was a celebration of Maurice the footballing genuis, it is a real shame he didn't arrive during either of the great Kerry times since '75. Football's loss, it is mind boggling to consider what he would have done on the forty between '75-'86 or '00-'12.
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 30, 2013 12:25:45 GMT
I agree 100% Kerrygold, Maurice could have been a top player anywhere from 8-15.
In his book Pat Spillane said that Maurice wouldn't have fitted into the Golden Years team because his style of play was too individual. I thought that was unfair. If he was individual it was because lesser mortals wanted to pass to him at all times as you say. Mayo with Ciaran MacDonald had the same tendency. They always looked to pass to him.
Brian Lacey in 1998 and Mark O'Connor in 1999 curtailed Maurice. I still think that there was a lot of persistent fouling both days but it went unpunished.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 30, 2013 15:01:31 GMT
Maurice scored 10 points in that '88 Munster Final on a Kerry team in transition, he was only a few weeks over age for minor football that year. As a young player around that age his footballing brilliance and skill off either leg from the hand or from the ground was unprecedented. He simply belonged to another universe in terms of footballing brilliance. I don't believe we will see his kind again. On another thread someone recently posted up the result from the Kerry Cavan NFL in '98 played in NY. Maurice scored 1-10 out of 1-11 that evening. Therein lies the tale and begining of a questioning of Maurice the footballer, whch developed during '98 and with the Munster Final defeat of '99. By '99 the Kerry attack had ground to standstill. It have become totally dependent on everything going through Maurice and ultimately broke down. Paidi recognised this and went about rectifying it. Maurice became marginalised during '00 and '01 and had departed in '02. I don't believe any of the great Kerry forwards of the current era come anyway near Maurice in terms of possessing the complete footballling package to play in positions 8 to 15 in intercounty football. The '97 final was a celebration of Maurice the footballing genuis, it is a real shame he didn't arrive during either of the great Kerry times since '75. Football's lose, it is mind boggling to consider what he would have done on the forty between '75-'86 or '00-'12. That was in 1997. Rudy Giuliani threw the ball in.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 30, 2013 18:39:39 GMT
Maurice scored 10 points in that '88 Munster Final on a Kerry team in transition, he was only a few weeks over age for minor football that year. As a young player around that age his footballing brilliance and skill off either leg from the hand or from the ground was unprecedented. He simply belonged to another universe in terms of footballing brilliance. I don't believe we will see his kind again. On another thread someone recently posted up the result from the Kerry Cavan NFL in '98 played in NY. Maurice scored 1-10 out of 1-11 that evening. Therein lies the tale and begining of a questioning of Maurice the footballer, whch developed during '98 and with the Munster Final defeat of '99. By '99 the Kerry attack had ground to standstill. It have become totally dependent on everything going through Maurice and ultimately broke down. Paidi recognised this and went about rectifying it. Maurice became marginalised during '00 and '01 and had departed in '02. I don't believe any of the great Kerry forwards of the current era come anyway near Maurice in terms of possessing the complete footballling package to play in positions 8 to 15 in intercounty football. The '97 final was a celebration of Maurice the footballing genuis, it is a real shame he didn't arrive during either of the great Kerry times since '75. Football's lose, it is mind boggling to consider what he would have done on the forty between '75-'86 or '00-'12. That was in 1997. Rudy Giuliani threw the ball in. Cheers jo90, amended.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 30, 2013 18:44:11 GMT
I agree 100% Kerrygold, Maurice could have been a top player anywhere from 8-15. In his book Pat Spillane said that Maurice wouldn't have fitted into the Golden Years team because his style of play was too individual. I thought that was unfair. If he was individual it was because lesser mortals wanted to pass to him at all times as you say. Mayo with Ciaran MacDonald had the same tendency. They always looked to pass to him. Brian Lacey in 1998 and Mark O'Connor in 1999 curtailed Maurice. I still think that there was a lot of persistent fouling both days but it went unpunished. Spillane is a gas man, there was no more an individual player on the kerry team than Spillane himself at the time. A pass from Spillane was a collectors item. Seamus Moynihan was probably the defensive version of Maurice with his ability to play from no. 2 to no. 9.
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Post by veteran on Apr 30, 2013 18:45:08 GMT
As great as Maurice Fitzgerald was , I don't think he would have been a top notch midfielder. Yes, very likely, in certain games, for a certain period, he would make a satisfactory contribution there. However, for a championship campaign, as an out and out midfielder, I would be very dubious about his mobility and stamina. As far as I can recall, the only championship match when I saw him play a full game at midfield was in the 1990 Munster final where he made no impact. I think his opponent that today was Larry Tomkins who was top dog in that sector on that best forgotten occasion. I would be be happy out with him from ten to fifteen though!!
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Post by shannonsider on Apr 30, 2013 23:05:11 GMT
I agree 100% Kerrygold, Maurice could have been a top player anywhere from 8-15. In his book Pat Spillane said that Maurice wouldn't have fitted into the Golden Years team because his style of play was too individual. I thought that was unfair. If he was individual it was because lesser mortals wanted to pass to him at all times as you say. Mayo with Ciaran MacDonald had the same tendency. They always looked to pass to him. Brian Lacey in 1998 and Mark O'Connor in 1999 curtailed Maurice. I still think that there was a lot of persistent fouling both days but it went unpunished. It was Ronan McCarthy that marked him in 1999. One of only a few times I saw Maurice lose his cool. McCarthy pulled and dragged him all day and got away with it largely. That was one miserable day for a Kerry supporter on the City end. Declan O'Keeffe dropped a clanger for a goal at a vital stage and we ended up losing by 6. Was also famously the day Aodán MacGearailt scored 2 goals and was taken off!
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Post by kot on May 16, 2013 13:29:39 GMT
I agree 100% Kerrygold, Maurice could have been a top player anywhere from 8-15. In his book Pat Spillane said that Maurice wouldn't have fitted into the Golden Years team because his style of play was too individual. I thought that was unfair. If he was individual it was because lesser mortals wanted to pass to him at all times as you say. Mayo with Ciaran MacDonald had the same tendency. They always looked to pass to him. Brian Lacey in 1998 and Mark O'Connor in 1999 curtailed Maurice. I still think that there was a lot of persistent fouling both days but it went unpunished. It was Ronan McCarthy that marked him in 1999. One of only a few times I saw Maurice lose his cool. McCarthy pulled and dragged him all day and got away with it largely. That was one miserable day for a Kerry supporter on the City end. Declan O'Keeffe dropped a clanger for a goal at a vital stage and we ended up losing by 6. Was also famously the day Aodán MacGearailt scored 2 goals and was taken off! Walking out getting drowned like a rat listening to a langer who couldnt sing leading a chorus of "Banks of the Lee". . . dont remind me. . . . horrible day!
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Post by kerrygold on May 16, 2013 16:06:12 GMT
It is difficult to listen to a langer at the best of times.
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Post by scart on May 16, 2013 16:36:01 GMT
Was at the Cork championship match vs CIT last week, UCC missing a lot of players due to exams were very poor. JB Spillane had a fine game at midfield alongside young Keane from Legion. Cox started at full forward and had a nightmare, not for the first time in the Pairc..
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Post by delorean on May 17, 2013 9:57:39 GMT
Walking out getting drowned like a rat listening to a langer who couldnt sing leading a chorus of "Banks of the Lee". . . dont remind me. . . . horrible day! Our first Munster title since 95, why wouldn't he have an aul blasht! I remember Eamon Breen pucking the head off a skinny kid making his debut that day also, BJ O'Sullivan. Funny, the ref left that one go too.
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Post by hurlingman on May 17, 2013 10:20:25 GMT
Walking out getting drowned like a rat listening to a langer who couldnt sing leading a chorus of "Banks of the Lee". . . dont remind me. . . . horrible day! Our first Munster title since 95, why wouldn't he have an aul blasht! I remember Eamon Breen pucking the head off a skinny kid making his debut that day also, BJ O'Sullivan. Funny, the ref left that one go too. What ever happened to BJ O Sullivan?
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Post by hurlingman on May 17, 2013 10:20:55 GMT
Was at the Cork championship match vs CIT last week, UCC missing a lot of players due to exams were very poor. JB Spillane had a fine game at midfield alongside young Keane from Legion. Cox started at full forward and had a nightmare, not for the first time in the Pairc.. Was there many Kerry lads playing with CIT?
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