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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 8, 2006 22:11:55 GMT
Rumour has it Dinny Long has been seen training out in Banna with an eye to returning at midfield with Nicholas Murphy then moving to full back!
Lads, we're getting fairly carried away with this game. It doesn't take a genius to realise that Cork people read this site, as well as Kerry people and beyond. If Billy Morgan was to get word about this place, he'd print this thread off in a second and have it up on the walls for the next two weeks.
Cork should have beaten us out the door the first day. Cork absolutely hammered us out the gate the second day.
Granted, Masters was well shackled the last day, but apart from a decent second half on Saturday, the Kerry full back line has not been at full tilt this year. Masters gave a number of Kerry players two roastings, and a third in the league if I'm not mistaken. Not exactly confidence inspiring. Nicholas Murphy has had the equal of Darragh O'Se recently, and Spillane is causing big headaches for every team he comes up against. Cork have an incredible spirit about the team this year, have put more work in than any other intercounty team, and Billy hasn't been afraid to make changes when they are necessary.
Approaching Cork talking of Donaghy destroying whoever, or of Darragh O'Se being the best midfielder in Ireland etc are all worthless if Cork beat us on the day. We have to be realistic about things here boys and girl, and so far, we haven't.
Cork may have struggled to get past Donegal but that means they will be fired up to give an even better performance the next day. Armagh only beat Donegal by three points after Donegal had a mountain of wides. Donegal are a good, but inexperienced team. Cork will be better for that game and will love to put Kerry back in their box after the Armagh game. They will relish the chance to beat us twice in one year and will need zero motivation on top of that.
Be weary, be realistic in your comments. We know that talk of pastings and the like filter into the Kerry camp. If you know your football you'll know that Cork are a very real danger in two weeks time.
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Post by scout on Aug 9, 2006 7:46:51 GMT
whats this about a possibilty of the match being played in thurles !!
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Post by watchdahop on Aug 9, 2006 8:28:51 GMT
A Stacks post makes a lot of sense lads.
There seems to be a big tendency to get carried away about the Cork game. Cork were the better team clearly over the two previous games. They gave us a lot of trouble with their centre back midfield and centre forward. And Masters caused us all sorts of problems. I think Kerry have improved but we might be reading too much into the Armagh game. Make no mistake Cork are sitting pretty: they have had the better of the two games so far and they can still go in as under dogs. They also did a lot of homework before the Kerry games and their tactics worked out well. I expect a dour aggressive game between the two teams and there won't be much in it either way.
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Post by kerryman on Aug 9, 2006 8:46:10 GMT
Well said stacks. I agree 100%. I'm sick of people saying that we'll hammer Cork. A lot of the people who are saying it to me weren't at either the Munster final or the replay so don't know what they're on about.
We neglect the fact that Armagh were only 3 points down with 10 minutes to go. We neglect the fact that Kerry played out of their skins and have little room for improvement (barring maybe a couple of defenders) and that Cork are far far better than they showed against Donegal. They beat Donegal despite the fact that Masters was asleep for most of the game, scored little and was there only as a playmaker. Morgan is loving this. He has 2 weeks to get ready and listen to his team being played down while Kerry fans take this game as a warm up for the final.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 9, 2006 8:50:29 GMT
After reading Stacks and watchdahops posts I dont think I'll bother turning up!! If it takes a team to get motivated by sh1te thats written on an internet forum then I'd worry for them. But agreed with the general theme that people are getting a bit carried away after Saturday.
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Post by TheCritic on Aug 9, 2006 8:53:52 GMT
It's all well and good asking who will mark Donaghy, but what I'd would be worried about is who on the Kerry team is going to mark Murphy. I think he has proven that he is one of the top midfielders in the county. If he takes those trips up to our full back line I don't think he can be marked. He could cause a lot of trouble in there again! In saying that I don't think Cork will score enough to beat Kerry, but stranger things have happened!!!
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Post by baxter on Aug 9, 2006 9:26:11 GMT
a lot will depend on how diarmuid murphy's kickouts are the next day. He will have to vary them. And keep them away from Murphy. If we give Cork enough reasons to keep Murphy out the field then we wont have to worry about him strolling into full forward for a few assists!! Trouble is DAra is the best fielder we have, are there anyother players who could share the load with him, in fairnes to Tommy Griff he isnt great in the air, are Sean Sull and Eoin Bros capable of catching clean ball?!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2006 10:20:44 GMT
Take it handy their lads,dont be getting carried away,cork are always dangerous for kerry. If we go up to croker in the right frame of mind we will beat them.
start the same team,but swap marc and aidan.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 9, 2006 13:35:20 GMT
Billy Morgan was today named Manager of the Month for July. Congrats Billy. You deserve it.
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Post by noreenos on Aug 9, 2006 13:44:47 GMT
Hey Kerrygold.
Did you just write t swap Marc and Aidan! Have been suggesting that for a while with a couple of other lads in this forum. Maybe, there is something happening here. Would love to see Marc move forward to half-back. Anyone else agree with this?
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Post by TheCritic on Aug 9, 2006 13:47:02 GMT
After the points he scored on Sat I'd move him to corner forward instead of MFR or even the Gooch. He is a class act, pushing for player of the session in my books!!!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2006 13:47:37 GMT
spot on noreenos,i think he restricted in the corner and in time will become a great kerry centre back.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 9, 2006 14:26:22 GMT
I agree with all the above re Marc O Se but who better to mark James Masters. and if you can limit Masters you are severely blunting the Cork attack. I suppose Tom Sullivan is also a good man marker. I would consider putting Seamus back there, Mahony at centre back and Marc on the wing. I don't think Masters has the pace to trouble Seamus that much.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 9, 2006 15:12:37 GMT
Just to clarify, can somebody list all those who have marked Masters in the three league and championship games to date this year, both at the start and during the game?
Ta.
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Post by Boris on Aug 9, 2006 23:27:44 GMT
I think Derek Kavanagh is a very good full back and is more than capable of marking Donaghy.He destroyed John Crowley in Killarney a few years backs even though the rest of the Cork, defense was a shambles it didnt affect Kavanagh that day.He has been one of their best performers all year
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Post by KY50 on Aug 10, 2006 8:43:16 GMT
Looking at this game closely. Cork are better than Armagh from number 1 to 12. They are much faster and have a stronger 6,8,9,11 than Armagh. This will mean that we will not win as much possession against Cork. Make no mistake about it tis Cork team are a very good team and are probably delighted about our performance against Armagh. They are a battle hardned team and had the better of us twice already this year.
The last thing we want to see is Morgan dancing on the sidelines again with some of the Cork players and supporters mouthing off at our lads.Billy has also tried to depict us asa cynical team so as to get referee'son is side. He has being doing this all year and was probably the so called Armagh supporter that sent that text to the sunday game last week
We need to be in the right frame of mind like we were against Armagh to beat this lot. Our backs must also improve and we must win more breaking ball over the 70 mins if we are to be in with a shout
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Post by MrT on Aug 10, 2006 11:15:51 GMT
This semi is well set up for Cork. Kerry have half a decent game where they werent really out of it til d las few minutes, Cork played poorly but still won, yet every1 is on the bandwagon sayin we are guarenteed to get to the final, at the ways things stand at the moment Cork have nothing to loose, if they do loose to Kerry everyone will have said they would have lost anyway, so I think they are in a better position than us at the mo
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 11, 2006 12:14:43 GMT
The main reason i can't see us losing to cork is cork's firepower or rather lack of it. masters great skillful player but now with the grit between the backs teeth i can't him getting as much room.so if masters is only limited to a few points ican't see anyone else in the forward line by cork to stand up and take on the responsibility. remember marc o se had masters in his pocket but was switched to donie o connor as he was causing a bit of havoc on mike mccarthy in the replay. Donie o connor for all his shapes won't hurt the scoreboard too much either.
if the game turns out to be a shootout with lots of point scoring i say kerry will win with 5/6 points to spare. Corks best chance is to turn the game into a dogfight and turn the game to something like 11-10. Still think that even if the game turns into a low scoring affair kerry should have learned enough from the 2 previous encounters to come out on the right side.
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Post by kerryman on Aug 11, 2006 13:40:04 GMT
The main reason i can't see us losing to cork is cork's firepower or rather lack of it. masters great skillful player but now with the grit between the backs teeth i can't him getting as much room.so if masters is only limited to a few points ican't see anyone else in the forward line by cork to stand up and take on the responsibility. remember marc o se had masters in his pocket but was switched to donie o connor as he was causing a bit of havoc on mike mccarthy in the replay. Donie o connor for all his shapes won't hurt the scoreboard too much either. if the game turns out to be a shootout with lots of point scoring i say kerry will win with 5/6 points to spare. Corks best chance is to turn the game into a dogfight and turn the game to something like 11-10. Still think that even if the game turns into a low scoring affair kerry should have learned enough from the 2 previous encounters to come out on the right side. Steady on there. Tom Se, Tom Sullivan and Mike Mac aren't playing well as defenders at the moment. I would say our best backs to keep a man quiet at the moment are Aiden and Marc, the other 4 are having problems.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2006 14:05:40 GMT
Aidan Mahony was well beaten by Martin O Rourke for the first half hour last Saturday and was also poor against Cork in Cork so he'll know theres improvement in his displays required still. Marc is the best man marker for a player like Masters. Dont think Master will have a flawless day like the replay again this year but he'll still require close attention and Marc is the bezt man for that job.
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 11, 2006 14:33:42 GMT
I know our backs haven't been setting the world on fire but i still think that overall they should quench the cork firepower. Agree start marc on masters. i would also put tomas o se on sean o brien, o brien is getting rave reviews for his workrate but a smell of an ireland final in the nostrils of tomas should mean tomas would be good enough. Would be a good battle between the 2 but i would see tomas coming out on top in a game that matters. Also I have been a bit critical of Aidan in the past even when he is playig well he tends to make the odd one or 2 big mistakes but he went up in my estimation the last day. Those armagh fellas are built like tanks and aidan had a problem getting to grips with martin o rourke early on but by god did he come storming into the game and the only time we saw o rourke from then on was when he falling on his arse.
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Post by watchdahop on Aug 11, 2006 14:35:25 GMT
Masters played well in both games against us so far no question. However last weekend he was fairly nueltralised. He doesn't like too close a marker. Someone who gets in his face but without fouling.
Thats well known from the club scene in Cork. It also happened in the AI Club semi final against St Galls.
Good player but capable of being closely marked.
The other thing is if Kerry get some kind of a grip midfield that will limit the ball going in.
Same as happened against Armagh.
Flip side if Cork control midfield and Masters is given space he will do damage.
Corks problem also is if Masters doesn't score for them who will take up the slack?
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Post by Alan on Aug 11, 2006 15:06:34 GMT
I think there is a balance between being realistic and being negative about the match. The main thing to remember from the Munster Final and replay is that the Kerry forwards that lined out in those games suited the Cork backs down to the ground - Prout marking Darren O'Sulivan (both small and fast), Shields on Sheehan (too strong for sheehan), Canty marking Gooch (main target man against an excellent full back) and Spillane on Fitzmaurice (too fast for Fitzy). If Kerry start the same team as v Armagh on Sunday week the forward line has a much better balance in the match ups - Donaghy v Kavanagh, Gooch v O'Connor, Brosnan v Spillane, Sean O'Sull v Lynch. I don't want to get carried away or add to the hype about winning margins etc but I think we have a great chance - if you had asked after me leaving Pairc Ui chaoimh would u take a semi final meeting with Cork i would have jumped at it!
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Post by JOAN on Aug 11, 2006 15:44:51 GMT
I think this years semi meeting will be totally different than last year. Cork are a good team and will be up for the game. I watched them against Donegal and to be honest if Kerry can continue the current form I feel they will beat them but it wont be by 8 or 9 pt.
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Post by KY50 on Aug 11, 2006 20:07:58 GMT
A few points about Cork before we all get carred away. This will be a totally different game to last year
Cork have the meanest defence in the country
Only have conceded one goal in AI series 2006
They are a much stronger and faster team that Armagh
Cork have several players who would get on any team in the country, Canty, Lynch, Murphy, Masters, Spillane, O Connor to name but a few
They beat a fairly good Donegal team and stuck at it to the bitter end
They are well able to hit off the ball and are as cynical as any one of the Northern teams and a few others- (Drawn game in Killarney several incidents/ also replay) and are also quite good at the verbals (Billy trying to get attention away from his own team by having a blast at Kerry or anyone else for that matter)
Lets not underestimate them. They are really up for this one. They will do their best to rise a few of our lads and get them sent off. Hopefully there are a good set of umpires who will keep an eye on Mike frank and the Gooch. Cork have no Canty this time (A great player who plays the ball) so the others may be instructed to resort to whatever is needed.
We need to be tuned and at our best to get past this one
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Post by neil on Aug 11, 2006 21:59:12 GMT
I think what has been the most frustrating thing about this season for Kerry is which team will we get to see? I think it's fair to say that if we play to the best of out abilities we will beat if not hammer Cork. The only question that remains is our attitude.
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Post by clancarre on Aug 12, 2006 10:54:53 GMT
I'd stick with same starting fifteen, MFR provides options for other forwards. I can't see Kerry putting two epic performances back to back, they will get through by 2 or 3 points. Was Bryan Sheehan badly injured in Under 21 game. We are really stuck for a free taker without him.
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Post by pony on Aug 12, 2006 11:15:17 GMT
as far as i've heard its ligament damage to the ankle. looks like he is out for the rest of the c'ship. my big question is if he is out who will replace him on the panel? surley if he is out he will be replaced i wouldn't have dropped MFR anyway think he might be coming into form
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Post by leesidelegend on Aug 12, 2006 19:11:27 GMT
I think it's fair to say that if we play to the best of out abilities we will beat if not hammer Cork. Fair play clancarre once again ye have shown your fantastic analysis once again, i seem to remember the same predictions before the munster final.
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 12, 2006 20:02:48 GMT
THE GAME IS ANYONES ON SUNDAY, KERRY WANT TO GAIN REVENGE FOR BEEN HAMMERED BY CORK IN THE MUNSTER FINAL REPLAY, WHERE AS CORK WANT TO BEAT US AGAIN AND MAKE IT TO THE TWO FINALS, (DOUBLE ETC ETC ETC) WHAT WE REALLY REALLY REALLY NEED TO DO ON SUNDAY IS TO TRAVEL TO DUBLIN AND SUPPORT OUR TEAM, AND SUPPORT THEM IN VOICE AS WELL AS IN NUMBERS, THERE WAS MORE KERRY FANS THAN CORK AT THE MUNSTER FINAL IN KILLARNEY BUT ALL YOU COULD HEAR WAS "REBELS, REBELS REBELS" TRAVELLING FROM CORK WITH 3 CORK FANS SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL DO IT OTHERWISE THE TRIP BACK FROM DUBLIN IN THE CAR WILL BE PAINFUL, ESPECIALLY WHEN IVE TO DRIVE...................... AGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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