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Post by neil on Aug 13, 2006 0:49:50 GMT
I think it's fair to say that if we play to the best of out abilities we will beat if not hammer Cork. Fair play clancarre once again ye have shown your fantastic analysis once again, i seem to remember the same predictions before the munster final. I said IF we play to the best of our abilities, something we did NOT do in both munster final games. If you think that those 2 games were Kerry at their best you're delusional.
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Post by icon on Aug 13, 2006 20:47:08 GMT
starting or not sheehan is a major loss cork backs seem 2 b best unit this year can they cope with star can dara+co dominate break even should do will backs tighten up or are nos 3/6/ past it kerry by 4
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Post by Joxer on Aug 14, 2006 8:06:18 GMT
The backs are going to have to be a helluva lot tighter than they were against Cork in the Munster games. Sure they were better against Armagh but Cork are younger and hungrier.I think we'll do it but will need to turn in another top drawer performance. On the basis that the Armagh performance was an indication of us coming in to our stride rather than anything else, I think we'll come through with 3 or 4 pts to spare but its not going to be as easy as last year. This is a good cork team with a lot of potential and a big score to settle. Draw anyone???
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New Cork Full Forward v Kerry Post by Alan on Today at 11:41
It appears that Cork will be employing similar tactics to Kerry for the semi - direct ball to a big man at full forward.
Last week at training Cork tried Pierce O'Neill there. On Satrurday morning's session they called in a lad from Glanmire (and UCC) Michael Cussen and he did very well at full forward v Derek Kavanagh.
I should mention that Cussen is 6 foot 6 and is more known as a hurler in Cork as he was on the U 21 hurling team last year and the year before (at full forward). He came on at midfield for UCC v Kerry in the McGrath cup in Killarney earlier this year.
Will be interesting to see if this develops...
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Re: New Cork Full Forward v Kerry Post by ruralgaa on Today at 11:45
probably bought that cussen guy for kavanagh to get used to battling with someone of that height next weekend
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Re: New Cork Full Forward v Kerry Post by Timoleague on Today at 11:45
Can't see this being overly usefule - Pierce has been very good for Cork in ensuring they win ball at midfield. With him in there, you'd only have Nicholas M as a ball winner in midfield - any good team will kick- out away from Nicholas. Drafting in a hurler reminds me of the drafting of The Rock in 2002 - he's a much more accomplished athlete than Cussen and remember how that worked out.
Can't see Billy using these options unless things are going really badly for Cork.
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Post by animal on Aug 14, 2006 11:38:58 GMT
Yeah I'm sure its just prep for Kavanagh doubt they'll employ it on the day.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 14, 2006 11:41:33 GMT
I also agree that these aren't prospective tactics for Cork but practice for Kavanagh against a tall full-forward. Cork's key against Kerry in the replay was their midfield triangle of Murphy, Kavanagh and O'Neill and they've already taken one player out of that triangle so they definitely won't take two. Cussen is the Mike Quirke of Cork football i.e. looks good at club level because of his size but lacks that extra class needed to make it at intercounty level. However he's only around 22 so he could still make it. There's quite a few 6'6" footballers in Ireland but very few of them make intercounty standard as they usually lack mobility, co-ordination and have a tendency to develop back problems. Thanks for the info Alan though. It's good to know we've a spy in their camp. Have they been experimenting with Shields at full-back at all as I'm sure they're dying to get Kavanagh back in midfield if at all possible? There's a few forward positions up for grabs on the Cork team as well so I'm sure quite a few different combinations have been tried there as well? Any chance we could give you one of those dart blowing guns they use in the amazonian forest and you could take out James Masters?
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Post by buck02 on Aug 14, 2006 12:02:26 GMT
Change of plan for next Sunday.
Minor game on at 12.30 followed by Mayo/Laois at 2 pm with our game at 4pm.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 14, 2006 12:03:02 GMT
Ah Jo90 that isn't nice! Surely ye would perfer to beat Cork with a full team. We're already missing Canty so give us a break. Also, I hadn't heard anything about Cussen so I better do a bit of research. Mind you I'll keep it to myself.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 14, 2006 12:13:59 GMT
Am I reading this right...Mo v Ls and Ky v Ck is a double header. ?, if so where/when was this announced can't see anything on the usual news sites
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 14, 2006 12:17:26 GMT
Yes it is. It's on the official gaa website.
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Post by animal on Aug 14, 2006 13:35:17 GMT
Back to the match. Any reports on our lads? Apart from the obvious Mr Sheehan how are we fixed? Sean Sull came off the last day with a bit of a knock I think, any news?
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Post by Alan on Aug 14, 2006 15:42:58 GMT
I would n't do something as underhand as to take out James Masters - besides from experience those blow darts don't work on guys from Nemo!
Getting back to original point, I'm not so sure Cork are only experimenting with M Cussen operating at full forward in training. Granted it would be a huge risk but Billy Morgan has taken big risks before (Pierce O'Neill was brought in to play in a Munster Final after a good game on Anthony Lynch v Naomh Aban in the county championship.)
In all likelihood it wont be Cussen that will play but I do think they will try and adapt the style of play to try and get something out of their inside forwards.
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Post by kerryman on Aug 14, 2006 16:20:05 GMT
Just talked to a Cork fellah there. Aparetly Cussen has good hands but is awkward - he wouldn't be as able as Star to do damage.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 15, 2006 13:13:11 GMT
Lads, any chance you could actually discuss the game rather then throw muck at each other? What are the chances of another draw?
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Post by TheCritic on Aug 15, 2006 13:23:31 GMT
Well the only saving grace is that if by some shock we do lose to Cork, we will get to see them lose another AI final!! But on the other hand it will prob be the Dubs winning in that case!!! Which is worse??? On a serious note I do think we will beat Cork though. There realy wasn't much in it in the 2 Munster Finals, think we have improved more than Cork and the game is on in our REAL home ground!!!
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 15, 2006 13:28:01 GMT
Lads, any chance you could actually discuss the game rather then throw muck at each other? hear hear owenabue. what are your thoughts? are you confident?
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 15, 2006 13:39:41 GMT
I’m always confident, but that neither here nor there. I can’t see Cork folding under pressure like the semi-final last year. The team is more balanced this year then before and the few new young fellas have been a big help. Canty will be a loss, no point in denying that. Over all I would hope Cork would win, but I’m not putting my house on it. This year I think Cork and Kerry are more evenly matched. Of course I could about 10 miles off the mark, it’s just the feeling I get.
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Post by butchy on Aug 15, 2006 14:07:50 GMT
I don't think there's too much between Cork and Kerry either and a draw could be on the crads. 9/1 is a good price. I think whoever comes out on top Sunday will go on to lift sam. In my opinion Both Kerry and Cork are better the Dublin, Mayo or Laois.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 15, 2006 14:42:43 GMT
I've a good feeling about this one, based on the following:
Experience - this Kerry team are an experienced bunch of guys, they're playing in the 7th semi final in a row and most of these guys have played in Croke Park at least 15 times. Cork have a young inexperienced team (and maybe a fearless streak may benefit them) I always think that a bit of experience stands to you when you get to this stage.
Confidence - 7-26 scored in the last two games means that this team should be going into this game full of confidence. COntrast that to the mis-firing team that played Cork a few weeks back.
Motivation - I stated in an earlier thread that whether by accident or design, this Kerry team seem to have now adapted an "us v the world" attitude. The Kerry fans were against them, Cork deservedly beat them, the media wrote them off as has beens. Armagh have been cast aside and Tyrone are out. A big chance to regain the title is there.
Canty injury - a massive loss to Cork, both to the midfield (losing out on Kavanagh) and the full back line. If Gooch continues his upward curve in form Cork will be in trouble at the back without Canty.
All in all I predict a Kerry win (well I'll hardly say otherwise will I?). I think we'll score something in the region of a total of 17 or 18 points (1-14/1-15) and dont see Cork scoring that much. I think it'll be fairly close with 15 to go but can see Kerry pulling away near the end to win by 4 or 5 points.
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Post by mickthebridges on Aug 15, 2006 14:43:58 GMT
Id say that 'Owenabue' fellow is a Tyrone chap in disguise. Cant see Cork coming within 10 points of this Kerry team. Or Dublin either for that matter. My one worry would be Mayo as I think Mikey Moran had welded these lads together as a good football unit. Prediction. Kerry 3-15 Cork 0-10 Roll on the 3 in a row.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 15, 2006 14:45:29 GMT
Cheers for that Billy, I mean mickthebridges!
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 15, 2006 15:02:55 GMT
Id say that 'Owenabue' fellow is a Tyrone chap in disguise. Cant see Cork coming within 10 points of this Kerry team. Or Dublin either for that matter. My one worry would be Mayo as I think Mikey Moran had welded these lads together as a good football unit. Prediction. Kerry 3-15 Cork 0-10 Roll on the 3 in a row. I've been accused of worse I suppose I wouldn't say ten points. If ye're that good how did ye lose the Munster final? Is Donaghy that good?
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Post by twohands on Aug 15, 2006 15:44:45 GMT
Sure how are we going to score ten points with Masters in some Kerry fellas pocket along with a half eaten bag of apple drops and a John Deere catalogue?
I'm with Buck02 on this one. Look at the factors he cites and apply them to Cork:-
1. Experience. We can barely find Croke Park. We haven't played any big games in ages. The sooner they abolish the Munster championship and give us some real opposition to toughen us up for the challenges ahead the better.
2. Confidence. We are Cork. We are reknowned throughout the length and breadth of the country for not having any in our own ability.
3. Motivation. We have none. We won the Munster final and that was enough to be getting on with. All our fans love us. We are the darlings of the press (Joe Brolly and Martin McHugh are scratching each other's eyes out to be our mascot on Sunday). The Northern teams have been put to the sword. There is no further challenge worthy of our attention.
4. Canty injury. We'll try to play him on Sunday. Billy likes to gamble on the good leg. It will backfire. I'd put my house on it.
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Post by butchy on Aug 15, 2006 15:57:58 GMT
two hands I like that one. The smell of sarcasm out of that post would knock a horse !!
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 15, 2006 16:09:56 GMT
When is team been announced?
I think it will be practically the same team that started against Armagh. Only one spot up for question and that is the number 15 jersey.
3 players after it and only one will get it. Darren Sullivan and Decan O Sullivan made a good attempt at wrestling back Mike Frank's jersey when they came on. Not sure if the mangement will want to change a winning team though. Mike Frank i don't think he has done enough to keep the jersey but if we look back the worst of Mike Frank's performances have been against the Ulster teams. The games might from now on might be more open and more suitable to MFR. I don't think he is half the player he used to be but if he gets the nod best of luck to him and i hope he does the job
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2006 16:30:30 GMT
I've a good feeling about this one, based on the following: Experience - this Kerry team are an experienced bunch of guys, they're playing in the 7th semi final in a row and most of these guys have played in Croke Park at least 15 times. Cork have a young inexperienced team (and maybe a fearless streak may benefit them) I always think that a bit of experience stands to you when you get to this stage. Confidence - 7-26 scored in the last two games means that this team should be going into this game full of confidence. COntrast that to the mis-firing team that played Cork a few weeks back. Motivation - I stated in an earlier thread that whether by accident or design, this Kerry team seem to have now adapted an "us v the world" attitude. The Kerry fans were against them, Cork deservedly beat them, the media wrote them off as has beens. Armagh have been cast aside and Tyrone are out. A big chance to regain the title is there. Canty injury - a massive loss to Cork, both to the midfield (losing out on Kavanagh) and the full back line. If Gooch continues his upward curve in form Cork will be in trouble at the back without Canty. All in all I predict a Kerry win (well I'll hardly say otherwise will I?). I think we'll score something in the region of a total of 17 or 18 points (1-14/1-15) and dont see Cork scoring that much. I think it'll be fairly close with 15 to go but can see Kerry pulling away near the end to win by 4 or 5 points. i'd say you fairly on the ball there buck02.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2006 16:36:43 GMT
Id say that 'Owenabue' fellow is a Tyrone chap in disguise. Cant see Cork coming within 10 points of this Kerry team. Or Dublin either for that matter. My one worry would be Mayo as I think Mikey Moran had welded these lads together as a good football unit. Prediction. Kerry 3-15 Cork 0-10 Roll on the 3 in a row. I've been accused of worse I suppose I wouldn't say ten points. If ye're that good how did ye lose the Munster final? Is Donaghy that good? are they two genuine questions?
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 15, 2006 17:15:26 GMT
Is MFR doesn't start who will take the right footed frees?
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 15, 2006 17:30:15 GMT
There Sean Sullivan, he took 1 or 2 against Armagh from distance. Gooch?
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 15, 2006 18:37:24 GMT
Kerrygold, kind of I suppose! If Cork won by six in the Munster final and some posters are suggesting a 6 point win for Kerry. So if you think about it is losing Canty and Donaghy being in full forward the difference of 12 points? Honestly, I think ye have improved since then and after the game against Donegal you'd really be wondering if Cork could or have improved.
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